What country would you rather raise kid in?

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Anonymous wrote:I would raise them in the USA first because, having lived abroad in many different countries, I think we have by far the best quality of life.
However, outside the US, my top personal choices would be:
Italy, France, Malaysia, England

LOL where exactly did you live? We’re not even CLOSE to having the best quality of life…

Actually we do. This is such nonsense. You spiked Americans have absolutely no idea how good you have it. If the UK was a state it would be #51 in every single metric.

WTF is a “spiked” American?

And you’ve obviously never lived in a Nordic country. Most places in the US are an absolute embarrassment in comparison. We’re still better than Canada, though, and I’ll die on that hill.

Don’t even get me started on Nordic countries.

Incredibly high COL with low salaries
Terrible weather
Lack of innovation and diversity of jobs
Rules/laws about everything
High taxes
*Insane mortgage debt* for income levels
Inflexible labor market due to laws
Everyone making roughly the same amount of money. A cleaner making not much less than an engineer.

Forced gender equality that in reality has just made life more difficult for women and easier for men. For example, women being pushed to take long parental leaves that are low paid with unavailable childcare. Women expected to have completely separate finances even if married and completely provide for themselves. Hence the parental leave since men are now not supporting women after they have children

Group think where everyone is the same and it you’re not, you’re a problem, which is why there is a lack of innovation and growth

Perfectly stated. The fantasy many Americans who have never left their hometown have towards the Nordic countries is pretty humorous when compared to the daily lived reality

Then why are all the happiest people living in the nordic countries? The US is towards the bottom of the most happiest developed countries.

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Anonymous wrote:Eastern Europe/Baltic countries - family friendly atmosphere, low crime rate, temperate climate, up and coming economy, educated, less division between haves and have nots.

The low crime rate is a major plus, especially for women. It's rare to find in western countries nowadays

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Anonymous wrote:Canada because it’s the most similar yet better with gun violence and parental leave.

People always mention moving to Canada but nobody ever takes their own suggestion and moves there. Maybe it's not that great afterall.

Nobody?

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/american-expats-by-country
Here is an estimated look (not including ex-military personnel) of American expats by country.:
Each Country's Number of Expats
Mexico 799,248
Canada 273,226
United Kingdom 170,771
Puerto Rico 159,515
Germany 152,639
Australia 116,620
Israel 76,794
South Korea 68,050
France 61,668
Japan 58,340

Only because it's right over the border.

? Ok? ^^PP stated "People always mention moving to Canada but nobody ever takes their own suggestion and moves there. Maybe it's not that great afterall." I addressed that statement. People do move there.

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Anonymous wrote:I would raise them in the USA first because, having lived abroad in many different countries, I think we have by far the best quality of life.
However, outside the US, my top personal choices would be:
Italy, France, Malaysia, England

LOL where exactly did you live? We’re not even CLOSE to having the best quality of life…

Actually we do. This is such nonsense. You spiked Americans have absolutely no idea how good you have it. If the UK was a state it would be #51 in every single metric.

WTF is a “spiked” American?

And you’ve obviously never lived in a Nordic country. Most places in the US are an absolute embarrassment in comparison. We’re still better than Canada, though, and I’ll die on that hill.

Don’t even get me started on Nordic countries.

Incredibly high COL with low salaries
Terrible weather
Lack of innovation and diversity of jobs
Rules/laws about everything
High taxes
*Insane mortgage debt* for income levels
Inflexible labor market due to laws
Everyone making roughly the same amount of money. A cleaner making not much less than an engineer.

Forced gender equality that in reality has just made life more difficult for women and easier for men. For example, women being pushed to take long parental leaves that are low paid with unavailable childcare. Women expected to have completely separate finances even if married and completely provide for themselves. Hence the parental leave since men are now not supporting women after they have children

Group think where everyone is the same and it you’re not, you’re a problem, which is why there is a lack of innovation and growth

Perfectly stated. The fantasy many Americans who have never left their hometown have towards the Nordic countries is pretty humorous when compared to the daily lived reality

Unlike you and the poster to whom you responded, some of us have *actually lived for years* in one or more Nordic countries, so we *actually* know what we’re talking about.

