Which neighborhoods to avoid in NoVa?

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Anonymous wrote:Falls Church City (22046) is for all intents and purposes about as close to DC as North Arlington and its schools are well regarded. It's so small there is only one high school, but make sure you are in the city boundaries. The rest of Falls Church (referred to as just "Falls Church") is within Fairfax County and the schools are good, but not as good.

Falls Church is the city. Those who refer to Skyline and Baileys Crossroads and other parts of Fairfax County as "Falls Church" are (a) the Postal Service and (b) people who enjoy being wrong.

My mail is delivered to my house in Falls Church, VA. How else do you suggest I refer to where I live?

22041 here, +1

7 corners or bailey's crossroads.

I don't live anywhere near 7 corners of Bailey's Crossroads. There's really no other way to describe where I live other than Falls Church, which -- I repeat -- IS MY MAILING ADDRESS. I'm not sure why you think you're so much smarter than the post office.

PP, ignore this idiot. I moved to Fairfax as a very young kid in 1976 and have lived in Fairfax or Arlington most of my adult life. Everyone who is from around here has always called your part of Fairfax County Falls Church, and when necessary we say "City of Falls Church" to make the distinction.

Then again, this person probably calls the airport "Reagan," ugh.

I am an expert. I lived in Bailey Crossroads, I attended Bailey's Elementary school, and Lived in Culmore (oh yea baby!) and it always was at least since the early 1980s's, always has been Falls Church. Period.

[Anonymous]

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There are no DIY, fairfax county would not approve them. There is no difference in the approval process for a new home in pimmit hills vs Mclean, The new homes in PH that are owner built typically work with Stanley Martin, reelhomes, NDI or ANV. I can pull up those plans if you are interested.

We were not talking about McLean. We are talking about the fact that Pimmit Hills is far uglier and has fewer expensive sales than many other parts of Falls Church in 22041, 22042 and 22044.

Your use of statistics is laughable and completely wrong.

[Anonymous]

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There are no DIY, fairfax county would not approve them. There is no difference in the approval process for a new home in pimmit hills vs Mclean, The new homes in PH that are owner built typically work with Stanley Martin, reelhomes, NDI or ANV. I can pull up those plans if you are interested.

We were not talking about McLean. We are talking about the fact that Pimmit Hills is far uglier and has fewer expensive sales than many other parts of Falls Church in 22041, 22042 and 22044.

Has anyone argued that PH is the most expensive place or the most beautiful place in Falls Church? Why are you pursuing the argument that no one has made so far?

Secondly, you have not addressed the problem that you are comparing stats from zipcodes to stats from one section of a 22043 zipcode. You aren't comparing apples to apples. Why?

[Anonymous]

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There are no DIY, fairfax county would not approve them. There is no difference in the approval process for a new home in pimmit hills vs Mclean, The new homes in PH that are owner built typically work with Stanley Martin, reelhomes, NDI or ANV. I can pull up those plans if you are interested.

We were not talking about McLean. We are talking about the fact that Pimmit Hills is far uglier and has fewer expensive sales than many other parts of Falls Church in 22041, 22042 and 22044.

Your use of statistics is laughable and completely wrong.

If all of 22043 was like Pimmit Hills, it would be considered the least desirable zip code with a Falls Church address, by a large margin.

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There are no DIY, fairfax county would not approve them. There is no difference in the approval process for a new home in pimmit hills vs Mclean, The new homes in PH that are owner built typically work with Stanley Martin, reelhomes, NDI or ANV. I can pull up those plans if you are interested.

We were not talking about McLean. We are talking about the fact that Pimmit Hills is far uglier and has fewer expensive sales than many other parts of Falls Church in 22041, 22042 and 22044.

Your use of statistics is laughable and completely wrong.

If all of 22043 was like Pimmit Hills, it would be considered the least desirable zip code with a Falls Church address, by a large margin.

I like your arguments they are very good, are you a lawyer?

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Anonymous wrote:Sales over $800K in 22041 since beginning of 2013 - 14
Sales over $800K in 22042 since beginning of 2013 - 10
Sales over $800K in 22044 since beginning of 2013 - 14
Sales over $800K in Pimmit Hills since beginning of 2013 - 5

So the number of $800K sales in the supposedly crappy areas of Falls Church is almost eight times greater than in Pimmit Hills.

