Christians against ICE

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a Christian against ICE.

I'm a Christian who supports ICE.

Jesus actually talks about you in Matthew 7:15-20 and warns people about ravenous wolves in sheep clothing. Saying you are a Christian is just empty words when you have a heart and mind that are the opposite.

He even tells us how to distinguish - by their fruit. Are their actions good fruit (love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, and self control) or bad fruit (discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, neglecting those in need, hypocrasy, pride, greed, a hardened heart)

By their fruits - you will know them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The term "homosexual" first entered English Bible translations in 1946 with the Revised Standard Version (RSV), which translated Greek terms in 1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10 using this word. Before this, translations referred to specific acts, not a sexual orientation.

MAN not the HOLY SPIRIT added homosexuality.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is a conservative Christian?

I am a conservative Christian. That means the Bible is the word of God and I follow the fundamental teachings therein. Because God is opposed to homosexuality (God did not create homosexuals just as God did not create child molesters and perverts), I cannot support a church or political party that supports and approves of homosexuality, as well as abortion.

This means I cannot vote Democrat. I support ICE because it is removing lawless and criminal people —ILLEGAL aliens, from America. I voted for this.

Liberal Christians have a form of Godliness but reject what God says about morality. Most abortions are the result of fornication and adultery but liberal Christians stand with the ungodly on this issue as they do with homosexuality.

Liberal Christians quote Jesus about helping the poor and hungry., and we should. However, illegal aliens are invaders and infiltrators, scammers, drug pushers, pimps, and traffickers of children to satisfy the sexual appetites of the perverse.

Doing good works is good but without repentance it is in vain.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

You are working iniquity by aiding and abetting the lawless, interfering and obstructing agents of the law to deport the lawless, and for refusing to believe what God says about homosexuality, instead twisting and omitting scripture, doing the same as Satan saying, “Has God really said? The church has gotten it wrong for over a thousand years because we have decided what God really meant rather than what he said by the Holy Spirit.”

You are 100% wrong about the bolded. The vast majority of illegal immigrants are not "scammers, drug pushers, pimps, and traffickers of children to satisfy the sexual appetites of the perverse.". You are watching way to much conspiracy theory crap. It's scary how much the MAGA crowd have bought into this. It's like how the Germans bought into the ugly stereotypes of Jews. You remind me of those Germans. If you lived in Germany back then, you'd say the same thing about Jews, and think the Gestapo are doing "God's work" rounding up Jews. Scary, and completely un-Christlike. I'll pray for your soul so that you may see the light.

The evil doers here are ICE. Have you seen their tactics, and how they take away children even as there are other relatives there who are willing to take the child? ICE is punishing the parents by putting the children in cages. That picture of the 5 yr old with a backpack being taken by ICE haunts me. Just Deplorable.

In this country, everyone has a right to due process, including illegal immigrants. Heck, even the Bible says they deserve justice.

Jesus said to welcome the foreigner. And, Jesus himself broke man's laws to help people.

‘Cursed is anyone who withholds justice from the foreigner, the fatherless or the widow.’ Then all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’
Deuteronomy 27:19 (NIV)

Contribute to the needs of the saints; extend hospitality to strangers.
Romans 12:13

Owe no one anything, except to love one another; for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.
Romans 13:8


I used to be like you - hateful Christian full of fire and brimstone. It took me a long time to understand the true meaning of the Love and Grace of God.

- former R

If you want to think illegal aliens are not invaders and infiltrators, have at it. Let them overrun our nation like a horde of rats, turning our great, God-blessed nation into a godless hellhole from which they came, their evil deeds and hearts the cause of their country cursed.

I am all for helping people in need, just as I am giving yhe heave-ho to people who do not belong here because they are lawless.

Your support for these lawless people tell your character and where your disloyalty to America and its immigration laws, which are there to protect American citizens.

All nations have laws as to who can come and live in the country as well as avail themselves of public services.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is a conservative Christian?

