Flash Flood in Texas,

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Anonymous wrote:A forecast of tremendous amounts of rain causing flooding seems incredibly easy to predict and foresee.

There was a flash flood watch and then a warning. The meteorologists did their job.

This river was very well known to flood. So decision-makers were aware of the possibility.

It comes down to paying for and installing the means of warning people. Clearly that fell short.

So like a radio or a cell phone?

Yes, the camp should have had someone monitoring that through the night. It sounds like counselors were woken up by water coming into the cabins, far too late to get everyone out.

Someone might not get a full night's rest. That's unfair!

Go watch the video someone posted up thread. It wouldn’t have mattered. The cabins were just too close to the water

The older kids in the cabins farther up the hill made it out. They could’ve relocated the kids in the lower lying cabins. But again, maybe don’t pack off an 8 year old to camp. Just because “everyone does it” doesn’t mean you have to.

There wasn't time!! Are you serious?? They had seconds.

The day before. Based on the incoming rain.

No one knew that far in advance that the storm would dump that much rain that quickly. The camp has been there 100 years and rain has never been a problem before. They didn’t know.

They knew enough to know that someone should probably monitor overnight. They were clearly asleep. Literally.

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Anonymous wrote:A forecast of tremendous amounts of rain causing flooding seems incredibly easy to predict and foresee.

There was a flash flood watch and then a warning. The meteorologists did their job.

This river was very well known to flood. So decision-makers were aware of the possibility.

It comes down to paying for and installing the means of warning people. Clearly that fell short.

So like a radio or a cell phone?

Yes, the camp should have had someone monitoring that through the night. It sounds like counselors were woken up by water coming into the cabins, far too late to get everyone out.

Someone might not get a full night's rest. That's unfair!

Go watch the video someone posted up thread. It wouldn’t have mattered. The cabins were just too close to the water

The older kids in the cabins farther up the hill made it out. They could’ve relocated the kids in the lower lying cabins. But again, maybe don’t pack off an 8 year old to camp. Just because “everyone does it” doesn’t mean you have to.

There wasn't time!! Are you serious?? They had seconds.

The day before. Based on the incoming rain.

If 20 out of 700+ campers of this camp are unaccounted for, then perhaps there might have been time to get everyone out if the evacuation plan had been rehearsed. You rehearse safety drills for just there moments, when you need to wake up young kids from deep sleep in an absolute emergency.

But people don't do that, because camp is made to be fun, and people are lulled into believing that catastrophic weather events only happen to others. This has a political component to it, that other posters have pointed out.

From a meteorological standpoint, it was very difficult to predict in advance, with the tools available, that so much localized rainfall would pour down in such a short amount of time, and that waters would rise so quickly. The models are currently not developed enough. We need more funding to develop better models. Also, we need more rain gauges and more round the clock personnel, to better monitor rainfall and thus send out warnings earlier. Guess what? None of these things are happening, even in our rapidly warming planet where such events will become more and more frequent.

So what can the average person do? Push leaders to spend more on climate change measures, re-assess the location of camps and other residential buildings, and drill evacuation plans.

They did have emergency training, including flood training. While 23 lives is 23 too many, the fact that 725 campers were safe suggests they were able to do something. Unless things have changed since I was a camper there, more than half the cabins were on the lower ground, which means they were able to get many kids uphill rather quickly.

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Anonymous wrote:A forecast of tremendous amounts of rain causing flooding seems incredibly easy to predict and foresee.

There was a flash flood watch and then a warning. The meteorologists did their job.

This river was very well known to flood. So decision-makers were aware of the possibility.

It comes down to paying for and installing the means of warning people. Clearly that fell short.

So like a radio or a cell phone?

Yes, the camp should have had someone monitoring that through the night. It sounds like counselors were woken up by water coming into the cabins, far too late to get everyone out.

Someone might not get a full night's rest. That's unfair!

Go watch the video someone posted up thread. It wouldn’t have mattered. The cabins were just too close to the water

Claiming that it is impossible to take a look at what happened and try to prevent it is stupid and irresponsible. Yes, when they gave the highest alert I think it was at 4:35 in the morning or whenever it was .....get those campers the hell out of there immediately. It's what anyone would do in that situation.

Take some responsibility for protecting your family and other people that are in your care From catastrophic weather events. Why is this even a question?

