Two dogs killed & two women injured

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Anonymous wrote:Moco360 reports that the attacking dog was a pit bull:
https://moco360.media/2024/12/18/pitbull-fatally-shot-wednesday-after-attacking-two-women-in-bethesda/

Was it a rescue?

I have never met anyone with a pit bull that wasn’t a rescue. I guess there are pit bull breeders out there and I guess there are some people out there who willingly get one from a breeder, but in my UMC liberal circles, all the pits are rescues. I’d be super duper surprised if there is a pit in bethesda that’s not a rescue.

Makes sense. Rescues are dangerous. Pitbulls are dangerous. It’s a terrible combination.

This isn't so. You do realize that there are Golden Retriever rescues, Border collie rescues etc and they aren't dangerous? If dogs attacked all the time this wouldn't be news.

There are 4.5 million dog bites a year

"the PITBULL was not contained and was EATING THE OTHER DOG in the yard of a residence"

Because rescues were abused and attack

Clearly you don't volunteer for a rescue. The majority of dogs come in because people are moving, or their schedules change (all the pandemic puppies when their owners went back to working in the office instead of at-home), or they've had a kid and the dog isn't a good fit...

Abused animals have a different protocol, get separated for different screening, and are usually NOT just adopted out to anyone. Those of us who volunteer our time and energy do it because we love the animals and want better for them.

Then you ignorant idiots come along and post out your backsides with this absolute nonsense, and somehow it's taken as truth.

Go volunteer at a shelter and learn something. Clear your dishonesty debts.

I’m a little confused by your post only because I know so many people with rescue dogs that say things like “he doesn’t like men—they think he was probably abused by one.” Or “he doesn’t like kids—they think he probably had bad experiences with them.” These are like your run of the mill dog adopters, not people that have any special training dealing with traumatized animals or anything. I totally agree that not all rescues are like this but in my social circle, I’d say about half of the rescues have some sort of anxiety trigger that is known to the owners.

Ah, yes, the magical thinking that untrained owners use to justify improperly training their animals. "He doesn't like men"? Well then, your job is to encounter as many men as you can and retrain your dog. "he doesn't like kids?" Teach your dog to sit quietly and down stay outside the playground at recess time (outside; do not force your poorly trained animal on anyone, especially kids) until he calms down.

Very few shelters are going to adopt a truly traumatized/abused animal to a noob. It's bad for the dog and bad for the shelter (who will likely see the dog again in short order). Some people have their "every rescue dog has baggage" mentality linked up with their victim narratives and use it to justify all their dogs' poor behavior. Responsible owners don't make excuses. They train their dogs.

I've worked with a lot of dogs who really did have "damage". They're retrainable. I've got one now who would barely leave her crate when I first fostered her, even for hot dog pieces and other high-value treats. She'd lay flat anytime we tried to leash her (ever tried to walk a cat? like that :lol About half a year later, she's can still be skittish in unfamiliar environments, but we go on mile-long walks daily, past construction sites (full of men), and can do polite meet-and-greets with other dogs and their owners, including children. Part of that is that I know what I'm doing; I've been doing this for decades now. Most of that is that I didn't make excuses for my animal, and instead provided her with the training and resources she needed to overcome her insecurities/faults.

There is definitely a pervasive "rescued dog owner" mentality and it's a huge red flag to people who know better. Again, blame the owners/excuse-makers, not the animals. The sad thing is, dog training isn't some kind of arcane lore. It's entirely possible to read a few books, take a few classes, work with someone who knows more than you do and rescue an average dog with excellent results. That so many people don't is about the low-quality of dog owners these days, not a statement about their poorly-handled pets.

If you let your aggressive, scared of kids pit bull lay down outside my kids school at recess to “train it”, I’m going to call the police on you. My elementary kid is afraid of dogs after a dog (a pit bull of course, but you won’t believe me I’m sure) ran away from his owner and attacked his sister in front of him. (She is fine now, except for scarring on her arm, thanks for asking). If you subject him to your dog sitting directly outside the fence staring at him as he tries to have recess, you are a terrible human being.

DP. It sounds like both the rescue dog and your DC would benefit from PP.