I know, the DIYers are buying old homes in Pimmit Hills for $450K and building million-dollar homes. That mostly look like total shit.

Let me explain to you why your argument is statistically illiterate.

Statistics don't measure aesthetics so the "look like total shit" argument could just as easily apply to other areas you mention.

Second, you are comparing sales in entire zipcodes to sales in one neighborhood of 22043. If you expand the PH statistics to cover the whole of 22043, things would look very different, won't they.

Third, no one argues that other areas have no 800K+ sales, or that PH has them all. Price is not the only factor that determines the appeal of the neighborhood, and neither is aesthetics.

Blah, blah, blah.

If a neighborhood is as ugly as Pimmit Hills - and is horrible, full of shacks being milked for every last dollar of rental income, chain-link fences, homes with three or four trucks parked in a driveway, and some of the ugliest McMansions you'll ever see - I don't look any further. Pimmit Hills is a residential no-man's land, definitely a place to be avoided just like Hybla Valley, Culmore, and the trailer park section of Chantilly.

"Blah blah blah"? I've tried to keep this exchange very calm and fact-based, but you seem to have a weird amount of emotion for a place you don't like. Why is that?

I think we've established that you don't like PH beyond a reasonable doubt. But your dislike of it isn't a fact or a number, it's an opinion of a single person. The market data in PH doesn't support your claim that it's a no-man's land. You are free not to like it, no one would argue with your feelings. But don't get mad when people post fact-based objections in response to your claims that PH's market is stagnant (it isn't), its schools are bad (they aren't), that houses above 750K don't sell (they do) or that people avoid it (they don't). You are free to dislike it all you want. But when you post things that aren't factually true, people will rebut you, and not all of them will do it as calmly as I'm doing it now.

[Anonymous]

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There are no DIY, fairfax county would not approve them. There is no difference in the approval process for a new home in pimmit hills vs Mclean, The new homes in PH that are owner built typically work with Stanley Martin, reelhomes, NDI or ANV. I can pull up those plans if you are interested.

We were not talking about McLean. We are talking about the fact that Pimmit Hills is far uglier and has fewer expensive sales than many other parts of Falls Church in 22041, 22042 and 22044.

Your use of statistics is laughable and completely wrong.

If all of 22043 was like Pimmit Hills, it would be considered the least desirable zip code with a Falls Church address, by a large margin.

No dear, the schools would still float it.

[Anonymous]

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There are no DIY, fairfax county would not approve them. There is no difference in the approval process for a new home in pimmit hills vs Mclean, The new homes in PH that are owner built typically work with Stanley Martin, reelhomes, NDI or ANV. I can pull up those plans if you are interested.

We were not talking about McLean. We are talking about the fact that Pimmit Hills is far uglier and has fewer expensive sales than many other parts of Falls Church in 22041, 22042 and 22044.

Your use of statistics is laughable and completely wrong.

If all of 22043 was like Pimmit Hills, it would be considered the least desirable zip code with a Falls Church address, by a large margin.

No dear, the schools would still float it.

No, it would drag down the schools even more than it does already.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sales over $800K in 22041 since beginning of 2013 - 14
Sales over $800K in 22042 since beginning of 2013 - 10
Sales over $800K in 22044 since beginning of 2013 - 14
Sales over $800K in Pimmit Hills since beginning of 2013 - 5

So the number of $800K sales in the supposedly crappy areas of Falls Church is almost eight times greater than in Pimmit Hills.

I know, the DIYers are buying old homes in Pimmit Hills for $450K and building million-dollar homes. That mostly look like total shit.

Let me explain to you why your argument is statistically illiterate.

Statistics don't measure aesthetics so the "look like total shit" argument could just as easily apply to other areas you mention.

Second, you are comparing sales in entire zipcodes to sales in one neighborhood of 22043. If you expand the PH statistics to cover the whole of 22043, things would look very different, won't they.

Third, no one argues that other areas have no 800K+ sales, or that PH has them all. Price is not the only factor that determines the appeal of the neighborhood, and neither is aesthetics.

Blah, blah, blah.

If a neighborhood is as ugly as Pimmit Hills - and is horrible, full of shacks being milked for every last dollar of rental income, chain-link fences, homes with three or four trucks parked in a driveway, and some of the ugliest McMansions you'll ever see - I don't look any further. Pimmit Hills is a residential no-man's land, definitely a place to be avoided just like Hybla Valley, Culmore, and the trailer park section of Chantilly.