I love the US but we get a LOT of things wrong. It’s too bad our society has devolved into the two camps of “America sucks” or “USA! USA!” rather than acknowledging what we do well and actually trying to improve upon what we don’t do well.

I actually live in Germany and have for years, which is exactly how i know how accurate the PP's comment is. Maybe you're in some golden era of "look at me! I get to show off to my small town friends how cool I am because I live in Denmark!" but to those of us why have BTDT, it's not exactly impressive. It's okay for people to talk about their criticisms or downsides of something you love, I promise. And just be grateful that you have had the privilege, thus far, not to experience what the PP was speaking about. You seem like you have had a very small lived experience in life

Germany is not a Nordic country you idiot.

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Friends of mine moved to Switzerland about 12 years ago with their first child, a toddler. They now have 2 kids and just because Swiss citizens.

There were some challenges in the beginning adjusting to much less space and much higher prices, and learning German has been very hard for one friend, but the quality of life and especially the support for children, quality of education, and community there is amazing.

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Anonymous wrote:I would raise them in the USA first because, having lived abroad in many different countries, I think we have by far the best quality of life.
However, outside the US, my top personal choices would be:
Italy, France, Malaysia, England

LOL where exactly did you live? We’re not even CLOSE to having the best quality of life…

Actually we do. This is such nonsense. You spiked Americans have absolutely no idea how good you have it. If the UK was a state it would be #51 in every single metric.

WTF is a “spiked” American?

And you’ve obviously never lived in a Nordic country. Most places in the US are an absolute embarrassment in comparison. We’re still better than Canada, though, and I’ll die on that hill.

Don’t even get me started on Nordic countries.

Incredibly high COL with low salaries
Terrible weather
Lack of innovation and diversity of jobs
Rules/laws about everything
High taxes
*Insane mortgage debt* for income levels
Inflexible labor market due to laws
Everyone making roughly the same amount of money. A cleaner making not much less than an engineer.

Forced gender equality that in reality has just made life more difficult for women and easier for men. For example, women being pushed to take long parental leaves that are low paid with unavailable childcare. Women expected to have completely separate finances even if married and completely provide for themselves. Hence the parental leave since men are now not supporting women after they have children

Group think where everyone is the same and it you’re not, you’re a problem, which is why there is a lack of innovation and growth

Perfectly stated. The fantasy many Americans who have never left their hometown have towards the Nordic countries is pretty humorous when compared to the daily lived reality

Then why are all the happiest people living in the nordic countries? The US is towards the bottom of the most happiest developed countries.

The US isn't that far off, way higher than the vast majority of countries in the rest of the world. For example, happier than the happiest country in eastern asia, by a good margin

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My Asian American friend with a white spouse with biracial kids moved to Portugal several years ago. They are super happy there. They don't ever want to come back. I envy them. No concerns about school shootings, or shootings of any kind.

Yes, it's a better life but only if you have money. But, that could be said about the US, as well. Except here, we also worry a lot about shootings.

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Anonymous wrote:I would raise them in the USA first because, having lived abroad in many different countries, I think we have by far the best quality of life.
However, outside the US, my top personal choices would be:
Italy, France, Malaysia, England

LOL where exactly did you live? We’re not even CLOSE to having the best quality of life…

Actually we do. This is such nonsense. You spiked Americans have absolutely no idea how good you have it. If the UK was a state it would be #51 in every single metric.

WTF is a “spiked” American?

And you’ve obviously never lived in a Nordic country. Most places in the US are an absolute embarrassment in comparison. We’re still better than Canada, though, and I’ll die on that hill.

Don’t even get me started on Nordic countries.