If you read the news reports, the camp director died in this. She was almost assuredly trying to get the girls out but there wasn’t time. Yes, we need to learn from this (perhaps not putting cabins right near rivers is a start) but this was a tragic event that was not foreseeable given the camp has been running successfully for over a century!

Why don’t you go to the funeral of those children and tell your crap take to them.

This could have been avoided Republicans just killers kids with their Christian crap

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Anonymous wrote:I have family members at Mystic. They are safe now tonight (picked up by their parents after helicoptering out) but very traumatized. I went to camp in the area as well, I know many families with kids in the camps there, and I know numerous locals who run the camps. It is a very tight-knit community that will never be the same.

Save your politics for another forum please.

But we on DCUM and who work in science and research and government have been saying, then shouting, and now SCREAMING, that these very types of events are going to happen more often and with more intensity if human beings do not stop pumping greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere. And we have been mocked and dismissed and ignore for saying this by politicians and their followers. This is EXACTLY the type of scenario we have been talking about and guess what, it’s going to happen over and over and over again and not just to brown people in countries you don’t care about but to your precious little blond Christian girls too. This just happened in Asheville; when is initial going to be “too soon” to talk about why these things are happening?

And it is POLITICS, specifically ignorant Republican politicians, specifically people like Ted Cruz and Greg Abbott, who are stopping any and all efforts to research the issue so we can prevent it from getting worse or roll it back. It is politics that are stripping away the funding for the research and resources needed to figure out how to mitigate the effects of this and save lives. It is politics that are ensuring that people in government and who conduct federally funded research cannot even SAY climate change; cannot even acknowledge that it might exist. And every time you say “now is not the time” and go off to pray and do jack all nothing, or tell others to shut up about it, you are in fact engaged in a political act impeding government providing services to the people it serves. And that is a HUGE political act itself.

So spare us your lectures. We will not shut up because the urgency of the moment demands that we call out every single one of these tragedies as a harbinger of what is coming. And if you don’t want to hear it, you can stay off DCUM because this community has a lot of people who work on these issues and we are incandescent with rage right now at how Republicans have politicized this issue to keep their corporate masters happy and to keep the money flowing. And this is what happens and let us be clear, is going to happen again and again and again and all the Go Fund Mes in the world aren’t going to be enough.

What is wrong with you????

Do you honestly believe this tragedy wouldn’t have happened if Kamala had been elected? What about the Asheville flooding? Was that Biden’s fault?

There is something seriously wrong with people who make a natural disaster and the death of dozens of innocent people, including children, a political statement. There is nothing the Republicans did to cause this or could have realistically done to prevent it, just as there was nothing the Democrats did or didn’t do for the natural disasters that occurred on their watch.

Natural disasters have happened since the beginning of time (remember the dinosaurs) and will happen for the rest of the Earth’s existence.

Instead of fighting over how politics are at fault, let’s just focus on all the families whose lives were absolutely shattered. I cannot imagine what they’re going through.

This +10000
Our country just becomes more and more divided

[Anonymous]

It wouldn’t be that hard to have some sort of water sensor that sets off an alarm if water reaches a certain point. People already have these on boats and in basements, and been for bed-wetters for crying out loud.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A forecast of tremendous amounts of rain causing flooding seems incredibly easy to predict and foresee.

There was a flash flood watch and then a warning. The meteorologists did their job.

This river was very well known to flood. So decision-makers were aware of the possibility.

It comes down to paying for and installing the means of warning people. Clearly that fell short.

So like a radio or a cell phone?

Yes, the camp should have had someone monitoring that through the night. It sounds like counselors were woken up by water coming into the cabins, far too late to get everyone out.

Someone might not get a full night's rest. That's unfair!

Go watch the video someone posted up thread. It wouldn’t have mattered. The cabins were just too close to the water

Claiming that it is impossible to take a look at what happened and try to prevent it is stupid and irresponsible. Yes, when they gave the highest alert I think it was at 4:35 in the morning or whenever it was .....get those campers the hell out of there immediately. It's what anyone would do in that situation.

Take some responsibility for protecting your family and other people that are in your care From catastrophic weather events. Why is this even a question?

