Just caught my kid reading Charlie Kirk

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Typical red herring fallacy arguments. Attack the person, not the argument. Perhaps if people saw more sides of an argument and worked to determine the worth of each one as opposed to seeking out only that information which reinforces one's own biases, the world would be less combative...

That goes BOTH WAYS, PP.
Conservatives to liberal ideas, too.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not Kirk's fan but he does have some good points about not going to college and racking up student loans debt. Several of my family members attended Ivies as full-pay, majored in social studies and graduated with 300K of student loans. They are social workers and are on a income payment plan.

College is not for everyone.

This is why families have been crying for Congress to DO something about the college loan crisis.

Shameful Charlie Kirk is telling kids to skip college. He should be pushing Congress to address funding college or lowering interest rates instead. What a jerk.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:My 2 teen sons (DC schools) live Charlie Kirk.

And frankly the more I listen to him, the more I do too.

This is the danger people like him pose. The Kirks and JD Vances and such are intelligent and articulate. And they adeptly conceal their underbellies.
They say things that on the surface or on their own sound quite reasonable. It's the parts of their beliefs and agendas that they DON'T say that are the problem.
"Very fine people."

Still parroting this lie. You're either a grifter yourself or just 'tarted.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t let your kids read conservative stuff!! It’s filled with common sense & practical solutions!!

The daily parade of incompetence and stupidity of this administration would suggest otherwise.

Why was this bunch of allegedly stupid people able to close the same border your moron left wide open?

Yep. The same ones demonstrating their disdain for the Constitution, for the laws of the US, for the non-white billionaires of the world. The same ones cozying up to foreign dictators and callously treating our friendships. The same ones who can't put together cohesive non--hypocritical arguments or policy positions. The same ones who can't define habeus corpus and who don't know what their own organizations are even doing. The same ones who lie, lie, lie and suck-up, suck-up, suck-up.

Closing the border does not prove competence.

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Anonymous wrote:My wife was cleaning our son's room, lifted up the mattress to make the bed. Found a bunch of Charlie Kirk and Michael Knowles material. Boys will be boys, but this?

Young men and young boys are the precise target of the Charlie Kirks et al of the world. This is why they are such an insidious element in our current world not to be dismissed.

Mainstream society doesn't care about young men so it's not surprising that young men look to fringe people for advice.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t let your kids read conservative stuff!! It’s filled with common sense & practical solutions!!

The daily parade of incompetence and stupidity of this administration would suggest otherwise.

Why was this bunch of allegedly stupid people able to close the same border your moron left wide open?

Yep. The same ones demonstrating their disdain for the Constitution, for the laws of the US, for the non-white billionaires of the world. The same ones cozying up to foreign dictators and callously treating our friendships. The same ones who can't put together cohesive non--hypocritical arguments or policy positions. The same ones who can't define habeus corpus and who don't know what their own organizations are even doing. The same ones who lie, lie, lie and suck-up, suck-up, suck-up.

Closing the border does not prove competence.

Maybe, maybe not, but failing to close the border definitely proves incompetence, given how easy it proved to be.

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Anonymous wrote:So he can read it and weigh if it holds up or not.
Open a conversation about it sometime. Ask child to point out its best arguments and its biggest flaws.
Critical thinking will be good for them. (Not saying Kirk is good, but many perspectives.)

I think this is being way too generous about what a pile of garbage this dude pedals.

However, there is value in reading garbage learning to identify what unstated insecurities, fears, desires is the book trying to hook into, what type of person is drawn to this vs repelled by this, what blatant inaccuracies do you see yet want to pass over, why do some people find this appealing…
Hate and bigotry sells now better to understand why and actively work against than ignore it hoping it goes away.

Look at it as opposition research.

Side note: (since this a college forum, so presumably those of reading it have been...) Pedal is what you do to a bicycle. Peddle is selling your wares.

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Anonymous wrote:My wife was cleaning our son's room, lifted up the mattress to make the bed. Found a bunch of Charlie Kirk and Michael Knowles material. Boys will be boys, but this?

Young men and young boys are the precise target of the Charlie Kirks et al of the world. This is why they are such an insidious element in our current world not to be dismissed.

Mainstream society doesn't care about young men so it's not surprising that young men look to fringe people for advice.

There is a crisis among young men and they need to hear from better people than Charlie Kirk. I'd encourage him to read/listen to Scott Galloway. Politically moderate/anti-Trump but speaks effectively to young men on how to be successful in life. https://profgmedia.com/

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Anonymous wrote:I am not Kirk's fan but he does have some good points about not going to college and racking up student loans debt. Several of my family members attended Ivies as full-pay, majored in social studies and graduated with 300K of student loans. They are social workers and are on a income payment plan.

