Flash Flood in Texas,

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting feature article on the camp from 2011, which cost $4400/month 14 years ago. I’m guessing it’s significantly more now.

https://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/the-not-so-happy-campers/

Any chance you can post a guest link. I'm not going to subscribe for one old article.

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Anonymous wrote:I have family members at Mystic. They are safe now tonight (picked up by their parents after helicoptering out) but very traumatized. I went to camp in the area as well, I know many families with kids in the camps there, and I know numerous locals who run the camps. It is a very tight-knit community that will never be the same.

Save your politics for another forum please.

But we on DCUM and who work in science and research and government have been saying, then shouting, and now SCREAMING, that these very types of events are going to happen more often and with more intensity if human beings do not stop pumping greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere. And we have been mocked and dismissed and ignore for saying this by politicians and their followers. This is EXACTLY the type of scenario we have been talking about and guess what, it’s going to happen over and over and over again and not just to brown people in countries you don’t care about but to your precious little blond Christian girls too. This just happened in Asheville; when is initial going to be “too soon” to talk about why these things are happening?

And it is POLITICS, specifically ignorant Republican politicians, specifically people like Ted Cruz and Greg Abbott, who are stopping any and all efforts to research the issue so we can prevent it from getting worse or roll it back. It is politics that are stripping away the funding for the research and resources needed to figure out how to mitigate the effects of this and save lives. It is politics that are ensuring that people in government and who conduct federally funded research cannot even SAY climate change; cannot even acknowledge that it might exist. And every time you say “now is not the time” and go off to pray and do jack all nothing, or tell others to shut up about it, you are in fact engaged in a political act impeding government providing services to the people it serves. And that is a HUGE political act itself.

So spare us your lectures. We will not shut up because the urgency of the moment demands that we call out every single one of these tragedies as a harbinger of what is coming. And if you don’t want to hear it, you can stay off DCUM because this community has a lot of people who work on these issues and we are incandescent with rage right now at how Republicans have politicized this issue to keep their corporate masters happy and to keep the money flowing. And this is what happens and let us be clear, is going to happen again and again and again and all the Go Fund Mes in the world aren’t going to be enough.

What is wrong with you????

Do you honestly believe this tragedy wouldn’t have happened if Kamala had been elected? What about the Asheville flooding? Was that Biden’s fault?

There is something seriously wrong with people who make a natural disaster and the death of dozens of innocent people, including children, a political statement. There is nothing the Republicans did to cause this or could have realistically done to prevent it, just as there was nothing the Democrats did or didn’t do for the natural disasters that occurred on their watch.

Natural disasters have happened since the beginning of time (remember the dinosaurs) and will happen for the rest of the Earth’s existence.

Instead of fighting over how politics are at fault, let’s just focus on all the families whose lives were absolutely shattered. I cannot imagine what they’re going through.

That PP was objecting to the gross reference to little white blond Christian girls in that post, and I agree that was disgusting.

I am the poster who responded and bolded that language. You are correct. My objection was to the sneering mocking language used to describe approximately 20 children likely killed in a flood.

Yes, that was absolutely disgusting.

What are you going to do about this tragic event? Just scold anyone that wants to take a look at it and try to prevent it from happening to somebody else? Grow up and take some action and some responsibility for protecting people from danger.

I don’t understand this comment. My objection to mocking dead children is unrelated to my thoughts on what should have been done. I agree that climate change and deregulation are existential threats. I also think sneering at dead children is vile.

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Anonymous wrote:A forecast of tremendous amounts of rain causing flooding seems incredibly easy to predict and foresee.

There was a flash flood watch and then a warning. The meteorologists did their job.

This river was very well known to flood. So decision-makers were aware of the possibility.

It comes down to paying for and installing the means of warning people. Clearly that fell short.

So like a radio or a cell phone?

Yes, the camp should have had someone monitoring that through the night. It sounds like counselors were woken up by water coming into the cabins, far too late to get everyone out.

Someone might not get a full night's rest. That's unfair!

Go watch the video someone posted up thread. It wouldn’t have mattered. The cabins were just too close to the water

Claiming that it is impossible to take a look at what happened and try to prevent it is stupid and irresponsible. Yes, when they gave the highest alert I think it was at 4:35 in the morning or whenever it was .....get those campers the hell out of there immediately. It's what anyone would do in that situation.

Take some responsibility for protecting your family and other people that are in your care From catastrophic weather events. Why is this even a question?

If you read the news reports, the camp director died in this. She was almost assuredly trying to get the girls out but there wasn’t time. Yes, we need to learn from this (perhaps not putting cabins right near rivers is a start) but this was a tragic event that was not foreseeable given the camp has been running successfully for over a century!

I think camps near water sources need permanent flash flood detectors near the shore — if they detect water they blow an air raid siren.

