Israel war today vs 1900s-1948

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Modern Hebrew was revived in the late 19th to unify Jewish communities. While the vocabulary draws heavily from Biblical Hebrew its sentence structure, shaped by European Jewish immigrants, often mirrors German and Yiddish patterns—favoring subject-verb-object order—unlike the verb-initial, simpler structures of Old Hebrew spoken by Yemeni Jews.

Again: Hebrew originated in Poland?

Mizrahi Jews didn’t even speak Hebrew. They spoke Arabic. When they first made Aliyah, they got along better with Palestinians than with ashkenazi Jews- go figure and the army used them as translators. They don’t get enough credit for helping to peacefully break the ice and stabilize the Palestinian Israeli conflict due to the lingual similarity. If they didn’t emigrate, the situation would be far worse as unbelievable as that sounds.

Pretty certain that at least some Mizrahi Jews also spoke Hebrew or maintained a connection to it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Modern Hebrew was revived in the late 19th to unify Jewish communities. While the vocabulary draws heavily from Biblical Hebrew its sentence structure, shaped by European Jewish immigrants, often mirrors German and Yiddish patterns—favoring subject-verb-object order—unlike the verb-initial, simpler structures of Old Hebrew spoken by Yemeni Jews.

Again: Hebrew originated in Poland?

Mizrahi Jews didn’t even speak Hebrew. They spoke Arabic. When they first made Aliyah, they got along better with Palestinians than with ashkenazi Jews- go figure and the army used them as translators. They don’t get enough credit for helping to peacefully break the ice and stabilize the Palestinian Israeli conflict due to the lingual similarity. If they didn’t emigrate, the situation would be far worse as unbelievable as that sounds.

Pretty certain that at least some Mizrahi Jews also spoke Hebrew or maintained a connection to it.

It was only used in liturgy. For discourse the language of the community was used such as Arabic, Turkish, Ladino or Yiddish.

Modern Hebrew is a new language taking ancient Hebrew vocabulary and placing it in a Germanic sentence structure.

[Anonymous]

One example is the inability of Israelis of European descent to pronounce the letter “ח”(chet). It is supposed to be pronounced as a distinct, guttural sound different from the standard "h" sound of the letter “ה”(hey). This guttural sound is common in Semitic languages like Hebrew and Arabic where the sound is “ح”

Yiddish, influenced by Germanic languages, lacks the guttural ח sound, and speakers often approximated it as a softer "h.”

When Hebrew was created as a spoken language in the late 19th primarily by Ashkenazi Jews in Europe, the pronunciation of ח was influenced by the the German "ch" in "Bach") was adopted as the standard.

DC folks when you listen to an Amharic (Semitic language) speaker you will notice this sound come up a lot and why Semitic people poke fun at Israelis inability to pronounce the “ח” (chet) sound and replace it with “ch.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Modern Hebrew was revived in the late 19th to unify Jewish communities. While the vocabulary draws heavily from Biblical Hebrew its sentence structure, shaped by European Jewish immigrants, often mirrors German and Yiddish patterns—favoring subject-verb-object order—unlike the verb-initial, simpler structures of Old Hebrew spoken by Yemeni Jews.

Again: Hebrew originated in Poland?

Mizrahi Jews didn’t even speak Hebrew. They spoke Arabic. When they first made Aliyah, they got along better with Palestinians than with ashkenazi Jews- go figure and the army used them as translators. They don’t get enough credit for helping to peacefully break the ice and stabilize the Palestinian Israeli conflict due to the lingual similarity. If they didn’t emigrate, the situation would be far worse as unbelievable as that sounds.

Pretty certain that at least some Mizrahi Jews also spoke Hebrew or maintained a connection to it.

It was only used in liturgy. For discourse the language of the community was used such as Arabic, Turkish, Ladino or Yiddish.

Modern Hebrew is a new language taking ancient Hebrew vocabulary and placing it in a Germanic sentence structure.

Where did Mizrahi Jews’ descendants come from?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Modern Hebrew was revived in the late 19th to unify Jewish communities. While the vocabulary draws heavily from Biblical Hebrew its sentence structure, shaped by European Jewish immigrants, often mirrors German and Yiddish patterns—favoring subject-verb-object order—unlike the verb-initial, simpler structures of Old Hebrew spoken by Yemeni Jews.

Again: Hebrew originated in Poland?

Mizrahi Jews didn’t even speak Hebrew. They spoke Arabic. When they first made Aliyah, they got along better with Palestinians than with ashkenazi Jews- go figure and the army used them as translators. They don’t get enough credit for helping to peacefully break the ice and stabilize the Palestinian Israeli conflict due to the lingual similarity. If they didn’t emigrate, the situation would be far worse as unbelievable as that sounds.

Pretty certain that at least some Mizrahi Jews also spoke Hebrew or maintained a connection to it.