My kids both see a therapist for PTSD, thanks. I don’t need your “help” by posting your aggressive towards children dog outside my kids recess in order to train it. I’d personally rather your dog just be euthanized if it’s aggressive to children, but since I can’t do that, I’ll focus on making sure you don’t use my traumatized kids to train your dog during elementary school recess when they’re supposed to be relaxing and playing, not being forced to undergo exposure therapy.

Since you are posting here, I will give you more unsolicited advice. Drop the "therapist". Your kids don't need it, and by your admission, it isn't helping.

You OTOH need serious therapy.

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Anonymous wrote:no breed description? hmmmm.

Later post updated - a pit

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Anonymous wrote:Moco360 reports that the attacking dog was a pit bull:
https://moco360.media/2024/12/18/pitbull-fatally-shot-wednesday-after-attacking-two-women-in-bethesda/

Was it a rescue?

I have never met anyone with a pit bull that wasn’t a rescue. I guess there are pit bull breeders out there and I guess there are some people out there who willingly get one from a breeder, but in my UMC liberal circles, all the pits are rescues. I’d be super duper surprised if there is a pit in bethesda that’s not a rescue.

Makes sense. Rescues are dangerous. Pitbulls are dangerous. It’s a terrible combination.

This isn't so. You do realize that there are Golden Retriever rescues, Border collie rescues etc and they aren't dangerous? If dogs attacked all the time this wouldn't be news.

There are 4.5 million dog bites a year

"the PITBULL was not contained and was EATING THE OTHER DOG in the yard of a residence"

Because rescues were abused and attack

Clearly you don't volunteer for a rescue. The majority of dogs come in because people are moving, or their schedules change (all the pandemic puppies when their owners went back to working in the office instead of at-home), or they've had a kid and the dog isn't a good fit...

Abused animals have a different protocol, get separated for different screening, and are usually NOT just adopted out to anyone. Those of us who volunteer our time and energy do it because we love the animals and want better for them.

Then you ignorant idiots come along and post out your backsides with this absolute nonsense, and somehow it's taken as truth.

Go volunteer at a shelter and learn something. Clear your dishonesty debts.

I’m a little confused by your post only because I know so many people with rescue dogs that say things like “he doesn’t like men—they think he was probably abused by one.” Or “he doesn’t like kids—they think he probably had bad experiences with them.” These are like your run of the mill dog adopters, not people that have any special training dealing with traumatized animals or anything. I totally agree that not all rescues are like this but in my social circle, I’d say about half of the rescues have some sort of anxiety trigger that is known to the owners.

Ah, yes, the magical thinking that untrained owners use to justify improperly training their animals. "He doesn't like men"? Well then, your job is to encounter as many men as you can and retrain your dog. "he doesn't like kids?" Teach your dog to sit quietly and down stay outside the playground at recess time (outside; do not force your poorly trained animal on anyone, especially kids) until he calms down.

Very few shelters are going to adopt a truly traumatized/abused animal to a noob. It's bad for the dog and bad for the shelter (who will likely see the dog again in short order). Some people have their "every rescue dog has baggage" mentality linked up with their victim narratives and use it to justify all their dogs' poor behavior. Responsible owners don't make excuses. They train their dogs.

I've worked with a lot of dogs who really did have "damage". They're retrainable. I've got one now who would barely leave her crate when I first fostered her, even for hot dog pieces and other high-value treats. She'd lay flat anytime we tried to leash her (ever tried to walk a cat? like that :lol About half a year later, she's can still be skittish in unfamiliar environments, but we go on mile-long walks daily, past construction sites (full of men), and can do polite meet-and-greets with other dogs and their owners, including children. Part of that is that I know what I'm doing; I've been doing this for decades now. Most of that is that I didn't make excuses for my animal, and instead provided her with the training and resources she needed to overcome her insecurities/faults.

There is definitely a pervasive "rescued dog owner" mentality and it's a huge red flag to people who know better. Again, blame the owners/excuse-makers, not the animals. The sad thing is, dog training isn't some kind of arcane lore. It's entirely possible to read a few books, take a few classes, work with someone who knows more than you do and rescue an average dog with excellent results. That so many people don't is about the low-quality of dog owners these days, not a statement about their poorly-handled pets.

