Viral clip: Grocer manager entraps special needs deli worker into stealing $100 worth of chicken tenders & fruit cups

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Anonymous wrote:What happened to employers giving free lunch to teens? My first job was on a golf course in the late 80s and we got a free hot dog or egg salad sandwich, chips, soda and candy bar every afternoon. My teen brothers bagged groceries and got a free deli sandwich with any fixings, sides, and a drink every shift.

I worked in a higher end grocery store in the late 90’s (Ukrops in Richmond) and we did not get free food and also had to pay for our required uniforms.

I think some offer it and some don't. It doesn't even matter that this business does not. The gross part is them entrapping their own employee instead of just firing him. It's extremely predatory.

Eh, this kind of thing is standard practice in various companies regardless of whether it's to employees or companies, particularly as states have started having looser/more lenient laws regarding theft (i.e. California considering theft under $950 a minor misdemeanor).

Plenty of such cases of shoplifters getting nabbed at Target and Walmart after they are allowed to rack up large enough debts to constitute a felony and only then do the stores call the police on them. This is really no different.

It is very much different. I don't view a person stealing an Xbox at Target to resell on Amazon or whether else the same as a teen stealing a chicken nugget and a fruit cup. But I guess we have a different set of morals.

Oh no, that's exactly the point. These people are committing theft in smaller amounts, not stealing x-boxes or tvs, but rather going to self checkout and deliberately not scamming small-ticket items like food. That's exactly why they have to give them time, because it takes them several visits to rack up enough of a bill worth prosecuting. It may be no big deal to you that someone wants to steal some chicken nuggets, but when lots of people engage in such behavior it absolutely does become a big issue for these businesses.

And I don't agree with that either, honestly. Catch them in the act, hire more people to check out customers if theft prevention is a thing. How this ever became the law I have no idea.

I take it you dont own a business? Letting people steal from you every day just because you feel sorry for them isnt exactly a great business practice

Who said I'm ok with anyone stealing from a business? I'm most definitely not. I'm just not ok with entrapping people. Perhaps do better to prevent theft as a business owner and don't take the lazy way out.

Not stopping someone from committing a crime is not entrapping them. Learn what words mean.

It may not pass the entrapment test but it is predatory and lazy. You are allowing people to steal from you so that they can get bigger fines and sentences. Stealing is illegal and this practice should be too. Prosecute the offenders immediately.

So you think it would be better if they prosecute everyone who say, misses one item while theyre using self checkout, no matter how small? In many ways, waiting until the amount is substantive prevents prosecution until there is a demonstrated history of repeated shoplifting, and is arguably much more moral on the part of the company.

This is another reason I hate self checkout. You either allow for some of this by saving on paying human workers or you bring humans in to check out customers and prevent theft. You have options. It's not to prosecute everyone for forgetting to scan an onion or allow rampant theft.

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Anonymous wrote:What happened to employers giving free lunch to teens? My first job was on a golf course in the late 80s and we got a free hot dog or egg salad sandwich, chips, soda and candy bar every afternoon. My teen brothers bagged groceries and got a free deli sandwich with any fixings, sides, and a drink every shift.

I worked in a higher end grocery store in the late 90’s (Ukrops in Richmond) and we did not get free food and also had to pay for our required uniforms.

I think some offer it and some don't. It doesn't even matter that this business does not. The gross part is them entrapping their own employee instead of just firing him. It's extremely predatory.

Eh, this kind of thing is standard practice in various companies regardless of whether it's to employees or companies, particularly as states have started having looser/more lenient laws regarding theft (i.e. California considering theft under $950 a minor misdemeanor).

Plenty of such cases of shoplifters getting nabbed at Target and Walmart after they are allowed to rack up large enough debts to constitute a felony and only then do the stores call the police on them. This is really no different.

It is very much different. I don't view a person stealing an Xbox at Target to resell on Amazon or whether else the same as a teen stealing a chicken nugget and a fruit cup. But I guess we have a different set of morals.