It was only used in liturgy. For discourse the language of the community was used such as Arabic, Turkish, Ladino or Yiddish.

Modern Hebrew is a new language taking ancient Hebrew vocabulary and placing it in a Germanic sentence structure.

Where did Mizrahi Jews’ descendants come from?

Anyone?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Israel has a right to exist just like apartheid South Africa and Nazi Germany.

This.

Frankly I don't care about the mere name of a country. Call it Israel, call it Palestine, call it Semiticstan, or whatever. But if you're telling me that a country (whatever you want to call it) has a right to operate an ethno-nationalist state that displaces those who don't qualify, and has different rules and laws for those who don't happen to meet the requirements of an ethno-nationalist state, then I think you are not only part of the problem, but that you're an awful human being.

A democratic state that provides equal laws, rights, opportunities and protections for all? Call it Israel, and it'd be great. But that's not what Israel is now, nor what it was created as. And I have no problem saying that Israel in it's current form should never, ever have been created and should absolutely be destroyed.

AIPAC created this monster by bribing politicians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One example is the inability of Israelis of European descent to pronounce the letter “ח”(chet). It is supposed to be pronounced as a distinct, guttural sound different from the standard "h" sound of the letter “ה”(hey). This guttural sound is common in Semitic languages like Hebrew and Arabic where the sound is “ح”

Yiddish, influenced by Germanic languages, lacks the guttural ח sound, and speakers often approximated it as a softer "h.”

When Hebrew was created as a spoken language in the late 19th primarily by Ashkenazi Jews in Europe, the pronunciation of ח was influenced by the the German "ch" in "Bach") was adopted as the standard.

DC folks when you listen to an Amharic (Semitic language) speaker you will notice this sound come up a lot and why Semitic people poke fun at Israelis inability to pronounce the “ח” (chet) sound and replace it with “ch.”

What? Israeli Hebrew does pronounce chet differently from hey. I don't know how it's pronounced in Arabic or Amharic, but I also don't know why you'd expect Hebrew to use the same pronunciation as two other languages do.

[Anonymous]

Oh dear. You just very clearly proved my point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One example is the inability of Israelis of European descent to pronounce the letter “ח”(chet). It is supposed to be pronounced as a distinct, guttural sound different from the standard "h" sound of the letter “ה”(hey). This guttural sound is common in Semitic languages like Hebrew and Arabic where the sound is “ح”

Yiddish, influenced by Germanic languages, lacks the guttural ח sound, and speakers often approximated it as a softer "h.”

When Hebrew was created as a spoken language in the late 19th primarily by Ashkenazi Jews in Europe, the pronunciation of ח was influenced by the the German "ch" in "Bach") was adopted as the standard.

DC folks when you listen to an Amharic (Semitic language) speaker you will notice this sound come up a lot and why Semitic people poke fun at Israelis inability to pronounce the “ח” (chet) sound and replace it with “ch.”

What? Israeli Hebrew does pronounce chet differently from hey. I don't know how it's pronounced in Arabic or Amharic, but I also don't know why you'd expect Hebrew to use the same pronunciation as two other languages do.

Amharic, Arabic, Somali, and other Semitic languages are the closest to the ancient Hebrew spoken language.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One example is the inability of Israelis of European descent to pronounce the letter “ח”(chet). It is supposed to be pronounced as a distinct, guttural sound different from the standard "h" sound of the letter “ה”(hey). This guttural sound is common in Semitic languages like Hebrew and Arabic where the sound is “ح”

Yiddish, influenced by Germanic languages, lacks the guttural ח sound, and speakers often approximated it as a softer "h.”

When Hebrew was created as a spoken language in the late 19th primarily by Ashkenazi Jews in Europe, the pronunciation of ח was influenced by the the German "ch" in "Bach") was adopted as the standard.

DC folks when you listen to an Amharic (Semitic language) speaker you will notice this sound come up a lot and why Semitic people poke fun at Israelis inability to pronounce the “ח” (chet) sound and replace it with “ch.”

What? Israeli Hebrew does pronounce chet differently from hey. I don't know how it's pronounced in Arabic or Amharic, but I also don't know why you'd expect Hebrew to use the same pronunciation as two other languages do.

Amharic, Arabic, Somali, and other Semitic languages are the closest to the ancient Hebrew spoken language.

That's great, but I don't make fun of Spaniards for pronouncing things differently from how they're pronounced in Portuguese or Romanian.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One example is the inability of Israelis of European descent to pronounce the letter “ח”(chet). It is supposed to be pronounced as a distinct, guttural sound different from the standard "h" sound of the letter “ה”(hey). This guttural sound is common in Semitic languages like Hebrew and Arabic where the sound is “ح”

Yiddish, influenced by Germanic languages, lacks the guttural ח sound, and speakers often approximated it as a softer "h.”