If you let your aggressive, scared of kids pit bull lay down outside my kids school at recess to “train it”, I’m going to call the police on you. My elementary kid is afraid of dogs after a dog (a pit bull of course, but you won’t believe me I’m sure) ran away from his owner and attacked his sister in front of him. (She is fine now, except for scarring on her arm, thanks for asking). If you subject him to your dog sitting directly outside the fence staring at him as he tries to have recess, you are a terrible human being.

DP. It sounds like both the rescue dog and your DC would benefit from PP.

My kids both see a therapist for PTSD, thanks. I don’t need your “help” by posting your aggressive towards children dog outside my kids recess in order to train it. I’d personally rather your dog just be euthanized if it’s aggressive to children, but since I can’t do that, I’ll focus on making sure you don’t use my traumatized kids to train your dog during elementary school recess when they’re supposed to be relaxing and playing, not being forced to undergo exposure therapy.

Since you are posting here, I will give you more unsolicited advice. Drop the "therapist". Your kids don't need it, and by your admission, it isn't helping.

So they don’t need it, or they do need it but it isn’t helping? Those are opposite “suggestions”. From a stranger on the internet, lol. About my kids health and their traumatic experience with a pit bull. Thanks for the advice! My advice to you is to euthanize your dog!

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Anonymous wrote:the posters posting the dog bite statistics is misleading - it is true all breeds can bite but they do not all maul or kill other dogs walking around neighborhoods. Dachsunds probably have pretty high bite stats but there is no change the surly hotdog dog down the street is going to kill my standard poodle. Not so sure about the growling pit mixes that we go way out of our way to avoid.

I was walking my leashed dog along a trail and he was sniffing at a fence that backed to the trail. The owner yelled over to back up becuase his dog (pit) was vicious. Dude, if you are so worried about your dog attacking another dog who is on the other side of a 6 foot fence from him then perhaps this is not the right dog for a residential neighborhood, particularly if your yard backs up to a walking trail. This is my issue with pit owners — I’ve never met a GSD or Rottweiler owner that didn’t have respect for the breed and its strengths/challenges. The pit owners are just largely oblivious and I blame it one the culture of “adopt don’t buy” combined with the rescues acting like these are not dogs with particular needs—the combination means that people are guilted into getting dogs that they are not qualified to handle and don’t have the right environment for. I think the pit fans do themselves no favors with this attitude.

Pit owners are not oblivious. They know exactly what they are doing when they buy or adopt a pit bull. The entire purpose of owning the most violent breed on Earth is to scare and intimidate other people. They are like the open carry gun fanatics. The reason people have a weapon like a pit bull is to terrorize their community. Without exception, pit bull owners are all lowlife psychopaths who lack empathy or concern for others.

Please identify so I can avoid your crazy ass. Lordy Jaysus...

1) not "the most violent breed on Earth". Not by a long shot. You clearly know little more than clickbait news has taught you about dog breeds if you believe this.
2) Why do you think people get GSDs, Rotties, Dobies, etc.? Yes, we want you to leave us, and our dogs, alone. Why is that a problem for you? Why do you feel so entitled to other people's time and space that you see their dogs as "terrorizing" you simply by existing? Maybe if you were less psychotic and understood how to mind your own damned business, people wouldn't feel a need to walk a giant "stay back" warning?
3) Speaking of lacking empathy and concern for others, not a single one of your anti-pit nutters can make a solid, fact-based case without sounding like a deranged lunatic. You are so full of your own vitriol that you completely lack the ability to simply allow others to disagree with some grace. You don't listen to facts, you won't change your minds, you are closed-minded bigots, devoid of empathy and concern for others AND common sense.

Be quiet. And maybe take your meds? You sound unstable. maybe you're projecting your own character defects onto "pit bulls" instead of getting the help you need...

DP. Are you aware which thread you are posting on? Take a look at the thread title, if you forgot.

If you're new here, that little button in the upper left will unlock the whole thread so you can read and follow along.

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A dog stays by your side motionless until you give it permission to move. That is a trained dog.

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Anonymous wrote:It just got removed but one of the pit defenders just called me a dumba## for walking my leashed dog in a public walking path while he sniffed the OUTSIDE perimeter of a pit owners yard, causing the pit to go crazy vicious. Pit owners and defenders, really, you do no one any favors by blaming other people for engaging in normal behavior like walking their leashed dog along a walking trail.

