Israel war today vs 1900s-1948

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I deplore the terrible casualties in Gaza in this war that Israel did not start and did not want. If virtue in war is to determine what country has "the right to exist," then the US has a questionable claim--we killed over 100,000 Iraqi civilians (60,000 in Mosul alone) in our war of choice. Saddam Hussein had not attacked us; we were just worried that he might.
Not to mention the actual genocide of the Native Americas...India and Pakistan have fought several bloody wars since Pakistan was created about the same time as Israel. Do those countries not have the right to exist? Ironically, Israel actually has written proof of its right to exist: the 1948 United Nations resolution. Of course, the Arab states rejected it, declared war, and here we are, war after war after war.

Israel and Zionists have zero credibility in citing a claim or right to anything based on a U.N. action. Israel has made it abundantly clear that it won’t respect U.N. Resolutions, so whatever you think occurred in 1948 (by the way, it didn’t), it wouldn’t matter anyway.

Second, nations don’t possess natural rights. No nation has a “right to exist”.

Arabs have been saying for decades that Israel has "no right to exist." The natural response has been to say that Israel has a "right to exist."

Are you someone who believes Israel has no right to exist? In order words, Israel needs to be destroyed ASAP?

It should be destroyed politically, just like apartheid South Africa. Only the apartheid In Israel is way more evil.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I deplore the terrible casualties in Gaza in this war that Israel did not start and did not want. If virtue in war is to determine what country has "the right to exist," then the US has a questionable claim--we killed over 100,000 Iraqi civilians (60,000 in Mosul alone) in our war of choice. Saddam Hussein had not attacked us; we were just worried that he might.
Not to mention the actual genocide of the Native Americas...India and Pakistan have fought several bloody wars since Pakistan was created about the same time as Israel. Do those countries not have the right to exist? Ironically, Israel actually has written proof of its right to exist: the 1948 United Nations resolution. Of course, the Arab states rejected it, declared war, and here we are, war after war after war.

Israel and Zionists have zero credibility in citing a claim or right to anything based on a U.N. action. Israel has made it abundantly clear that it won’t respect U.N. Resolutions, so whatever you think occurred in 1948 (by the way, it didn’t), it wouldn’t matter anyway.

Second, nations don’t possess natural rights. No nation has a “right to exist”.

Arabs have been saying for decades that Israel has "no right to exist." The natural response has been to say that Israel has a "right to exist."

Are you someone who believes Israel has no right to exist? In order words, Israel needs to be destroyed ASAP?

No, I don’t feel that way.

Should Israel have been created when it declared statehood in 1948? No.

Most modern day Israelis, and ALL of the men and women who established Israel, have / had no credible biological claim to the region. Not getting into a dispute over facts. That’s a fact.

Instead, serious efforts should have been taken to address and ensure the safety of Jews wherever they lived at the time, just like any other group.

Now?

Two years ago, I would have argued for a two-state solution, with mechanisms in place to ensure peaceful coexistence … an idea that Israel has been actively obstructing for decades.

But today, I’m open to anything from (A) serious, systemic reform in Israel that provides meaningful $$$ reparations for all Palestinians and limited right of return for some Palestinians (with the rest absorbed into neighboring states) to (Z) POLITICAL destruction of Israel with a one-state (actually) democratic framework installed in its place.

Nation states don’t possess natural rights, like a “right to exist”. Not Israel. Not the U.S. or China. Not Brazil or Russia. Not South Africa or Ireland. Not North Korea or South Korea. None.

Nation states come and go. There is no “right to exist” for Israel (or for Palestine, incidentally).

Status quo is off the table. Silence in the face of genocide is also off the table.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I deplore the terrible casualties in Gaza in this war that Israel did not start and did not want. If virtue in war is to determine what country has "the right to exist," then the US has a questionable claim--we killed over 100,000 Iraqi civilians (60,000 in Mosul alone) in our war of choice. Saddam Hussein had not attacked us; we were just worried that he might.
Not to mention the actual genocide of the Native Americas...India and Pakistan have fought several bloody wars since Pakistan was created about the same time as Israel. Do those countries not have the right to exist? Ironically, Israel actually has written proof of its right to exist: the 1948 United Nations resolution. Of course, the Arab states rejected it, declared war, and here we are, war after war after war.

Israel and Zionists have zero credibility in citing a claim or right to anything based on a U.N. action. Israel has made it abundantly clear that it won’t respect U.N. Resolutions, so whatever you think occurred in 1948 (by the way, it didn’t), it wouldn’t matter anyway.

Second, nations don’t possess natural rights. No nation has a “right to exist”.

“Right to exist” is being used as a distraction to continue the genocide.

Hitler could have put forth the same excuse for his atrocious across Europe.

[Anonymous]

Again, the term “right to exist” was coined in opposition to the idea that Israel has “no right to exist.”

We can’t ignore the decades and decades that Arabs have been seeking the destruction of Israel and telling Israel they have no right to exist. That is the context in which the term “right to exist” comes from. Arguing about whether Israel has the “right to exist” is telling the Israelis they shouldn’t exist.

You can pick whatever term you want, but any solution will need Israel as a willing partner. Nobody can force Israel to change their political structure. That has to come from within, and none of your arguments are going to land on them.

[Anonymous]

….except Americans owned by AIPAC have fueled the slaughter.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Israel has a right to exist just like apartheid South Africa and Nazi Germany.

This.

Frankly I don't care about the mere name of a country. Call it Israel, call it Palestine, call it Semiticstan, or whatever. But if you're telling me that a country (whatever you want to call it) has a right to operate an ethno-nationalist state that displaces those who don't qualify, and has different rules and laws for those who don't happen to meet the requirements of an ethno-nationalist state, then I think you are not only part of the problem, but that you're an awful human being.

A democratic state that provides equal laws, rights, opportunities and protections for all? Call it Israel, and it'd be great. But that's not what Israel is now, nor what it was created as. And I have no problem saying that Israel in it's current form should never, ever have been created and should absolutely be destroyed.

AIPAC created this monster by bribing politicians.