Oh no, that's exactly the point. These people are committing theft in smaller amounts, not stealing x-boxes or tvs, but rather going to self checkout and deliberately not scamming small-ticket items like food. That's exactly why they have to give them time, because it takes them several visits to rack up enough of a bill worth prosecuting. It may be no big deal to you that someone wants to steal some chicken nuggets, but when lots of people engage in such behavior it absolutely does become a big issue for these businesses.

And I don't agree with that either, honestly. Catch them in the act, hire more people to check out customers if theft prevention is a thing. How this ever became the law I have no idea.

I take it you dont own a business? Letting people steal from you every day just because you feel sorry for them isnt exactly a great business practice

Who said I'm ok with anyone stealing from a business? I'm most definitely not. I'm just not ok with entrapping people. Perhaps do better to prevent theft as a business owner and don't take the lazy way out.

Not stopping someone from committing a crime is not entrapping them. Learn what words mean.

It may not pass the entrapment test but it is predatory and lazy. You are allowing people to steal from you so that they can get bigger fines and sentences. Stealing is illegal and this practice should be too. Prosecute the offenders immediately.

So you think it would be better if they prosecute everyone who say, misses one item while theyre using self checkout, no matter how small? In many ways, waiting until the amount is substantive prevents prosecution until there is a demonstrated history of repeated shoplifting, and is arguably much more moral on the part of the company.

How is this even a question? Yes, immediately firing a teen employee for “stealing” $5 in lunch items is far superior to having them treated like a street thug and entering the justice system via a trumped up baiting scheme. This sort of traumatic experience and also it permanently being on Google forever can lead to fragile boys spiraling and committing suicide.

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Anonymous wrote:What happened to employers giving free lunch to teens? My first job was on a golf course in the late 80s and we got a free hot dog or egg salad sandwich, chips, soda and candy bar every afternoon. My teen brothers bagged groceries and got a free deli sandwich with any fixings, sides, and a drink every shift.

I worked in a higher end grocery store in the late 90’s (Ukrops in Richmond) and we did not get free food and also had to pay for our required uniforms.

I think some offer it and some don't. It doesn't even matter that this business does not. The gross part is them entrapping their own employee instead of just firing him. It's extremely predatory.

Eh, this kind of thing is standard practice in various companies regardless of whether it's to employees or companies, particularly as states have started having looser/more lenient laws regarding theft (i.e. California considering theft under $950 a minor misdemeanor).

Plenty of such cases of shoplifters getting nabbed at Target and Walmart after they are allowed to rack up large enough debts to constitute a felony and only then do the stores call the police on them. This is really no different.

It is very much different. I don't view a person stealing an Xbox at Target to resell on Amazon or whether else the same as a teen stealing a chicken nugget and a fruit cup. But I guess we have a different set of morals.

Oh no, that's exactly the point. These people are committing theft in smaller amounts, not stealing x-boxes or tvs, but rather going to self checkout and deliberately not scamming small-ticket items like food. That's exactly why they have to give them time, because it takes them several visits to rack up enough of a bill worth prosecuting. It may be no big deal to you that someone wants to steal some chicken nuggets, but when lots of people engage in such behavior it absolutely does become a big issue for these businesses.

And I don't agree with that either, honestly. Catch them in the act, hire more people to check out customers if theft prevention is a thing. How this ever became the law I have no idea.

I take it you dont own a business? Letting people steal from you every day just because you feel sorry for them isnt exactly a great business practice

Who said I'm ok with anyone stealing from a business? I'm most definitely not. I'm just not ok with entrapping people. Perhaps do better to prevent theft as a business owner and don't take the lazy way out.

Not stopping someone from committing a crime is not entrapping them. Learn what words mean.

It may not pass the entrapment test but it is predatory and lazy. You are allowing people to steal from you so that they can get bigger fines and sentences. Stealing is illegal and this practice should be too. Prosecute the offenders immediately.

So you think it would be better if they prosecute everyone who say, misses one item while theyre using self checkout, no matter how small? In many ways, waiting until the amount is substantive prevents prosecution until there is a demonstrated history of repeated shoplifting, and is arguably much more moral on the part of the company.

