what's the difference btw William & Mary and Wake?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wake has lots of rich kids. W&M prob less so.

Wake has better ROI and can compete outside of regional placement for jobs. It will get closer to top 25 in a few years.

Wak is nowhere near being a top 25

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wake has lots of rich kids. W&M prob less so.

Wake has better ROI and can compete outside of regional placement for jobs. It will get closer to top 25 in a few years.

Wak is nowhere near being a top 25

Dp, but why this again. When us news decides to eliminate the dei factors it’s used for the last year or two, Wake will likely be back on the T30, just as it was for over 25 straight years.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wake has lots of rich kids. W&M prob less so.

Wake has better ROI and can compete outside of regional placement for jobs. It will get closer to top 25 in a few years.

Wak is nowhere near being a top 25

Dp, but why this again. When us news decides to eliminate the dei factors it’s used for the last year or two, Wake will likely be back on the T30, just as it was for over 25 straight years.

Same poster, this is yet another area where Wake and William and Mary are similar. William and Mary also fell more than 20 spots in the rankings in 2024 when the dei factors were added. It’s historical rank is in the 40 range so not a huge difference between the two there

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wake has lots of rich kids. W&M prob less so.

Wake has better ROI and can compete outside of regional placement for jobs. It will get closer to top 25 in a few years.

Wak is nowhere near being a top 25

Dp, but why this again. When us news decides to eliminate the dei factors it’s used for the last year or two, Wake will likely be back on the T30, just as it was for over 25 straight years.

Same poster, this is yet another area where Wake and William and Mary are similar. William and Mary also fell more than 20 spots in the rankings in 2024 when the dei factors were added. It’s historical rank is in the 40 range so not a huge difference between the two there

Meant to say historical rank in the30 to 40 range.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wake has lots of rich kids. W&M prob less so.

Wake has better ROI and can compete outside of regional placement for jobs. It will get closer to top 25 in a few years.

Wak is nowhere near being a top 25

Dp, but why this again. When us news decides to eliminate the dei factors it’s used for the last year or two, Wake will likely be back on the T30, just as it was for over 25 straight years.

But we all know they won't, and since Wake isn't really looking to grow research they'll continue to be punished

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wake has lots of rich kids. W&M prob less so.

Wake has better ROI and can compete outside of regional placement for jobs. It will get closer to top 25 in a few years.

Wak is nowhere near being a top 25

Dp, but why this again. When us news decides to eliminate the dei factors it’s used for the last year or two, Wake will likely be back on the T30, just as it was for over 25 straight years.

But we all know they won't, and since Wake isn't really looking to grow research they'll continue to be punished

So will William and Mary, the schools excel based on class size and having full professors teachers. The research factors are less than 5 percent of score and focus only on overall number of citations. Schools the size of Wake or William and Mary simply can’t compete with the the large flagships on this criteria, they don’t have the same raw numbers of faculty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wake has lots of rich kids. W&M prob less so.

Wake has better ROI and can compete outside of regional placement for jobs. It will get closer to top 25 in a few years.

Wak is nowhere near being a top 25

Dp, but why this again. When us news decides to eliminate the dei factors it’s used for the last year or two, Wake will likely be back on the T30, just as it was for over 25 straight years.

But we all know they won't, and since Wake isn't really looking to grow research they'll continue to be punished

Not sure why you would say Wake is no looking to grow research, they just built a large medical research facility and also added a second campus for their Medical School.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wake has lots of rich kids. W&M prob less so.

Wake has better ROI and can compete outside of regional placement for jobs. It will get closer to top 25 in a few years.

Wak is nowhere near being a top 25

Dp, but why this again. When us news decides to eliminate the dei factors it’s used for the last year or two, Wake will likely be back on the T30, just as it was for over 25 straight years.

But we all know they won't, and since Wake isn't really looking to grow research they'll continue to be punished

So will William and Mary, the schools excel based on class size and having full professors teachers. The research factors are less than 5 percent of score and focus only on overall number of citations. Schools the size of Wake or William and Mary simply can’t compete with the the large flagships on this criteria, they don’t have the same raw numbers of faculty.

W&M is certainly trying to grow research now that it's R1. Will obviously never be able to compete with flagships but it can probably catch up to bigger research privates

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wake has lots of rich kids. W&M prob less so.

Wake has better ROI and can compete outside of regional placement for jobs. It will get closer to top 25 in a few years.

Wak is nowhere near being a top 25

Dp, but why this again. When us news decides to eliminate the dei factors it’s used for the last year or two, Wake will likely be back on the T30, just as it was for over 25 straight years.

But we all know they won't, and since Wake isn't really looking to grow research they'll continue to be punished

Not sure why you would say Wake is no looking to grow research, they just built a large medical research facility and also added a second campus for their Medical School.

They aren't interested in being r1 as far as i can tell - no public strategy of that

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wake has lots of rich kids. W&M prob less so.

Wake has better ROI and can compete outside of regional placement for jobs. It will get closer to top 25 in a few years.

Wak is nowhere near being a top 25

Dp, but why this again. When us news decides to eliminate the dei factors it’s used for the last year or two, Wake will likely be back on the T30, just as it was for over 25 straight years.

But we all know they won't, and since Wake isn't really looking to grow research they'll continue to be punished

So will William and Mary, the schools excel based on class size and having full professors teachers. The research factors are less than 5 percent of score and focus only on overall number of citations. Schools the size of Wake or William and Mary simply can’t compete with the the large flagships on this criteria, they don’t have the same raw numbers of faculty.

