What country would you rather raise kid in?

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I really want to ask Jeff if there's a 9 year old posting here. It's the only explanation

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Anonymous wrote:I would raise them in the USA first because, having lived abroad in many different countries, I think we have by far the best quality of life.
However, outside the US, my top personal choices would be:
Italy, France, Malaysia, England

LOL where exactly did you live? We’re not even CLOSE to having the best quality of life…

Actually we do. This is such nonsense. You spiked Americans have absolutely no idea how good you have it. If the UK was a state it would be #51 in every single metric.

WTF is a “spiked” American?

And you’ve obviously never lived in a Nordic country. Most places in the US are an absolute embarrassment in comparison. We’re still better than Canada, though, and I’ll die on that hill.

Don’t even get me started on Nordic countries.

Incredibly high COL with low salaries
Terrible weather
Lack of innovation and diversity of jobs
Rules/laws about everything
High taxes
*Insane mortgage debt* for income levels
Inflexible labor market due to laws
Everyone making roughly the same amount of money. A cleaner making not much less than an engineer.

Forced gender equality that in reality has just made life more difficult for women and easier for men. For example, women being pushed to take long parental leaves that are low paid with unavailable childcare. Women expected to have completely separate finances even if married and completely provide for themselves. Hence the parental leave since men are now not supporting women after they have children

Group think where everyone is the same and it you’re not, you’re a problem, which is why there is a lack of innovation and growth

Perfectly stated. The fantasy many Americans who have never left their hometown have towards the Nordic countries is pretty humorous when compared to the daily lived reality

Unlike you and the poster to whom you responded, some of us have *actually lived for years* in one or more Nordic countries, so we *actually* know what we’re talking about.

I love the US but we get a LOT of things wrong. It’s too bad our society has devolved into the two camps of “America sucks” or “USA! USA!” rather than acknowledging what we do well and actually trying to improve upon what we don’t do well.

I actually live in Germany and have for years, which is exactly how i know how accurate the PP's comment is. Maybe you're in some golden era of "look at me! I get to show off to my small town friends how cool I am because I live in Denmark!" but to those of us why have BTDT, it's not exactly impressive. It's okay for people to talk about their criticisms or downsides of something you love, I promise. And just be grateful that you have had the privilege, thus far, not to experience what the PP was speaking about. You seem like you have had a very small lived experience in life

Germany is not a Nordic country you idiot.

I'm aware you of that you utter clown. The point is many of the same issues with gender egalitarianism play a role in Germany as well. Are you really that stupid?

I guess I am stupid enough to think that your lived experience on Germany is utterly irrelevant in a conversation about quality of life in the *Nordic countries*. Maybe posters who have lived in Estonia or Latvia or Poland can chime in with their amazing insights as well.

No wonder you hate Germany. Their attention to precision and details must be frustrating to you.

“But I want to insert whatever random talking point I want to in a completely unrelated conversation!” Are you Sarah Palin?

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Anonymous wrote:I would raise them in the USA first because, having lived abroad in many different countries, I think we have by far the best quality of life.
However, outside the US, my top personal choices would be:
Italy, France, Malaysia, England

LOL where exactly did you live? We’re not even CLOSE to having the best quality of life…

Actually we do. This is such nonsense. You spiked Americans have absolutely no idea how good you have it. If the UK was a state it would be #51 in every single metric.

WTF is a “spiked” American?

And you’ve obviously never lived in a Nordic country. Most places in the US are an absolute embarrassment in comparison. We’re still better than Canada, though, and I’ll die on that hill.

Don’t even get me started on Nordic countries.

Incredibly high COL with low salaries
Terrible weather
Lack of innovation and diversity of jobs
Rules/laws about everything
High taxes
*Insane mortgage debt* for income levels
Inflexible labor market due to laws
Everyone making roughly the same amount of money. A cleaner making not much less than an engineer.