Incredibly high COL with low salaries
Terrible weather
Lack of innovation and diversity of jobs
Rules/laws about everything
High taxes
*Insane mortgage debt* for income levels
Inflexible labor market due to laws
Everyone making roughly the same amount of money. A cleaner making not much less than an engineer.

Forced gender equality that in reality has just made life more difficult for women and easier for men. For example, women being pushed to take long parental leaves that are low paid with unavailable childcare. Women expected to have completely separate finances even if married and completely provide for themselves. Hence the parental leave since men are now not supporting women after they have children

Group think where everyone is the same and it you’re not, you’re a problem, which is why there is a lack of innovation and growth

Perfectly stated. The fantasy many Americans who have never left their hometown have towards the Nordic countries is pretty humorous when compared to the daily lived reality

Unlike you and the poster to whom you responded, some of us have *actually lived for years* in one or more Nordic countries, so we *actually* know what we’re talking about.

I love the US but we get a LOT of things wrong. It’s too bad our society has devolved into the two camps of “America sucks” or “USA! USA!” rather than acknowledging what we do well and actually trying to improve upon what we don’t do well.

I actually live in Germany and have for years, which is exactly how i know how accurate the PP's comment is. Maybe you're in some golden era of "look at me! I get to show off to my small town friends how cool I am because I live in Denmark!" but to those of us why have BTDT, it's not exactly impressive. It's okay for people to talk about their criticisms or downsides of something you love, I promise. And just be grateful that you have had the privilege, thus far, not to experience what the PP was speaking about. You seem like you have had a very small lived experience in life

Germany is not a Nordic country you idiot.

I'm aware you of that you utter clown. The point is many of the same issues with gender egalitarianism play a role in Germany as well. Are you really that stupid?

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Anonymous wrote:Canada because it’s the most similar yet better with gun violence and parental leave.

People always mention moving to Canada but nobody ever takes their own suggestion and moves there. Maybe it's not that great afterall.

Nobody?

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/american-expats-by-country
Here is an estimated look (not including ex-military personnel) of American expats by country.:
Each Country's Number of Expats
Mexico 799,248
Canada 273,226
United Kingdom 170,771
Puerto Rico 159,515
Germany 152,639
Australia 116,620
Israel 76,794
South Korea 68,050
France 61,668
Japan 58,340

Only because it's right over the border.

? Ok? ^^PP stated "People always mention moving to Canada but nobody ever takes their own suggestion and moves there. Maybe it's not that great afterall." I addressed that statement. People do move there.

People move there out of convenience and that's it. Hardly anyway dreams of moving to Canada the way they do the United States, or France, or England, or Japan. It's just like "Oh, sure it's right there.... why not?" The easy option.

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Anonymous wrote:I would raise them in the USA first because, having lived abroad in many different countries, I think we have by far the best quality of life.
However, outside the US, my top personal choices would be:
Italy, France, Malaysia, England

LOL where exactly did you live? We’re not even CLOSE to having the best quality of life…

Actually we do. This is such nonsense. You spiked Americans have absolutely no idea how good you have it. If the UK was a state it would be #51 in every single metric.

WTF is a “spiked” American?

And you’ve obviously never lived in a Nordic country. Most places in the US are an absolute embarrassment in comparison. We’re still better than Canada, though, and I’ll die on that hill.

Don’t even get me started on Nordic countries.

Incredibly high COL with low salaries
Terrible weather
Lack of innovation and diversity of jobs
Rules/laws about everything
High taxes
*Insane mortgage debt* for income levels
Inflexible labor market due to laws
Everyone making roughly the same amount of money. A cleaner making not much less than an engineer.

Forced gender equality that in reality has just made life more difficult for women and easier for men. For example, women being pushed to take long parental leaves that are low paid with unavailable childcare. Women expected to have completely separate finances even if married and completely provide for themselves. Hence the parental leave since men are now not supporting women after they have children

Group think where everyone is the same and it you’re not, you’re a problem, which is why there is a lack of innovation and growth

Perfectly stated. The fantasy many Americans who have never left their hometown have towards the Nordic countries is pretty humorous when compared to the daily lived reality

Unlike you and the poster to whom you responded, some of us have *actually lived for years* in one or more Nordic countries, so we *actually* know what we’re talking about.