"Crazy vicious" = barking on its own side of the fence, yeah? Walking on the trail is not the same as letting your dog off trail to sniff on/over other people's property line.

You sound as described previously.

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Anonymous wrote:Pit Bulls are crazy dangerous. When in pairs, they go on wild killing spree if running loose.

Insurance statistics show that, by far, Pit Bulls attack & bite humans & animals more than any other breed.

Pit Bull owners live in a fantasy world. Pits should be banned.

Citation needed

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I have been bitten once. By a lab.

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Anonymous wrote:Moco360 reports that the attacking dog was a pit bull:
https://moco360.media/2024/12/18/pitbull-fatally-shot-wednesday-after-attacking-two-women-in-bethesda/

Was it a rescue?

I have never met anyone with a pit bull that wasn’t a rescue. I guess there are pit bull breeders out there and I guess there are some people out there who willingly get one from a breeder, but in my UMC liberal circles, all the pits are rescues. I’d be super duper surprised if there is a pit in bethesda that’s not a rescue.

Makes sense. Rescues are dangerous. Pitbulls are dangerous. It’s a terrible combination.

This isn't so. You do realize that there are Golden Retriever rescues, Border collie rescues etc and they aren't dangerous? If dogs attacked all the time this wouldn't be news.

There are 4.5 million dog bites a year

"the PITBULL was not contained and was EATING THE OTHER DOG in the yard of a residence"

Because rescues were abused and attack

Clearly you don't volunteer for a rescue. The majority of dogs come in because people are moving, or their schedules change (all the pandemic puppies when their owners went back to working in the office instead of at-home), or they've had a kid and the dog isn't a good fit...

Abused animals have a different protocol, get separated for different screening, and are usually NOT just adopted out to anyone. Those of us who volunteer our time and energy do it because we love the animals and want better for them.

Then you ignorant idiots come along and post out your backsides with this absolute nonsense, and somehow it's taken as truth.

Go volunteer at a shelter and learn something. Clear your dishonesty debts.

I’m a little confused by your post only because I know so many people with rescue dogs that say things like “he doesn’t like men—they think he was probably abused by one.” Or “he doesn’t like kids—they think he probably had bad experiences with them.” These are like your run of the mill dog adopters, not people that have any special training dealing with traumatized animals or anything. I totally agree that not all rescues are like this but in my social circle, I’d say about half of the rescues have some sort of anxiety trigger that is known to the owners.

Ah, yes, the magical thinking that untrained owners use to justify improperly training their animals. "He doesn't like men"? Well then, your job is to encounter as many men as you can and retrain your dog. "he doesn't like kids?" Teach your dog to sit quietly and down stay outside the playground at recess time (outside; do not force your poorly trained animal on anyone, especially kids) until he calms down.

Very few shelters are going to adopt a truly traumatized/abused animal to a noob. It's bad for the dog and bad for the shelter (who will likely see the dog again in short order). Some people have their "every rescue dog has baggage" mentality linked up with their victim narratives and use it to justify all their dogs' poor behavior. Responsible owners don't make excuses. They train their dogs.

I've worked with a lot of dogs who really did have "damage". They're retrainable. I've got one now who would barely leave her crate when I first fostered her, even for hot dog pieces and other high-value treats. She'd lay flat anytime we tried to leash her (ever tried to walk a cat? like that :lol About half a year later, she's can still be skittish in unfamiliar environments, but we go on mile-long walks daily, past construction sites (full of men), and can do polite meet-and-greets with other dogs and their owners, including children. Part of that is that I know what I'm doing; I've been doing this for decades now. Most of that is that I didn't make excuses for my animal, and instead provided her with the training and resources she needed to overcome her insecurities/faults.

There is definitely a pervasive "rescued dog owner" mentality and it's a huge red flag to people who know better. Again, blame the owners/excuse-makers, not the animals. The sad thing is, dog training isn't some kind of arcane lore. It's entirely possible to read a few books, take a few classes, work with someone who knows more than you do and rescue an average dog with excellent results. That so many people don't is about the low-quality of dog owners these days, not a statement about their poorly-handled pets.