W&M is certainly trying to grow research now that it's R1. Will obviously never be able to compete with flagships but it can probably catch up to bigger research privates

Doubtful, it doesn’t even have a medical school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wake has lots of rich kids. W&M prob less so.

Wake has better ROI and can compete outside of regional placement for jobs. It will get closer to top 25 in a few years.

Wak is nowhere near being a top 25

Dp, but why this again. When us news decides to eliminate the dei factors it’s used for the last year or two, Wake will likely be back on the T30, just as it was for over 25 straight years.

But we all know they won't, and since Wake isn't really looking to grow research they'll continue to be punished

Not sure why you would say Wake is no looking to grow research, they just built a large medical research facility and also added a second campus for their Medical School.

They aren't interested in being r1 as far as i can tell - no public strategy of that

R1 just means a certain level of funding has been received. William and Mary does have more research funding at the undergraduate level, but that is in arts and sciences, education, and Marine sciences.

Wake medical school alone has almost four times as much research funding as William and Mary as a whole. That research is accessible to undergraduates. In fact, my own kid easily found a position for this summer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wake has lots of rich kids. W&M prob less so.

Wake has better ROI and can compete outside of regional placement for jobs. It will get closer to top 25 in a few years.

Wak is nowhere near being a top 25

Dp, but why this again. When us news decides to eliminate the dei factors it’s used for the last year or two, Wake will likely be back on the T30, just as it was for over 25 straight years.

But we all know they won't, and since Wake isn't really looking to grow research they'll continue to be punished

So will William and Mary, the schools excel based on class size and having full professors teachers. The research factors are less than 5 percent of score and focus only on overall number of citations. Schools the size of Wake or William and Mary simply can’t compete with the the large flagships on this criteria, they don’t have the same raw numbers of faculty.

W&M is certainly trying to grow research now that it's R1. Will obviously never be able to compete with flagships but it can probably catch up to bigger research privates

Doubtful, it doesn’t even have a medical school.

There are plenty of bigger research schools without a med school. You can still do health related research without one - I imagine the new bioengineering program they're adding will ramp up with that pretty quickly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wake has lots of rich kids. W&M prob less so.

Wake has better ROI and can compete outside of regional placement for jobs. It will get closer to top 25 in a few years.

Wak is nowhere near being a top 25

Dp, but why this again. When us news decides to eliminate the dei factors it’s used for the last year or two, Wake will likely be back on the T30, just as it was for over 25 straight years.

But we all know they won't, and since Wake isn't really looking to grow research they'll continue to be punished

Not sure why you would say Wake is no looking to grow research, they just built a large medical research facility and also added a second campus for their Medical School.

They aren't interested in being r1 as far as i can tell - no public strategy of that

R1 just means a certain level of funding has been received. William and Mary does have more research funding at the undergraduate level, but that is in arts and sciences, education, and Marine sciences.

Wake medical school alone has almost four times as much research funding as William and Mary as a whole. That research is accessible to undergraduates. In fact, my own kid easily found a position for this summer.

And it doesn't count for the rankings so like I said that's the issue Wake has

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wake has lots of rich kids. W&M prob less so.

Wake has better ROI and can compete outside of regional placement for jobs. It will get closer to top 25 in a few years.

Wak is nowhere near being a top 25

Dp, but why this again. When us news decides to eliminate the dei factors it’s used for the last year or two, Wake will likely be back on the T30, just as it was for over 25 straight years.

But we all know they won't, and since Wake isn't really looking to grow research they'll continue to be punished

Not sure why you would say Wake is no looking to grow research, they just built a large medical research facility and also added a second campus for their Medical School.

They aren't interested in being r1 as far as i can tell - no public strategy of that

R1 just means a certain level of funding has been received. William and Mary does have more research funding at the undergraduate level, but that is in arts and sciences, education, and Marine sciences.

Wake medical school alone has almost four times as much research funding as William and Mary as a whole. That research is accessible to undergraduates. In fact, my own kid easily found a position for this summer.

And it doesn't count for the rankings so like I said that's the issue Wake has

The amount of research funding doesn’t count period. For any school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wake has lots of rich kids. W&M prob less so.

Wake has better ROI and can compete outside of regional placement for jobs. It will get closer to top 25 in a few years.

Wak is nowhere near being a top 25

Dp, but why this again. When us news decides to eliminate the dei factors it’s used for the last year or two, Wake will likely be back on the T30, just as it was for over 25 straight years.

But we all know they won't, and since Wake isn't really looking to grow research they'll continue to be punished

Not sure why you would say Wake is no looking to grow research, they just built a large medical research facility and also added a second campus for their Medical School.

They aren't interested in being r1 as far as i can tell - no public strategy of that

R1 just means a certain level of funding has been received. William and Mary does have more research funding at the undergraduate level, but that is in arts and sciences, education, and Marine sciences.

Wake medical school alone has almost four times as much research funding as William and Mary as a whole. That research is accessible to undergraduates. In fact, my own kid easily found a position for this summer.

And it doesn't count for the rankings so like I said that's the issue Wake has

The amount of research funding doesn’t count period. For any school.

More funding => better research => more impressive faculty => more/better citations and placement in better journals => better peer reputation score