If you read the news reports, the camp director died in this. She was almost assuredly trying to get the girls out but there wasn’t time. Yes, we need to learn from this (perhaps not putting cabins right near rivers is a start) but this was a tragic event that was not foreseeable given the camp has been running successfully for over a century!

I think camps near water sources need permanent flash flood detectors near the shore — if they detect water they blow an air raid siren.

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Anonymous wrote:I have family members at Mystic. They are safe now tonight (picked up by their parents after helicoptering out) but very traumatized. I went to camp in the area as well, I know many families with kids in the camps there, and I know numerous locals who run the camps. It is a very tight-knit community that will never be the same.

Save your politics for another forum please.

But we on DCUM and who work in science and research and government have been saying, then shouting, and now SCREAMING, that these very types of events are going to happen more often and with more intensity if human beings do not stop pumping greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere. And we have been mocked and dismissed and ignore for saying this by politicians and their followers. This is EXACTLY the type of scenario we have been talking about and guess what, it’s going to happen over and over and over again and not just to brown people in countries you don’t care about but to your precious little blond Christian girls too. This just happened in Asheville; when is initial going to be “too soon” to talk about why these things are happening?

And it is POLITICS, specifically ignorant Republican politicians, specifically people like Ted Cruz and Greg Abbott, who are stopping any and all efforts to research the issue so we can prevent it from getting worse or roll it back. It is politics that are stripping away the funding for the research and resources needed to figure out how to mitigate the effects of this and save lives. It is politics that are ensuring that people in government and who conduct federally funded research cannot even SAY climate change; cannot even acknowledge that it might exist. And every time you say “now is not the time” and go off to pray and do jack all nothing, or tell others to shut up about it, you are in fact engaged in a political act impeding government providing services to the people it serves. And that is a HUGE political act itself.

So spare us your lectures. We will not shut up because the urgency of the moment demands that we call out every single one of these tragedies as a harbinger of what is coming. And if you don’t want to hear it, you can stay off DCUM because this community has a lot of people who work on these issues and we are incandescent with rage right now at how Republicans have politicized this issue to keep their corporate masters happy and to keep the money flowing. And this is what happens and let us be clear, is going to happen again and again and again and all the Go Fund Mes in the world aren’t going to be enough.

What is wrong with you????

Do you honestly believe this tragedy wouldn’t have happened if Kamala had been elected? What about the Asheville flooding? Was that Biden’s fault?

There is something seriously wrong with people who make a natural disaster and the death of dozens of innocent people, including children, a political statement. There is nothing the Republicans did to cause this or could have realistically done to prevent it, just as there was nothing the Democrats did or didn’t do for the natural disasters that occurred on their watch.

Natural disasters have happened since the beginning of time (remember the dinosaurs) and will happen for the rest of the Earth’s existence.

Instead of fighting over how politics are at fault, let’s just focus on all the families whose lives were absolutely shattered. I cannot imagine what they’re going through.

It is not enough to just mourn the tragedy. That is not enough. That is Un-American. Why did it happen and what are we going to do about it?. If all we ever did was mourn a tragedy, our life expectancy would still be 35 years old. We are not helpless in the face of flash flooding. It's absolutely going to become more frequent and do something to protect yourself and your family.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A forecast of tremendous amounts of rain causing flooding seems incredibly easy to predict and foresee.

There was a flash flood watch and then a warning. The meteorologists did their job.

This river was very well known to flood. So decision-makers were aware of the possibility.

It comes down to paying for and installing the means of warning people. Clearly that fell short.

So like a radio or a cell phone?

Yes, the camp should have had someone monitoring that through the night. It sounds like counselors were woken up by water coming into the cabins, far too late to get everyone out.

Someone might not get a full night's rest. That's unfair!

Go watch the video someone posted up thread. It wouldn’t have mattered. The cabins were just too close to the water

Claiming that it is impossible to take a look at what happened and try to prevent it is stupid and irresponsible. Yes, when they gave the highest alert I think it was at 4:35 in the morning or whenever it was .....get those campers the hell out of there immediately. It's what anyone would do in that situation.

Take some responsibility for protecting your family and other people that are in your care From catastrophic weather events. Why is this even a question?

If you read the news reports, the camp director died in this. She was almost assuredly trying to get the girls out but there wasn’t time. Yes, we need to learn from this (perhaps not putting cabins right near rivers is a start) but this was a tragic event that was not foreseeable given the camp has been running successfully for over a century!