How is this even a question? Yes, immediately firing a teen employee for “stealing” $5 in lunch items is far superior to having them treated like a street thug and entering the justice system via a trumped up baiting scheme. This sort of traumatic experience and also it permanently being on Google forever can lead to fragile boys spiraling and committing suicide.

That's what happens when cruelty is the end result and not justice.

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Anonymous wrote:What happened to employers giving free lunch to teens? My first job was on a golf course in the late 80s and we got a free hot dog or egg salad sandwich, chips, soda and candy bar every afternoon. My teen brothers bagged groceries and got a free deli sandwich with any fixings, sides, and a drink every shift.

I worked in a higher end grocery store in the late 90’s (Ukrops in Richmond) and we did not get free food and also had to pay for our required uniforms.

I think some offer it and some don't. It doesn't even matter that this business does not. The gross part is them entrapping their own employee instead of just firing him. It's extremely predatory.

Eh, this kind of thing is standard practice in various companies regardless of whether it's to employees or companies, particularly as states have started having looser/more lenient laws regarding theft (i.e. California considering theft under $950 a minor misdemeanor).

Plenty of such cases of shoplifters getting nabbed at Target and Walmart after they are allowed to rack up large enough debts to constitute a felony and only then do the stores call the police on them. This is really no different.

It is very much different. I don't view a person stealing an Xbox at Target to resell on Amazon or whether else the same as a teen stealing a chicken nugget and a fruit cup. But I guess we have a different set of morals.

Oh no, that's exactly the point. These people are committing theft in smaller amounts, not stealing x-boxes or tvs, but rather going to self checkout and deliberately not scamming small-ticket items like food. That's exactly why they have to give them time, because it takes them several visits to rack up enough of a bill worth prosecuting. It may be no big deal to you that someone wants to steal some chicken nuggets, but when lots of people engage in such behavior it absolutely does become a big issue for these businesses.

And I don't agree with that either, honestly. Catch them in the act, hire more people to check out customers if theft prevention is a thing. How this ever became the law I have no idea.

I take it you dont own a business? Letting people steal from you every day just because you feel sorry for them isnt exactly a great business practice

Who said I'm ok with anyone stealing from a business? I'm most definitely not. I'm just not ok with entrapping people. Perhaps do better to prevent theft as a business owner and don't take the lazy way out.

Not stopping someone from committing a crime is not entrapping them. Learn what words mean.

It may not pass the entrapment test but it is predatory and lazy. You are allowing people to steal from you so that they can get bigger fines and sentences. Stealing is illegal and this practice should be too. Prosecute the offenders immediately.

So you think it would be better if they prosecute everyone who say, misses one item while theyre using self checkout, no matter how small? In many ways, waiting until the amount is substantive prevents prosecution until there is a demonstrated history of repeated shoplifting, and is arguably much more moral on the part of the company.

How is this even a question? Yes, immediately firing a teen employee for “stealing” $5 in lunch items is far superior to having them treated like a street thug and entering the justice system via a trumped up baiting scheme. This sort of traumatic experience and also it permanently being on Google forever can lead to fragile boys spiraling and committing suicide.

Well, because you have to extend that to everyone. If you feel so bad for a teen employee that they are now allowed to steal $5 a day in free merchandise then that quickly adds up and becomes an issue. Plenty of people who steal are down on their luck in some way, from single moms to reckless teens to impoverished drug addicts. But it wouldnt really benefit society if we just allowed anyone who has some kind of struggle in life to take whatever they want from the store

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Anonymous wrote:What happened to employers giving free lunch to teens? My first job was on a golf course in the late 80s and we got a free hot dog or egg salad sandwich, chips, soda and candy bar every afternoon. My teen brothers bagged groceries and got a free deli sandwich with any fixings, sides, and a drink every shift.

I worked in a higher end grocery store in the late 90’s (Ukrops in Richmond) and we did not get free food and also had to pay for our required uniforms.

I think some offer it and some don't. It doesn't even matter that this business does not. The gross part is them entrapping their own employee instead of just firing him. It's extremely predatory.

Eh, this kind of thing is standard practice in various companies regardless of whether it's to employees or companies, particularly as states have started having looser/more lenient laws regarding theft (i.e. California considering theft under $950 a minor misdemeanor).

