Impact of McLean/Langley boundary change on McLean real estate choice

[Anonymous]

The reality of moving Forestville to Herndon is that very little to no overcrowding would result at Herndon Middle.

Parents in Great Falls are already choosing private school for middle in large numbers to avoid Cooper due to its reputation for dismal academics and behavior. This trend would absolutely increase if their children were reassigned to Herndon. But this would be okay with many of the staff at Gatehouse. It’s a win-win-win for FCPS - fewer middle students means more money for the students who stay during this delicate time period. And they solve the split feeder issue. Bonus, HHS would get a bump in rankings.

Remember, Great Falls parents would STILL have the opportunity to pupil place at Langley (like every other student in FCPS!) if they are that desperate to escape Herndon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From what I’ve seen, Langley is turning into a magnet school by default, for better or worse. With the changes in TJ admissions, many students who don’t get into TJ are being placed at Langley instead by their parents.

If this keeps up, Langley might hit capacity soon, and that could potentially make it easier for FCPS to move Forestville students over to Herndon. The transfer students are generally great students and no behavior problems. It might make sense to start planning for a certain number of transfer students at Langley.

Langley administration appears to be on board with encouraging transfer students. Here are some examples:

- Making Russian placements/transfer easy. As long as you get the form in by the deadline, you’re good.
- Allowing a parent-funded shuttle. Parents have organized a small bus to help with transportation for transfer students.
- Creating a support group specifically for transfer families
-Expanding math, CS and science offerings due to student interest.

It’s about 100 pupil placements at a school with slightly under 2200 kids, so calling Langley a “magnet” is a bit of a conceit. Lake Braddock has about 3X as many pupil placements and you don’t hear people calling it a “magnet.”

Seems more likely they might send the Tysons attendance island at McLean to Langley, which would eliminate the split feeder at Spring Hill and add about 170-180 more kids to Langley. Then, if needed, they would close Langley to new pupil placements.

The TJ admissions changes are still pretty new. The number of transfers has been increasing quickly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From what I’ve seen, Langley is turning into a magnet school by default, for better or worse. With the changes in TJ admissions, many students who don’t get into TJ are being placed at Langley instead by their parents.

If this keeps up, Langley might hit capacity soon, and that could potentially make it easier for FCPS to move Forestville students over to Herndon. The transfer students are generally great students and no behavior problems. It might make sense to start planning for a certain number of transfer students at Langley.

Langley administration appears to be on board with encouraging transfer students. Here are some examples:

- Making Russian placements/transfer easy. As long as you get the form in by the deadline, you’re good.
- Allowing a parent-funded shuttle. Parents have organized a small bus to help with transportation for transfer students.
- Creating a support group specifically for transfer families
-Expanding math, CS and science offerings due to student interest.

It’s about 100 pupil placements at a school with slightly under 2200 kids, so calling Langley a “magnet” is a bit of a conceit. Lake Braddock has about 3X as many pupil placements and you don’t hear people calling it a “magnet.”

Seems more likely they might send the Tysons attendance island at McLean to Langley, which would eliminate the split feeder at Spring Hill and add about 170-180 more kids to Langley. Then, if needed, they would close Langley to new pupil placements.

The TJ admissions changes are still pretty new. The number of transfers has been increasing quickly.

No reason not to allow transfers if Langley still has space and the kids can either place out of an IB school for AP or are prepared to take Russian. However, there are enrollment pressures at both Marshall and McLean, and there are a lot of kids zoned to those schools who live much closer to Langley than kids in western Great Falls do. It seems inevitable that some of Marshall and/or more of McLean will get moved to Langley at some point. When that happens, unless Forestville gets bumped to Herndon (which would affect about 340 kids), they'll reach the point where they'll need to close Langley to new pupil placements, just like McLean and Marshall have largely been closed to pupil placements for years.

There's no doubt that the TJ admissions changes had consequences that FCPS didn't even try to address, whether it was making certain pyramids (Langley, McLean, Chantilly, and Oakton) more attractive or making some families more likely to try and pupil place. Even so, most people associate the term "magnet" in FCPS with TJ, not any of the other HS.

[Anonymous]

Gatehouse does not want to close Langley to pupil placements because it takes pressure off of them for the TJ admissions changes. Many of the most vocal parents against the admissions changes moved their children to Langley.

If they close Langley for transfers, that might reawaken the opposition even more.

[Anonymous]

The issue can be easily resolved by: 1) Limit Cooper MS to only Langley residents. That will reduce capacity at Langley HS; 2) Make McLean HS into a secondary school for only McLean residents. It means Franklin Sherman & Kent Gardens ES go to McLean secondary school. Give Longfellow MS back to Falls Church; 3) Create an AAP center at either Franklin Sherman or Kent Garden (I think there is an AAP at Churchill). That will reduce the capacity at McLean HS, but Falls Church parents will cry foul because that will bring down their property values, LOL.

[Anonymous]

As more wealthy Asians/Indians move into the Langley pyramid, and due to recent changes in TJ admission to limit Asian & Indians there, Langley is the backup school should they not get accepted in TJ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Gatehouse does not want to close Langley to pupil placements because it takes pressure off of them for the TJ admissions changes. Many of the most vocal parents against the admissions changes moved their children to Langley.

If they close Langley for transfers, that might reawaken the opposition even more.

