What Schools are Considered 2T?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Basis average sat is 1490. 55 percent go to t25 school. How is that tier 4?

FWIW, Basis counts the t25 universities and the t25 liberal arts colleges in that stat. so 50 schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For the sake of completeness add Dwight Englewood if you are including Hackley. I know a bunch of Manhattan families there. Mainly UWS. I think it is on the lower end of 3T.

At that point add Brunswick and RCDS at 2T.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We can’t mix K entry vs G9 entry. For example, Grace Church has a lot of kids leaving after G8, so their HS entry is much easier. For K, it’s less than 10% acceptance rate.

And this is the problem - dated, inaccurate information. Grace is retaining a lot more kids than it used to. It still admits a lot of kids as it roughly doubles in size. But more kids are staying. Which is why it has become more competitive. Though like at many other schools, the new kids who start in 9 actually tend to often be the smartest as they are accepted increasingly for academic achievement and not play date performance how much the parents suck up.

Again, for the haters, I am in no way, shape or form saying Grace is TT. Not even close. But it makes a more compelling argument for 2T. Largely depends on how you define it.

I am all for critical debate and discussion. The Trevor hater who was getting criticized and deleted was beyond that. There was zero basis in truth and they were universally calling all kids at a school dumb. That is not OK. And it is not true. Anyone who makes blanket statements about a school is not worth listening to. And anyone that hateful should not be here. Good riddance.

And regarding St. Ann's. That situation festered and was encouraged by the school and is symptomatic about bigger problems there. It is hard to ignore. Totally agree that any school can end up with a rogue teacher so be careful commenting on someone else. But it went way beyond that.

I liked Grace a lot when we looked at it for 9th but they were one of the schools that asked the least of us during the application process. I think Dalton, Packer, Friends and Browning asked for the most. They all required additional recommendations beyond the math and English teacher. Friends required an on-site writing sample, Browning required a peer recommendation and a group interview where they evaluated their problem solving skills. I think they all required a graded writing sample and other supplementals. Xavier didn’t require an interview but a lot of additional essays. Grace was basically ISEE, ISAGGNY essay, transcript, two teacher rec and an interview. I think there was also a short parent statement.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We can’t mix K entry vs G9 entry. For example, Grace Church has a lot of kids leaving after G8, so their HS entry is much easier. For K, it’s less than 10% acceptance rate.

And this is the problem - dated, inaccurate information. Grace is retaining a lot more kids than it used to. It still admits a lot of kids as it roughly doubles in size. But more kids are staying. Which is why it has become more competitive. Though like at many other schools, the new kids who start in 9 actually tend to often be the smartest as they are accepted increasingly for academic achievement and not play date performance how much the parents suck up.

Again, for the haters, I am in no way, shape or form saying Grace is TT. Not even close. But it makes a more compelling argument for 2T. Largely depends on how you define it.

I am all for critical debate and discussion. The Trevor hater who was getting criticized and deleted was beyond that. There was zero basis in truth and they were universally calling all kids at a school dumb. That is not OK. And it is not true. Anyone who makes blanket statements about a school is not worth listening to. And anyone that hateful should not be here. Good riddance.

And regarding St. Ann's. That situation festered and was encouraged by the school and is symptomatic about bigger problems there. It is hard to ignore. Totally agree that any school can end up with a rogue teacher so be careful commenting on someone else. But it went way beyond that.

I liked Grace a lot when we looked at it for 9th but they were one of the schools that asked the least of us during the application process. I think Dalton, Packer, Friends and Browning asked for the most. They all required additional recommendations beyond the math and English teacher. Friends required an on-site writing sample, Browning required a peer recommendation and a group interview where they evaluated their problem solving skills. I think they all required a graded writing sample and other supplementals. Xavier didn’t require an interview but a lot of additional essays. Grace was basically ISEE, ISAGGNY essay, transcript, two teacher rec and an interview. I think there was also a short parent statement.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We can’t mix K entry vs G9 entry. For example, Grace Church has a lot of kids leaving after G8, so their HS entry is much easier. For K, it’s less than 10% acceptance rate.

And this is the problem - dated, inaccurate information. Grace is retaining a lot more kids than it used to. It still admits a lot of kids as it roughly doubles in size. But more kids are staying. Which is why it has become more competitive. Though like at many other schools, the new kids who start in 9 actually tend to often be the smartest as they are accepted increasingly for academic achievement and not play date performance how much the parents suck up.