Plenty of such cases of shoplifters getting nabbed at Target and Walmart after they are allowed to rack up large enough debts to constitute a felony and only then do the stores call the police on them. This is really no different.

It is very much different. I don't view a person stealing an Xbox at Target to resell on Amazon or whether else the same as a teen stealing a chicken nugget and a fruit cup. But I guess we have a different set of morals.

Oh no, that's exactly the point. These people are committing theft in smaller amounts, not stealing x-boxes or tvs, but rather going to self checkout and deliberately not scamming small-ticket items like food. That's exactly why they have to give them time, because it takes them several visits to rack up enough of a bill worth prosecuting. It may be no big deal to you that someone wants to steal some chicken nuggets, but when lots of people engage in such behavior it absolutely does become a big issue for these businesses.

And I don't agree with that either, honestly. Catch them in the act, hire more people to check out customers if theft prevention is a thing. How this ever became the law I have no idea.

I take it you dont own a business? Letting people steal from you every day just because you feel sorry for them isnt exactly a great business practice

Who said I'm ok with anyone stealing from a business? I'm most definitely not. I'm just not ok with entrapping people. Perhaps do better to prevent theft as a business owner and don't take the lazy way out.

Not stopping someone from committing a crime is not entrapping them. Learn what words mean.

It may not pass the entrapment test but it is predatory and lazy. You are allowing people to steal from you so that they can get bigger fines and sentences. Stealing is illegal and this practice should be too. Prosecute the offenders immediately.

So you think it would be better if they prosecute everyone who say, misses one item while theyre using self checkout, no matter how small? In many ways, waiting until the amount is substantive prevents prosecution until there is a demonstrated history of repeated shoplifting, and is arguably much more moral on the part of the company.

How is this even a question? Yes, immediately firing a teen employee for “stealing” $5 in lunch items is far superior to having them treated like a street thug and entering the justice system via a trumped up baiting scheme. This sort of traumatic experience and also it permanently being on Google forever can lead to fragile boys spiraling and committing suicide.

This has to be one of the more absurd things I've ever heard, and reminds me of the coddling around the "male loneliness epidemic". Almost anyone who gets arrested or even gets any negative consequence for any action could one day commit suicide... that should hardly be the arbiter for how we approach or handle criminality.

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Anonymous wrote:What happened to employers giving free lunch to teens? My first job was on a golf course in the late 80s and we got a free hot dog or egg salad sandwich, chips, soda and candy bar every afternoon. My teen brothers bagged groceries and got a free deli sandwich with any fixings, sides, and a drink every shift.

I worked in a higher end grocery store in the late 90’s (Ukrops in Richmond) and we did not get free food and also had to pay for our required uniforms.

I think some offer it and some don't. It doesn't even matter that this business does not. The gross part is them entrapping their own employee instead of just firing him. It's extremely predatory.

Eh, this kind of thing is standard practice in various companies regardless of whether it's to employees or companies, particularly as states have started having looser/more lenient laws regarding theft (i.e. California considering theft under $950 a minor misdemeanor).

Plenty of such cases of shoplifters getting nabbed at Target and Walmart after they are allowed to rack up large enough debts to constitute a felony and only then do the stores call the police on them. This is really no different.

It is very much different. I don't view a person stealing an Xbox at Target to resell on Amazon or whether else the same as a teen stealing a chicken nugget and a fruit cup. But I guess we have a different set of morals.

Oh no, that's exactly the point. These people are committing theft in smaller amounts, not stealing x-boxes or tvs, but rather going to self checkout and deliberately not scamming small-ticket items like food. That's exactly why they have to give them time, because it takes them several visits to rack up enough of a bill worth prosecuting. It may be no big deal to you that someone wants to steal some chicken nuggets, but when lots of people engage in such behavior it absolutely does become a big issue for these businesses.

And I don't agree with that either, honestly. Catch them in the act, hire more people to check out customers if theft prevention is a thing. How this ever became the law I have no idea.