When Hebrew was created as a spoken language in the late 19th primarily by Ashkenazi Jews in Europe, the pronunciation of ח was influenced by the the German "ch" in "Bach") was adopted as the standard.

DC folks when you listen to an Amharic (Semitic language) speaker you will notice this sound come up a lot and why Semitic people poke fun at Israelis inability to pronounce the “ח” (chet) sound and replace it with “ch.”

What? Israeli Hebrew does pronounce chet differently from hey. I don't know how it's pronounced in Arabic or Amharic, but I also don't know why you'd expect Hebrew to use the same pronunciation as two other languages do.

Amharic, Arabic, Somali, and other Semitic languages are the closest to the ancient Hebrew spoken language.

So your point here obviously is that Jews have no connection to the Middle East and in fact they're all just Germans, great, fine, you're a brilliant logician. So what? What does that have to do with how to get Israel to stop bombing Gaza today?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yiddish is the real language of the elite Israelis not Hebrew. Germany is their real homeland

The anti Semitism is actually in Ashkenazi Jewish/Israel’s founding fathers’ ethos.

As Helen Thomas said, go back to Poland

Ashkenazi Jews are antisemitic now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One example is the inability of Israelis of European descent to pronounce the letter “ח”(chet). It is supposed to be pronounced as a distinct, guttural sound different from the standard "h" sound of the letter “ה”(hey). This guttural sound is common in Semitic languages like Hebrew and Arabic where the sound is “ح”

Yiddish, influenced by Germanic languages, lacks the guttural ח sound, and speakers often approximated it as a softer "h.”

When Hebrew was created as a spoken language in the late 19th primarily by Ashkenazi Jews in Europe, the pronunciation of ח was influenced by the the German "ch" in "Bach") was adopted as the standard.

DC folks when you listen to an Amharic (Semitic language) speaker you will notice this sound come up a lot and why Semitic people poke fun at Israelis inability to pronounce the “ח” (chet) sound and replace it with “ch.”

What? Israeli Hebrew does pronounce chet differently from hey. I don't know how it's pronounced in Arabic or Amharic, but I also don't know why you'd expect Hebrew to use the same pronunciation as two other languages do.

Amharic, Arabic, Somali, and other Semitic languages are the closest to the ancient Hebrew spoken language.

So your point here obviously is that Jews have no connection to the Middle East and in fact they're all just Germans, great, fine, you're a brilliant logician. So what? What does that have to do with how to get Israel to stop bombing Gaza today?

I did not say that.

I have presented linguistic facts and you are free to make your own deductions but do not put words in my mouth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One example is the inability of Israelis of European descent to pronounce the letter “ח”(chet). It is supposed to be pronounced as a distinct, guttural sound different from the standard "h" sound of the letter “ה”(hey). This guttural sound is common in Semitic languages like Hebrew and Arabic where the sound is “ح”

Yiddish, influenced by Germanic languages, lacks the guttural ח sound, and speakers often approximated it as a softer "h.”

When Hebrew was created as a spoken language in the late 19th primarily by Ashkenazi Jews in Europe, the pronunciation of ח was influenced by the the German "ch" in "Bach") was adopted as the standard.

DC folks when you listen to an Amharic (Semitic language) speaker you will notice this sound come up a lot and why Semitic people poke fun at Israelis inability to pronounce the “ח” (chet) sound and replace it with “ch.”

What? Israeli Hebrew does pronounce chet differently from hey. I don't know how it's pronounced in Arabic or Amharic, but I also don't know why you'd expect Hebrew to use the same pronunciation as two other languages do.

Amharic, Arabic, Somali, and other Semitic languages are the closest to the ancient Hebrew spoken language.

So your point here obviously is that Jews have no connection to the Middle East and in fact they're all just Germans, great, fine, you're a brilliant logician. So what? What does that have to do with how to get Israel to stop bombing Gaza today?

I did not say that.

I have presented linguistic facts and you are free to make your own deductions but do not put words in my mouth.

Okay, what was your point, then? It’s definitely true that the original Jewish immigrants to what’s now Israel spoke different languages (though some Jews already lived there). I don’t think even the craziest apocalyptic settlers would dispute that. But so what? What does that have to do with (a) whether they should have moved there then or (b) what’s happening today?

As for “go back to East Berlin” comments like the one from one PP, I happen to think the Holocaust is used inappropriately by Israeli politicians to fend off criticism. But I will say it’s also not that hard to figure out why there was a desire on the part of Jews and European powers alike to relocate surviving Jews outside of Europe right after the war. (There was also a desire on the part of European powers to relocate Jews long BEFORE the war, but that’s equally irrelevant to what a political solution to today’s problems looks like.)

[Anonymous]

Let's go back to Babylonian days and retrace the aggressions and wars since that time in the Middle East. There are no innocent parties or groups.