UVA and in-state stats and laws on required numbers

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Anonymous wrote:I really don't understand this sentiment. Looking at the State Council of Higher Education admission statistics, applicants from Fairfax County has an acceptance rate of over 30% to UVA. How much higher does it need to be?

You make it sound like it's impossible when the numbers say otherwise.

That’s a fair point. It seems perhaps yield isn’t all that high at UVA considering its, “cachet.”

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Anonymous wrote:Comparing UVA to the UC schools (all together) is also unfair. UC Berkeley as an in-state acceptance rate of just 15%, significantly lower than UVA's 25%.

Unless you're aiming for UC Riverside? Then apply to JMU and be happy about it.

Most kids in VA outside of Nova would be thrilled with JMU. The Nova UVA obsession is out of control.

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Anonymous wrote:Comparing UVA to the UC schools (all together) is also unfair. UC Berkeley as an in-state acceptance rate of just 15%, significantly lower than UVA's 25%.

Unless you're aiming for UC Riverside? Then apply to JMU and be happy about it.

Most kids in VA outside of Nova would be thrilled with JMU. The Nova UVA obsession is out of control.

NP, last year my kid applied to UVA. Warned him that a number of parents and alumni had a reputation as being kind of "douchy". Appears the reputation has come to fruition.

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College applications are forecasted to decline. Expansion of capacity is going to impact the entire public higher education system.

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Anonymous wrote:Comparing UVA to the UC schools (all together) is also unfair. UC Berkeley as an in-state acceptance rate of just 15%, significantly lower than UVA's 25%.

Unless you're aiming for UC Riverside? Then apply to JMU and be happy about it.

Most kids in VA outside of Nova would be thrilled with JMU. The Nova UVA obsession is out of control.

NP, last year my kid applied to UVA. Warned him that a number of parents and alumni had a reputation as being kind of "douchy". Appears the reputation has come to fruition.

+1 One of my kids didn’t want to consider UVA for this reason and at the time, I thought it was melodramatic. I have come to realize they were correct.

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UVA has dropped slightly in the ranking for top publics. VA residents should work to make UVA a top public in the nation. There are plenty other good options. VA needs a top college whether public or private, and UVA seems the best bet to achieve that goal.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA has dropped slightly in the ranking for top publics. VA residents should work to make UVA a top public in the nation. There are plenty other good options. VA needs a top college whether public or private, and UVA seems the best bet to achieve that goal.

Troll post. No college needs a senseless ranking to serve their state.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you aware the OOS students are paying $20,000 + more each year?

More like 40k more. One of the two most expensive oos schools in the country. Want more Virginians? Pay for it. Vote for it. Or quit whining. oos students are funding your school...

It won’t make a difference. UVA should be sufficiently large enough to handle virtually all of the very top students in the state. It isn’t and therein lies the problem.

Virginia can try to be more like Michigan but that won’t be a solution; Virginia will end up more like Wisconsin if it goes that route — a fine school, but not a school oos students would be willing to pay private school tuition for.

I guess then that UVA doesn’t quite have the “cachet” that some think it does. Michigan, which has the highest tuition for OOS students in the country, has no problem filling its classrooms.

It certainly won’t have the cachet if it lets in 15k more kids!

In other words it’s no Cal, UCLA, or Michigan. Those three schools all have cachet and at least attempt to serve the top students in their respective states. UVA seems to want to keep many of its top students out of the state flagship.

Well, I note in your statement that you cited TWO California schools, Berkeley and UCLA. Students in Virginia can attend more than just UVA.

Students in CA can also attend 4-5 more UC schools that are superior to almost anything else that Virginia has to offer.

Except they are not. California universities have been elevated in rankings by high Pell Grant numbers and in ROI studies by being in a state where the cost of living is 45% higher than the national average (resulting in higher salaries, which aren't that high when you factor cost of living).

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Anonymous wrote:Are you aware the OOS students are paying $20,000 + more each year?

More like 40k more. One of the two most expensive oos schools in the country. Want more Virginians? Pay for it. Vote for it. Or quit whining. oos students are funding your school...

It won’t make a difference. UVA should be sufficiently large enough to handle virtually all of the very top students in the state. It isn’t and therein lies the problem.

Virginia can try to be more like Michigan but that won’t be a solution; Virginia will end up more like Wisconsin if it goes that route — a fine school, but not a school oos students would be willing to pay private school tuition for.

I guess then that UVA doesn’t quite have the “cachet” that some think it does. Michigan, which has the highest tuition for OOS students in the country, has no problem filling its classrooms.

It certainly won’t have the cachet if it lets in 15k more kids!