I am a conservative Christian. That means the Bible is the word of God and I follow the fundamental teachings therein. Because God is opposed to homosexuality (God did not create homosexuals just as God did not create child molesters and perverts), I cannot support a church or political party that supports and approves of homosexuality, as well as abortion.

This means I cannot vote Democrat. I support ICE because it is removing lawless and criminal people —ILLEGAL aliens, from America. I voted for this.

Liberal Christians have a form of Godliness but reject what God says about morality. Most abortions are the result of fornication and adultery but liberal Christians stand with the ungodly on this issue as they do with homosexuality.

Liberal Christians quote Jesus about helping the poor and hungry., and we should. However, illegal aliens are invaders and infiltrators, scammers, drug pushers, pimps, and traffickers of children to satisfy the sexual appetites of the perverse.

Doing good works is good but without repentance it is in vain.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

You are working iniquity by aiding and abetting the lawless, interfering and obstructing agents of the law to deport the lawless, and for refusing to believe what God says about homosexuality, instead twisting and omitting scripture, doing the same as Satan saying, “Has God really said? The church has gotten it wrong for over a thousand years because we have decided what God really meant rather than what he said by the Holy Spirit.”

You are 100% wrong about the bolded. The vast majority of illegal immigrants are not "scammers, drug pushers, pimps, and traffickers of children to satisfy the sexual appetites of the perverse.". You are watching way to much conspiracy theory crap. It's scary how much the MAGA crowd have bought into this. It's like how the Germans bought into the ugly stereotypes of Jews. You remind me of those Germans. If you lived in Germany back then, you'd say the same thing about Jews, and think the Gestapo are doing "God's work" rounding up Jews. Scary, and completely un-Christlike. I'll pray for your soul so that you may see the light.

The evil doers here are ICE. Have you seen their tactics, and how they take away children even as there are other relatives there who are willing to take the child? ICE is punishing the parents by putting the children in cages. That picture of the 5 yr old with a backpack being taken by ICE haunts me. Just Deplorable.

In this country, everyone has a right to due process, including illegal immigrants. Heck, even the Bible says they deserve justice.

Jesus said to welcome the foreigner. And, Jesus himself broke man's laws to help people.

‘Cursed is anyone who withholds justice from the foreigner, the fatherless or the widow.’ Then all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’
Deuteronomy 27:19 (NIV)

Contribute to the needs of the saints; extend hospitality to strangers.
Romans 12:13

Owe no one anything, except to love one another; for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.
Romans 13:8


I used to be like you - hateful Christian full of fire and brimstone. It took me a long time to understand the true meaning of the Love and Grace of God.

- former R

If you want to think illegal aliens are not invaders and infiltrators, have at it. Let them overrun our nation like a horde of rats, turning our great, God-blessed nation into a godless hellhole from which they came, their evil deeds and hearts the cause of their country cursed.

I am all for helping people in need, just as I am giving yhe heave-ho to people who do not belong here because they are lawless.

Your support for these lawless people tell your character and where your disloyalty to America and its immigration laws, which are there to protect American citizens.

All nations have laws as to who can come and live in the country as well as avail themselves of public services.

Show evidence of undocumented being lawless more lawless than ICE????
Show evidence of undocumented being more "lawless" than white Christian males??? Trump administrations website violent crimes stats in this country committed by white christian males

"lawless" EPSTEIN FILES not being released.

"lawless" Pardoning criminals over and over again that assaulted the Capital Police or SCAMMED AND GRIFTED off of hard working Americans.

"lawless" Trump's crimes in office.

The US Constitution is still a thing you god dammed Anti American cult of stupidity member.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is a conservative Christian?

I am a conservative Christian. That means the Bible is the word of God and I follow the fundamental teachings therein. Because God is opposed to homosexuality (God did not create homosexuals just as God did not create child molesters and perverts), I cannot support a church or political party that supports and approves of homosexuality, as well as abortion.

This means I cannot vote Democrat. I support ICE because it is removing lawless and criminal people —ILLEGAL aliens, from America. I voted for this.