Forced gender equality that in reality has just made life more difficult for women and easier for men. For example, women being pushed to take long parental leaves that are low paid with unavailable childcare. Women expected to have completely separate finances even if married and completely provide for themselves. Hence the parental leave since men are now not supporting women after they have children

Group think where everyone is the same and it you’re not, you’re a problem, which is why there is a lack of innovation and growth

As I suspected, a list of complaints made by a person who has obviously never *lived* in one of these Nordic hellholes.

The quality of life is AMAZING and they’re extremely kid/family friendly societies. But they do expect their citizens to be educated and responsible members of the community, so I can see why a person such as yourself would be fearful of that.

I don’t think the QOL is high for working moms with kids. I think it’s the same grind with less flexibility and ability to outsource.

How do you know I’ve never lived there?

Do you disagree with things like the insanely high levels of mortgage debt or inflexible labor market?

Your list of grievances boils down to “I don’t know want to live in a society that isn’t completely divided into the haves and have-nots”. Your complaints about the quality of life of working mothers is patently absurd, given the long parental leaves and easy access to high quality daycare and schooling. (Newsflash: as a society, we don’t have that here.)

Just so you know, you’re still allowed to be a “kept woman” in the Nordics, which seems to be what you’re ultimately concerned about.

NP, but you dismissing her very genuine concerns about how the labor of motherhood is distributed unequally among the genders as a byproduct of the so called egalitarianism of the nordic countries makes YOU come off misogynistic and extremely self centered. It's not a good look, and certainly not emblematic of the progressive mindset you claim to embody. Actually it seems very backwoods, regressive, which is maybe where you're from originally

Did you have ChatGPT produce this word salad for you? Nothing in this paragraph makes any sense. What point are you trying to make? Do you think fathers should take on more of the “labor of motherhood”? Do you know what mothers are and what fathers are?

Seriously, I’m embarrassed for you.

Sure, of course fathers should be taking on some of the labor of motherhood, and trying to make the stress and level of work for their female partner go down. The fact that this is so baffling for you makes it obvious why youve never noticed the issue in your years of living in Nordic nations. What selfish, unempathetic, stupid person.

Should mothers take in the labor of fatherhood? You are incredibly unintelligent, BTW.

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Anonymous wrote:Canada because it’s the most similar yet better with gun violence and parental leave.

People always mention moving to Canada but nobody ever takes their own suggestion and moves there. Maybe it's not that great afterall.

Nobody?

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/american-expats-by-country
Here is an estimated look (not including ex-military personnel) of American expats by country.:
Each Country's Number of Expats
Mexico 799,248
Canada 273,226
United Kingdom 170,771
Puerto Rico 159,515
Germany 152,639
Australia 116,620
Israel 76,794
South Korea 68,050
France 61,668
Japan 58,340

Only because it's right over the border.

? Ok? ^^PP stated "People always mention moving to Canada but nobody ever takes their own suggestion and moves there. Maybe it's not that great afterall." I addressed that statement. People do move there.

People move there out of convenience and that's it. Hardly anyway dreams of moving to Canada the way they do the United States, or France, or England, or Japan. It's just like "Oh, sure it's right there.... why not?" The easy option.

I lived in Japan for several years as a young adult and I adored it but it would be very hard to live there permanently unless you look Japanese. You don’t even have to be Japanese, you just have to look like you blend in so people don’t stare at you constantly. The food was amazing, it was incredibly safe, people were nice and admiring because I spoke good Japanese, but I was very aware that I’d never fit in and would always be a curiosity. If you move there with family and don’t have any Japanese ancestry you will never be a citizen. Personally I would not want to raise my kids in a country where they could never attain citizenship or meaningfully participate in public and community life.

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Anonymous wrote:I would raise them in the USA first because, having lived abroad in many different countries, I think we have by far the best quality of life.
However, outside the US, my top personal choices would be:
Italy, France, Malaysia, England

LOL where exactly did you live? We’re not even CLOSE to having the best quality of life…

Actually we do. This is such nonsense. You spiked Americans have absolutely no idea how good you have it. If the UK was a state it would be #51 in every single metric.

WTF is a “spiked” American?

And you’ve obviously never lived in a Nordic country. Most places in the US are an absolute embarrassment in comparison. We’re still better than Canada, though, and I’ll die on that hill.

