So many minorities in the government

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I worked in a DC Government agency back in the late 80s- early 90s. The head of the agency was a AA gentleman. It was widely known among caucasians that he preferred to hire other AA's. Many who had been trained in the field at his college, a historically black college.

After, I'd worked for several years, I did see that people getting promotions DID seem to be AA. Very qualified caucasians were passed over.

I could understand how life was rough for this head of the agency, but it didn't serve me well to stay there if I couldn't get promoted because I was some honky from the 'burbs.

So, I left and found another job.

I always felt they lost alot of talent that way.

who are you george jefferson?

G. Jefferson was black. Your analogy is stupid.

Not to the folks who understood that George Jefferson, A FICTIONAL TV CHARACTER, is the only one uses that word.
THAT WAS THE POINT!
In other words, people don't use that word.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's not racist to acknowledge that the government has hiring preferences for minorities. My husband, who has been a senior government employee, has been told multiple times that positions are reserved for women and minorities. Luckily, he is in the private sector and thriving well. When the government people contact him asking for suggestions for possible appointees, though, they now almost always specify they are seeking women and minorities. I am all for diversity, but this has really gone too far.

I am a federal employee (caucasian) and have worked for the Federal Government for twenty years. When we needed a new professional in my unit, we were always told first to look for a minority. Well, that was fine, but in my very specialized field, there aren't that many who applied for the jobs open.

I have also noted that when a problem employee, who is a minority (AA in both cases in my experience) is disruptive and/or a poor performer (drugging and getting drunk at work, leaves for very lengthy periods of time during the day leaving the work undone), we are encouraged NOT to take action. Essentially, I was told "don't go there" because the agency didn't want to deal with any sort of charge of discrimination. So, the offender was just allowed to continue the poor work habits and destructive behavior in the unit. Very demoralizing.

Does being a minority under the EEO laws give you the right to act like a fool?

In my agency, the problem employees that we want to get rid of (but can't) are older White males. Whenever you criticize them at all, the first thing they scream is age discrimination. These are the guys who sit in the cafeteria until 10:30, take two hour lunches and refuse to take order from their younger managers. So let's not act like it is just minorities acting a fool!!! There are poor employees of ALL races!!!!

That's not the law -- that's the weak ass management. I see this with folks of every color in a lot of private sector jobs. A lot of HR folk do not want to be bothered with firing anybody, dealing with any sort of "problem" employee. It's across the board, it just so happens in your case they use race as the excuse.

In my agency, the problem employees that we want to get rid of (but can't) are older White males. Whenever you criticize them at all, the first thing they scream is age discrimination. These are the guys who sit in the cafeteria until 10:30, take two hour lunches and refuse to take order from their younger managers. So let's not act like it is just minorities acting a fool!!! There are poor employees of ALL races!!!!

Based on your own logic, imagine what a manager is likely to do when facing a problematic minority AND older employee.

And then we are surprised there are not enough jobs for young people, or public funds to pay for lifelong pensions.

I think you missed my point. The PP (maybe you) was implying that minorities tend to be the poor employees. I was rebutting that with the example in my own agency. There are poor employees of ALL races and genders. I 100% agree that, at least in my agency, the problem is management.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I worked in a DC Government agency back in the late 80s- early 90s. The head of the agency was a AA gentleman. It was widely known among caucasians that he preferred to hire other AA's. Many who had been trained in the field at his college, a historically black college.

After, I'd worked for several years, I did see that people getting promotions DID seem to be AA. Very qualified caucasians were passed over.

I could understand how life was rough for this head of the agency, but it didn't serve me well to stay there if I couldn't get promoted because I was some honky from the 'burbs.

So, I left and found another job.

I always felt they lost alot of talent that way.

who are you george jefferson?

G. Jefferson was black. Your analogy is stupid.

Not to the folks who understood that George Jefferson, A FICTIONAL TV CHARACTER, is the only one uses that word.
THAT WAS THE POINT!
In other words, people don't use that word.

+1. I am 45YO AA woman and I have never heard anyone use that word in real life. LOL!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I worked in a DC Government agency back in the late 80s- early 90s. The head of the agency was a AA gentleman. It was widely known among caucasians that he preferred to hire other AA's. Many who had been trained in the field at his college, a historically black college.

