Flash Flood in Texas,

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Anonymous wrote:Trump got 77% of the vote in Kerr County, Texas. They voted for the incompetent disassembling of important agencies like NOAA and NWS. Now they are learning firsthand what that means. I'm sorry their children have to die to understand though.

These children would not be alive if Harris had won, and I say that as a Harris voter. You are a vile and immoral person.

But they’d be alive if they were just kept home.

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Anonymous wrote:I have family members at Mystic. They are safe now tonight (picked up by their parents after helicoptering out) but very traumatized. I went to camp in the area as well, I know many families with kids in the camps there, and I know numerous locals who run the camps. It is a very tight-knit community that will never be the same.

Save your politics for another forum please.

But we on DCUM and who work in science and research and government have been saying, then shouting, and now SCREAMING, that these very types of events are going to happen more often and with more intensity if human beings do not stop pumping greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere. And we have been mocked and dismissed and ignore for saying this by politicians and their followers. This is EXACTLY the type of scenario we have been talking about and guess what, it’s going to happen over and over and over again and not just to brown people in countries you don’t care about but to your precious little blond Christian girls too. This just happened in Asheville; when is initial going to be “too soon” to talk about why these things are happening?

And it is POLITICS, specifically ignorant Republican politicians, specifically people like Ted Cruz and Greg Abbott, who are stopping any and all efforts to research the issue so we can prevent it from getting worse or roll it back. It is politics that are stripping away the funding for the research and resources needed to figure out how to mitigate the effects of this and save lives. It is politics that are ensuring that people in government and who conduct federally funded research cannot even SAY climate change; cannot even acknowledge that it might exist. And every time you say “now is not the time” and go off to pray and do jack all nothing, or tell others to shut up about it, you are in fact engaged in a political act impeding government providing services to the people it serves. And that is a HUGE political act itself.

So spare us your lectures. We will not shut up because the urgency of the moment demands that we call out every single one of these tragedies as a harbinger of what is coming. And if you don’t want to hear it, you can stay off DCUM because this community has a lot of people who work on these issues and we are incandescent with rage right now at how Republicans have politicized this issue to keep their corporate masters happy and to keep the money flowing. And this is what happens and let us be clear, is going to happen again and again and again and all the Go Fund Mes in the world aren’t going to be enough.

What is wrong with you????

Do you honestly believe this tragedy wouldn’t have happened if Kamala had been elected? What about the Asheville flooding? Was that Biden’s fault?

There is something seriously wrong with people who make a natural disaster and the death of dozens of innocent people, including children, a political statement. There is nothing the Republicans did to cause this or could have realistically done to prevent it, just as there was nothing the Democrats did or didn’t do for the natural disasters that occurred on their watch.

Natural disasters have happened since the beginning of time (remember the dinosaurs) and will happen for the rest of the Earth’s existence.

Instead of fighting over how politics are at fault, let’s just focus on all the families whose lives were absolutely shattered. I cannot imagine what they’re going through.

That PP was objecting to the gross reference to little white blond Christian girls in that post, and I agree that was disgusting.

I am the poster who responded and bolded that language. You are correct. My objection was to the sneering mocking language used to describe approximately 20 children likely killed in a flood.

Yes, that was absolutely disgusting.

What are you going to do about this tragic event? Just scold anyone that wants to take a look at it and try to prevent it from happening to somebody else? Grow up and take some action and some responsibility for protecting people from danger.

Well, I can tell you what I’m not going to do, and that is that I am not going to mock the race and religion of dead children.

What are you going to do about it?. That is what is being discussed in this thread among other things.

[Anonymous]

I think it is far too early to know exactly what went wrong. I think it’s likely that in the end there are decisions that people wish had made differently. At that time, if some of those decisions were made by local, state or national government, it will be very appropriate for people to campaign for people to vote for better decisions, and perhaps elected officials with different priorities.

But now is the time to search, and pray, and grieve and comfort and collect information that will lead to answers. Pointing fingers and advocating for changes is for another day.

[Anonymous]

Very tragic.

I have always found the whole concept of sleep away summer camps in the wild extremely sketchy and don't understand how parents send their young children to camp in the wilderness.

Extreme weather events, crazy shooters, poisonous snakes and critters, usually rough conditions...why would you let your kid be in camp? Nope.

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Anonymous wrote:I have family members at Mystic. They are safe now tonight (picked up by their parents after helicoptering out) but very traumatized. I went to camp in the area as well, I know many families with kids in the camps there, and I know numerous locals who run the camps. It is a very tight-knit community that will never be the same.

Save your politics for another forum please.