Don’t even get me started on Nordic countries.

Incredibly high COL with low salaries
Terrible weather
Lack of innovation and diversity of jobs
Rules/laws about everything
High taxes
*Insane mortgage debt* for income levels
Inflexible labor market due to laws
Everyone making roughly the same amount of money. A cleaner making not much less than an engineer.

Forced gender equality that in reality has just made life more difficult for women and easier for men. For example, women being pushed to take long parental leaves that are low paid with unavailable childcare. Women expected to have completely separate finances even if married and completely provide for themselves. Hence the parental leave since men are now not supporting women after they have children

Group think where everyone is the same and it you’re not, you’re a problem, which is why there is a lack of innovation and growth

Perfectly stated. The fantasy many Americans who have never left their hometown have towards the Nordic countries is pretty humorous when compared to the daily lived reality

Unlike you and the poster to whom you responded, some of us have *actually lived for years* in one or more Nordic countries, so we *actually* know what we’re talking about.

I love the US but we get a LOT of things wrong. It’s too bad our society has devolved into the two camps of “America sucks” or “USA! USA!” rather than acknowledging what we do well and actually trying to improve upon what we don’t do well.

I actually live in Germany and have for years, which is exactly how i know how accurate the PP's comment is. Maybe you're in some golden era of "look at me! I get to show off to my small town friends how cool I am because I live in Denmark!" but to those of us why have BTDT, it's not exactly impressive. It's okay for people to talk about their criticisms or downsides of something you love, I promise. And just be grateful that you have had the privilege, thus far, not to experience what the PP was speaking about. You seem like you have had a very small lived experience in life

Germany is not a Nordic country you idiot.

I'm aware you of that you utter clown. The point is many of the same issues with gender egalitarianism play a role in Germany as well. Are you really that stupid?

I guess I am stupid enough to think that your lived experience on Germany is utterly irrelevant in a conversation about quality of life in the *Nordic countries*. Maybe posters who have lived in Estonia or Latvia or Poland can chime in with their amazing insights as well.

No wonder you hate Germany. Their attention to precision and details must be frustrating to you.

“But I want to insert whatever random talking point I want to in a completely unrelated conversation!” Are you Sarah Palin?

You truly think there's no similarity at all between countries next to each other in Western Europe, that share similar culture and social values, both of whom have embraced gender egalitarianism and have similar paternity/maternity leave policies? If you really cant draw any kind of parallels, that I'm going to just accept that you truly are 70 IQ and just politely exit this conversation. It's like trying to argue with a toddler.

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Anonymous wrote:I would raise them in the USA first because, having lived abroad in many different countries, I think we have by far the best quality of life.
However, outside the US, my top personal choices would be:
Italy, France, Malaysia, England

LOL where exactly did you live? We’re not even CLOSE to having the best quality of life…

Actually we do. This is such nonsense. You spiked Americans have absolutely no idea how good you have it. If the UK was a state it would be #51 in every single metric.

WTF is a “spiked” American?

And you’ve obviously never lived in a Nordic country. Most places in the US are an absolute embarrassment in comparison. We’re still better than Canada, though, and I’ll die on that hill.

Don’t even get me started on Nordic countries.

Incredibly high COL with low salaries
Terrible weather
Lack of innovation and diversity of jobs
Rules/laws about everything
High taxes
*Insane mortgage debt* for income levels
Inflexible labor market due to laws
Everyone making roughly the same amount of money. A cleaner making not much less than an engineer.

Forced gender equality that in reality has just made life more difficult for women and easier for men. For example, women being pushed to take long parental leaves that are low paid with unavailable childcare. Women expected to have completely separate finances even if married and completely provide for themselves. Hence the parental leave since men are now not supporting women after they have children

Group think where everyone is the same and it you’re not, you’re a problem, which is why there is a lack of innovation and growth

As I suspected, a list of complaints made by a person who has obviously never *lived* in one of these Nordic hellholes.

The quality of life is AMAZING and they’re extremely kid/family friendly societies. But they do expect their citizens to be educated and responsible members of the community, so I can see why a person such as yourself would be fearful of that.