Liberal Christians have a form of Godliness but reject what God says about morality. Most abortions are the result of fornication and adultery but liberal Christians stand with the ungodly on this issue as they do with homosexuality.

Liberal Christians quote Jesus about helping the poor and hungry., and we should. However, illegal aliens are invaders and infiltrators, scammers, drug pushers, pimps, and traffickers of children to satisfy the sexual appetites of the perverse.

Doing good works is good but without repentance it is in vain.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

You are working iniquity by aiding and abetting the lawless, interfering and obstructing agents of the law to deport the lawless, and for refusing to believe what God says about homosexuality, instead twisting and omitting scripture, doing the same as Satan saying, “Has God really said? The church has gotten it wrong for over a thousand years because we have decided what God really meant rather than what he said by the Holy Spirit.”

You are 100% wrong about the bolded. The vast majority of illegal immigrants are not "scammers, drug pushers, pimps, and traffickers of children to satisfy the sexual appetites of the perverse.". You are watching way to much conspiracy theory crap. It's scary how much the MAGA crowd have bought into this. It's like how the Germans bought into the ugly stereotypes of Jews. You remind me of those Germans. If you lived in Germany back then, you'd say the same thing about Jews, and think the Gestapo are doing "God's work" rounding up Jews. Scary, and completely un-Christlike. I'll pray for your soul so that you may see the light.

The evil doers here are ICE. Have you seen their tactics, and how they take away children even as there are other relatives there who are willing to take the child? ICE is punishing the parents by putting the children in cages. That picture of the 5 yr old with a backpack being taken by ICE haunts me. Just Deplorable.

In this country, everyone has a right to due process, including illegal immigrants. Heck, even the Bible says they deserve justice.

Jesus said to welcome the foreigner. And, Jesus himself broke man's laws to help people.

‘Cursed is anyone who withholds justice from the foreigner, the fatherless or the widow.’ Then all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’
Deuteronomy 27:19 (NIV)

Contribute to the needs of the saints; extend hospitality to strangers.
Romans 12:13

Owe no one anything, except to love one another; for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.
Romans 13:8


I used to be like you - hateful Christian full of fire and brimstone. It took me a long time to understand the true meaning of the Love and Grace of God.

- former R

If you want to think illegal aliens are not invaders and infiltrators, have at it. Let them overrun our nation like a horde of rats, turning our great, God-blessed nation into a godless hellhole from which they came, their evil deeds and hearts the cause of their country cursed.

I am all for helping people in need, just as I am giving yhe heave-ho to people who do not belong here because they are lawless.

Your support for these lawless people tell your character and where your disloyalty to America and its immigration laws, which are there to protect American citizens.

All nations have laws as to who can come and live in the country as well as avail themselves of public services.

oh, my lord. You are like those Germans who were ok with the Nazis.

Newsflash: Jesus did not care about your citizenship or what country you were from. He came to seek and save the lost, not the self righteous bigots.

You hide your hatred and racism behind religion. It's no wonder more and more people are turning away from Christianity. You are a prime example of the hypocrisy within Christianity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is a conservative Christian?

I am a conservative Christian. That means the Bible is the word of God and I follow the fundamental teachings therein. Because God is opposed to homosexuality (God did not create homosexuals just as God did not create child molesters and perverts), I cannot support a church or political party that supports and approves of homosexuality, as well as abortion.

This means I cannot vote Democrat. I support ICE because it is removing lawless and criminal people —ILLEGAL aliens, from America. I voted for this.

Liberal Christians have a form of Godliness but reject what God says about morality. Most abortions are the result of fornication and adultery but liberal Christians stand with the ungodly on this issue as they do with homosexuality.

Liberal Christians quote Jesus about helping the poor and hungry., and we should. However, illegal aliens are invaders and infiltrators, scammers, drug pushers, pimps, and traffickers of children to satisfy the sexual appetites of the perverse.