In other words it’s no Cal, UCLA, or Michigan. Those three schools all have cachet and at least attempt to serve the top students in their respective states. UVA seems to want to keep many of its top students out of the state flagship.

UVA does not have the infrastructure nor the land to enroll the number of students like Michigan, UCLA, and others.

UVA's central campus has 1,100 acres. UCLA has 419. UCLA has nearly 2X as many students. UVA can increase density, just like UCLA did.

Your so desperate to put that UVA sticker on your car that you don’t care if your kids are packed like sardines in their dorms and classrooms.

I am not saying UVA should significantly grow. I am just saying the argument that there is no land is hollow.

I think UVA wants to maintain the Academical Village concept as much as possible. Spreading everyone out too far and wide is sort of antithetical to the spirit of the place.

If they wanted to maintain the "Academical Village" concept, all undergraduates would live on campus (grounds). Only 38% live on grounds. They are far, far from the concept already.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you aware the OOS students are paying $20,000 + more each year?

More like 40k more. One of the two most expensive oos schools in the country. Want more Virginians? Pay for it. Vote for it. Or quit whining. oos students are funding your school...

It won’t make a difference. UVA should be sufficiently large enough to handle virtually all of the very top students in the state. It isn’t and therein lies the problem.

Virginia can try to be more like Michigan but that won’t be a solution; Virginia will end up more like Wisconsin if it goes that route — a fine school, but not a school oos students would be willing to pay private school tuition for.

I guess then that UVA doesn’t quite have the “cachet” that some think it does. Michigan, which has the highest tuition for OOS students in the country, has no problem filling its classrooms.

It certainly won’t have the cachet if it lets in 15k more kids!

In other words it’s no Cal, UCLA, or Michigan. Those three schools all have cachet and at least attempt to serve the top students in their respective states. UVA seems to want to keep many of its top students out of the state flagship.

UVA does not have the infrastructure nor the land to enroll the number of students like Michigan, UCLA, and others.

UVA's central campus has 1,100 acres. UCLA has 419. UCLA has nearly 2X as many students. UVA can increase density, just like UCLA did.

Your so desperate to put that UVA sticker on your car that you don’t care if your kids are packed like sardines in their dorms and classrooms.

I am not saying UVA should significantly grow. I am just saying the argument that there is no land is hollow.

I think UVA wants to maintain the Academical Village concept as much as possible. Spreading everyone out too far and wide is sort of antithetical to the spirit of the place.

Then why did UVA expand from the original Academical Village?

I don’t know, probably because a bunch of crazy NoVa parents kept bugging them.

UVA can and will expand if doing so serves institutional needs such as developing North Grounds for Darden and law. More undergraduates from Nova don't necessarily help UVA. Folks need to understand undergraduate education is far from the priority at R1's.

Undergraduates subsidize graduate programs (although not areas like law or business) and research.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you aware the OOS students are paying $20,000 + more each year?

More like 40k more. One of the two most expensive oos schools in the country. Want more Virginians? Pay for it. Vote for it. Or quit whining. oos students are funding your school...

It won’t make a difference. UVA should be sufficiently large enough to handle virtually all of the very top students in the state. It isn’t and therein lies the problem.

Virginia can try to be more like Michigan but that won’t be a solution; Virginia will end up more like Wisconsin if it goes that route — a fine school, but not a school oos students would be willing to pay private school tuition for.

I guess then that UVA doesn’t quite have the “cachet” that some think it does. Michigan, which has the highest tuition for OOS students in the country, has no problem filling its classrooms.

It certainly won’t have the cachet if it lets in 15k more kids!

In other words it’s no Cal, UCLA, or Michigan. Those three schools all have cachet and at least attempt to serve the top students in their respective states. UVA seems to want to keep many of its top students out of the state flagship.

UVA does not have the infrastructure nor the land to enroll the number of students like Michigan, UCLA, and others.

UVA's central campus has 1,100 acres. UCLA has 419. UCLA has nearly 2X as many students. UVA can increase density, just like UCLA did.

Your so desperate to put that UVA sticker on your car that you don’t care if your kids are packed like sardines in their dorms and classrooms.

I am not saying UVA should significantly grow. I am just saying the argument that there is no land is hollow.

I think UVA wants to maintain the Academical Village concept as much as possible. Spreading everyone out too far and wide is sort of antithetical to the spirit of the place.

UVA could have done what the City of Charlottesville is more or less forcing on it at the edge of campus -- building higher. The city just approved a 12 story, 580 unit apartment building right next to the school of engineering.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you aware the OOS students are paying $20,000 + more each year?

More like 40k more. One of the two most expensive oos schools in the country. Want more Virginians? Pay for it. Vote for it. Or quit whining. oos students are funding your school...