I love the US but we get a LOT of things wrong. It’s too bad our society has devolved into the two camps of “America sucks” or “USA! USA!” rather than acknowledging what we do well and actually trying to improve upon what we don’t do well.

I actually live in Germany and have for years, which is exactly how i know how accurate the PP's comment is. Maybe you're in some golden era of "look at me! I get to show off to my small town friends how cool I am because I live in Denmark!" but to those of us why have BTDT, it's not exactly impressive. It's okay for people to talk about their criticisms or downsides of something you love, I promise. And just be grateful that you have had the privilege, thus far, not to experience what the PP was speaking about. You seem like you have had a very small lived experience in life

Germany is not a Nordic country you idiot.

I'm aware you of that you utter clown. The point is many of the same issues with gender egalitarianism play a role in Germany as well. Are you really that stupid?

Your mother is a gender egalitarian

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Anonymous wrote:If you did not live in the USA, where would you choose to raise your kids? Serious question as we are exploring other countries to move to. Looking for a slower pace, less reliance on cars to get everywhere, better air quality and soil quality, and more focus on community.

Argentina. Trust me.

I spent 8 weeks as a teenager and would never want to live there. Visit, sure.

Why not to live there?
I've never been to Argentina anyway but really curious.
-NP

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Anonymous wrote:I would raise them in the USA first because, having lived abroad in many different countries, I think we have by far the best quality of life.
However, outside the US, my top personal choices would be:
Italy, France, Malaysia, England

LOL where exactly did you live? We’re not even CLOSE to having the best quality of life…

Actually we do. This is such nonsense. You spiked Americans have absolutely no idea how good you have it. If the UK was a state it would be #51 in every single metric.

WTF is a “spiked” American?

And you’ve obviously never lived in a Nordic country. Most places in the US are an absolute embarrassment in comparison. We’re still better than Canada, though, and I’ll die on that hill.

Don’t even get me started on Nordic countries.

Incredibly high COL with low salaries
Terrible weather
Lack of innovation and diversity of jobs
Rules/laws about everything
High taxes
*Insane mortgage debt* for income levels
Inflexible labor market due to laws
Everyone making roughly the same amount of money. A cleaner making not much less than an engineer.

Forced gender equality that in reality has just made life more difficult for women and easier for men. For example, women being pushed to take long parental leaves that are low paid with unavailable childcare. Women expected to have completely separate finances even if married and completely provide for themselves. Hence the parental leave since men are now not supporting women after they have children

Group think where everyone is the same and it you’re not, you’re a problem, which is why there is a lack of innovation and growth

Perfectly stated. The fantasy many Americans who have never left their hometown have towards the Nordic countries is pretty humorous when compared to the daily lived reality

Unlike you and the poster to whom you responded, some of us have *actually lived for years* in one or more Nordic countries, so we *actually* know what we’re talking about.

I love the US but we get a LOT of things wrong. It’s too bad our society has devolved into the two camps of “America sucks” or “USA! USA!” rather than acknowledging what we do well and actually trying to improve upon what we don’t do well.

I actually live in Germany and have for years, which is exactly how i know how accurate the PP's comment is. Maybe you're in some golden era of "look at me! I get to show off to my small town friends how cool I am because I live in Denmark!" but to those of us why have BTDT, it's not exactly impressive. It's okay for people to talk about their criticisms or downsides of something you love, I promise. And just be grateful that you have had the privilege, thus far, not to experience what the PP was speaking about. You seem like you have had a very small lived experience in life

Germany is not a Nordic country you idiot.

I'm aware you of that you utter clown. The point is many of the same issues with gender egalitarianism play a role in Germany as well. Are you really that stupid?