Again, for the haters, I am in no way, shape or form saying Grace is TT. Not even close. But it makes a more compelling argument for 2T. Largely depends on how you define it.

I am all for critical debate and discussion. The Trevor hater who was getting criticized and deleted was beyond that. There was zero basis in truth and they were universally calling all kids at a school dumb. That is not OK. And it is not true. Anyone who makes blanket statements about a school is not worth listening to. And anyone that hateful should not be here. Good riddance.

And regarding St. Ann's. That situation festered and was encouraged by the school and is symptomatic about bigger problems there. It is hard to ignore. Totally agree that any school can end up with a rogue teacher so be careful commenting on someone else. But it went way beyond that.

I liked Grace a lot when we looked at it for 9th but they were one of the schools that asked the least of us during the application process. I think Dalton, Packer, Friends and Browning asked for the most. They all required additional recommendations beyond the math and English teacher. Friends required an on-site writing sample, Browning required a peer recommendation and a group interview where they evaluated their problem solving skills. I think they all required a graded writing sample and other supplementals. Xavier didn’t require an interview but a lot of additional essays. Grace was basically ISEE, ISAGGNY essay, transcript, two teacher rec and an interview. I think there was also a short parent statement.

The Grace high school admissions office and process was frustrating to my family...when we applied it definitely felt like the school we knew the least about and had the smallest exposure to. Once we were accepted, it was warmer, but it was too late to convince my child. I really wanted to get there with them...we are a downtown family, the 9am start time was so attractive, love their head of school. But by the time it was accepted student tours, my child had developed stronger relationships with other schools (like Friends and Browning). Maybe Grace has so many applicants they don't need to woo students, but it definitely felt like their push to get sell their school happened too late.

[Anonymous]

- Pick the best school for your kid, ranking doesn't matter

- If $70k/year is a significant burden for you and you don't qualify for financial aid, seriously weigh whether your kid would be better off going to public school and having you give them a check for $1M when they graduate from college

[Anonymous]

My kid had the on-site Friends writing sample. We were turned off as it was sprung on him. The concept actually was nice - I believe he was asked to write about something he hadn't gotten to talk about during the interview, which is helpful (or difficult if you have nothing to say). Ironically he wrote about something that we spent most of the parent interview discussing. We generally found their admissions people to be distant and cold, and this was particularly notable after we were accepted and it was just kind of blah.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For the sake of completeness add Dwight Englewood if you are including Hackley. I know a bunch of Manhattan families there. Mainly UWS. I think it is on the lower end of 3T.

At that point add Brunswick and RCDS at 2T.

Dwight Englewood draws a lot of Manhattan kids. Brunswick and RCDS do not. Completely different. Perhaps you don't know any. I know many (UWS, though I also know a downtown family there).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We can’t mix K entry vs G9 entry. For example, Grace Church has a lot of kids leaving after G8, so their HS entry is much easier. For K, it’s less than 10% acceptance rate.

And this is the problem - dated, inaccurate information. Grace is retaining a lot more kids than it used to. It still admits a lot of kids as it roughly doubles in size. But more kids are staying. Which is why it has become more competitive. Though like at many other schools, the new kids who start in 9 actually tend to often be the smartest as they are accepted increasingly for academic achievement and not play date performance how much the parents suck up.

Again, for the haters, I am in no way, shape or form saying Grace is TT. Not even close. But it makes a more compelling argument for 2T. Largely depends on how you define it.

I am all for critical debate and discussion. The Trevor hater who was getting criticized and deleted was beyond that. There was zero basis in truth and they were universally calling all kids at a school dumb. That is not OK. And it is not true. Anyone who makes blanket statements about a school is not worth listening to. And anyone that hateful should not be here. Good riddance.

And regarding St. Ann's. That situation festered and was encouraged by the school and is symptomatic about bigger problems there. It is hard to ignore. Totally agree that any school can end up with a rogue teacher so be careful commenting on someone else. But it went way beyond that.

I liked Grace a lot when we looked at it for 9th but they were one of the schools that asked the least of us during the application process. I think Dalton, Packer, Friends and Browning asked for the most. They all required additional recommendations beyond the math and English teacher. Friends required an on-site writing sample, Browning required a peer recommendation and a group interview where they evaluated their problem solving skills. I think they all required a graded writing sample and other supplementals. Xavier didn’t require an interview but a lot of additional essays. Grace was basically ISEE, ISAGGNY essay, transcript, two teacher rec and an interview. I think there was also a short parent statement.