Sounds useful.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump got 77% of the vote in Kerr County, Texas. They voted for the incompetent disassembling of important agencies like NOAA and NWS. Now they are learning firsthand what that means. I'm sorry their children have to die to understand though.

These children would not be alive if Harris had won, and I say that as a Harris voter. You are a vile and immoral person.

But they’d be alive if they were just kept home.

Sadly, you could say the same thing about sending them to school these days. No one’s doing anything about that, either.

Truth.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump got 77% of the vote in Kerr County, Texas. They voted for the incompetent disassembling of important agencies like NOAA and NWS. Now they are learning firsthand what that means. I'm sorry their children have to die to understand though.

These children would not be alive if Harris had won, and I say that as a Harris voter. You are a vile and immoral person.

But they’d be alive if they were just kept home.

Sure but the PP is saying that these children would have survived a flash flood if Harris had won. That is delusional at best, and grotesquely manipulative at worst.

It is way too early to know if NWS cuts played a role in this.

It is way too early to be politicizing this for either side.

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Anonymous wrote:A forecast of tremendous amounts of rain causing flooding seems incredibly easy to predict and foresee.

There was a flash flood watch and then a warning. The meteorologists did their job.

This river was very well known to flood. So decision-makers were aware of the possibility.

It comes down to paying for and installing the means of warning people. Clearly that fell short.

So like a radio or a cell phone?

Yes, the camp should have had someone monitoring that through the night. It sounds like counselors were woken up by water coming into the cabins, far too late to get everyone out.

Someone might not get a full night's rest. That's unfair!

Go watch the video someone posted up thread. It wouldn’t have mattered. The cabins were just too close to the water

The older kids in the cabins farther up the hill made it out. They could’ve relocated the kids in the lower lying cabins. But again, maybe don’t pack off an 8 year old to camp. Just because “everyone does it” doesn’t mean you have to.

There wasn't time!! Are you serious?? They had seconds.

The day before. Based on the incoming rain.

No one knew that far in advance that the storm would dump that much rain that quickly. The camp has been there 100 years and rain has never been a problem before. They didn’t know.

Other than 1987, when 10 died.

https://www.ksat.com/weather/2025/07/04/1987-when-the-guadalupe-river-turned-deadly/

Don't build in 50-year flood plains.

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It wasn't just the kids at the summer camps who were affected. There were families in RVs and river homes all along the Guad who are missing and presumed dead. It was the 4th of July and pretty much the most crowded time of year.

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Going forward, at camps near water, they should be required to have a safe sleeping location that they go to whenever there is a flash flood watch. It would be a pain to retreat every tines there’s a flood watch but so what.

Not blaming anyone but I work in child care in a state with tight regulations about this kind of stuff. We need to make sure camps in all states follow safety precautions updated to the current state of our climate.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting feature article on the camp from 2011, which cost $4400/month 14 years ago. I’m guessing it’s significantly more now.

https://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/the-not-so-happy-campers/

Any chance you can post a guest link. I'm not going to subscribe for one old article.

You can just dismiss. I read it with no subscription.

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Anonymous wrote:I have family members at Mystic. They are safe now tonight (picked up by their parents after helicoptering out) but very traumatized. I went to camp in the area as well, I know many families with kids in the camps there, and I know numerous locals who run the camps. It is a very tight-knit community that will never be the same.

Save your politics for another forum please.

But we on DCUM and who work in science and research and government have been saying, then shouting, and now SCREAMING, that these very types of events are going to happen more often and with more intensity if human beings do not stop pumping greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere. And we have been mocked and dismissed and ignore for saying this by politicians and their followers. This is EXACTLY the type of scenario we have been talking about and guess what, it’s going to happen over and over and over again and not just to brown people in countries you don’t care about but to your precious little blond Christian girls too. This just happened in Asheville; when is initial going to be “too soon” to talk about why these things are happening?

And it is POLITICS, specifically ignorant Republican politicians, specifically people like Ted Cruz and Greg Abbott, who are stopping any and all efforts to research the issue so we can prevent it from getting worse or roll it back. It is politics that are stripping away the funding for the research and resources needed to figure out how to mitigate the effects of this and save lives. It is politics that are ensuring that people in government and who conduct federally funded research cannot even SAY climate change; cannot even acknowledge that it might exist. And every time you say “now is not the time” and go off to pray and do jack all nothing, or tell others to shut up about it, you are in fact engaged in a political act impeding government providing services to the people it serves. And that is a HUGE political act itself.