Your mother is a gender egalitarian

Oh great. The 70 IQ level insults are back...

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Anonymous wrote:I would raise them in the USA first because, having lived abroad in many different countries, I think we have by far the best quality of life.
However, outside the US, my top personal choices would be:
Italy, France, Malaysia, England

LOL where exactly did you live? We’re not even CLOSE to having the best quality of life…

Actually we do. This is such nonsense. You spiked Americans have absolutely no idea how good you have it. If the UK was a state it would be #51 in every single metric.

WTF is a “spiked” American?

And you’ve obviously never lived in a Nordic country. Most places in the US are an absolute embarrassment in comparison. We’re still better than Canada, though, and I’ll die on that hill.

Don’t even get me started on Nordic countries.

Incredibly high COL with low salaries
Terrible weather
Lack of innovation and diversity of jobs
Rules/laws about everything
High taxes
*Insane mortgage debt* for income levels
Inflexible labor market due to laws
Everyone making roughly the same amount of money. A cleaner making not much less than an engineer.

Forced gender equality that in reality has just made life more difficult for women and easier for men. For example, women being pushed to take long parental leaves that are low paid with unavailable childcare. Women expected to have completely separate finances even if married and completely provide for themselves. Hence the parental leave since men are now not supporting women after they have children

Group think where everyone is the same and it you’re not, you’re a problem, which is why there is a lack of innovation and growth

As I suspected, a list of complaints made by a person who has obviously never *lived* in one of these Nordic hellholes.

The quality of life is AMAZING and they’re extremely kid/family friendly societies. But they do expect their citizens to be educated and responsible members of the community, so I can see why a person such as yourself would be fearful of that.

I don’t think the QOL is high for working moms with kids. I think it’s the same grind with less flexibility and ability to outsource.

How do you know I’ve never lived there?

Do you disagree with things like the insanely high levels of mortgage debt or inflexible labor market?

Your list of grievances boils down to “I don’t know want to live in a society that isn’t completely divided into the haves and have-nots”. Your complaints about the quality of life of working mothers is patently absurd, given the long parental leaves and easy access to high quality daycare and schooling. (Newsflash: as a society, we don’t have that here.)

Just so you know, you’re still allowed to be a “kept woman” in the Nordics, which seems to be what you’re ultimately concerned about.

NP, but you dismissing her very genuine concerns about how the labor of motherhood is distributed unequally among the genders as a byproduct of the so called egalitarianism of the nordic countries makes YOU come off misogynistic and extremely self centered. It's not a good look, and certainly not emblematic of the progressive mindset you claim to embody. Actually it seems very backwoods, regressive, which is maybe where you're from originally

Did you have ChatGPT produce this word salad for you? Nothing in this paragraph makes any sense. What point are you trying to make? Do you think fathers should take on more of the “labor of motherhood”? Do you know what mothers are and what fathers are?

Seriously, I’m embarrassed for you.

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Anonymous wrote:I would raise them in the USA first because, having lived abroad in many different countries, I think we have by far the best quality of life.
However, outside the US, my top personal choices would be:
Italy, France, Malaysia, England

LOL where exactly did you live? We’re not even CLOSE to having the best quality of life…

Actually we do. This is such nonsense. You spiked Americans have absolutely no idea how good you have it. If the UK was a state it would be #51 in every single metric.

WTF is a “spiked” American?

And you’ve obviously never lived in a Nordic country. Most places in the US are an absolute embarrassment in comparison. We’re still better than Canada, though, and I’ll die on that hill.

Don’t even get me started on Nordic countries.

Incredibly high COL with low salaries
Terrible weather
Lack of innovation and diversity of jobs
Rules/laws about everything
High taxes
*Insane mortgage debt* for income levels
Inflexible labor market due to laws
Everyone making roughly the same amount of money. A cleaner making not much less than an engineer.