But we on DCUM and who work in science and research and government have been saying, then shouting, and now SCREAMING, that these very types of events are going to happen more often and with more intensity if human beings do not stop pumping greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere. And we have been mocked and dismissed and ignore for saying this by politicians and their followers. This is EXACTLY the type of scenario we have been talking about and guess what, it’s going to happen over and over and over again and not just to brown people in countries you don’t care about but to your precious little blond Christian girls too. This just happened in Asheville; when is initial going to be “too soon” to talk about why these things are happening?

And it is POLITICS, specifically ignorant Republican politicians, specifically people like Ted Cruz and Greg Abbott, who are stopping any and all efforts to research the issue so we can prevent it from getting worse or roll it back. It is politics that are stripping away the funding for the research and resources needed to figure out how to mitigate the effects of this and save lives. It is politics that are ensuring that people in government and who conduct federally funded research cannot even SAY climate change; cannot even acknowledge that it might exist. And every time you say “now is not the time” and go off to pray and do jack all nothing, or tell others to shut up about it, you are in fact engaged in a political act impeding government providing services to the people it serves. And that is a HUGE political act itself.

So spare us your lectures. We will not shut up because the urgency of the moment demands that we call out every single one of these tragedies as a harbinger of what is coming. And if you don’t want to hear it, you can stay off DCUM because this community has a lot of people who work on these issues and we are incandescent with rage right now at how Republicans have politicized this issue to keep their corporate masters happy and to keep the money flowing. And this is what happens and let us be clear, is going to happen again and again and again and all the Go Fund Mes in the world aren’t going to be enough.

What is wrong with you????

Do you honestly believe this tragedy wouldn’t have happened if Kamala had been elected? What about the Asheville flooding? Was that Biden’s fault?

There is something seriously wrong with people who make a natural disaster and the death of dozens of innocent people, including children, a political statement. There is nothing the Republicans did to cause this or could have realistically done to prevent it, just as there was nothing the Democrats did or didn’t do for the natural disasters that occurred on their watch.

Natural disasters have happened since the beginning of time (remember the dinosaurs) and will happen for the rest of the Earth’s existence.

Instead of fighting over how politics are at fault, let’s just focus on all the families whose lives were absolutely shattered. I cannot imagine what they’re going through.

That PP was objecting to the gross reference to little white blond Christian girls in that post, and I agree that was disgusting.

I am the poster who responded and bolded that language. You are correct. My objection was to the sneering mocking language used to describe approximately 20 children likely killed in a flood.

Yes, that was absolutely disgusting.

What are you going to do about this tragic event? Just scold anyone that wants to take a look at it and try to prevent it from happening to somebody else? Grow up and take some action and some responsibility for protecting people from danger.

Well, I can tell you what I’m not going to do, and that is that I am not going to mock the race and religion of dead children.

What are you going to do about it?. That is what is being discussed in this thread among other things.

I'm going to continue to vote in my family's own best interest, I'm not gonna bury my head in the sand and pretend that global warming doesn't exist.

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Anonymous wrote:I have family members at Mystic. They are safe now tonight (picked up by their parents after helicoptering out) but very traumatized. I went to camp in the area as well, I know many families with kids in the camps there, and I know numerous locals who run the camps. It is a very tight-knit community that will never be the same.

Save your politics for another forum please.

But we on DCUM and who work in science and research and government have been saying, then shouting, and now SCREAMING, that these very types of events are going to happen more often and with more intensity if human beings do not stop pumping greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere. And we have been mocked and dismissed and ignore for saying this by politicians and their followers. This is EXACTLY the type of scenario we have been talking about and guess what, it’s going to happen over and over and over again and not just to brown people in countries you don’t care about but to your precious little blond Christian girls too. This just happened in Asheville; when is initial going to be “too soon” to talk about why these things are happening?

And it is POLITICS, specifically ignorant Republican politicians, specifically people like Ted Cruz and Greg Abbott, who are stopping any and all efforts to research the issue so we can prevent it from getting worse or roll it back. It is politics that are stripping away the funding for the research and resources needed to figure out how to mitigate the effects of this and save lives. It is politics that are ensuring that people in government and who conduct federally funded research cannot even SAY climate change; cannot even acknowledge that it might exist. And every time you say “now is not the time” and go off to pray and do jack all nothing, or tell others to shut up about it, you are in fact engaged in a political act impeding government providing services to the people it serves. And that is a HUGE political act itself.

So spare us your lectures. We will not shut up because the urgency of the moment demands that we call out every single one of these tragedies as a harbinger of what is coming. And if you don’t want to hear it, you can stay off DCUM because this community has a lot of people who work on these issues and we are incandescent with rage right now at how Republicans have politicized this issue to keep their corporate masters happy and to keep the money flowing. And this is what happens and let us be clear, is going to happen again and again and again and all the Go Fund Mes in the world aren’t going to be enough.