The Grace high school admissions office and process was frustrating to my family...when we applied it definitely felt like the school we knew the least about and had the smallest exposure to. Once we were accepted, it was warmer, but it was too late to convince my child. I really wanted to get there with them...we are a downtown family, the 9am start time was so attractive, love their head of school. But by the time it was accepted student tours, my child had developed stronger relationships with other schools (like Friends and Browning). Maybe Grace has so many applicants they don't need to woo students, but it definitely felt like their push to get sell their school happened too late.

Interesting. We had a very different experience. We felt that they were by far the warmest and "wanted us" the most from the start. Our child is an athlete (not a particularly good one so it's not like they were being "recruited") and was invited to a game with a bunch of other kids where they got to interact with coaches, which was great - this was before they were accepted. And once accepted we had a somewhat unique question and contacted admissions and they connected us with a student who who could speak to that question within about an hour, and we spoke to the kid that night - it was very helpful. And the accepted parents event before we had to make a decision was extremely helpful as we could ask a lot more questions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For the sake of completeness add Dwight Englewood if you are including Hackley. I know a bunch of Manhattan families there. Mainly UWS. I think it is on the lower end of 3T.

At that point add Brunswick and RCDS at 2T.

Dwight Englewood draws a lot of Manhattan kids. Brunswick and RCDS do not. Completely different. Perhaps you don't know any. I know many (UWS, though I also know a downtown family there).

Someone mentioned Hackley, which doesn’t attract many Manhattan kids. Then someone chimed in with another (albeit closer) suburban school. So let’s just add all the good ones at that point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We can’t mix K entry vs G9 entry. For example, Grace Church has a lot of kids leaving after G8, so their HS entry is much easier. For K, it’s less than 10% acceptance rate.

And this is the problem - dated, inaccurate information. Grace is retaining a lot more kids than it used to. It still admits a lot of kids as it roughly doubles in size. But more kids are staying. Which is why it has become more competitive. Though like at many other schools, the new kids who start in 9 actually tend to often be the smartest as they are accepted increasingly for academic achievement and not play date performance how much the parents suck up.

Again, for the haters, I am in no way, shape or form saying Grace is TT. Not even close. But it makes a more compelling argument for 2T. Largely depends on how you define it.

I am all for critical debate and discussion. The Trevor hater who was getting criticized and deleted was beyond that. There was zero basis in truth and they were universally calling all kids at a school dumb. That is not OK. And it is not true. Anyone who makes blanket statements about a school is not worth listening to. And anyone that hateful should not be here. Good riddance.

And regarding St. Ann's. That situation festered and was encouraged by the school and is symptomatic about bigger problems there. It is hard to ignore. Totally agree that any school can end up with a rogue teacher so be careful commenting on someone else. But it went way beyond that.

I liked Grace a lot when we looked at it for 9th but they were one of the schools that asked the least of us during the application process. I think Dalton, Packer, Friends and Browning asked for the most. They all required additional recommendations beyond the math and English teacher. Friends required an on-site writing sample, Browning required a peer recommendation and a group interview where they evaluated their problem solving skills. I think they all required a graded writing sample and other supplementals. Xavier didn’t require an interview but a lot of additional essays. Grace was basically ISEE, ISAGGNY essay, transcript, two teacher rec and an interview. I think there was also a short parent statement.

The Grace high school admissions office and process was frustrating to my family...when we applied it definitely felt like the school we knew the least about and had the smallest exposure to. Once we were accepted, it was warmer, but it was too late to convince my child. I really wanted to get there with them...we are a downtown family, the 9am start time was so attractive, love their head of school. But by the time it was accepted student tours, my child had developed stronger relationships with other schools (like Friends and Browning). Maybe Grace has so many applicants they don't need to woo students, but it definitely felt like their push to get sell their school happened too late.

As an all boys we found that Browning had a very different vibe than Co-eds (thank you, captain obvious). You really need to know your kid and think about what their world is like outside of school. Nothing against Browning but we visited and felt like for our very smart but fairly shy kid (has lots of friends but it takes time to make them), it was not a good environment. But it is great that it is there for other kids for whom that might be less of an issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We can’t mix K entry vs G9 entry. For example, Grace Church has a lot of kids leaving after G8, so their HS entry is much easier. For K, it’s less than 10% acceptance rate.