If you let your aggressive, scared of kids pit bull lay down outside my kids school at recess to “train it”, I’m going to call the police on you. My elementary kid is afraid of dogs after a dog (a pit bull of course, but you won’t believe me I’m sure) ran away from his owner and attacked his sister in front of him. (She is fine now, except for scarring on her arm, thanks for asking). If you subject him to your dog sitting directly outside the fence staring at him as he tries to have recess, you are a terrible human being.

Another illiterate idiot. What I wrote was: "Teach your dog to sit quietly and down stay outside the playground at recess time (outside; do not force your poorly trained animal on anyone, especially kids) until he calms down."

What you apparently managed to interpret was: OMG!!111 PITBULLZ ARE TEH DEBIL!!!!! YOU ARE A TERRIBLE HUMAN BEING!!!

It's like y'all glitch when you see "pit bull". It would be funny if it weren't apparently contagious, and didn't result in thousands of innocent dogs getting put down because ignorant people didn't like them

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Anonymous wrote:Unleashed dogs, dogs in stores, dogs in restaurants. All of this goes back to loose and unenforced animal laws. It all comes down to selfish, uneducated and entitled dog owners.

I’m also going place blame on rescues shipping in unwanted dogs from other states. So many of them are Pitbulls and pit mixes.

Pit bulls are inherently stronger with a jaw that locks on. It makes them so dangerous and while other dogs can also bite, like a golden retriever or a Chihuahua, they don’t have the jaw strength that a pitbull does and doesn’t make them as dangerous.

Their. Jaws. Do. Not. Lock.

Seriously.

This is so easy to debunk if you try, even just a little. They don't have the strongest bite force, their jaws do not lock, they're far from the only breed trained to grab and hold...

You do your own point no service when you trot out these tropes.

Do you prefer if I say ‘they clamp down really really really really hard and it’s really really really hard to open them back up’?

Is there a worse group of people on the planet than the pit bull apologists? They constantly resort to semantics to defend their right to own ticking-time-bomb ugly monster dogs.

I can think of at least one, and you're part of it!

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Anonymous wrote:It just got removed but one of the pit defenders just called me a dumba## for walking my leashed dog in a public walking path while he sniffed the OUTSIDE perimeter of a pit owners yard, causing the pit to go crazy vicious. Pit owners and defenders, really, you do no one any favors by blaming other people for engaging in normal behavior like walking their leashed dog along a walking trail.

You really should not be letting your dog sniff fences. That is basically etiquette. Have your dog under better control.

Thank you! There are at least two of us here who understand the rule isn't "it's on a leash so it can go wherever it wants and do whatever when it gets there."

These new dog owners are the real problem.

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Anonymous wrote:Moco360 reports that the attacking dog was a pit bull:
https://moco360.media/2024/12/18/pitbull-fatally-shot-wednesday-after-attacking-two-women-in-bethesda/

Was it a rescue?

I have never met anyone with a pit bull that wasn’t a rescue. I guess there are pit bull breeders out there and I guess there are some people out there who willingly get one from a breeder, but in my UMC liberal circles, all the pits are rescues. I’d be super duper surprised if there is a pit in bethesda that’s not a rescue.

Makes sense. Rescues are dangerous. Pitbulls are dangerous. It’s a terrible combination.

This isn't so. You do realize that there are Golden Retriever rescues, Border collie rescues etc and they aren't dangerous? If dogs attacked all the time this wouldn't be news.

There are 4.5 million dog bites a year

"the PITBULL was not contained and was EATING THE OTHER DOG in the yard of a residence"

Because rescues were abused and attack

Clearly you don't volunteer for a rescue. The majority of dogs come in because people are moving, or their schedules change (all the pandemic puppies when their owners went back to working in the office instead of at-home), or they've had a kid and the dog isn't a good fit...

Abused animals have a different protocol, get separated for different screening, and are usually NOT just adopted out to anyone. Those of us who volunteer our time and energy do it because we love the animals and want better for them.

Then you ignorant idiots come along and post out your backsides with this absolute nonsense, and somehow it's taken as truth.

Go volunteer at a shelter and learn something. Clear your dishonesty debts.

