Which neighborhoods to avoid in NoVa?

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I think Pimmit Hills loses because, in my opinion, it's one of the ugliest neighborhoods in the region, the congestion around Tysons is horrible, and the schools aren't among the county's best. I'd live in numerous neighborhoods in 22041 or 22042 before I'd ever consider Pimmit Hills.

So you are someone who values neighborhood aesthetics above other factors. There is nothing wrong with acknowledging this; you like what you like. Generally, people appreciate good-looking neighborhoods but not to the exclusion of everything else, certainly not the inferior schools. The congestion around Tyson's doesn't affect PH unless you work in Tyson's, and if you do, then your commute to Tyson's from PH, as congested as it is, is way shorter than from anywhere else. There are better schools in Ffx county than PH but they are found in generally more expensive areas, and people who can afford McLean or FCC don't usually choose PH.

I don't think I'm such an outlier. I see that when homes over $750,000 go on the market in PH, they don't sell very quickly. I can find many more sales in Lake Barcroft or Falls Hill in that price range. They are far nicer neighborhoods, and everyone knows that except for a handful of PH people who live in some parallel universe where PH is considered desirable.

Again, there is no universal definition of "nice." Many factors determine how attractive a neighborhood is, aesthetics is only one of them. Certainly, people with 800K+ to spend don't need to look in PH. I would say, with all my kindness, that if you dismiss the whole market of people with less than 750-800K to spend, then I'm not the one who lives in parallel universe. There are families out there with only 500K to spend on housing, and sometimes less.

I do think there was a number of 750K+ sales in PH. Let me look at what I know:

http://www.redfin.com/VA/Falls-Church/1818-Pimmit-Dr-22043/home/9396667
http://www.redfin.com/VA/Falls-Church/1947-Fay-Pl-22043/home/9471185
http://www.redfin.com/VA/Falls-Church/2046-Arch-Dr-22043/home/9471752
http://www.redfin.com/VA/Falls-Church/7303-Pimmit-Ct-22043/home/9472566
http://www.redfin.com/VA/Falls-Church/2108-Pimmit-Dr-22043/home/9472002








, but that doesn't

Our budget was a new home below a million and we looked at ph. We weren't only ones because those homes had multiple offers. Above a million people start looking at McLean but there aren't any neew homes lower than 1.2 million in McLean anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is a listing for a home in holmes run.

It reminds me of the homes that used to be built in pimmit hills or are teardowns

http://www.redfin.com/VA/Falls-Church/3316-Pathway-Ct-22042/home/9627313

LOL. That would still be one of the nicest properties in Pimmit Hills.

Doubtful, there are many new homes that are pretty nice in pimmit hills, there is even a nice 1.3 million dollar listing.

No takers on the $1.3M listing. Who wants to pay that sort of money to live in Pimmit Hills?

The builder offering the house on Cherri for $930K has dropped its price almost $50K, but ther'es no contract. The all-vinyl house on Howard has been on the market four months and is now listed for under $700K, but again no contract.

The market is speaking. People are avoiding Pimmit Hills.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is a listing for a home in holmes run.

It reminds me of the homes that used to be built in pimmit hills or are teardowns

http://www.redfin.com/VA/Falls-Church/3316-Pathway-Ct-22042/home/9627313

LOL. That would still be one of the nicest properties in Pimmit Hills.

Doubtful, there are many new homes that are pretty nice in pimmit hills, there is even a nice 1.3 million dollar listing.

No takers on the $1.3M listing. Who wants to pay that sort of money to live in Pimmit Hills?

The builder offering the house on Cherri for $930K has dropped its price almost $50K, but ther'es no contract. The all-vinyl house on Howard has been on the market four months and is now listed for under $700K, but again no contract.

The market is speaking. People are avoiding Pimmit Hills.

Then how do you explain the links posted below to sales that have closed, many with multiple offers and within days? Certainly, there are properties in any neighborhoods that drag, that doesn't mean they are typical.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here is a listing for a home in holmes run.

It reminds me of the homes that used to be built in pimmit hills or are teardowns

http://www.redfin.com/VA/Falls-Church/3316-Pathway-Ct-22042/home/9627313

LOL. That would still be one of the nicest properties in Pimmit Hills.

Doubtful, there are many new homes that are pretty nice in pimmit hills, there is even a nice 1.3 million dollar listing.

No takers on the $1.3M listing. Who wants to pay that sort of money to live in Pimmit Hills?

The builder offering the house on Cherri for $930K has dropped its price almost $50K, but ther'es no contract. The all-vinyl house on Howard has been on the market four months and is now listed for under $700K, but again no contract.

The market is speaking. People are avoiding Pimmit Hills.

You have ignored all other sales but keep it up you are making an ass of yourself. It's quite entertaining.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here is a listing for a home in holmes run.

It reminds me of the homes that used to be built in pimmit hills or are teardowns

http://www.redfin.com/VA/Falls-Church/3316-Pathway-Ct-22042/home/9627313

LOL. That would still be one of the nicest properties in Pimmit Hills.