I don’t think the QOL is high for working moms with kids. I think it’s the same grind with less flexibility and ability to outsource.

How do you know I’ve never lived there?

Do you disagree with things like the insanely high levels of mortgage debt or inflexible labor market?

Your list of grievances boils down to “I don’t know want to live in a society that isn’t completely divided into the haves and have-nots”. Your complaints about the quality of life of working mothers is patently absurd, given the long parental leaves and easy access to high quality daycare and schooling. (Newsflash: as a society, we don’t have that here.)

Just so you know, you’re still allowed to be a “kept woman” in the Nordics, which seems to be what you’re ultimately concerned about.

NP, but you dismissing her very genuine concerns about how the labor of motherhood is distributed unequally among the genders as a byproduct of the so called egalitarianism of the nordic countries makes YOU come off misogynistic and extremely self centered. It's not a good look, and certainly not emblematic of the progressive mindset you claim to embody. Actually it seems very backwoods, regressive, which is maybe where you're from originally

Did you have ChatGPT produce this word salad for you? Nothing in this paragraph makes any sense. What point are you trying to make? Do you think fathers should take on more of the “labor of motherhood”? Do you know what mothers are and what fathers are?

Seriously, I’m embarrassed for you.

Sure, of course fathers should be taking on some of the labor of motherhood, and trying to make the stress and level of work for their female partner go down. The fact that this is so baffling for you makes it obvious why youve never noticed the issue in your years of living in Nordic nations. What selfish, unempathetic, stupid person.

Should mothers take in the labor of fatherhood? You are incredibly unintelligent, BTW.

LOL of course you would say that. The "what aboutism" whenever someone points out how much more labor mothers do is really not a good look. And if you were trying to genuinely convince people that the Nordic countries (and its fans) are truly all about egalitarianism and equality for women, you just blew up your argument.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone on here will think I’m crazy but the US.

Every middle to upper middle class woman has an easier life than their counterparts I know in European countries. It’s all anecdotal but it comes down to money. More disposable income and the ability to buy comfort in the US.

My European friends have less space, more debt, lower salaries and more physically tiring lives.

How does UMC woman not have disposable income in Europe? UMC women don't even work for salaries in the old country unless they want to. Women have so much free time to travel, chill with friends, read, 'run their own business', go to concerts, go skiing, go to the beach, ride horses, renovate second home, go holistic. They are doing so many things because it's all nearby, available, and fairly cheap.
The best part is that nobody ever knows where their kids are, and teachers are top notch in every public school. The amount of activities available to all kids can't me matched.
I studied 5 foreign languages from K-12. All this is available to every kid even though we only have one language in the country.
People are doing more things instead of owning things, I give you that. They could build one of these big American 'comfort houses', but most choose not to.
My ex's kids have horseback riding as a hobby and their own horses. Something I can't afford here easily even though I'm UMC. Not to mention, I'd have to drive fairly far. They don't, everything is within 20 km. These kids have traveled more and speak more languages than mine ever will. Education is also better and we know it from every Pisa test ever taken.
Different priorities came about because all this is available to them while I have to put in a lot of effort to find a good school education, fly far for new culture, hire several different teachers as few schools offer 5 foreign languages. I have to be rich here to get all this done.

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Anonymous wrote:I would raise them in the USA first because, having lived abroad in many different countries, I think we have by far the best quality of life.
However, outside the US, my top personal choices would be:
Italy, France, Malaysia, England

LOL where exactly did you live? We’re not even CLOSE to having the best quality of life…

Actually we do. This is such nonsense. You spiked Americans have absolutely no idea how good you have it. If the UK was a state it would be #51 in every single metric.

WTF is a “spiked” American?

And you’ve obviously never lived in a Nordic country. Most places in the US are an absolute embarrassment in comparison. We’re still better than Canada, though, and I’ll die on that hill.

Don’t even get me started on Nordic countries.

Incredibly high COL with low salaries
Terrible weather
Lack of innovation and diversity of jobs
Rules/laws about everything
High taxes
*Insane mortgage debt* for income levels
Inflexible labor market due to laws
Everyone making roughly the same amount of money. A cleaner making not much less than an engineer.