I think camps near water sources need permanent flash flood detectors near the shore — if they detect water they blow an air raid siren.

Sounds like something that would require regulations, which the powers that be are gleefully dismantling.

[Anonymous]

Trump got 77% of the vote in Kerr County, Texas. They voted for the incompetent disassembling of important agencies like NOAA and NWS. Now they are learning firsthand what that means. I'm sorry their children have to die to understand though.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have family members at Mystic. They are safe now tonight (picked up by their parents after helicoptering out) but very traumatized. I went to camp in the area as well, I know many families with kids in the camps there, and I know numerous locals who run the camps. It is a very tight-knit community that will never be the same.

Save your politics for another forum please.

But we on DCUM and who work in science and research and government have been saying, then shouting, and now SCREAMING, that these very types of events are going to happen more often and with more intensity if human beings do not stop pumping greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere. And we have been mocked and dismissed and ignore for saying this by politicians and their followers. This is EXACTLY the type of scenario we have been talking about and guess what, it’s going to happen over and over and over again and not just to brown people in countries you don’t care about but to your precious little blond Christian girls too. This just happened in Asheville; when is initial going to be “too soon” to talk about why these things are happening?

And it is POLITICS, specifically ignorant Republican politicians, specifically people like Ted Cruz and Greg Abbott, who are stopping any and all efforts to research the issue so we can prevent it from getting worse or roll it back. It is politics that are stripping away the funding for the research and resources needed to figure out how to mitigate the effects of this and save lives. It is politics that are ensuring that people in government and who conduct federally funded research cannot even SAY climate change; cannot even acknowledge that it might exist. And every time you say “now is not the time” and go off to pray and do jack all nothing, or tell others to shut up about it, you are in fact engaged in a political act impeding government providing services to the people it serves. And that is a HUGE political act itself.

So spare us your lectures. We will not shut up because the urgency of the moment demands that we call out every single one of these tragedies as a harbinger of what is coming. And if you don’t want to hear it, you can stay off DCUM because this community has a lot of people who work on these issues and we are incandescent with rage right now at how Republicans have politicized this issue to keep their corporate masters happy and to keep the money flowing. And this is what happens and let us be clear, is going to happen again and again and again and all the Go Fund Mes in the world aren’t going to be enough.

What is wrong with you????

Do you honestly believe this tragedy wouldn’t have happened if Kamala had been elected? What about the Asheville flooding? Was that Biden’s fault?

There is something seriously wrong with people who make a natural disaster and the death of dozens of innocent people, including children, a political statement. There is nothing the Republicans did to cause this or could have realistically done to prevent it, just as there was nothing the Democrats did or didn’t do for the natural disasters that occurred on their watch.

Natural disasters have happened since the beginning of time (remember the dinosaurs) and will happen for the rest of the Earth’s existence.

Instead of fighting over how politics are at fault, let’s just focus on all the families whose lives were absolutely shattered. I cannot imagine what they’re going through.

That PP was objecting to the gross reference to little white blond Christian girls in that post, and I agree that was disgusting.

I am the poster who responded and bolded that language. You are correct. My objection was to the sneering mocking language used to describe approximately 20 children likely killed in a flood.

Yes, that was absolutely disgusting.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have family members at Mystic. They are safe now tonight (picked up by their parents after helicoptering out) but very traumatized. I went to camp in the area as well, I know many families with kids in the camps there, and I know numerous locals who run the camps. It is a very tight-knit community that will never be the same.

Save your politics for another forum please.

But we on DCUM and who work in science and research and government have been saying, then shouting, and now SCREAMING, that these very types of events are going to happen more often and with more intensity if human beings do not stop pumping greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere. And we have been mocked and dismissed and ignore for saying this by politicians and their followers. This is EXACTLY the type of scenario we have been talking about and guess what, it’s going to happen over and over and over again and not just to brown people in countries you don’t care about but to your precious little blond Christian girls too. This just happened in Asheville; when is initial going to be “too soon” to talk about why these things are happening?