So spare us your lectures. We will not shut up because the urgency of the moment demands that we call out every single one of these tragedies as a harbinger of what is coming. And if you don’t want to hear it, you can stay off DCUM because this community has a lot of people who work on these issues and we are incandescent with rage right now at how Republicans have politicized this issue to keep their corporate masters happy and to keep the money flowing. And this is what happens and let us be clear, is going to happen again and again and again and all the Go Fund Mes in the world aren’t going to be enough.

What is wrong with you????

Do you honestly believe this tragedy wouldn’t have happened if Kamala had been elected? What about the Asheville flooding? Was that Biden’s fault?

There is something seriously wrong with people who make a natural disaster and the death of dozens of innocent people, including children, a political statement. There is nothing the Republicans did to cause this or could have realistically done to prevent it, just as there was nothing the Democrats did or didn’t do for the natural disasters that occurred on their watch.

Natural disasters have happened since the beginning of time (remember the dinosaurs) and will happen for the rest of the Earth’s existence.

Instead of fighting over how politics are at fault, let’s just focus on all the families whose lives were absolutely shattered. I cannot imagine what they’re going through.

That PP was objecting to the gross reference to little white blond Christian girls in that post, and I agree that was disgusting.

I am the poster who responded and bolded that language. You are correct. My objection was to the sneering mocking language used to describe approximately 20 children likely killed in a flood.

JFC. No, the language didn’t “mock” the children. That PP was pointing out how the Rs don’t GAF about this when it happens in other countries.

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If you run a camp on the riverbanks and are responsible for children there, you should have someone who stays on top of the weather. Rivers flood. When there’s lots and lots of rain, rivers flood more, especially in a place like that.

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Anonymous wrote:I have family members at Mystic. They are safe now tonight (picked up by their parents after helicoptering out) but very traumatized. I went to camp in the area as well, I know many families with kids in the camps there, and I know numerous locals who run the camps. It is a very tight-knit community that will never be the same.

Save your politics for another forum please.

But we on DCUM and who work in science and research and government have been saying, then shouting, and now SCREAMING, that these very types of events are going to happen more often and with more intensity if human beings do not stop pumping greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere. And we have been mocked and dismissed and ignore for saying this by politicians and their followers. This is EXACTLY the type of scenario we have been talking about and guess what, it’s going to happen over and over and over again and not just to brown people in countries you don’t care about but to your precious little blond Christian girls too. This just happened in Asheville; when is initial going to be “too soon” to talk about why these things are happening?

And it is POLITICS, specifically ignorant Republican politicians, specifically people like Ted Cruz and Greg Abbott, who are stopping any and all efforts to research the issue so we can prevent it from getting worse or roll it back. It is politics that are stripping away the funding for the research and resources needed to figure out how to mitigate the effects of this and save lives. It is politics that are ensuring that people in government and who conduct federally funded research cannot even SAY climate change; cannot even acknowledge that it might exist. And every time you say “now is not the time” and go off to pray and do jack all nothing, or tell others to shut up about it, you are in fact engaged in a political act impeding government providing services to the people it serves. And that is a HUGE political act itself.

So spare us your lectures. We will not shut up because the urgency of the moment demands that we call out every single one of these tragedies as a harbinger of what is coming. And if you don’t want to hear it, you can stay off DCUM because this community has a lot of people who work on these issues and we are incandescent with rage right now at how Republicans have politicized this issue to keep their corporate masters happy and to keep the money flowing. And this is what happens and let us be clear, is going to happen again and again and again and all the Go Fund Mes in the world aren’t going to be enough.

What is wrong with you????

Do you honestly believe this tragedy wouldn’t have happened if Kamala had been elected? What about the Asheville flooding? Was that Biden’s fault?

There is something seriously wrong with people who make a natural disaster and the death of dozens of innocent people, including children, a political statement. There is nothing the Republicans did to cause this or could have realistically done to prevent it, just as there was nothing the Democrats did or didn’t do for the natural disasters that occurred on their watch.

Natural disasters have happened since the beginning of time (remember the dinosaurs) and will happen for the rest of the Earth’s existence.

Instead of fighting over how politics are at fault, let’s just focus on all the families whose lives were absolutely shattered. I cannot imagine what they’re going through.

That PP was objecting to the gross reference to little white blond Christian girls in that post, and I agree that was disgusting.

I am the poster who responded and bolded that language. You are correct. My objection was to the sneering mocking language used to describe approximately 20 children likely killed in a flood.

Yes, that was absolutely disgusting.

What are you going to do about this tragic event? Just scold anyone that wants to take a look at it and try to prevent it from happening to somebody else? Grow up and take some action and some responsibility for protecting people from danger.

Well, I can tell you what I’m not going to do, and that is that I am not going to mock the race and religion of dead children.

What are you going to do about it?.

A lot more than you, who apparently believes mocking the race and religion of dead drowned children on an internet message board is “doing something.”