Forced gender equality that in reality has just made life more difficult for women and easier for men. For example, women being pushed to take long parental leaves that are low paid with unavailable childcare. Women expected to have completely separate finances even if married and completely provide for themselves. Hence the parental leave since men are now not supporting women after they have children

Group think where everyone is the same and it you’re not, you’re a problem, which is why there is a lack of innovation and growth

Perfectly stated. The fantasy many Americans who have never left their hometown have towards the Nordic countries is pretty humorous when compared to the daily lived reality

Unlike you and the poster to whom you responded, some of us have *actually lived for years* in one or more Nordic countries, so we *actually* know what we’re talking about.

I love the US but we get a LOT of things wrong. It’s too bad our society has devolved into the two camps of “America sucks” or “USA! USA!” rather than acknowledging what we do well and actually trying to improve upon what we don’t do well.

I actually live in Germany and have for years, which is exactly how i know how accurate the PP's comment is. Maybe you're in some golden era of "look at me! I get to show off to my small town friends how cool I am because I live in Denmark!" but to those of us why have BTDT, it's not exactly impressive. It's okay for people to talk about their criticisms or downsides of something you love, I promise. And just be grateful that you have had the privilege, thus far, not to experience what the PP was speaking about. You seem like you have had a very small lived experience in life

Germany is not a Nordic country you idiot.

I'm aware you of that you utter clown. The point is many of the same issues with gender egalitarianism play a role in Germany as well. Are you really that stupid?

I guess I am stupid enough to think that your lived experience on Germany is utterly irrelevant in a conversation about quality of life in the *Nordic countries*. Maybe posters who have lived in Estonia or Latvia or Poland can chime in with their amazing insights as well.

No wonder you hate Germany. Their attention to precision and details must be frustrating to you.

“But I want to insert whatever random talking point I want to in a completely unrelated conversation!” Are you Sarah Palin?

You truly think there's no similarity at all between countries next to each other in Western Europe, that share similar culture and social values, both of whom have embraced gender egalitarianism and have similar paternity/maternity leave policies? If you really cant draw any kind of parallels, that I'm going to just accept that you truly are 70 IQ and just politely exit this conversation. It's like trying to argue with a toddler.

NP- Germany usually means military. So no, your contributions are not really relevant as they are too specific.

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Anonymous wrote:I would raise them in the USA first because, having lived abroad in many different countries, I think we have by far the best quality of life.
However, outside the US, my top personal choices would be:
Italy, France, Malaysia, England

LOL where exactly did you live? We’re not even CLOSE to having the best quality of life…

Actually we do. This is such nonsense. You spiked Americans have absolutely no idea how good you have it. If the UK was a state it would be #51 in every single metric.

WTF is a “spiked” American?

And you’ve obviously never lived in a Nordic country. Most places in the US are an absolute embarrassment in comparison. We’re still better than Canada, though, and I’ll die on that hill.

Don’t even get me started on Nordic countries.

Incredibly high COL with low salaries
Terrible weather
Lack of innovation and diversity of jobs
Rules/laws about everything
High taxes
*Insane mortgage debt* for income levels
Inflexible labor market due to laws
Everyone making roughly the same amount of money. A cleaner making not much less than an engineer.

Forced gender equality that in reality has just made life more difficult for women and easier for men. For example, women being pushed to take long parental leaves that are low paid with unavailable childcare. Women expected to have completely separate finances even if married and completely provide for themselves. Hence the parental leave since men are now not supporting women after they have children

Group think where everyone is the same and it you’re not, you’re a problem, which is why there is a lack of innovation and growth

Perfectly stated. The fantasy many Americans who have never left their hometown have towards the Nordic countries is pretty humorous when compared to the daily lived reality

Unlike you and the poster to whom you responded, some of us have *actually lived for years* in one or more Nordic countries, so we *actually* know what we’re talking about.