And it is POLITICS, specifically ignorant Republican politicians, specifically people like Ted Cruz and Greg Abbott, who are stopping any and all efforts to research the issue so we can prevent it from getting worse or roll it back. It is politics that are stripping away the funding for the research and resources needed to figure out how to mitigate the effects of this and save lives. It is politics that are ensuring that people in government and who conduct federally funded research cannot even SAY climate change; cannot even acknowledge that it might exist. And every time you say “now is not the time” and go off to pray and do jack all nothing, or tell others to shut up about it, you are in fact engaged in a political act impeding government providing services to the people it serves. And that is a HUGE political act itself.

So spare us your lectures. We will not shut up because the urgency of the moment demands that we call out every single one of these tragedies as a harbinger of what is coming. And if you don’t want to hear it, you can stay off DCUM because this community has a lot of people who work on these issues and we are incandescent with rage right now at how Republicans have politicized this issue to keep their corporate masters happy and to keep the money flowing. And this is what happens and let us be clear, is going to happen again and again and again and all the Go Fund Mes in the world aren’t going to be enough.

What is wrong with you????

Do you honestly believe this tragedy wouldn’t have happened if Kamala had been elected? What about the Asheville flooding? Was that Biden’s fault?

There is something seriously wrong with people who make a natural disaster and the death of dozens of innocent people, including children, a political statement. There is nothing the Republicans did to cause this or could have realistically done to prevent it, just as there was nothing the Democrats did or didn’t do for the natural disasters that occurred on their watch.

Natural disasters have happened since the beginning of time (remember the dinosaurs) and will happen for the rest of the Earth’s existence.

Instead of fighting over how politics are at fault, let’s just focus on all the families whose lives were absolutely shattered. I cannot imagine what they’re going through.

That PP was objecting to the gross reference to little white blond Christian girls in that post, and I agree that was disgusting.

I am the poster who responded and bolded that language. You are correct. My objection was to the sneering mocking language used to describe approximately 20 children likely killed in a flood.

Yes, that was absolutely disgusting.

What are you going to do about this tragic event? Just scold anyone that wants to take a look at it and try to prevent it from happening to somebody else? Grow up and take some action and some responsibility for protecting people from danger.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trump got 77% of the vote in Kerr County, Texas. They voted for the incompetent disassembling of important agencies like NOAA and NWS. Now they are learning firsthand what that means. I'm sorry their children have to die to understand though.

These children would not be alive if Harris had won, and I say that as a Harris voter. You are a vile and immoral person.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have family members at Mystic. They are safe now tonight (picked up by their parents after helicoptering out) but very traumatized. I went to camp in the area as well, I know many families with kids in the camps there, and I know numerous locals who run the camps. It is a very tight-knit community that will never be the same.

Save your politics for another forum please.

But we on DCUM and who work in science and research and government have been saying, then shouting, and now SCREAMING, that these very types of events are going to happen more often and with more intensity if human beings do not stop pumping greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere. And we have been mocked and dismissed and ignore for saying this by politicians and their followers. This is EXACTLY the type of scenario we have been talking about and guess what, it’s going to happen over and over and over again and not just to brown people in countries you don’t care about but to your precious little blond Christian girls too. This just happened in Asheville; when is initial going to be “too soon” to talk about why these things are happening?

And it is POLITICS, specifically ignorant Republican politicians, specifically people like Ted Cruz and Greg Abbott, who are stopping any and all efforts to research the issue so we can prevent it from getting worse or roll it back. It is politics that are stripping away the funding for the research and resources needed to figure out how to mitigate the effects of this and save lives. It is politics that are ensuring that people in government and who conduct federally funded research cannot even SAY climate change; cannot even acknowledge that it might exist. And every time you say “now is not the time” and go off to pray and do jack all nothing, or tell others to shut up about it, you are in fact engaged in a political act impeding government providing services to the people it serves. And that is a HUGE political act itself.

So spare us your lectures. We will not shut up because the urgency of the moment demands that we call out every single one of these tragedies as a harbinger of what is coming. And if you don’t want to hear it, you can stay off DCUM because this community has a lot of people who work on these issues and we are incandescent with rage right now at how Republicans have politicized this issue to keep their corporate masters happy and to keep the money flowing. And this is what happens and let us be clear, is going to happen again and again and again and all the Go Fund Mes in the world aren’t going to be enough.

What is wrong with you????

Do you honestly believe this tragedy wouldn’t have happened if Kamala had been elected? What about the Asheville flooding? Was that Biden’s fault?