They don't have anything to worry about now relating to the TJ admissions changes. The opponents of the changes lost in the courts and FCPS is more than willing to accept TJ declining in national ratings in return for students from a wider section of the county and more middle schools now attending TJ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The issue can be easily resolved by: 1) Limit Cooper MS to only Langley residents. That will reduce capacity at Langley HS; 2) Make McLean HS into a secondary school for only McLean residents. It means Franklin Sherman & Kent Gardens ES go to McLean secondary school. Give Longfellow MS back to Falls Church; 3) Create an AAP center at either Franklin Sherman or Kent Garden (I think there is an AAP at Churchill). That will reduce the capacity at McLean HS, but Falls Church parents will cry foul because that will bring down their property values, LOL.

This is total idiocy and will never happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As more wealthy Asians/Indians move into the Langley pyramid, and due to recent changes in TJ admission to limit Asian & Indians there, Langley is the backup school should they not get accepted in TJ.

It's far from the automatic default for Asian families whose kids don't get into TJ. Get over yourself.

[Anonymous]

I understand there may be a couple of dozen Asian families at Westfield and Herndon who rent a van to bus their kids to Langley but there are far more Asian families with kids turned down from TJ who are attending schools other than Langley, including Chantilly, Centreville, Woodson, McLean, and Oakton. It's fine if they keep pupil placing to Langley if there's room but it's also folly to think FCPS is going to bend over backwards to keep that particular pipeline open indefinitely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The issue can be easily resolved by: 1) Limit Cooper MS to only Langley residents. That will reduce capacity at Langley HS; 2) Make McLean HS into a secondary school for only McLean residents. It means Franklin Sherman & Kent Gardens ES go to McLean secondary school. Give Longfellow MS back to Falls Church; 3) Create an AAP center at either Franklin Sherman or Kent Garden (I think there is an AAP at Churchill). That will reduce the capacity at McLean HS, but Falls Church parents will cry foul because that will bring down their property values, LOL.

Where does Haycock go? What do you do with Longfellow? Does it become an even tinier secondary school for Haycock and Lemon Road refugees? None of this makes sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As more wealthy Asians/Indians move into the Langley pyramid, and due to recent changes in TJ admission to limit Asian & Indians there, Langley is the backup school should they not get accepted in TJ.

It's far from the automatic default for Asian families whose kids don't get into TJ. Get over yourself.

Are you kidding? The percentage of Asian students at Langley HS has the highest growth rate since 2021, about the same thing when TJ made changes in the admission: https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:13::::0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID,P0_EDSL:020,0

Black & Hispanic number barely moves while the number of Asian goes up, at the expense of white.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The issue can be easily resolved by: 1) Limit Cooper MS to only Langley residents. That will reduce capacity at Langley HS; 2) Make McLean HS into a secondary school for only McLean residents. It means Franklin Sherman & Kent Gardens ES go to McLean secondary school. Give Longfellow MS back to Falls Church; 3) Create an AAP center at either Franklin Sherman or Kent Garden (I think there is an AAP at Churchill). That will reduce the capacity at McLean HS, but Falls Church parents will cry foul because that will bring down their property values, LOL.

Where does Haycock go? What do you do with Longfellow? Does it become an even tinier secondary school for Haycock and Lemon Road refugees? None of this makes sense.

Agree, it was a totally idiotic post written by either a troll or a know-nothing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As more wealthy Asians/Indians move into the Langley pyramid, and due to recent changes in TJ admission to limit Asian & Indians there, Langley is the backup school should they not get accepted in TJ.

It's far from the automatic default for Asian families whose kids don't get into TJ. Get over yourself.

Are you kidding? The percentage of Asian students at Langley HS has the highest growth rate since 2021, about the same thing when TJ made changes in the admission: https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:13::::0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID,P0_EDSL:020,0

Black & Hispanic number barely moves while the number of Asian goes up, at the expense of white.

I don't think there's any question but that the Asian enrollment at Langley has been increasing substantially. Some of this could be due to TJ admissions changes; the Asian enrollment also increased because a heavily Asian neighborhood got moved from McLean to Langley in 2021.

But it's not the only school where the Asian enrollment is high and/or increasing, so this suggestion that it's the sole "backup" school for Asian parents in case their kids get turned down at TJ is BS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As more wealthy Asians/Indians move into the Langley pyramid, and due to recent changes in TJ admission to limit Asian & Indians there, Langley is the backup school should they not get accepted in TJ.

It's far from the automatic default for Asian families whose kids don't get into TJ. Get over yourself.

Are you kidding? The percentage of Asian students at Langley HS has the highest growth rate since 2021, about the same thing when TJ made changes in the admission: https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:13::::0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID,P0_EDSL:020,0

Black & Hispanic number barely moves while the number of Asian goes up, at the expense of white.

I don't think there's any question but that the Asian enrollment at Langley has been increasing substantially. Some of this could be due to TJ admissions changes; the Asian enrollment also increased because a heavily Asian neighborhood got moved from McLean to Langley in 2021.

But it's not the only school where the Asian enrollment is high and/or increasing, so this suggestion that it's the sole "backup" school for Asian parents in case their kids get turned down at TJ is BS.

Which Asian neighborhood in McLean? I live on Kurtz road in McLean for almost 35 years, and I am not aware of any "heavily Asian neighborhood" in McLean.