I love the US but we get a LOT of things wrong. It’s too bad our society has devolved into the two camps of “America sucks” or “USA! USA!” rather than acknowledging what we do well and actually trying to improve upon what we don’t do well.

I actually live in Germany and have for years, which is exactly how i know how accurate the PP's comment is. Maybe you're in some golden era of "look at me! I get to show off to my small town friends how cool I am because I live in Denmark!" but to those of us why have BTDT, it's not exactly impressive. It's okay for people to talk about their criticisms or downsides of something you love, I promise. And just be grateful that you have had the privilege, thus far, not to experience what the PP was speaking about. You seem like you have had a very small lived experience in life

Germany is not a Nordic country you idiot.

I'm aware you of that you utter clown. The point is many of the same issues with gender egalitarianism play a role in Germany as well. Are you really that stupid?

I guess I am stupid enough to think that your lived experience on Germany is utterly irrelevant in a conversation about quality of life in the *Nordic countries*. Maybe posters who have lived in Estonia or Latvia or Poland can chime in with their amazing insights as well.

No wonder you hate Germany. Their attention to precision and details must be frustrating to you.

“But I want to insert whatever random talking point I want to in a completely unrelated conversation!” Are you Sarah Palin?

You truly think there's no similarity at all between countries next to each other in Western Europe, that share similar culture and social values, both of whom have embraced gender egalitarianism and have similar paternity/maternity leave policies? If you really cant draw any kind of parallels, that I'm going to just accept that you truly are 70 IQ and just politely exit this conversation. It's like trying to argue with a toddler.

NP- Germany usually means military. So no, your contributions are not really relevant as they are too specific.

This has to be the stupidest comment I've ever seen on DCUM. Yes, there are literally no American expats in Germany ever except military members. What a genius you are.

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Anonymous wrote:Canada because it’s the most similar yet better with gun violence and parental leave.

People always mention moving to Canada but nobody ever takes their own suggestion and moves there. Maybe it's not that great afterall.

Nobody?

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/american-expats-by-country
Here is an estimated look (not including ex-military personnel) of American expats by country.:
Each Country's Number of Expats
Mexico 799,248
Canada 273,226
United Kingdom 170,771
Puerto Rico 159,515
Germany 152,639
Australia 116,620
Israel 76,794
South Korea 68,050
France 61,668
Japan 58,340

Only because it's right over the border.

? Ok? ^^PP stated "People always mention moving to Canada but nobody ever takes their own suggestion and moves there. Maybe it's not that great afterall." I addressed that statement. People do move there.

People move there out of convenience and that's it. Hardly anyway dreams of moving to Canada the way they do the United States, or France, or England, or Japan. It's just like "Oh, sure it's right there.... why not?" The easy option.

ok, but why do you think they move there? And also, my post is a response to the PP's post of "nobody ever takes their own suggestion and moves there".

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Anonymous wrote:I would raise them in the USA first because, having lived abroad in many different countries, I think we have by far the best quality of life.
However, outside the US, my top personal choices would be:
Italy, France, Malaysia, England

LOL where exactly did you live? We’re not even CLOSE to having the best quality of life…

Actually we do. This is such nonsense. You spiked Americans have absolutely no idea how good you have it. If the UK was a state it would be #51 in every single metric.

WTF is a “spiked” American?

And you’ve obviously never lived in a Nordic country. Most places in the US are an absolute embarrassment in comparison. We’re still better than Canada, though, and I’ll die on that hill.

Don’t even get me started on Nordic countries.

Incredibly high COL with low salaries
Terrible weather
Lack of innovation and diversity of jobs
Rules/laws about everything
High taxes
*Insane mortgage debt* for income levels
Inflexible labor market due to laws
Everyone making roughly the same amount of money. A cleaner making not much less than an engineer.

Forced gender equality that in reality has just made life more difficult for women and easier for men. For example, women being pushed to take long parental leaves that are low paid with unavailable childcare. Women expected to have completely separate finances even if married and completely provide for themselves. Hence the parental leave since men are now not supporting women after they have children

Group think where everyone is the same and it you’re not, you’re a problem, which is why there is a lack of innovation and growth

Perfectly stated. The fantasy many Americans who have never left their hometown have towards the Nordic countries is pretty humorous when compared to the daily lived reality

Unlike you and the poster to whom you responded, some of us have *actually lived for years* in one or more Nordic countries, so we *actually* know what we’re talking about.