I take it you dont own a business? Letting people steal from you every day just because you feel sorry for them isnt exactly a great business practice

Who said I'm ok with anyone stealing from a business? I'm most definitely not. I'm just not ok with entrapping people. Perhaps do better to prevent theft as a business owner and don't take the lazy way out.

Not stopping someone from committing a crime is not entrapping them. Learn what words mean.

It may not pass the entrapment test but it is predatory and lazy. You are allowing people to steal from you so that they can get bigger fines and sentences. Stealing is illegal and this practice should be too. Prosecute the offenders immediately.

So you think it would be better if they prosecute everyone who say, misses one item while theyre using self checkout, no matter how small? In many ways, waiting until the amount is substantive prevents prosecution until there is a demonstrated history of repeated shoplifting, and is arguably much more moral on the part of the company.

How is this even a question? Yes, immediately firing a teen employee for “stealing” $5 in lunch items is far superior to having them treated like a street thug and entering the justice system via a trumped up baiting scheme. This sort of traumatic experience and also it permanently being on Google forever can lead to fragile boys spiraling and committing suicide.

Well, because you have to extend that to everyone. If you feel so bad for a teen employee that they are now allowed to steal $5 a day in free merchandise then that quickly adds up and becomes an issue. Plenty of people who steal are down on their luck in some way, from single moms to reckless teens to impoverished drug addicts. But it wouldnt really benefit society if we just allowed anyone who has some kind of struggle in life to take whatever they want from the store

So prosecute when they steal $5 instead of lying in wait until they steal $120.

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To add my two cents, how hard is it to immediately tell the kid - "hey, we noticed you ate a chicken tender and a fruit cup yesterday. We don't offer complimentary lunches to our employees, just so you know. Please pay for the food you ate yesterday, and pay for any food moving forward. Okay?"

This is a KID. Barely past childhood. This is probably his first job and he probably has no idea he shouldn't eat the food. Is he, or is he not special needs?

How cruel are those jack arses to sic the cops on this boy?

I think the community should let the grocery chain know what they think of the cruelty by taking their business elsewhere.

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Anonymous wrote:What happened to employers giving free lunch to teens? My first job was on a golf course in the late 80s and we got a free hot dog or egg salad sandwich, chips, soda and candy bar every afternoon. My teen brothers bagged groceries and got a free deli sandwich with any fixings, sides, and a drink every shift.

I worked in a higher end grocery store in the late 90’s (Ukrops in Richmond) and we did not get free food and also had to pay for our required uniforms.

I think some offer it and some don't. It doesn't even matter that this business does not. The gross part is them entrapping their own employee instead of just firing him. It's extremely predatory.

Eh, this kind of thing is standard practice in various companies regardless of whether it's to employees or companies, particularly as states have started having looser/more lenient laws regarding theft (i.e. California considering theft under $950 a minor misdemeanor).

Plenty of such cases of shoplifters getting nabbed at Target and Walmart after they are allowed to rack up large enough debts to constitute a felony and only then do the stores call the police on them. This is really no different.

It is very much different. I don't view a person stealing an Xbox at Target to resell on Amazon or whether else the same as a teen stealing a chicken nugget and a fruit cup. But I guess we have a different set of morals.

Oh no, that's exactly the point. These people are committing theft in smaller amounts, not stealing x-boxes or tvs, but rather going to self checkout and deliberately not scamming small-ticket items like food. That's exactly why they have to give them time, because it takes them several visits to rack up enough of a bill worth prosecuting. It may be no big deal to you that someone wants to steal some chicken nuggets, but when lots of people engage in such behavior it absolutely does become a big issue for these businesses.

And I don't agree with that either, honestly. Catch them in the act, hire more people to check out customers if theft prevention is a thing. How this ever became the law I have no idea.

I take it you dont own a business? Letting people steal from you every day just because you feel sorry for them isnt exactly a great business practice

Who said I'm ok with anyone stealing from a business? I'm most definitely not. I'm just not ok with entrapping people. Perhaps do better to prevent theft as a business owner and don't take the lazy way out.

Not stopping someone from committing a crime is not entrapping them. Learn what words mean.