Doubtful, there are many new homes that are pretty nice in pimmit hills, there is even a nice 1.3 million dollar listing.

No takers on the $1.3M listing. Who wants to pay that sort of money to live in Pimmit Hills?

The builder offering the house on Cherri for $930K has dropped its price almost $50K, but ther'es no contract. The all-vinyl house on Howard has been on the market four months and is now listed for under $700K, but again no contract.

The market is speaking. People are avoiding Pimmit Hills.

Not to give away anything but the builder on cherri is building a much smaller home than the typical new build in PH. The howard listing was too high (there is an exact house like that which sold for 699 immediately). The 1.3 in ph is high but is very large.

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Anonymous wrote:Falls Church City (22046) is for all intents and purposes about as close to DC as North Arlington and its schools are well regarded. It's so small there is only one high school, but make sure you are in the city boundaries. The rest of Falls Church (referred to as just "Falls Church") is within Fairfax County and the schools are good, but not as good.

Falls Church is the city. Those who refer to Skyline and Baileys Crossroads and other parts of Fairfax County as "Falls Church" are (a) the Postal Service and (b) people who enjoy being wrong.

My mail is delivered to my house in Falls Church, VA. How else do you suggest I refer to where I live?

22041 here, +1

7 corners or bailey's crossroads.

I don't live anywhere near 7 corners of Bailey's Crossroads. There's really no other way to describe where I live other than Falls Church, which -- I repeat -- IS MY MAILING ADDRESS. I'm not sure why you think you're so much smarter than the post office.

PP, ignore this idiot. I moved to Fairfax as a very young kid in 1976 and have lived in Fairfax or Arlington most of my adult life. Everyone who is from around here has always called your part of Fairfax County Falls Church, and when necessary we say "City of Falls Church" to make the distinction.

Then again, this person probably calls the airport "Reagan," ugh.

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Anonymous wrote:Falls Church City (22046) is for all intents and purposes about as close to DC as North Arlington and its schools are well regarded. It's so small there is only one high school, but make sure you are in the city boundaries. The rest of Falls Church (referred to as just "Falls Church") is within Fairfax County and the schools are good, but not as good.

Falls Church is the city. Those who refer to Skyline and Baileys Crossroads and other parts of Fairfax County as "Falls Church" are (a) the Postal Service and (b) people who enjoy being wrong.

My mail is delivered to my house in Falls Church, VA. How else do you suggest I refer to where I live?

22041 here, +1

7 corners or bailey's crossroads.

I don't live anywhere near 7 corners of Bailey's Crossroads. There's really no other way to describe where I live other than Falls Church, which -- I repeat -- IS MY MAILING ADDRESS. I'm not sure why you think you're so much smarter than the post office.

PP, ignore this idiot. I moved to Fairfax as a very young kid in 1976 and have lived in Fairfax or Arlington most of my adult life. Everyone who is from around here has always called your part of Fairfax County Falls Church, and when necessary we say "City of Falls Church" to make the distinction.

Then again, this person probably calls the airport "Reagan," ugh.

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Sales over $800K in 22041 since beginning of 2013 - 14
Sales over $800K in 22042 since beginning of 2013 - 10
Sales over $800K in 22044 since beginning of 2013 - 14
Sales over $800K in Pimmit Hills since beginning of 2013 - 5

So the number of $800K sales in the supposedly crappy areas of Falls Church is almost eight times greater than in Pimmit Hills.

I know, the DIYers are buying old homes in Pimmit Hills for $450K and building million-dollar homes. That mostly look like total shit.

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Anonymous wrote:Sales over $800K in 22041 since beginning of 2013 - 14
Sales over $800K in 22042 since beginning of 2013 - 10
Sales over $800K in 22044 since beginning of 2013 - 14
Sales over $800K in Pimmit Hills since beginning of 2013 - 5

So the number of $800K sales in the supposedly crappy areas of Falls Church is almost eight times greater than in Pimmit Hills.

I know, the DIYers are buying old homes in Pimmit Hills for $450K and building million-dollar homes. That mostly look like total shit.

Let me explain to you why your argument is statistically illiterate.

Statistics don't measure aesthetics so the "look like total shit" argument could just as easily apply to other areas you mention.

Second, you are comparing sales in entire zipcodes to sales in one neighborhood of 22043. If you expand the PH statistics to cover the whole of 22043, things would look very different, won't they.

Third, no one argues that other areas have no 800K+ sales, or that PH has them all. Price is not the only factor that determines the appeal of the neighborhood, and neither is aesthetics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sales over $800K in 22041 since beginning of 2013 - 14
Sales over $800K in 22042 since beginning of 2013 - 10
Sales over $800K in 22044 since beginning of 2013 - 14
Sales over $800K in Pimmit Hills since beginning of 2013 - 5

So the number of $800K sales in the supposedly crappy areas of Falls Church is almost eight times greater than in Pimmit Hills.

I know, the DIYers are buying old homes in Pimmit Hills for $450K and building million-dollar homes. That mostly look like total shit.