I’m a little confused by your post only because I know so many people with rescue dogs that say things like “he doesn’t like men—they think he was probably abused by one.” Or “he doesn’t like kids—they think he probably had bad experiences with them.” These are like your run of the mill dog adopters, not people that have any special training dealing with traumatized animals or anything. I totally agree that not all rescues are like this but in my social circle, I’d say about half of the rescues have some sort of anxiety trigger that is known to the owners.

Ah, yes, the magical thinking that untrained owners use to justify improperly training their animals. "He doesn't like men"? Well then, your job is to encounter as many men as you can and retrain your dog. "he doesn't like kids?" Teach your dog to sit quietly and down stay outside the playground at recess time (outside; do not force your poorly trained animal on anyone, especially kids) until he calms down.

Very few shelters are going to adopt a truly traumatized/abused animal to a noob. It's bad for the dog and bad for the shelter (who will likely see the dog again in short order). Some people have their "every rescue dog has baggage" mentality linked up with their victim narratives and use it to justify all their dogs' poor behavior. Responsible owners don't make excuses. They train their dogs.

I've worked with a lot of dogs who really did have "damage". They're retrainable. I've got one now who would barely leave her crate when I first fostered her, even for hot dog pieces and other high-value treats. She'd lay flat anytime we tried to leash her (ever tried to walk a cat? like that :lol About half a year later, she's can still be skittish in unfamiliar environments, but we go on mile-long walks daily, past construction sites (full of men), and can do polite meet-and-greets with other dogs and their owners, including children. Part of that is that I know what I'm doing; I've been doing this for decades now. Most of that is that I didn't make excuses for my animal, and instead provided her with the training and resources she needed to overcome her insecurities/faults.

There is definitely a pervasive "rescued dog owner" mentality and it's a huge red flag to people who know better. Again, blame the owners/excuse-makers, not the animals. The sad thing is, dog training isn't some kind of arcane lore. It's entirely possible to read a few books, take a few classes, work with someone who knows more than you do and rescue an average dog with excellent results. That so many people don't is about the low-quality of dog owners these days, not a statement about their poorly-handled pets.

If you let your aggressive, scared of kids pit bull lay down outside my kids school at recess to “train it”, I’m going to call the police on you. My elementary kid is afraid of dogs after a dog (a pit bull of course, but you won’t believe me I’m sure) ran away from his owner and attacked his sister in front of him. (She is fine now, except for scarring on her arm, thanks for asking). If you subject him to your dog sitting directly outside the fence staring at him as he tries to have recess, you are a terrible human being.

DP. It sounds like both the rescue dog and your DC would benefit from PP.

My kids both see a therapist for PTSD, thanks. I don’t need your “help” by posting your aggressive towards children dog outside my kids recess in order to train it. I’d personally rather your dog just be euthanized if it’s aggressive to children, but since I can’t do that, I’ll focus on making sure you don’t use my traumatized kids to train your dog during elementary school recess when they’re supposed to be relaxing and playing, not being forced to undergo exposure therapy.

Again, your assumption that the dog is "aggressive" and your snap judgment that it should die so you don't have to challenge your ignorance.

Thank you for so clearly illustrating some of the main problems on your side of this argument.

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Anonymous wrote:Moco360 reports that the attacking dog was a pit bull:
https://moco360.media/2024/12/18/pitbull-fatally-shot-wednesday-after-attacking-two-women-in-bethesda/

Was it a rescue?

I have never met anyone with a pit bull that wasn’t a rescue. I guess there are pit bull breeders out there and I guess there are some people out there who willingly get one from a breeder, but in my UMC liberal circles, all the pits are rescues. I’d be super duper surprised if there is a pit in bethesda that’s not a rescue.

Makes sense. Rescues are dangerous. Pitbulls are dangerous. It’s a terrible combination.

This isn't so. You do realize that there are Golden Retriever rescues, Border collie rescues etc and they aren't dangerous? If dogs attacked all the time this wouldn't be news.

There are 4.5 million dog bites a year

"the PITBULL was not contained and was EATING THE OTHER DOG in the yard of a residence"

Because rescues were abused and attack

Clearly you don't volunteer for a rescue. The majority of dogs come in because people are moving, or their schedules change (all the pandemic puppies when their owners went back to working in the office instead of at-home), or they've had a kid and the dog isn't a good fit...

Abused animals have a different protocol, get separated for different screening, and are usually NOT just adopted out to anyone. Those of us who volunteer our time and energy do it because we love the animals and want better for them.