It may not pass the entrapment test but it is predatory and lazy. You are allowing people to steal from you so that they can get bigger fines and sentences. Stealing is illegal and this practice should be too. Prosecute the offenders immediately.

So you think it would be better if they prosecute everyone who say, misses one item while theyre using self checkout, no matter how small? In many ways, waiting until the amount is substantive prevents prosecution until there is a demonstrated history of repeated shoplifting, and is arguably much more moral on the part of the company.

How is this even a question? Yes, immediately firing a teen employee for “stealing” $5 in lunch items is far superior to having them treated like a street thug and entering the justice system via a trumped up baiting scheme. This sort of traumatic experience and also it permanently being on Google forever can lead to fragile boys spiraling and committing suicide.

Well, because you have to extend that to everyone. If you feel so bad for a teen employee that they are now allowed to steal $5 a day in free merchandise then that quickly adds up and becomes an issue. Plenty of people who steal are down on their luck in some way, from single moms to reckless teens to impoverished drug addicts. But it wouldnt really benefit society if we just allowed anyone who has some kind of struggle in life to take whatever they want from the store

So prosecute when they steal $5 instead of lying in wait until they steal $120.

So you want even harsher and stricter enforcement of theft rules, even against a poor teenage boy?

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Anonymous wrote:What happened to employers giving free lunch to teens? My first job was on a golf course in the late 80s and we got a free hot dog or egg salad sandwich, chips, soda and candy bar every afternoon. My teen brothers bagged groceries and got a free deli sandwich with any fixings, sides, and a drink every shift.

I worked in a higher end grocery store in the late 90’s (Ukrops in Richmond) and we did not get free food and also had to pay for our required uniforms.

I think some offer it and some don't. It doesn't even matter that this business does not. The gross part is them entrapping their own employee instead of just firing him. It's extremely predatory.

Eh, this kind of thing is standard practice in various companies regardless of whether it's to employees or companies, particularly as states have started having looser/more lenient laws regarding theft (i.e. California considering theft under $950 a minor misdemeanor).

Plenty of such cases of shoplifters getting nabbed at Target and Walmart after they are allowed to rack up large enough debts to constitute a felony and only then do the stores call the police on them. This is really no different.

It is very much different. I don't view a person stealing an Xbox at Target to resell on Amazon or whether else the same as a teen stealing a chicken nugget and a fruit cup. But I guess we have a different set of morals.

Oh no, that's exactly the point. These people are committing theft in smaller amounts, not stealing x-boxes or tvs, but rather going to self checkout and deliberately not scamming small-ticket items like food. That's exactly why they have to give them time, because it takes them several visits to rack up enough of a bill worth prosecuting. It may be no big deal to you that someone wants to steal some chicken nuggets, but when lots of people engage in such behavior it absolutely does become a big issue for these businesses.

And I don't agree with that either, honestly. Catch them in the act, hire more people to check out customers if theft prevention is a thing. How this ever became the law I have no idea.

I take it you dont own a business? Letting people steal from you every day just because you feel sorry for them isnt exactly a great business practice

Who said I'm ok with anyone stealing from a business? I'm most definitely not. I'm just not ok with entrapping people. Perhaps do better to prevent theft as a business owner and don't take the lazy way out.

Not stopping someone from committing a crime is not entrapping them. Learn what words mean.

It may not pass the entrapment test but it is predatory and lazy. You are allowing people to steal from you so that they can get bigger fines and sentences. Stealing is illegal and this practice should be too. Prosecute the offenders immediately.

So you think it would be better if they prosecute everyone who say, misses one item while theyre using self checkout, no matter how small? In many ways, waiting until the amount is substantive prevents prosecution until there is a demonstrated history of repeated shoplifting, and is arguably much more moral on the part of the company.

How is this even a question? Yes, immediately firing a teen employee for “stealing” $5 in lunch items is far superior to having them treated like a street thug and entering the justice system via a trumped up baiting scheme. This sort of traumatic experience and also it permanently being on Google forever can lead to fragile boys spiraling and committing suicide.