And this is the problem - dated, inaccurate information. Grace is retaining a lot more kids than it used to. It still admits a lot of kids as it roughly doubles in size. But more kids are staying. Which is why it has become more competitive. Though like at many other schools, the new kids who start in 9 actually tend to often be the smartest as they are accepted increasingly for academic achievement and not play date performance how much the parents suck up.

Again, for the haters, I am in no way, shape or form saying Grace is TT. Not even close. But it makes a more compelling argument for 2T. Largely depends on how you define it.

I am all for critical debate and discussion. The Trevor hater who was getting criticized and deleted was beyond that. There was zero basis in truth and they were universally calling all kids at a school dumb. That is not OK. And it is not true. Anyone who makes blanket statements about a school is not worth listening to. And anyone that hateful should not be here. Good riddance.

And regarding St. Ann's. That situation festered and was encouraged by the school and is symptomatic about bigger problems there. It is hard to ignore. Totally agree that any school can end up with a rogue teacher so be careful commenting on someone else. But it went way beyond that.

I liked Grace a lot when we looked at it for 9th but they were one of the schools that asked the least of us during the application process. I think Dalton, Packer, Friends and Browning asked for the most. They all required additional recommendations beyond the math and English teacher. Friends required an on-site writing sample, Browning required a peer recommendation and a group interview where they evaluated their problem solving skills. I think they all required a graded writing sample and other supplementals. Xavier didn’t require an interview but a lot of additional essays. Grace was basically ISEE, ISAGGNY essay, transcript, two teacher rec and an interview. I think there was also a short parent statement.

The Grace high school admissions office and process was frustrating to my family...when we applied it definitely felt like the school we knew the least about and had the smallest exposure to. Once we were accepted, it was warmer, but it was too late to convince my child. I really wanted to get there with them...we are a downtown family, the 9am start time was so attractive, love their head of school. But by the time it was accepted student tours, my child had developed stronger relationships with other schools (like Friends and Browning). Maybe Grace has so many applicants they don't need to woo students, but it definitely felt like their push to get sell their school happened too late.

Sounds like our kids applied to a lot of the same schools.

I thought our interviewer at Grace was very warm and I appreciated that they had an open house that we could attend spring of 7th grade. At the end of the day I just couldn’t justify the cost, but I think Grace has the potential to be a really good high school. We didn’t have a great admissions experience with Friends. Their open house was awful and I thought their interviewer was a little cold. I called them once during the admissions process to ask a question and they were pretty unhelpful. They did have a great revisit day that included a program for the parents and we almost enrolled based on how positive the revisit was.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We can’t mix K entry vs G9 entry. For example, Grace Church has a lot of kids leaving after G8, so their HS entry is much easier. For K, it’s less than 10% acceptance rate.

And this is the problem - dated, inaccurate information. Grace is retaining a lot more kids than it used to. It still admits a lot of kids as it roughly doubles in size. But more kids are staying. Which is why it has become more competitive. Though like at many other schools, the new kids who start in 9 actually tend to often be the smartest as they are accepted increasingly for academic achievement and not play date performance how much the parents suck up.

Again, for the haters, I am in no way, shape or form saying Grace is TT. Not even close. But it makes a more compelling argument for 2T. Largely depends on how you define it.

I am all for critical debate and discussion. The Trevor hater who was getting criticized and deleted was beyond that. There was zero basis in truth and they were universally calling all kids at a school dumb. That is not OK. And it is not true. Anyone who makes blanket statements about a school is not worth listening to. And anyone that hateful should not be here. Good riddance.

And regarding St. Ann's. That situation festered and was encouraged by the school and is symptomatic about bigger problems there. It is hard to ignore. Totally agree that any school can end up with a rogue teacher so be careful commenting on someone else. But it went way beyond that.

I liked Grace a lot when we looked at it for 9th but they were one of the schools that asked the least of us during the application process. I think Dalton, Packer, Friends and Browning asked for the most. They all required additional recommendations beyond the math and English teacher. Friends required an on-site writing sample, Browning required a peer recommendation and a group interview where they evaluated their problem solving skills. I think they all required a graded writing sample and other supplementals. Xavier didn’t require an interview but a lot of additional essays. Grace was basically ISEE, ISAGGNY essay, transcript, two teacher rec and an interview. I think there was also a short parent statement.