College is not for everyone.

This is why families have been crying for Congress to DO something about the college loan crisis.

Shameful Charlie Kirk is telling kids to skip college. He should be pushing Congress to address funding college or lowering interest rates instead. What a jerk.

College isn't for every kid.

People who espose that it is the only option are not being honest.

There is honor and dignity in enlisting in the military to delay college, entering into the skilled trades, going into beauty fields, going right into a job from high school, developing marketable skills like computer skills outside of college, various technicians and nursing assistance, office workers, becoming a policeman or firefighter, and other paths that don't involve a university education.

Heck, there is dignity and worth if you are a garbage collector, janitor or burger flipper, if you do it with pride and effort.

Not every kid should attend college. Some should wait a few years, and others should go on other paths.

What I have noticed at my kids' high performing nova high school is that the kids who should be on other paths often end up lost in the shuffle, because the focus is almost solely on going to a 4 year university. There are no longer trades classes at our school, so they just mentally check out and get almost nothing ftom school, or their parents have to fight every day all four years to get them to graduation. We have to get back to a balance for the kids who aren't really college bound, so they are set up for success on an alternate path instead of failure.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not Kirk's fan but he does have some good points about not going to college and racking up student loans debt. Several of my family members attended Ivies as full-pay, majored in social studies and graduated with 300K of student loans. They are social workers and are on a income payment plan.

College is not for everyone.

I went to an Ivy and zero of my classmates are social workers. And none majored in "social studies" -- are you confusing the Ivys with a high school with vines on it?

Even if true, the Ivies have incredible financial aid, if they were full pay then their parents could have afforded the tuition but chose to saddle them with loans. I'm sure they'll be fine.

Seems unlikely. So they are Brown University, Columbia University, Cornell University, Dartmouth College, Harvard University, the University of Pennsylvania, Princeton University, and Yale University.
Here are a few, you can look at the rest yourself.
"social studies" at Harvard:
Social Sciences
Business administration and management*
Economics**
Government
History
International relations
Psychology

Yale: https://admissions.yale.edu/majors-and-academic-programs
Princeton: https://odoc.princeton.edu/learning-curriculum/majors-minors
Sociology is the only thing close to "social studies"

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not Kirk's fan but he does have some good points about not going to college and racking up student loans debt. Several of my family members attended Ivies as full-pay, majored in social studies and graduated with 300K of student loans. They are social workers and are on a income payment plan.

College is not for everyone.

I went to an Ivy and zero of my classmates are social workers. And none majored in "social studies" -- are you confusing the Ivys with a high school with vines on it?

Even if true, the Ivies have incredible financial aid, if they were full pay then their parents could have afforded the tuition but chose to saddle them with loans. I'm sure they'll be fine.

Seems unlikely. So they are Brown University, Columbia University, Cornell University, Dartmouth College, Harvard University, the University of Pennsylvania, Princeton University, and Yale University.
Here are a few, you can look at the rest yourself.
"social studies" at Harvard:
Social Sciences
Business administration and management*
Economics**
Government
History
International relations
Psychology

Yale: https://admissions.yale.edu/majors-and-academic-programs
Princeton: https://odoc.princeton.edu/learning-curriculum/majors-minors
Sociology is the only thing close to "social studies"

Can't edit, so adding on that my comments were directed at the person saying they had family members who are now social workers from ivies.

[Anonymous]

That's fantastic! Your son is clearly smarter than you and willing to research all sides of a issue. Try learning something from him.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My wife was cleaning our son's room, lifted up the mattress to make the bed. Found a bunch of Charlie Kirk and Michael Knowles material. Boys will be boys, but this?

Young men and young boys are the precise target of the Charlie Kirks et al of the world. This is why they are such an insidious element in our current world not to be dismissed.

Mainstream society doesn't care about young men so it's not surprising that young men look to fringe people for advice.

There is a crisis among young men and they need to hear from better people than Charlie Kirk. I'd encourage him to read/listen to Scott Galloway. Politically moderate/anti-Trump but speaks effectively to young men on how to be successful in life. https://profgmedia.com/

Agree that Scott Galloway is good. I also like what Richard Reeves is doing.

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Anonymous wrote:Kid is a HS freshman. Caught him reading Kirk’s College Scam book. I asked him about it, and he said he is questioning the whole idea of going to college. I am shocked. The plan was for him to always go to college.

You raised an idiot , racist , women hating fool great job op


There is nothing good about Charlie Kirk

How did you raise a HS person to not know that?

[Anonymous]

Bad genes. I'm guessing you have many faults?