Well, because you have to extend that to everyone. If you feel so bad for a teen employee that they are now allowed to steal $5 a day in free merchandise then that quickly adds up and becomes an issue. Plenty of people who steal are down on their luck in some way, from single moms to reckless teens to impoverished drug addicts. But it wouldnt really benefit society if we just allowed anyone who has some kind of struggle in life to take whatever they want from the store

So prosecute when they steal $5 instead of lying in wait until they steal $120.

So you want even harsher and stricter enforcement of theft rules, even against a poor teenage boy?

Hardly. You want to wait until it becomes a felony. I want them to answer for the crime they actually committed.

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This kid had a felony hung on him?!!!

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Anonymous wrote:This kid had a felony hung on him?!!!

I don’t know if this specific kid has a felony hung on him. That’s state specific. But target and other big retailers certainly wait until the amount reaches a felony amount to prosecute. More efficient that way for them.

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The streets of suburban Ohio are much safer now that this violent criminal is in jail.

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The answer is more tariffs

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Anonymous wrote:What happened to employers giving free lunch to teens? My first job was on a golf course in the late 80s and we got a free hot dog or egg salad sandwich, chips, soda and candy bar every afternoon. My teen brothers bagged groceries and got a free deli sandwich with any fixings, sides, and a drink every shift.

I worked in a higher end grocery store in the late 90’s (Ukrops in Richmond) and we did not get free food and also had to pay for our required uniforms.

I think some offer it and some don't. It doesn't even matter that this business does not. The gross part is them entrapping their own employee instead of just firing him. It's extremely predatory.

Eh, this kind of thing is standard practice in various companies regardless of whether it's to employees or companies, particularly as states have started having looser/more lenient laws regarding theft (i.e. California considering theft under $950 a minor misdemeanor).

Plenty of such cases of shoplifters getting nabbed at Target and Walmart after they are allowed to rack up large enough debts to constitute a felony and only then do the stores call the police on them. This is really no different.

It is very much different. I don't view a person stealing an Xbox at Target to resell on Amazon or whether else the same as a teen stealing a chicken nugget and a fruit cup. But I guess we have a different set of morals.

Oh no, that's exactly the point. These people are committing theft in smaller amounts, not stealing x-boxes or tvs, but rather going to self checkout and deliberately not scamming small-ticket items like food. That's exactly why they have to give them time, because it takes them several visits to rack up enough of a bill worth prosecuting. It may be no big deal to you that someone wants to steal some chicken nuggets, but when lots of people engage in such behavior it absolutely does become a big issue for these businesses.

And I don't agree with that either, honestly. Catch them in the act, hire more people to check out customers if theft prevention is a thing. How this ever became the law I have no idea.

I take it you dont own a business? Letting people steal from you every day just because you feel sorry for them isnt exactly a great business practice

Who said I'm ok with anyone stealing from a business? I'm most definitely not. I'm just not ok with entrapping people. Perhaps do better to prevent theft as a business owner and don't take the lazy way out.

Not stopping someone from committing a crime is not entrapping them. Learn what words mean.

It may not pass the entrapment test but it is predatory and lazy. You are allowing people to steal from you so that they can get bigger fines and sentences. Stealing is illegal and this practice should be too. Prosecute the offenders immediately.

So you think it would be better if they prosecute everyone who say, misses one item while theyre using self checkout, no matter how small? In many ways, waiting until the amount is substantive prevents prosecution until there is a demonstrated history of repeated shoplifting, and is arguably much more moral on the part of the company.

How is this even a question? Yes, immediately firing a teen employee for “stealing” $5 in lunch items is far superior to having them treated like a street thug and entering the justice system via a trumped up baiting scheme. This sort of traumatic experience and also it permanently being on Google forever can lead to fragile boys spiraling and committing suicide.

That's what happens when cruelty is the end result and not justice.

End result? Cruelty is the motivation.

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Anonymous wrote:The manager saw him eat the food 10 times and never said it was wrong. That's consent. No theft occurred.

The manager intentionally let food go to waste. The manager stole from Meijer.

So much food goes to waste in grocery stores. You have no idea.

I went by a Harris Teeter salad bar when they were closing up at night. An employee had a shopping cart lined with a plastic bag and was just tipping out the bins en masse.