[Anonymous]

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There are no DIY, fairfax county would not approve them. There is no difference in the approval process for a new home in pimmit hills vs Mclean, The new homes in PH that are owner built typically work with Stanley Martin, reelhomes, NDI or ANV. I can pull up those plans if you are interested.

We were not talking about McLean. We are talking about the fact that Pimmit Hills is far uglier and has fewer expensive sales than many other parts of Falls Church in 22041, 22042 and 22044.

Your use of statistics is laughable and completely wrong.

If all of 22043 was like Pimmit Hills, it would be considered the least desirable zip code with a Falls Church address, by a large margin.

PH isn't all of 22043. Post a zipcode-to-zipcode comparison. Or, if you think that PH is the worst of 22043, post a comparison of worst-of-22041, 22042 and 22044 to PH. Don't forget to include the schools info.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sales over $800K in 22041 since beginning of 2013 - 14
Sales over $800K in 22042 since beginning of 2013 - 10
Sales over $800K in 22044 since beginning of 2013 - 14
Sales over $800K in Pimmit Hills since beginning of 2013 - 5

So the number of $800K sales in the supposedly crappy areas of Falls Church is almost eight times greater than in Pimmit Hills.

I know, the DIYers are buying old homes in Pimmit Hills for $450K and building million-dollar homes. That mostly look like total shit.

Let me explain to you why your argument is statistically illiterate.

Statistics don't measure aesthetics so the "look like total shit" argument could just as easily apply to other areas you mention.

Second, you are comparing sales in entire zipcodes to sales in one neighborhood of 22043. If you expand the PH statistics to cover the whole of 22043, things would look very different, won't they.

Third, no one argues that other areas have no 800K+ sales, or that PH has them all. Price is not the only factor that determines the appeal of the neighborhood, and neither is aesthetics.

Blah, blah, blah.

If a neighborhood is as ugly as Pimmit Hills - and is horrible, full of shacks being milked for every last dollar of rental income, chain-link fences, homes with three or four trucks parked in a driveway, and some of the ugliest McMansions you'll ever see - I don't look any further. Pimmit Hills is a residential no-man's land, definitely a place to be avoided just like Hybla Valley, Culmore, and the trailer park section of Chantilly.

"Blah blah blah"? I've tried to keep this exchange very calm and fact-based, but you seem to have a weird amount of emotion for a place you don't like. Why is that?

I think we've established that you don't like PH beyond a reasonable doubt. But your dislike of it isn't a fact or a number, it's an opinion of a single person. The market data in PH doesn't support your claim that it's a no-man's land. You are free not to like it, no one would argue with your feelings. But don't get mad when people post fact-based objections in response to your claims that PH's market is stagnant (it isn't), its schools are bad (they aren't), that houses above 750K don't sell (they do) or that people avoid it (they don't). You are free to dislike it all you want. But when you post things that aren't factually true, people will rebut you, and not all of them will do it as calmly as I'm doing it now.

Do you have something to say? Because that post is entirely content-free. You want to have a dialogue about which areas of NoVa to avoid. I think Pimmit Hills is near the top. The housing is crap and once you hit a certain price point, virtually nothing there moves. It had its moment for people who wanted to tear down the decrepit shacks and build ugly McMansions, but nicer houses can be found all over the rest of Falls Church and the people chasing yield are largely looking elsewhere now.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sales over $800K in 22041 since beginning of 2013 - 14
Sales over $800K in 22042 since beginning of 2013 - 10
Sales over $800K in 22044 since beginning of 2013 - 14
Sales over $800K in Pimmit Hills since beginning of 2013 - 5

So the number of $800K sales in the supposedly crappy areas of Falls Church is almost eight times greater than in Pimmit Hills.

I know, the DIYers are buying old homes in Pimmit Hills for $450K and building million-dollar homes. That mostly look like total shit.

Let me explain to you why your argument is statistically illiterate.

Statistics don't measure aesthetics so the "look like total shit" argument could just as easily apply to other areas you mention.

Second, you are comparing sales in entire zipcodes to sales in one neighborhood of 22043. If you expand the PH statistics to cover the whole of 22043, things would look very different, won't they.