I love the US but we get a LOT of things wrong. It’s too bad our society has devolved into the two camps of “America sucks” or “USA! USA!” rather than acknowledging what we do well and actually trying to improve upon what we don’t do well.

You’re a POS

? why is that PP a POS? What did they state that makes them a POS?

I agree with that PP. The US isn't a perfect country. It gets some things right (we have a stronger economy than most), but it gets other things wrong (gun violence being #1 IMO).

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Anonymous wrote:I would raise them in the USA first because, having lived abroad in many different countries, I think we have by far the best quality of life.
However, outside the US, my top personal choices would be:
Italy, France, Malaysia, England

LOL where exactly did you live? We’re not even CLOSE to having the best quality of life…

Actually we do. This is such nonsense. You spiked Americans have absolutely no idea how good you have it. If the UK was a state it would be #51 in every single metric.

WTF is a “spiked” American?

And you’ve obviously never lived in a Nordic country. Most places in the US are an absolute embarrassment in comparison. We’re still better than Canada, though, and I’ll die on that hill.

Don’t even get me started on Nordic countries.

Incredibly high COL with low salaries
Terrible weather
Lack of innovation and diversity of jobs
Rules/laws about everything
High taxes
*Insane mortgage debt* for income levels
Inflexible labor market due to laws
Everyone making roughly the same amount of money. A cleaner making not much less than an engineer.

Forced gender equality that in reality has just made life more difficult for women and easier for men. For example, women being pushed to take long parental leaves that are low paid with unavailable childcare. Women expected to have completely separate finances even if married and completely provide for themselves. Hence the parental leave since men are now not supporting women after they have children

Group think where everyone is the same and it you’re not, you’re a problem, which is why there is a lack of innovation and growth

As I suspected, a list of complaints made by a person who has obviously never *lived* in one of these Nordic hellholes.

The quality of life is AMAZING and they’re extremely kid/family friendly societies. But they do expect their citizens to be educated and responsible members of the community, so I can see why a person such as yourself would be fearful of that.

I don’t think the QOL is high for working moms with kids. I think it’s the same grind with less flexibility and ability to outsource.

How do you know I’ve never lived there?

Do you disagree with things like the insanely high levels of mortgage debt or inflexible labor market?

Your list of grievances boils down to “I don’t know want to live in a society that isn’t completely divided into the haves and have-nots”. Your complaints about the quality of life of working mothers is patently absurd, given the long parental leaves and easy access to high quality daycare and schooling. (Newsflash: as a society, we don’t have that here.)

Just so you know, you’re still allowed to be a “kept woman” in the Nordics, which seems to be what you’re ultimately concerned about.

NP, but you dismissing her very genuine concerns about how the labor of motherhood is distributed unequally among the genders as a byproduct of the so called egalitarianism of the nordic countries makes YOU come off misogynistic and extremely self centered. It's not a good look, and certainly not emblematic of the progressive mindset you claim to embody. Actually it seems very backwoods, regressive, which is maybe where you're from originally

Did you have ChatGPT produce this word salad for you? Nothing in this paragraph makes any sense. What point are you trying to make? Do you think fathers should take on more of the “labor of motherhood”? Do you know what mothers are and what fathers are?

Seriously, I’m embarrassed for you.

Sure, of course fathers should be taking on some of the labor of motherhood, and trying to make the stress and level of work for their female partner go down. The fact that this is so baffling for you makes it obvious why youve never noticed the issue in your years of living in Nordic nations. What selfish, unempathetic, stupid person.

Should mothers take in the labor of fatherhood? You are incredibly unintelligent, BTW.

LOL of course you would say that. The "what aboutism" whenever someone points out how much more labor mothers do is really not a good look. And if you were trying to genuinely convince people that the Nordic countries (and its fans) are truly all about egalitarianism and equality for women, you just blew up your argument.