You do realize that pimmit hills is a neighrborhood with in 22043?

22042 is 5 times bigger than Pimmit Hills
22044 is 3 times bigger than Pimmit Hills

There are no DIY, fairfax county would not approve them. There is no difference in the approval process for a new home in pimmit hills vs Mclean, The new homes in PH that are owner built typically work with Stanley Martin, reelhomes, NDI or ANV. I can pull up those plans if you are interested.

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Anonymous wrote:Sales over $800K in 22041 since beginning of 2013 - 14
Sales over $800K in 22042 since beginning of 2013 - 10
Sales over $800K in 22044 since beginning of 2013 - 14
Sales over $800K in Pimmit Hills since beginning of 2013 - 5

So the number of $800K sales in the supposedly crappy areas of Falls Church is almost eight times greater than in Pimmit Hills.

I know, the DIYers are buying old homes in Pimmit Hills for $450K and building million-dollar homes. That mostly look like total shit.

I just pulled the stats and there have been 8 homes sold for above 800k in Pimmit Hills since 3/31/2013.

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Anonymous wrote:Sales over $800K in 22041 since beginning of 2013 - 14
Sales over $800K in 22042 since beginning of 2013 - 10
Sales over $800K in 22044 since beginning of 2013 - 14
Sales over $800K in Pimmit Hills since beginning of 2013 - 5

So the number of $800K sales in the supposedly crappy areas of Falls Church is almost eight times greater than in Pimmit Hills.

I know, the DIYers are buying old homes in Pimmit Hills for $450K and building million-dollar homes. That mostly look like total shit.

Let me explain to you why your argument is statistically illiterate.

Statistics don't measure aesthetics so the "look like total shit" argument could just as easily apply to other areas you mention.

Second, you are comparing sales in entire zipcodes to sales in one neighborhood of 22043. If you expand the PH statistics to cover the whole of 22043, things would look very different, won't they.

Third, no one argues that other areas have no 800K+ sales, or that PH has them all. Price is not the only factor that determines the appeal of the neighborhood, and neither is aesthetics.

Blah, blah, blah.

If a neighborhood is as ugly as Pimmit Hills - and is horrible, full of shacks being milked for every last dollar of rental income, chain-link fences, homes with three or four trucks parked in a driveway, and some of the ugliest McMansions you'll ever see - I don't look any further. Pimmit Hills is a residential no-man's land, definitely a place to be avoided just like Hybla Valley, Culmore, and the trailer park section of Chantilly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sales over $800K in 22041 since beginning of 2013 - 14
Sales over $800K in 22042 since beginning of 2013 - 10
Sales over $800K in 22044 since beginning of 2013 - 14
Sales over $800K in Pimmit Hills since beginning of 2013 - 5

So the number of $800K sales in the supposedly crappy areas of Falls Church is almost eight times greater than in Pimmit Hills.

I know, the DIYers are buying old homes in Pimmit Hills for $450K and building million-dollar homes. That mostly look like total shit.

Let me explain to you why your argument is statistically illiterate.

Statistics don't measure aesthetics so the "look like total shit" argument could just as easily apply to other areas you mention.

Second, you are comparing sales in entire zipcodes to sales in one neighborhood of 22043. If you expand the PH statistics to cover the whole of 22043, things would look very different, won't they.

Third, no one argues that other areas have no 800K+ sales, or that PH has them all. Price is not the only factor that determines the appeal of the neighborhood, and neither is aesthetics.

Blah, blah, blah.

If a neighborhood is as ugly as Pimmit Hills - and is horrible, full of shacks being milked for every last dollar of rental income, chain-link fences, homes with three or four trucks parked in a driveway, and some of the ugliest McMansions you'll ever see - I don't look any further. Pimmit Hills is a residential no-man's land, definitely a place to be avoided just like Hybla Valley, Culmore, and the trailer park section of Chantilly.

I don't think you have been to the neighborhood in over 30 years

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sales over $800K in 22041 since beginning of 2013 - 14
Sales over $800K in 22042 since beginning of 2013 - 10
Sales over $800K in 22044 since beginning of 2013 - 14
Sales over $800K in Pimmit Hills since beginning of 2013 - 5

So the number of $800K sales in the supposedly crappy areas of Falls Church is almost eight times greater than in Pimmit Hills.

I know, the DIYers are buying old homes in Pimmit Hills for $450K and building million-dollar homes. That mostly look like total shit.

I just pulled the stats and there have been 8 homes sold for above 800k in Pimmit Hills since 3/31/2013.

That would only be the case if the homes weren't identified as being in Pimmit Hills when listed/sold, which is perhaps understandible.

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There are no DIY, fairfax county would not approve them. There is no difference in the approval process for a new home in pimmit hills vs Mclean, The new homes in PH that are owner built typically work with Stanley Martin, reelhomes, NDI or ANV. I can pull up those plans if you are interested.

We were not talking about McLean. We are talking about the fact that Pimmit Hills is far uglier and has fewer expensive sales than many other parts of Falls Church in 22041, 22042 and 22044.