After, I'd worked for several years, I did see that people getting promotions DID seem to be AA. Very qualified caucasians were passed over.

I could understand how life was rough for this head of the agency, but it didn't serve me well to stay there if I couldn't get promoted because I was some honky from the 'burbs.

So, I left and found another job.

I always felt they lost alot of talent that way.

Not to disparage your experience, but it was 25+ years ago and not necessarily a good reflection on what happens today.

[Anonymous]

Many minorities work in administrative roles in the government..think Human Resources.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I worked in a DC Government agency back in the late 80s- early 90s. The head of the agency was a AA gentleman. It was widely known among caucasians that he preferred to hire other AA's. Many who had been trained in the field at his college, a historically black college.

After, I'd worked for several years, I did see that people getting promotions DID seem to be AA. Very qualified caucasians were passed over.

I could understand how life was rough for this head of the agency, but it didn't serve me well to stay there if I couldn't get promoted because I was some honky from the 'burbs.

So, I left and found another job.

I always felt they lost alot of talent that way.

Not to disparage your experience, but it was 25+ years ago and not necessarily a good reflection on what happens today.

Especially in a Post-Fenty DC goverment.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's not racist to acknowledge that the government has hiring preferences for minorities. My husband, who has been a senior government employee, has been told multiple times that positions are reserved for women and minorities. Luckily, he is in the private sector and thriving well. When the government people contact him asking for suggestions for possible appointees, though, they now almost always specify they are seeking women and minorities. I am all for diversity, but this has really gone too far.

I am a federal employee (caucasian) and have worked for the Federal Government for twenty years. When we needed a new professional in my unit, we were always told first to look for a minority. Well, that was fine, but in my very specialized field, there aren't that many who applied for the jobs open.

I have also noted that when a problem employee, who is a minority (AA in both cases in my iexperience) is disruptive and/or a poor performer (drugging and getting drunk at work, leaves for very lengthy periods of time during the day leaving the work undone), we are encouraged NOT to take action. Essentially, I was told "don't go there" because the agency didn't want to deal with any sort of charge of discrimination. So, the offender was just allowed to continue the poor work habits and destructive behavior in the unit. Very demoralizing.

Does being a minority under the EEO laws give you the right to act like a fool?

This happens across the board. Your experience just happens to be two AAs. Please don't act as though Blacks are the only poor performers and the only ones who allege discriminatory and hostile work environments. I have had to entertain and defend EEO cases filed by a white man who claimed his white supervisors discriminated against him because of his national origin (Italian). I've had a complaint involving a white woman who once disciplined complained of sex and age discrimination. An American born Black man who complained that his Black supervisor only promoted Black Caribbean Americans. An Indian American man who alleged discrimination because of his race and national origin. He could not get promoted to a supervisory position because clients had a difficult time communicating with him.

The way your office handled poor performance is indicative of how ineffective the office operates. I am sure the two individuals you singled out were not the only poor performers. But, interesting enough, they are the only two you noticed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not racist to acknowledge that the government has hiring preferences for minorities. My husband, who has been a senior government employee, has been told multiple times that positions are reserved for women and minorities. Luckily, he is in the private sector and thriving well. When the government people contact him asking for suggestions for possible appointees, though, they now almost always specify they are seeking women and minorities. I am all for diversity, but this has really gone too far.

I am a federal employee (caucasian) and have worked for the Federal Government for twenty years. When we needed a new professional in my unit, we were always told first to look for a minority. Well, that was fine, but in my very specialized field, there aren't that many who applied for the jobs open.

I have also noted that when a problem employee, who is a minority (AA in both cases in my iexperience) is disruptive and/or a poor performer (drugging and getting drunk at work, leaves for very lengthy periods of time during the day leaving the work undone), we are encouraged NOT to take action. Essentially, I was told "don't go there" because the agency didn't want to deal with any sort of charge of discrimination. So, the offender was just allowed to continue the poor work habits and destructive behavior in the unit. Very demoralizing.

Does being a minority under the EEO laws give you the right to act like a fool?