The Grace high school admissions office and process was frustrating to my family...when we applied it definitely felt like the school we knew the least about and had the smallest exposure to. Once we were accepted, it was warmer, but it was too late to convince my child. I really wanted to get there with them...we are a downtown family, the 9am start time was so attractive, love their head of school. But by the time it was accepted student tours, my child had developed stronger relationships with other schools (like Friends and Browning). Maybe Grace has so many applicants they don't need to woo students, but it definitely felt like their push to get sell their school happened too late.

As an all boys we found that Browning had a very different vibe than Co-eds (thank you, captain obvious). You really need to know your kid and think about what their world is like outside of school. Nothing against Browning but we visited and felt like for our very smart but fairly shy kid (has lots of friends but it takes time to make them), it was not a good environment. But it is great that it is there for other kids for whom that might be less of an issue.

I liked Browning a lot and I liked the ss environment for my son. I think it’s a little small and I was worried it might be hard for my kid to find his people and that the college transition might be overwhelming after 12 years and very small schools. You never know, it’s possible it would have been a great place for him. I got warm vibes from them during the admissions process.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We can’t mix K entry vs G9 entry. For example, Grace Church has a lot of kids leaving after G8, so their HS entry is much easier. For K, it’s less than 10% acceptance rate.

And this is the problem - dated, inaccurate information. Grace is retaining a lot more kids than it used to. It still admits a lot of kids as it roughly doubles in size. But more kids are staying. Which is why it has become more competitive. Though like at many other schools, the new kids who start in 9 actually tend to often be the smartest as they are accepted increasingly for academic achievement and not play date performance how much the parents suck up.

Again, for the haters, I am in no way, shape or form saying Grace is TT. Not even close. But it makes a more compelling argument for 2T. Largely depends on how you define it.

I am all for critical debate and discussion. The Trevor hater who was getting criticized and deleted was beyond that. There was zero basis in truth and they were universally calling all kids at a school dumb. That is not OK. And it is not true. Anyone who makes blanket statements about a school is not worth listening to. And anyone that hateful should not be here. Good riddance.

And regarding St. Ann's. That situation festered and was encouraged by the school and is symptomatic about bigger problems there. It is hard to ignore. Totally agree that any school can end up with a rogue teacher so be careful commenting on someone else. But it went way beyond that.

I liked Grace a lot when we looked at it for 9th but they were one of the schools that asked the least of us during the application process. I think Dalton, Packer, Friends and Browning asked for the most. They all required additional recommendations beyond the math and English teacher. Friends required an on-site writing sample, Browning required a peer recommendation and a group interview where they evaluated their problem solving skills. I think they all required a graded writing sample and other supplementals. Xavier didn’t require an interview but a lot of additional essays. Grace was basically ISEE, ISAGGNY essay, transcript, two teacher rec and an interview. I think there was also a short parent statement.

The Grace high school admissions office and process was frustrating to my family...when we applied it definitely felt like the school we knew the least about and had the smallest exposure to. Once we were accepted, it was warmer, but it was too late to convince my child. I really wanted to get there with them...we are a downtown family, the 9am start time was so attractive, love their head of school. But by the time it was accepted student tours, my child had developed stronger relationships with other schools (like Friends and Browning). Maybe Grace has so many applicants they don't need to woo students, but it definitely felt like their push to get sell their school happened too late.

Sounds like our kids applied to a lot of the same schools.

I thought our interviewer at Grace was very warm and I appreciated that they had an open house that we could attend spring of 7th grade. At the end of the day I just couldn’t justify the cost, but I think Grace has the potential to be a really good high school. We didn’t have a great admissions experience with Friends. Their open house was awful and I thought their interviewer was a little cold. I called them once during the admissions process to ask a question and they were pretty unhelpful. They did have a great revisit day that included a program for the parents and we almost enrolled based on how positive the revisit was.

NP who also looked at similar schools though possibly different years - I'm guessing there are overlapping applicants in a certain group of schools and I think all of these schools have a lot of pros and have been ascending.

We also thought the Friends open house was awful. Suffering in that uncomfortable meeting house was a turnoff (the content was worse than the uncomfortable benches), despite lots of other great positives about the school. We walked out unhappy and were not the only ones to feel that way. We were accepted but there was no parent open house which was also frustrating as we thought they might be able to redeem themselves from the open house but there was nothing. So I'm glad you had a good experience with that. We reached out to some parents we knew or were connected to who were very helpful in answering questions, but it would have been nice to go back.

Did you end up at a different private or public?

[Anonymous]

What do people think tuition will look like in five years, or ten, or 15? At 70k now is a breaking point on the horizon? When do all but the most successful or those with family money drop out of the private school system?