What is wrong with you????

Do you honestly believe this tragedy wouldn’t have happened if Kamala had been elected? What about the Asheville flooding? Was that Biden’s fault?

There is something seriously wrong with people who make a natural disaster and the death of dozens of innocent people, including children, a political statement. There is nothing the Republicans did to cause this or could have realistically done to prevent it, just as there was nothing the Democrats did or didn’t do for the natural disasters that occurred on their watch.

Natural disasters have happened since the beginning of time (remember the dinosaurs) and will happen for the rest of the Earth’s existence.

Instead of fighting over how politics are at fault, let’s just focus on all the families whose lives were absolutely shattered. I cannot imagine what they’re going through.

That PP was objecting to the gross reference to little white blond Christian girls in that post, and I agree that was disgusting.

I am the poster who responded and bolded that language. You are correct. My objection was to the sneering mocking language used to describe approximately 20 children likely killed in a flood.

Yes, that was absolutely disgusting.

What are you going to do about this tragic event? Just scold anyone that wants to take a look at it and try to prevent it from happening to somebody else? Grow up and take some action and some responsibility for protecting people from danger.

Well, I can tell you what I’m not going to do, and that is that I am not going to mock the race and religion of dead children.

What are you going to do about it?.

A lot more than you, who apparently believes mocking the race and religion of dead drowned children on an internet message board is “doing something.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Trump got 77% of the vote in Kerr County, Texas. They voted for the incompetent disassembling of important agencies like NOAA and NWS. Now they are learning firsthand what that means. I'm sorry their children have to die to understand though.

These children would not be alive if Harris had won, and I say that as a Harris voter. You are a vile and immoral person.

But they’d be alive if they were just kept home.

Sure but the PP is saying that these children would have survived a flash flood if Harris had won. That is delusional at best, and grotesquely manipulative at worst.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Very tragic.

I have always found the whole concept of sleep away summer camps in the wild extremely sketchy and don't understand how parents send their young children to camp in the wilderness.

Extreme weather events, crazy shooters, poisonous snakes and critters, usually rough conditions...why would you let your kid be in camp? Nope.

Quit trying to dictate and enforce a boundary on discussion. Allowing for a "thoughts and prayers" period is what undermines acknowledgment of hard truths. This is the time to discuss and demand accountability. Texas leaders are having no problem trying to point fingers at the Federal govt right out of the gate.

[Anonymous]

Interesting feature article on the camp from 2011, which cost $4400/month 14 years ago. I’m guessing it’s significantly more now.

https://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/the-not-so-happy-campers/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It wouldn’t be that hard to have some sort of water sensor that sets off an alarm if water reaches a certain point. People already have these on boats and in basements, and been for bed-wetters for crying out loud.

Seems like a good idea.

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Anonymous wrote:Very tragic.

I have always found the whole concept of sleep away summer camps in the wild extremely sketchy and don't understand how parents send their young children to camp in the wilderness.

Extreme weather events, crazy shooters, poisonous snakes and critters, usually rough conditions...why would you let your kid be in camp? Nope.

The reality is something like this is extremely statistically rare. It’s incredibly tragic and lessons need to be learned from it. But, camp has so many benefits for kids. My 9 year old is at one now and having an amazing time. I will send her again next year just as I send my kid to school despite the similarly statistically rare possibility of a school shooting. Tragic, unexpected, heart wrenching for the parents. But we have to live life. We can’t put kids in a bubble.

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Anonymous wrote:I have family members at Mystic. They are safe now tonight (picked up by their parents after helicoptering out) but very traumatized. I went to camp in the area as well, I know many families with kids in the camps there, and I know numerous locals who run the camps. It is a very tight-knit community that will never be the same.

Save your politics for another forum please.

But we on DCUM and who work in science and research and government have been saying, then shouting, and now SCREAMING, that these very types of events are going to happen more often and with more intensity if human beings do not stop pumping greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere. And we have been mocked and dismissed and ignore for saying this by politicians and their followers. This is EXACTLY the type of scenario we have been talking about and guess what, it’s going to happen over and over and over again and not just to brown people in countries you don’t care about but to your precious little blond Christian girls too. This just happened in Asheville; when is initial going to be “too soon” to talk about why these things are happening?