Third, no one argues that other areas have no 800K+ sales, or that PH has them all. Price is not the only factor that determines the appeal of the neighborhood, and neither is aesthetics.

Blah, blah, blah.

If a neighborhood is as ugly as Pimmit Hills - and is horrible, full of shacks being milked for every last dollar of rental income, chain-link fences, homes with three or four trucks parked in a driveway, and some of the ugliest McMansions you'll ever see - I don't look any further. Pimmit Hills is a residential no-man's land, definitely a place to be avoided just like Hybla Valley, Culmore, and the trailer park section of Chantilly.

"Blah blah blah"? I've tried to keep this exchange very calm and fact-based, but you seem to have a weird amount of emotion for a place you don't like. Why is that?

I think we've established that you don't like PH beyond a reasonable doubt. But your dislike of it isn't a fact or a number, it's an opinion of a single person. The market data in PH doesn't support your claim that it's a no-man's land. You are free not to like it, no one would argue with your feelings. But don't get mad when people post fact-based objections in response to your claims that PH's market is stagnant (it isn't), its schools are bad (they aren't), that houses above 750K don't sell (they do) or that people avoid it (they don't). You are free to dislike it all you want. But when you post things that aren't factually true, people will rebut you, and not all of them will do it as calmly as I'm doing it now.

Do you have something to say? Because that post is entirely content-free. You want to have a dialogue about which areas of NoVa to avoid. I think Pimmit Hills is near the top. The housing is crap and once you hit a certain price point, virtually nothing there moves. It had its moment for people who wanted to tear down the decrepit shacks and build ugly McMansions, but nicer houses can be found all over the rest of Falls Church and the people chasing yield are largely looking elsewhere now.

We should name you we can take a group vote.

The best parts of your posts are the opinions that you keep yelling as facts.

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BLUE IS AWESOME BECAUSE ITS BLUE, yellow sucks!

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Do you have something to say? Because that post is entirely content-free. You want to have a dialogue about which areas of NoVa to avoid. I think Pimmit Hills is near the top. The housing is crap and once you hit a certain price point, virtually nothing there moves. It had its moment for people who wanted to tear down the decrepit shacks and build ugly McMansions, but nicer houses can be found all over the rest of Falls Church and the people chasing yield are largely looking elsewhere now.

You are free to think what you like, who is there to stop you? People are also free to correct you when you're posting nonsense.

"One you hit a certain price point, nothing moves" - the same can be said about virtually any neighborhood, including downtown Manhattan.

A healthy clip at which teardowns in PH sell contradicts your point that the moment when people wanted to tear down shacks and build McMansions has passed. It hasn't. It's very much ongoing.

"Nicer houses" is relative, Southeast DC is full of nice houses. Does it make it a nice place to live?

"Chasing yield", by and large, doesn't happen in nice neighborhoods, fyi. It happens in low-profile neighborhoods poised for growth. Established locations grow at a slower rate.

So really, the only true part of your post is that you don't like PH.

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Do you have something to say? Because that post is entirely content-free. You want to have a dialogue about which areas of NoVa to avoid. I think Pimmit Hills is near the top. The housing is crap and once you hit a certain price point, virtually nothing there moves. It had its moment for people who wanted to tear down the decrepit shacks and build ugly McMansions, but nicer houses can be found all over the rest of Falls Church and the people chasing yield are largely looking elsewhere now.

You are free to think what you like, who is there to stop you? People are also free to correct you when you're posting nonsense.

"One you hit a certain price point, nothing moves" - the same can be said about virtually any neighborhood, including downtown Manhattan.

A healthy clip at which teardowns in PH sell contradicts your point that the moment when people wanted to tear down shacks and build McMansions has passed. It hasn't. It's very much ongoing.

"Nicer houses" is relative, Southeast DC is full of nice houses. Does it make it a nice place to live?

"Chasing yield", by and large, doesn't happen in nice neighborhoods, fyi. It happens in low-profile neighborhoods poised for growth. Established locations grow at a slower rate.

So really, the only true part of your post is that you don't like PH.

I am going to bet the response from the PH Hater from Faux Church will go something like

"Pimmit hills still suck badly because of a trailer park in alabama and it sucks just like pimmit hills. The pimmit hills schools suck terriblely because 100% of the graduating class don't even attend ivy leagues. It's ugly !!!!!!"