Doing good works is good but without repentance it is in vain.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

You are working iniquity by aiding and abetting the lawless, interfering and obstructing agents of the law to deport the lawless, and for refusing to believe what God says about homosexuality, instead twisting and omitting scripture, doing the same as Satan saying, “Has God really said? The church has gotten it wrong for over a thousand years because we have decided what God really meant rather than what he said by the Holy Spirit.”

This is pretty spot on what Conservatives have become and it's chilling to read.

IN the olden days a conservative would read this and shutter with disgust. But bravo poster you perfectly described how the devil has got you, the new conservative Xtian by the horns.

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This is not what the conservative church has become, it is what it has always been. Liberal Christians, under the direction of Satan, are trying to redefine Christianity, as they did with marriage, to include and approve of homosexuality.

In Romans 1, Paul mentions homosexuality:

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

In 1 Corinthians 6:9 Paul continues preaching:

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate [homosexuals], nor abusers of themselves with mankind…shall inherit the kingdom of God.

And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

And such were thieves, drunkards, and homosexuals but they repented, as Jesus taught: Go, and sin no more.

It is true the word homosexual did not exist before the 1800s, so the Bible used the words effeminate, unnatural affection, and leaving the natural use of.

Point blank: you do not have the holy spirit if God if your beliefs contradict the Bible, which was written by men under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. You are a worker of iniquity saying the Bibles approves of homosexuality.

Your fixation on homosexuality says a lot about you. Jesus never talked about homosexuality, but He did talk about loving your neighbor, and He didn't just mean Joe Schmoe down the street.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The term "homosexual" first entered English Bible translations in 1946 with the Revised Standard Version (RSV), which translated Greek terms in 1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10 using this word. Before this, translations referred to specific acts, not a sexual orientation.

MAN not the HOLY SPIRIT added homosexuality.

+1

Everyone know what to lay with a man like laying with a woman means.

lol.

By focusing on acts your making the same argument as the prat away the gay people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is a conservative Christian?

I am a conservative Christian. That means the Bible is the word of God and I follow the fundamental teachings therein. Because God is opposed to homosexuality (God did not create homosexuals just as God did not create child molesters and perverts), I cannot support a church or political party that supports and approves of homosexuality, as well as abortion.

This means I cannot vote Democrat. I support ICE because it is removing lawless and criminal people —ILLEGAL aliens, from America. I voted for this.

Liberal Christians have a form of Godliness but reject what God says about morality. Most abortions are the result of fornication and adultery but liberal Christians stand with the ungodly on this issue as they do with homosexuality.

Liberal Christians quote Jesus about helping the poor and hungry., and we should. However, illegal aliens are invaders and infiltrators, scammers, drug pushers, pimps, and traffickers of children to satisfy the sexual appetites of the perverse.

Doing good works is good but without repentance it is in vain.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

You are working iniquity by aiding and abetting the lawless, interfering and obstructing agents of the law to deport the lawless, and for refusing to believe what God says about homosexuality, instead twisting and omitting scripture, doing the same as Satan saying, “Has God really said? The church has gotten it wrong for over a thousand years because we have decided what God really meant rather than what he said by the Holy Spirit.”

You are 100% wrong about the bolded. The vast majority of illegal immigrants are not "scammers, drug pushers, pimps, and traffickers of children to satisfy the sexual appetites of the perverse.". You are watching way to much conspiracy theory crap. It's scary how much the MAGA crowd have bought into this. It's like how the Germans bought into the ugly stereotypes of Jews. You remind me of those Germans. If you lived in Germany back then, you'd say the same thing about Jews, and think the Gestapo are doing "God's work" rounding up Jews. Scary, and completely un-Christlike. I'll pray for your soul so that you may see the light.

The evil doers here are ICE. Have you seen their tactics, and how they take away children even as there are other relatives there who are willing to take the child? ICE is punishing the parents by putting the children in cages. That picture of the 5 yr old with a backpack being taken by ICE haunts me. Just Deplorable.

In this country, everyone has a right to due process, including illegal immigrants. Heck, even the Bible says they deserve justice.