This happens across the board. Your experience just happens to be two AAs. Please don't act as though Blacks are the only poor performers and the only ones who allege discriminatory and hostile work environments. I have had to entertain and defend EEO cases filed by a white man who claimed his white supervisors discriminated against him because of his national origin (Italian). I've had a complaint involving a white woman who once disciplined complained of sex and age discrimination. An American born Black man who complained that his Black supervisor only promoted Black Caribbean Americans. An Indian American man who alleged discrimination because of his race and national origin. He could not get promoted to a supervisory position because clients had a difficult time communicating with him.

The way your office handled poor performance is indicative of how ineffective the office operates. I am sure the two individuals you singled out were not the only poor performers. But, interesting enough, they are the only two you noticed.

What portion of the claims you defend are brought by white men? By white people regardless of gender?. By African Americans? By Asians

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I worked in a DC Government agency back in the late 80s- early 90s. The head of the agency was a AA gentleman. It was widely known among caucasians that he preferred to hire other AA's. Many who had been trained in the field at his college, a historically black college.

After, I'd worked for several years, I did see that people getting promotions DID seem to be AA. Very qualified caucasians were passed over.

I could understand how life was rough for this head of the agency, but it didn't serve me well to stay there if I couldn't get promoted because I was some honky from the 'burbs.

So, I left and found another job.

I always felt they lost alot of talent that way.

who are you george jefferson?

G. Jefferson was black. Your analogy is stupid.

Not to the folks who understood that George Jefferson, A FICTIONAL TV CHARACTER, is the only one uses that word.
THAT WAS THE POINT!
In other words, people don't use that word.

+1. I am 45YO AA woman and I have never heard anyone use that word in real life. LOL!

Macklemore... But he is white.. That's a cool ass honkey

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I worked in a DC Government agency back in the late 80s- early 90s. The head of the agency was a AA gentleman. It was widely known among caucasians that he preferred to hire other AA's. Many who had been trained in the field at his college, a historically black college.

After, I'd worked for several years, I did see that people getting promotions DID seem to be AA. Very qualified caucasians were passed over.

I could understand how life was rough for this head of the agency, but it didn't serve me well to stay there if I couldn't get promoted because I was some honky from the 'burbs.

So, I left and found another job.

I always felt they lost alot of talent that way.

who are you george jefferson?

G. Jefferson was black. Your analogy is stupid.

Not to the folks who understood that George Jefferson, A FICTIONAL TV CHARACTER, is the only one uses that word.
THAT WAS THE POINT!
In other words, people don't use that word.

yeah, yeah - I got it.

It's still a stupid comparison.

This HONKY is moving on up and OUT.

later!

[Anonymous]

I interned at the EPA in the 90s (long time ago I know). Almost all of the support staff was black. As a general rule, they did nothing all day. If you asked them to fax or fed ex something, they looked like you like you had two heads. Now, that said, the lawyers worked their asses off (and were very diverse, all races and religions), so this is not a racial thing but an employment/union thing. It was pathetic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I worked in a DC Government agency back in the late 80s- early 90s. The head of the agency was a AA gentleman. It was widely known among caucasians that he preferred to hire other AA's. Many who had been trained in the field at his college, a historically black college.

After, I'd worked for several years, I did see that people getting promotions DID seem to be AA. Very qualified caucasians were passed over.

I could understand how life was rough for this head of the agency, but it didn't serve me well to stay there if I couldn't get promoted because I was some honky from the 'burbs.

So, I left and found another job.

I always felt they lost alot of talent that way.

who are you george jefferson?

G. Jefferson was black. Your analogy is stupid.

Not to the folks who understood that George Jefferson, A FICTIONAL TV CHARACTER, is the only one uses that word.
THAT WAS THE POINT!
In other words, people don't use that word.

LOL, DCUM never disappoints. The whole convo is funny.

[Anonymous]

OP, are you also concerned that there are too many minorities at your waterpark? Because that South Park episode was all that I could think of upon seeing the ridiculous title of your post.

[Anonymous]

If honky is not used, is cracker the right term?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, are you also concerned that there are too many minorities at your waterpark? Because that South Park episode was all that I could think of upon seeing the ridiculous title of your post.

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