There is something seriously wrong with people who make a natural disaster and the death of dozens of innocent people, including children, a political statement. There is nothing the Republicans did to cause this or could have realistically done to prevent it, just as there was nothing the Democrats did or didn’t do for the natural disasters that occurred on their watch.

Natural disasters have happened since the beginning of time (remember the dinosaurs) and will happen for the rest of the Earth’s existence.

Instead of fighting over how politics are at fault, let’s just focus on all the families whose lives were absolutely shattered. I cannot imagine what they’re going through.

That PP was objecting to the gross reference to little white blond Christian girls in that post, and I agree that was disgusting.

I am the poster who responded and bolded that language. You are correct. My objection was to the sneering mocking language used to describe approximately 20 children likely killed in a flood.

Yes, that was absolutely disgusting.

What are you going to do about this tragic event? Just scold anyone that wants to take a look at it and try to prevent it from happening to somebody else? Grow up and take some action and some responsibility for protecting people from danger.

Well, I can tell you what I’m not going to do, and that is that I am not going to mock the race and religion of dead children.

[Anonymous]

Actions have consequences. Defunding important agencies results in less monitoring and notifications. Unfortunately we'll need more tragedies like this to right the ship.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have family members at Mystic. They are safe now tonight (picked up by their parents after helicoptering out) but very traumatized. I went to camp in the area as well, I know many families with kids in the camps there, and I know numerous locals who run the camps. It is a very tight-knit community that will never be the same.

Save your politics for another forum please.

But we on DCUM and who work in science and research and government have been saying, then shouting, and now SCREAMING, that these very types of events are going to happen more often and with more intensity if human beings do not stop pumping greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere. And we have been mocked and dismissed and ignore for saying this by politicians and their followers. This is EXACTLY the type of scenario we have been talking about and guess what, it’s going to happen over and over and over again and not just to brown people in countries you don’t care about but to your precious little blond Christian girls too. This just happened in Asheville; when is initial going to be “too soon” to talk about why these things are happening?

And it is POLITICS, specifically ignorant Republican politicians, specifically people like Ted Cruz and Greg Abbott, who are stopping any and all efforts to research the issue so we can prevent it from getting worse or roll it back. It is politics that are stripping away the funding for the research and resources needed to figure out how to mitigate the effects of this and save lives. It is politics that are ensuring that people in government and who conduct federally funded research cannot even SAY climate change; cannot even acknowledge that it might exist. And every time you say “now is not the time” and go off to pray and do jack all nothing, or tell others to shut up about it, you are in fact engaged in a political act impeding government providing services to the people it serves. And that is a HUGE political act itself.

So spare us your lectures. We will not shut up because the urgency of the moment demands that we call out every single one of these tragedies as a harbinger of what is coming. And if you don’t want to hear it, you can stay off DCUM because this community has a lot of people who work on these issues and we are incandescent with rage right now at how Republicans have politicized this issue to keep their corporate masters happy and to keep the money flowing. And this is what happens and let us be clear, is going to happen again and again and again and all the Go Fund Mes in the world aren’t going to be enough.

What is wrong with you????

Do you honestly believe this tragedy wouldn’t have happened if Kamala had been elected? What about the Asheville flooding? Was that Biden’s fault?

There is something seriously wrong with people who make a natural disaster and the death of dozens of innocent people, including children, a political statement. There is nothing the Republicans did to cause this or could have realistically done to prevent it, just as there was nothing the Democrats did or didn’t do for the natural disasters that occurred on their watch.

Natural disasters have happened since the beginning of time (remember the dinosaurs) and will happen for the rest of the Earth’s existence.

Instead of fighting over how politics are at fault, let’s just focus on all the families whose lives were absolutely shattered. I cannot imagine what they’re going through.

That PP was objecting to the gross reference to little white blond Christian girls in that post, and I agree that was disgusting.

I am the poster who responded and bolded that language. You are correct. My objection was to the sneering mocking language used to describe approximately 20 children likely killed in a flood.

Yes, that was absolutely disgusting.

What are you going to do about this tragic event? Just scold anyone that wants to take a look at it and try to prevent it from happening to somebody else? Grow up and take some action and some responsibility for protecting people from danger.

Well, I can tell you what I’m not going to do, and that is that I am not going to mock the race and religion of dead children.

What are you going to do about it?.