Jesus said to welcome the foreigner. And, Jesus himself broke man's laws to help people.

‘Cursed is anyone who withholds justice from the foreigner, the fatherless or the widow.’ Then all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’
Deuteronomy 27:19 (NIV)

Contribute to the needs of the saints; extend hospitality to strangers.
Romans 12:13

Owe no one anything, except to love one another; for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.
Romans 13:8


I used to be like you - hateful Christian full of fire and brimstone. It took me a long time to understand the true meaning of the Love and Grace of God.

- former R

If you want to think illegal aliens are not invaders and infiltrators, have at it. Let them overrun our nation like a horde of rats, turning our great, God-blessed nation into a godless hellhole from which they came, their evil deeds and hearts the cause of their country cursed.

I am all for helping people in need, just as I am giving yhe heave-ho to people who do not belong here because they are lawless.

Your support for these lawless people tell your character and where your disloyalty to America and its immigration laws, which are there to protect American citizens.

All nations have laws as to who can come and live in the country as well as avail themselves of public services.

oh, my lord. You are like those Germans who were ok with the Nazis.

Newsflash: Jesus did not care about your citizenship or what country you were from. He came to seek and save the lost, not the self righteous bigots.

You hide your hatred and racism behind religion. It's no wonder more and more people are turning away from Christianity. You are a prime example of the hypocrisy within Christianity.

The reference to German fascism is always entertaining, it is perhaps the purest anti-Christian movement in western civilization for the past several hundred years.

[Anonymous]

It's nice to think that the position of the Catholic Church is coming from morality, but do you think that if the majority of immigrants were not from Catholic countries their position would be the same? Immigration from South and Central America may be the only thing keeping the Catholic Church from extinction in the US.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I see you OP. Any topic just to get politics into the recent topic section. LAME.

This is very much a spiritual issue.

It really is not.

Spiritual = Relates to the "spirit" or soul, transcending mere physical existence.

Immigration is very much related to physical existence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is a conservative Christian?

I am a conservative Christian. That means the Bible is the word of God and I follow the fundamental teachings therein. Because God is opposed to homosexuality (God did not create homosexuals just as God did not create child molesters and perverts), I cannot support a church or political party that supports and approves of homosexuality, as well as abortion.

This means I cannot vote Democrat. I support ICE because it is removing lawless and criminal people —ILLEGAL aliens, from America. I voted for this.

Liberal Christians have a form of Godliness but reject what God says about morality. Most abortions are the result of fornication and adultery but liberal Christians stand with the ungodly on this issue as they do with homosexuality.

Liberal Christians quote Jesus about helping the poor and hungry., and we should. However, illegal aliens are invaders and infiltrators, scammers, drug pushers, pimps, and traffickers of children to satisfy the sexual appetites of the perverse.

Doing good works is good but without repentance it is in vain.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

You are working iniquity by aiding and abetting the lawless, interfering and obstructing agents of the law to deport the lawless, and for refusing to believe what God says about homosexuality, instead twisting and omitting scripture, doing the same as Satan saying, “Has God really said? The church has gotten it wrong for over a thousand years because we have decided what God really meant rather than what he said by the Holy Spirit.”

You are 100% wrong about the bolded. The vast majority of illegal immigrants are not "scammers, drug pushers, pimps, and traffickers of children to satisfy the sexual appetites of the perverse.". You are watching way to much conspiracy theory crap. It's scary how much the MAGA crowd have bought into this. It's like how the Germans bought into the ugly stereotypes of Jews. You remind me of those Germans. If you lived in Germany back then, you'd say the same thing about Jews, and think the Gestapo are doing "God's work" rounding up Jews. Scary, and completely un-Christlike. I'll pray for your soul so that you may see the light.

The evil doers here are ICE. Have you seen their tactics, and how they take away children even as there are other relatives there who are willing to take the child? ICE is punishing the parents by putting the children in cages. That picture of the 5 yr old with a backpack being taken by ICE haunts me. Just Deplorable.