LOL. Because I know that mothers are women and fathers are men? Female parents are called mothers and male parents are called fathers? That the labor of *parenthood* is what you probably think you were talking about?

I also don’t give a single sh!t about “egalitarianism and equality for women”. I just know that Nordic countries produce happier, more competent people than the US (which includes men, women, and children).

Maybe Laura Ingraham can read you a bedtime story tonight while you rage cry.

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Anonymous wrote:I would raise them in the USA first because, having lived abroad in many different countries, I think we have by far the best quality of life.
However, outside the US, my top personal choices would be:
Italy, France, Malaysia, England

LOL where exactly did you live? We’re not even CLOSE to having the best quality of life…

Actually we do. This is such nonsense. You spiked Americans have absolutely no idea how good you have it. If the UK was a state it would be #51 in every single metric.

WTF is a “spiked” American?

And you’ve obviously never lived in a Nordic country. Most places in the US are an absolute embarrassment in comparison. We’re still better than Canada, though, and I’ll die on that hill.

Don’t even get me started on Nordic countries.

Incredibly high COL with low salaries
Terrible weather
Lack of innovation and diversity of jobs
Rules/laws about everything
High taxes
*Insane mortgage debt* for income levels
Inflexible labor market due to laws
Everyone making roughly the same amount of money. A cleaner making not much less than an engineer.

Forced gender equality that in reality has just made life more difficult for women and easier for men. For example, women being pushed to take long parental leaves that are low paid with unavailable childcare. Women expected to have completely separate finances even if married and completely provide for themselves. Hence the parental leave since men are now not supporting women after they have children

Group think where everyone is the same and it you’re not, you’re a problem, which is why there is a lack of innovation and growth

Perfectly stated. The fantasy many Americans who have never left their hometown have towards the Nordic countries is pretty humorous when compared to the daily lived reality

Then why are all the happiest people living in the nordic countries? The US is towards the bottom of the most happiest developed countries.

The US isn't that far off, way higher than the vast majority of countries in the rest of the world. For example, happier than the happiest country in eastern asia, by a good margin

As stated, " The US is towards the bottom of the most happiest developed countries." Yes, Japan and S Korea are below the US. But, the US is below most other developed countries. That's quite shameful given how we are richer than most of those other countries that are happier than we are.

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Anonymous wrote:I would raise them in the USA first because, having lived abroad in many different countries, I think we have by far the best quality of life.
However, outside the US, my top personal choices would be:
Italy, France, Malaysia, England

LOL where exactly did you live? We’re not even CLOSE to having the best quality of life…

Actually we do. This is such nonsense. You spiked Americans have absolutely no idea how good you have it. If the UK was a state it would be #51 in every single metric.

WTF is a “spiked” American?

And you’ve obviously never lived in a Nordic country. Most places in the US are an absolute embarrassment in comparison. We’re still better than Canada, though, and I’ll die on that hill.

Don’t even get me started on Nordic countries.

Incredibly high COL with low salaries
Terrible weather
Lack of innovation and diversity of jobs
Rules/laws about everything
High taxes
*Insane mortgage debt* for income levels
Inflexible labor market due to laws
Everyone making roughly the same amount of money. A cleaner making not much less than an engineer.

Forced gender equality that in reality has just made life more difficult for women and easier for men. For example, women being pushed to take long parental leaves that are low paid with unavailable childcare. Women expected to have completely separate finances even if married and completely provide for themselves. Hence the parental leave since men are now not supporting women after they have children

Group think where everyone is the same and it you’re not, you’re a problem, which is why there is a lack of innovation and growth

Perfectly stated. The fantasy many Americans who have never left their hometown have towards the Nordic countries is pretty humorous when compared to the daily lived reality

Then why are all the happiest people living in the nordic countries? The US is towards the bottom of the most happiest developed countries.

The US isn't that far off, way higher than the vast majority of countries in the rest of the world. For example, happier than the happiest country in eastern asia, by a good margin

We are closer in happiness to Mexico than we are to Finland. That doesn't seem weird to you given how the US is closer in wealth to Finland than MX?