Forced gender equality that in reality has just made life more difficult for women and easier for men. For example, women being pushed to take long parental leaves that are low paid with unavailable childcare. Women expected to have completely separate finances even if married and completely provide for themselves. Hence the parental leave since men are now not supporting women after they have children

Group think where everyone is the same and it you’re not, you’re a problem, which is why there is a lack of innovation and growth

Perfectly stated. The fantasy many Americans who have never left their hometown have towards the Nordic countries is pretty humorous when compared to the daily lived reality

Unlike you and the poster to whom you responded, some of us have *actually lived for years* in one or more Nordic countries, so we *actually* know what we’re talking about.

I love the US but we get a LOT of things wrong. It’s too bad our society has devolved into the two camps of “America sucks” or “USA! USA!” rather than acknowledging what we do well and actually trying to improve upon what we don’t do well.

You’re a POS

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Anonymous wrote:I would raise them in the USA first because, having lived abroad in many different countries, I think we have by far the best quality of life.
However, outside the US, my top personal choices would be:
Italy, France, Malaysia, England

LOL where exactly did you live? We’re not even CLOSE to having the best quality of life…

Actually we do. This is such nonsense. You spiked Americans have absolutely no idea how good you have it. If the UK was a state it would be #51 in every single metric.

WTF is a “spiked” American?

And you’ve obviously never lived in a Nordic country. Most places in the US are an absolute embarrassment in comparison. We’re still better than Canada, though, and I’ll die on that hill.

Don’t even get me started on Nordic countries.

Incredibly high COL with low salaries
Terrible weather
Lack of innovation and diversity of jobs
Rules/laws about everything
High taxes
*Insane mortgage debt* for income levels
Inflexible labor market due to laws
Everyone making roughly the same amount of money. A cleaner making not much less than an engineer.

Forced gender equality that in reality has just made life more difficult for women and easier for men. For example, women being pushed to take long parental leaves that are low paid with unavailable childcare. Women expected to have completely separate finances even if married and completely provide for themselves. Hence the parental leave since men are now not supporting women after they have children

Group think where everyone is the same and it you’re not, you’re a problem, which is why there is a lack of innovation and growth

As I suspected, a list of complaints made by a person who has obviously never *lived* in one of these Nordic hellholes.

The quality of life is AMAZING and they’re extremely kid/family friendly societies. But they do expect their citizens to be educated and responsible members of the community, so I can see why a person such as yourself would be fearful of that.

I don’t think the QOL is high for working moms with kids. I think it’s the same grind with less flexibility and ability to outsource.

How do you know I’ve never lived there?

Do you disagree with things like the insanely high levels of mortgage debt or inflexible labor market?

Your list of grievances boils down to “I don’t know want to live in a society that isn’t completely divided into the haves and have-nots”. Your complaints about the quality of life of working mothers is patently absurd, given the long parental leaves and easy access to high quality daycare and schooling. (Newsflash: as a society, we don’t have that here.)

Just so you know, you’re still allowed to be a “kept woman” in the Nordics, which seems to be what you’re ultimately concerned about.

NP, but you dismissing her very genuine concerns about how the labor of motherhood is distributed unequally among the genders as a byproduct of the so called egalitarianism of the nordic countries makes YOU come off misogynistic and extremely self centered. It's not a good look, and certainly not emblematic of the progressive mindset you claim to embody. Actually it seems very backwoods, regressive, which is maybe where you're from originally

Did you have ChatGPT produce this word salad for you? Nothing in this paragraph makes any sense. What point are you trying to make? Do you think fathers should take on more of the “labor of motherhood”? Do you know what mothers are and what fathers are?

Seriously, I’m embarrassed for you.

Sure, of course fathers should be taking on some of the labor of motherhood, and trying to make the stress and level of work for their female partner go down. The fact that this is so baffling for you makes it obvious why youve never noticed the issue in your years of living in Nordic nations. What selfish, unempathetic, stupid person.