In this country, everyone has a right to due process, including illegal immigrants. Heck, even the Bible says they deserve justice.

Jesus said to welcome the foreigner. And, Jesus himself broke man's laws to help people.

‘Cursed is anyone who withholds justice from the foreigner, the fatherless or the widow.’ Then all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’
Deuteronomy 27:19 (NIV)

Contribute to the needs of the saints; extend hospitality to strangers.
Romans 12:13

Owe no one anything, except to love one another; for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.
Romans 13:8


I used to be like you - hateful Christian full of fire and brimstone. It took me a long time to understand the true meaning of the Love and Grace of God.

- former R

If you want to think illegal aliens are not invaders and infiltrators, have at it. Let them overrun our nation like a horde of rats, turning our great, God-blessed nation into a godless hellhole from which they came, their evil deeds and hearts the cause of their country cursed.

I am all for helping people in need, just as I am giving yhe heave-ho to people who do not belong here because they are lawless.

Your support for these lawless people tell your character and where your disloyalty to America and its immigration laws, which are there to protect American citizens.

All nations have laws as to who can come and live in the country as well as avail themselves of public services.

oh, my lord. You are like those Germans who were ok with the Nazis.

Newsflash: Jesus did not care about your citizenship or what country you were from. He came to seek and save the lost, not the self righteous bigots.

You hide your hatred and racism behind religion. It's no wonder more and more people are turning away from Christianity. You are a prime example of the hypocrisy within Christianity.

The reference to German fascism is always entertaining, it is perhaps the purest anti-Christian movement in western civilization for the past several hundred years.

and lots of so called good Christians looked the other way when the Nazis were committing atrocities, including some priests.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Many appalling campaigns have been undertaken throughout western history in the name of Christianity.
A few choice examples -
Crusades
The Inquisition
The support of the slave trade
Oh, and that thing that happened to Galileo

Christians need to get off their high horse when picking and choosing their cause celebre.

Slavery has always existed and still exists today in very large numbers. Christians were among the first to end it at significant scale.

Universities and modern science are a result of the Christian church.

The crusades were a response to Muslim colonization and conquest.

Educate yourself.

The one who needs an education is you.

You can’t really claim Christians ended slavery without mentioning that Christians started and sustained the transatlantic slave trade for centuries using the Bible as their primary legal defense. If it takes 1,800 years for a religion to decide ‘maybe kidnapping people is bad,’ that’s not exactly a moral head start. Abolition happened because of a shift toward secular humanism and Enlightenment values that forced the Church to finally change its mind.

The Church didn’t 'invent' science. It preserved some Greek and Roman texts, while it also occasionally burned or banned them. And let’s not forget the Islamic Golden Age, which gave us algebra, optics, and the foundations of modern medicine while Europe was still in the Dark Ages. If the Church was so pro-science, why did it take until 1992 for them to officially admit Galileo was right about the Earth moving?

While the First Crusade was indeed framed as a response to the Byzantine Emperor’s plea for help against Seljuk advances, the subsequent centuries of Crusades involved complex political ambitions, the horrific sack of Christian Constantinople (1204), and the persecution of Jewish communities in Europe. To frame them solely as a defensive response overlooks the territorial and papal power struggles that fueled the era.

You can now count yourself as having been schooled.

So because one new trade route was created for a practice that had been in existence for millennia, they are responsible.

No one buys that lame as& argument.

Read a history book and get back to us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's nice to think that the position of the Catholic Church is coming from morality, but do you think that if the majority of immigrants were not from Catholic countries their position would be the same? Immigration from South and Central America may be the only thing keeping the Catholic Church from extinction in the US.

yes, I do believe they would still hold the same position. The Catholic church has always championed the poor, even as the church is wealthy.

I think Vance should not be allowed to have communion.

[Anonymous]

When Jesus comes back, what happens to the man made borders? Will He still care about who is on what side or will the borders be gone and He just cares about how you treat people?

[Anonymous]

All of the so-called Christians in this thread seemed to have skipped over Matthew 22:21.