You're not answering the question and no one is mocking the people that were lost in the flood. You focus on scolding people if you think that's going to protect anyone from a flood. And make sure you vote for people that think it's more important to keep dollars in their bank accounts and their friends bank accounts then try to prevent the loss of human life.

I'll focus on solutions and science and data collection and analysis and flood mitigation and warning systems and protection of human life.

I’m a Harris voter, and you are absolutely vile. You believe that sneering at the race, religion, and ethnicity of drowned children is “doing something.” And yes, writing explicitly about the “precious White Christian little girls” is sneering at them. We can all still see that post, you know.

All you are doing is minting more people who absolutely hate Democrats. You’re useless otherwise. I hope you are proud of yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:I have family members at Mystic. They are safe now tonight (picked up by their parents after helicoptering out) but very traumatized. I went to camp in the area as well, I know many families with kids in the camps there, and I know numerous locals who run the camps. It is a very tight-knit community that will never be the same.

Save your politics for another forum please.

But we on DCUM and who work in science and research and government have been saying, then shouting, and now SCREAMING, that these very types of events are going to happen more often and with more intensity if human beings do not stop pumping greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere. And we have been mocked and dismissed and ignore for saying this by politicians and their followers. This is EXACTLY the type of scenario we have been talking about and guess what, it’s going to happen over and over and over again and not just to brown people in countries you don’t care about but to your precious little blond Christian girls too. This just happened in Asheville; when is initial going to be “too soon” to talk about why these things are happening?

And it is POLITICS, specifically ignorant Republican politicians, specifically people like Ted Cruz and Greg Abbott, who are stopping any and all efforts to research the issue so we can prevent it from getting worse or roll it back. It is politics that are stripping away the funding for the research and resources needed to figure out how to mitigate the effects of this and save lives. It is politics that are ensuring that people in government and who conduct federally funded research cannot even SAY climate change; cannot even acknowledge that it might exist. And every time you say “now is not the time” and go off to pray and do jack all nothing, or tell others to shut up about it, you are in fact engaged in a political act impeding government providing services to the people it serves. And that is a HUGE political act itself.

So spare us your lectures. We will not shut up because the urgency of the moment demands that we call out every single one of these tragedies as a harbinger of what is coming. And if you don’t want to hear it, you can stay off DCUM because this community has a lot of people who work on these issues and we are incandescent with rage right now at how Republicans have politicized this issue to keep their corporate masters happy and to keep the money flowing. And this is what happens and let us be clear, is going to happen again and again and again and all the Go Fund Mes in the world aren’t going to be enough.

What is wrong with you????

Do you honestly believe this tragedy wouldn’t have happened if Kamala had been elected? What about the Asheville flooding? Was that Biden’s fault?

There is something seriously wrong with people who make a natural disaster and the death of dozens of innocent people, including children, a political statement. There is nothing the Republicans did to cause this or could have realistically done to prevent it, just as there was nothing the Democrats did or didn’t do for the natural disasters that occurred on their watch.

Natural disasters have happened since the beginning of time (remember the dinosaurs) and will happen for the rest of the Earth’s existence.

Instead of fighting over how politics are at fault, let’s just focus on all the families whose lives were absolutely shattered. I cannot imagine what they’re going through.

That PP was objecting to the gross reference to little white blond Christian girls in that post, and I agree that was disgusting.

I am the poster who responded and bolded that language. You are correct. My objection was to the sneering mocking language used to describe approximately 20 children likely killed in a flood.

Yes, that was absolutely disgusting.

What are you going to do about this tragic event? Just scold anyone that wants to take a look at it and try to prevent it from happening to somebody else? Grow up and take some action and some responsibility for protecting people from danger.

I don’t understand this comment. My objection to mocking dead children is unrelated to my thoughts on what should have been done. I agree that climate change and deregulation are existential threats. I also think sneering at dead children is vile.

The PP wasn’t “mocking dead children”. Stop making sht up.

[Anonymous]

Global cooling has caused rapid condensation killing thousands. The CO2 is way low and deadly scant.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump got 77% of the vote in Kerr County, Texas. They voted for the incompetent disassembling of important agencies like NOAA and NWS. Now they are learning firsthand what that means. I'm sorry their children have to die to understand though.

These children would not be alive if Harris had won, and I say that as a Harris voter. You are a vile and immoral person.

But they’d be alive if they were just kept home.

Sure but the PP is saying that these children would have survived a flash flood if Harris had won. That is delusional at best, and grotesquely manipulative at worst.

It is way too early to know if NWS cuts played a role in this.

It is way too early to be politicizing this for either side.

Of course, but that hasn’t stopped the Democrats in this thread who think it’s appropriate to refer to dead children as “your precious little blond Christian girls” and take the position the kids would be alive if Trump hadn’t won.