And it is POLITICS, specifically ignorant Republican politicians, specifically people like Ted Cruz and Greg Abbott, who are stopping any and all efforts to research the issue so we can prevent it from getting worse or roll it back. It is politics that are stripping away the funding for the research and resources needed to figure out how to mitigate the effects of this and save lives. It is politics that are ensuring that people in government and who conduct federally funded research cannot even SAY climate change; cannot even acknowledge that it might exist. And every time you say “now is not the time” and go off to pray and do jack all nothing, or tell others to shut up about it, you are in fact engaged in a political act impeding government providing services to the people it serves. And that is a HUGE political act itself.

So spare us your lectures. We will not shut up because the urgency of the moment demands that we call out every single one of these tragedies as a harbinger of what is coming. And if you don’t want to hear it, you can stay off DCUM because this community has a lot of people who work on these issues and we are incandescent with rage right now at how Republicans have politicized this issue to keep their corporate masters happy and to keep the money flowing. And this is what happens and let us be clear, is going to happen again and again and again and all the Go Fund Mes in the world aren’t going to be enough.

What is wrong with you????

Do you honestly believe this tragedy wouldn’t have happened if Kamala had been elected? What about the Asheville flooding? Was that Biden’s fault?

There is something seriously wrong with people who make a natural disaster and the death of dozens of innocent people, including children, a political statement. There is nothing the Republicans did to cause this or could have realistically done to prevent it, just as there was nothing the Democrats did or didn’t do for the natural disasters that occurred on their watch.

Natural disasters have happened since the beginning of time (remember the dinosaurs) and will happen for the rest of the Earth’s existence.

Instead of fighting over how politics are at fault, let’s just focus on all the families whose lives were absolutely shattered. I cannot imagine what they’re going through.

That PP was objecting to the gross reference to little white blond Christian girls in that post, and I agree that was disgusting.

I am the poster who responded and bolded that language. You are correct. My objection was to the sneering mocking language used to describe approximately 20 children likely killed in a flood.

Yes, that was absolutely disgusting.

What are you going to do about this tragic event? Just scold anyone that wants to take a look at it and try to prevent it from happening to somebody else? Grow up and take some action and some responsibility for protecting people from danger.

Well, I can tell you what I’m not going to do, and that is that I am not going to mock the race and religion of dead children.

What are you going to do about it?.

A lot more than you, who apparently believes mocking the race and religion of dead drowned children on an internet message board is “doing something.”

You're not answering the question and no one is mocking the people that were lost in the flood. You focus on scolding people if you think that's going to protect anyone from a flood. And make sure you vote for people that think it's more important to keep dollars in their bank accounts and their friends bank accounts then try to prevent the loss of human life.

I'll focus on solutions and science and data collection and analysis and flood mitigation and warning systems and protection of human life.

[Anonymous]

JFC. Some of you are beyond disgusting. No friggin' wonder you have a moron in the White House. Children are DEAD.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Trump got 77% of the vote in Kerr County, Texas. They voted for the incompetent disassembling of important agencies like NOAA and NWS. Now they are learning firsthand what that means. I'm sorry their children have to die to understand though.

These children would not be alive if Harris had won, and I say that as a Harris voter. You are a vile and immoral person.

But they’d be alive if they were just kept home.

Sadly, you could say the same thing about sending them to school these days. No one’s doing anything about that, either.

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Anonymous wrote:A forecast of tremendous amounts of rain causing flooding seems incredibly easy to predict and foresee.

There was a flash flood watch and then a warning. The meteorologists did their job.

This river was very well known to flood. So decision-makers were aware of the possibility.

It comes down to paying for and installing the means of warning people. Clearly that fell short.

So like a radio or a cell phone?

Yes, the camp should have had someone monitoring that through the night. It sounds like counselors were woken up by water coming into the cabins, far too late to get everyone out.

Someone might not get a full night's rest. That's unfair!

Go watch the video someone posted up thread. It wouldn’t have mattered. The cabins were just too close to the water

Claiming that it is impossible to take a look at what happened and try to prevent it is stupid and irresponsible. Yes, when they gave the highest alert I think it was at 4:35 in the morning or whenever it was .....get those campers the hell out of there immediately. It's what anyone would do in that situation.

Take some responsibility for protecting your family and other people that are in your care From catastrophic weather events. Why is this even a question?

If you read the news reports, the camp director died in this. She was almost assuredly trying to get the girls out but there wasn’t time. Yes, we need to learn from this (perhaps not putting cabins right near rivers is a start) but this was a tragic event that was not foreseeable given the camp has been running successfully for over a century!

I think camps near water sources need permanent flash flood detectors near the shore — if they detect water they blow an air raid siren.

Sounds like something that would require regulations, which the powers that be are gleefully dismantling.

Sounds like something that young children would have fun triggering in the middle of the night.