Amazon RTO 5 days a week

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s hard to understand people. Job hunters apply for a job and claim that they’ll do what the company needs in exchange for pay and benefits. Once hired, the employee then wants to dictate to their employer how and where they work. Why do they think they have that right?

If the employee doesn’t like the employer’s rules, they need to work somewhere else, not complain about their employer. Employees want to have their cake and eat it too - they want their employer to assume all the risk of the business, but share in the upside, even if they’re half-a**ing it from home. If these employees owned their own business and employees treated them the same way, their eyes would be opened.

Usually if you're hired as a remote worker, you don't expect your employer to decide you first must come in to the office 3 days a week and then 5. The expectation should work both ways. They hired lots of people they knew could not come into the office 3 or 5 days a week and told them explicitly they wouldn't have to do that. If you like in North Carolina and you're hired as a remote worker and the closest office is Arlington, that seems rather unfair to just change the expectations of your employment willy nilly.

Even if you are local. My spouse was hired years ago before Covid with full work at home. Then it was one day a week and now five. We cannot afford to move nor will we uproot the kids. It’s easily a 60-90 minute commute.

[Anonymous]

Lots of people OE'ing at Amazon and are sweating the RTO. It seems like Amazon is trying to smoke them out:

https://www.reddit.com/r/overemployed/comments/1fikszz/affected_by_amazon_rto/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lots of people OE'ing at Amazon and are sweating the RTO. It seems like Amazon is trying to smoke them out:

https://www.reddit.com/r/overemployed/comments/1fikszz/affected_by_amazon_rto/

What does oe mean?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lots of people OE'ing at Amazon and are sweating the RTO. It seems like Amazon is trying to smoke them out:

https://www.reddit.com/r/overemployed/comments/1fikszz/affected_by_amazon_rto/

What does oe mean?

Pretty sure it means overemployed -- in this context, working another job(s) in addition to the Amazon job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If it is a stealth layoff, which seems to be so obvious to some, then why nobody attempts to file class action lawsuit and demand severance plus punitive?

This is when you get when someone who doesn't know what they are talking about throws out some legal terms and pretends to be a lawyer. Stay in your lane, engineer Bob.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s hard to understand people. Job hunters apply for a job and claim that they’ll do what the company needs in exchange for pay and benefits.

No, I apply for a job based on the posted job description and location that are acceptable to me. I'm not agreeing to do anything and live anywhere that the company desires.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Amazon had always been the place for people who can't get jobs somewhere else. Lowest paying, lowest benefit, most abusive management in Big Tech.

They thrive on desperate people (mostly immigrant new grads) who are willing to overwork themselves until they find something better or get laid off.

Not necessarily true. Husband made the jump from another FAANG I think during pandemic when hiring was going crazy and got a big bump in salary after getting passed over for the usual politics. Not because he was a bad performer. He was not.

He’s still making quite a lot more than he was making at his previous FAANG company, which is supposed to treat their employees amazingly but actually was a dysfunctional sshow.

Honestly, they are all kind of evil, but those golden handcuffs! It makes it hard to go to other places. He’s worked at a few. I’d say Microsoft was the nicest and chillest but paid the least. Amazon seems to be the roughest in terms of office politics.

I remind him, and he knows, that he makes way more than most people, and that is a combination of talent and ambition and luck. Amazon is evil but he still is getting paid a lot of money and his work life balance is not bad, as some people here are saying.

I assume you don’t work. That’s the key to Amazon. It works you like big law but pays way way less.

I work but don't make NEARLY as much money. The money I make is basically "fun" money comparatively. But I have followed his career, and I do think that probably depends on the team. He really doesn't have bad work/life balance. He used to be in sales, and there was more freedom but more stress with quotas. He is definitely 9-5, and that's with time to go out for a walk or do errands, etc....It's not much different than the other FAANGs he worked at in terms of work/life balance. None have really been bad. Maybe it's the team.

That is not a normal schedule at all. Mine works at about 7:30 or so and varies on when it’s over between 6-7 usually sometimes with later calls and always checking in things.

I don’t know what to say. Teams vary. My husband gets very good performance reviews. I feel like that happens at all big companies. Some teams are more stressful than others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lots of people OE'ing at Amazon and are sweating the RTO. It seems like Amazon is trying to smoke them out:

https://www.reddit.com/r/overemployed/comments/1fikszz/affected_by_amazon_rto/

What does oe mean?

Pretty sure it means overemployed -- in this context, working another job(s) in addition to the Amazon job.

The proper DCUM term is "J1, J2, J3 guy".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just announced: https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/company-news/ceo-andy-jassy-latest-update-on-amazon-return-to-office-manager-team-ratio

Anyone here at HQ2 not happy?

This is completely unfair!

People have lives you know, Amazon. I mean, how are people supposed to take care of routine tasks like laundry? Preparing family meals? Who is supposed to provide childcare while we are at the office??!?

Amazon: please reconsider this inhumane and cruel directive.

[Anonymous]

I am constantly getting headhunter calls for jobs at Amazon. Way more than any other company. I am skeptical this is some kind of stealth layoff. If it is, there’s a major left hand/ right hand problem there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lots of people OE'ing at Amazon and are sweating the RTO. It seems like Amazon is trying to smoke them out:

https://www.reddit.com/r/overemployed/comments/1fikszz/affected_by_amazon_rto/

What does oe mean?

Pretty sure it means overemployed -- in this context, working another job(s) in addition to the Amazon job.

It is near impossible to work two jobs. Someone was with my spouse and they figured it out pretty quick.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am constantly getting headhunter calls for jobs at Amazon. Way more than any other company. I am skeptical this is some kind of stealth layoff. If it is, there’s a major left hand/ right hand problem there.

They are constantly hiring...then firing... it makes no sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just announced: https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/company-news/ceo-andy-jassy-latest-update-on-amazon-return-to-office-manager-team-ratio

Anyone here at HQ2 not happy?

This is completely unfair!

People have lives you know, Amazon. I mean, how are people supposed to take care of routine tasks like laundry? Preparing family meals? Who is supposed to provide childcare while we are at the office??!?

Amazon: please reconsider this inhumane and cruel directive.

Yawn... not everyone needs child care. Not everyone has young kids...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is a hire to fire model. This is great as no severance or unemployment claims

That’s how amazon is set up. Even their 401k takes 3 years to vest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am constantly getting headhunter calls for jobs at Amazon. Way more than any other company. I am skeptical this is some kind of stealth layoff. If it is, there’s a major left hand/ right hand problem there.

They are constantly hiring...then firing... it makes no sense.

It's their corporate model - hire to fire. Their business model has them firing or laying off 10-15% of white collar workers each year. If you fully vest at Amazon it means you're pretty damn good at your job.