Then you ignorant idiots come along and post out your backsides with this absolute nonsense, and somehow it's taken as truth.

Go volunteer at a shelter and learn something. Clear your dishonesty debts.

I’m a little confused by your post only because I know so many people with rescue dogs that say things like “he doesn’t like men—they think he was probably abused by one.” Or “he doesn’t like kids—they think he probably had bad experiences with them.” These are like your run of the mill dog adopters, not people that have any special training dealing with traumatized animals or anything. I totally agree that not all rescues are like this but in my social circle, I’d say about half of the rescues have some sort of anxiety trigger that is known to the owners.

Ah, yes, the magical thinking that untrained owners use to justify improperly training their animals. "He doesn't like men"? Well then, your job is to encounter as many men as you can and retrain your dog. "he doesn't like kids?" Teach your dog to sit quietly and down stay outside the playground at recess time (outside; do not force your poorly trained animal on anyone, especially kids) until he calms down.

Very few shelters are going to adopt a truly traumatized/abused animal to a noob. It's bad for the dog and bad for the shelter (who will likely see the dog again in short order). Some people have their "every rescue dog has baggage" mentality linked up with their victim narratives and use it to justify all their dogs' poor behavior. Responsible owners don't make excuses. They train their dogs.

I've worked with a lot of dogs who really did have "damage". They're retrainable. I've got one now who would barely leave her crate when I first fostered her, even for hot dog pieces and other high-value treats. She'd lay flat anytime we tried to leash her (ever tried to walk a cat? like that :lol About half a year later, she's can still be skittish in unfamiliar environments, but we go on mile-long walks daily, past construction sites (full of men), and can do polite meet-and-greets with other dogs and their owners, including children. Part of that is that I know what I'm doing; I've been doing this for decades now. Most of that is that I didn't make excuses for my animal, and instead provided her with the training and resources she needed to overcome her insecurities/faults.

There is definitely a pervasive "rescued dog owner" mentality and it's a huge red flag to people who know better. Again, blame the owners/excuse-makers, not the animals. The sad thing is, dog training isn't some kind of arcane lore. It's entirely possible to read a few books, take a few classes, work with someone who knows more than you do and rescue an average dog with excellent results. That so many people don't is about the low-quality of dog owners these days, not a statement about their poorly-handled pets.

If you let your aggressive, scared of kids pit bull lay down outside my kids school at recess to “train it”, I’m going to call the police on you. My elementary kid is afraid of dogs after a dog (a pit bull of course, but you won’t believe me I’m sure) ran away from his owner and attacked his sister in front of him. (She is fine now, except for scarring on her arm, thanks for asking). If you subject him to your dog sitting directly outside the fence staring at him as he tries to have recess, you are a terrible human being.

And say what exactly?
There is a leashed dog outside a school?
You are nuts.

The venn diagram of Karens who call the cops on black people having a picnic in the park and people simply walking their pit bulls is a circle.

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Anonymous wrote:Moco360 reports that the attacking dog was a pit bull:
https://moco360.media/2024/12/18/pitbull-fatally-shot-wednesday-after-attacking-two-women-in-bethesda/

Was it a rescue?

I have never met anyone with a pit bull that wasn’t a rescue. I guess there are pit bull breeders out there and I guess there are some people out there who willingly get one from a breeder, but in my UMC liberal circles, all the pits are rescues. I’d be super duper surprised if there is a pit in bethesda that’s not a rescue.

Makes sense. Rescues are dangerous. Pitbulls are dangerous. It’s a terrible combination.

This isn't so. You do realize that there are Golden Retriever rescues, Border collie rescues etc and they aren't dangerous? If dogs attacked all the time this wouldn't be news.

There are 4.5 million dog bites a year

"the PITBULL was not contained and was EATING THE OTHER DOG in the yard of a residence"

Because rescues were abused and attack

Clearly you don't volunteer for a rescue. The majority of dogs come in because people are moving, or their schedules change (all the pandemic puppies when their owners went back to working in the office instead of at-home), or they've had a kid and the dog isn't a good fit...

Abused animals have a different protocol, get separated for different screening, and are usually NOT just adopted out to anyone. Those of us who volunteer our time and energy do it because we love the animals and want better for them.

Then you ignorant idiots come along and post out your backsides with this absolute nonsense, and somehow it's taken as truth.

Go volunteer at a shelter and learn something. Clear your dishonesty debts.

I’m a little confused by your post only because I know so many people with rescue dogs that say things like “he doesn’t like men—they think he was probably abused by one.” Or “he doesn’t like kids—they think he probably had bad experiences with them.” These are like your run of the mill dog adopters, not people that have any special training dealing with traumatized animals or anything. I totally agree that not all rescues are like this but in my social circle, I’d say about half of the rescues have some sort of anxiety trigger that is known to the owners.

Ah, yes, the magical thinking that untrained owners use to justify improperly training their animals. "He doesn't like men"? Well then, your job is to encounter as many men as you can and retrain your dog. "he doesn't like kids?" Teach your dog to sit quietly and down stay outside the playground at recess time (outside; do not force your poorly trained animal on anyone, especially kids) until he calms down.

Very few shelters are going to adopt a truly traumatized/abused animal to a noob. It's bad for the dog and bad for the shelter (who will likely see the dog again in short order). Some people have their "every rescue dog has baggage" mentality linked up with their victim narratives and use it to justify all their dogs' poor behavior. Responsible owners don't make excuses. They train their dogs.

I've worked with a lot of dogs who really did have "damage". They're retrainable. I've got one now who would barely leave her crate when I first fostered her, even for hot dog pieces and other high-value treats. She'd lay flat anytime we tried to leash her (ever tried to walk a cat? like that :lol About half a year later, she's can still be skittish in unfamiliar environments, but we go on mile-long walks daily, past construction sites (full of men), and can do polite meet-and-greets with other dogs and their owners, including children. Part of that is that I know what I'm doing; I've been doing this for decades now. Most of that is that I didn't make excuses for my animal, and instead provided her with the training and resources she needed to overcome her insecurities/faults.

There is definitely a pervasive "rescued dog owner" mentality and it's a huge red flag to people who know better. Again, blame the owners/excuse-makers, not the animals. The sad thing is, dog training isn't some kind of arcane lore. It's entirely possible to read a few books, take a few classes, work with someone who knows more than you do and rescue an average dog with excellent results. That so many people don't is about the low-quality of dog owners these days, not a statement about their poorly-handled pets.

If you let your aggressive, scared of kids pit bull lay down outside my kids school at recess to “train it”, I’m going to call the police on you. My elementary kid is afraid of dogs after a dog (a pit bull of course, but you won’t believe me I’m sure) ran away from his owner and attacked his sister in front of him. (She is fine now, except for scarring on her arm, thanks for asking). If you subject him to your dog sitting directly outside the fence staring at him as he tries to have recess, you are a terrible human being.

And say what exactly?
There is a leashed dog outside a school?
You are nuts.

Correct, you can’t loiter outside a school playground to stare at the kids, with or without your pit bull.

OMFG, it's not about you, Sheila! I can be on the sidewalk walking my dog. I can sit my dog on the sidewalk. It's not about you or little Larlito.

You don't have to like it, but you need to calm your tits about it because it's allowed, whether you like it or not.

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Anonymous wrote:They are bred to bite down and not let go. The opposite is something like a Lab that is bred to have a soft mouth when they retrieve ducks when hunting.

I dog sat for a friend with a pit bull. Very friendly girl but she would bite down on toys or bully sticks and wouldn't let go. It was almost like her jaws were locked. If that had been a part of my body, I would've bled out if nobody was around to call for help.

This is a myth. Do your research before spreading fake info.

Pit Bull's "Hold and Shake" Bite Style
A pit bull's bite is designed to inflict the maximum damage possible on its victim. Through selective breeding, pit bulls have developed enormous jaw strength and a "hold and shake" bite style. The pit bull's jaws lock onto its victim and violently shake the victim, refusing to let go. Even Good Samaritans who attempt to free the victim by employing hoses, hammers, bats, and pipes on the pit bull are often unsuccessful.

The pit bull's "hold and shake" bite style can cause severe bone and muscle damage. The injuries inflicted are often permanent and disfiguring. Injuries suffered by the victims of pit bull attacks are comparable to those suffered by shark attack victims.

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