It won’t make a difference. UVA should be sufficiently large enough to handle virtually all of the very top students in the state. It isn’t and therein lies the problem.

Virginia can try to be more like Michigan but that won’t be a solution; Virginia will end up more like Wisconsin if it goes that route — a fine school, but not a school oos students would be willing to pay private school tuition for.

I guess then that UVA doesn’t quite have the “cachet” that some think it does. Michigan, which has the highest tuition for OOS students in the country, has no problem filling its classrooms.

It certainly won’t have the cachet if it lets in 15k more kids!

In other words it’s no Cal, UCLA, or Michigan. Those three schools all have cachet and at least attempt to serve the top students in their respective states. UVA seems to want to keep many of its top students out of the state flagship.

UVA does not have the infrastructure nor the land to enroll the number of students like Michigan, UCLA, and others.

UVA's central campus has 1,100 acres. UCLA has 419. UCLA has nearly 2X as many students. UVA can increase density, just like UCLA did.

Your so desperate to put that UVA sticker on your car that you don’t care if your kids are packed like sardines in their dorms and classrooms.

I am not saying UVA should significantly grow. I am just saying the argument that there is no land is hollow.

I think UVA wants to maintain the Academical Village concept as much as possible. Spreading everyone out too far and wide is sort of antithetical to the spirit of the place.

The purpose of a state school is to educate its residents.

And thank goodness us Virginia residents have so many state schools to educate us.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you aware the OOS students are paying $20,000 + more each year?

More like 40k more. One of the two most expensive oos schools in the country. Want more Virginians? Pay for it. Vote for it. Or quit whining. oos students are funding your school...

It won’t make a difference. UVA should be sufficiently large enough to handle virtually all of the very top students in the state. It isn’t and therein lies the problem.

Virginia can try to be more like Michigan but that won’t be a solution; Virginia will end up more like Wisconsin if it goes that route — a fine school, but not a school oos students would be willing to pay private school tuition for.

I guess then that UVA doesn’t quite have the “cachet” that some think it does. Michigan, which has the highest tuition for OOS students in the country, has no problem filling its classrooms.

It certainly won’t have the cachet if it lets in 15k more kids!

In other words it’s no Cal, UCLA, or Michigan. Those three schools all have cachet and at least attempt to serve the top students in their respective states. UVA seems to want to keep many of its top students out of the state flagship.

UVA does not have the infrastructure nor the land to enroll the number of students like Michigan, UCLA, and others.

UVA's central campus has 1,100 acres. UCLA has 419. UCLA has nearly 2X as many students. UVA can increase density, just like UCLA did.

Your so desperate to put that UVA sticker on your car that you don’t care if your kids are packed like sardines in their dorms and classrooms.

I am not saying UVA should significantly grow. I am just saying the argument that there is no land is hollow.

I think UVA wants to maintain the Academical Village concept as much as possible. Spreading everyone out too far and wide is sort of antithetical to the spirit of the place.

Then why did UVA expand from the original Academical Village?

I don’t know, probably because a bunch of crazy NoVa parents kept bugging them.

UVA can and will expand if doing so serves institutional needs such as developing North Grounds for Darden and law. More undergraduates from Nova don't necessarily help UVA. Folks need to understand undergraduate education is far from the priority at R1's.

Undergraduates subsidize graduate programs (although not areas like law or business) and research.

That doesn't mean UVA needs more undergraduates. In fact, more would be a net loss if it requires housing to be built, adjuncts to be hired, expansion of dining/health services, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a state school in VA of literally every type of student from top to middling to lower.

In NC you do not have that, it's UNC CH and then everything else.

My normal white boy from NOVA is at UVA now, with a less than 1400 SAT but very high class rank. Its not impossible to get in, but it is very much about GPA and class rank (even in schools who claim to have no class rank)

Former NC resident - this is not true. Chapel Hill is definitely the best but there are options for every level of student in the UNC system.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you aware the OOS students are paying $20,000 + more each year?

More like 40k more. One of the two most expensive oos schools in the country. Want more Virginians? Pay for it. Vote for it. Or quit whining. oos students are funding your school...

It won’t make a difference. UVA should be sufficiently large enough to handle virtually all of the very top students in the state. It isn’t and therein lies the problem.

Virginia can try to be more like Michigan but that won’t be a solution; Virginia will end up more like Wisconsin if it goes that route — a fine school, but not a school oos students would be willing to pay private school tuition for.

I guess then that UVA doesn’t quite have the “cachet” that some think it does. Michigan, which has the highest tuition for OOS students in the country, has no problem filling its classrooms.

It certainly won’t have the cachet if it lets in 15k more kids!

In other words it’s no Cal, UCLA, or Michigan. Those three schools all have cachet and at least attempt to serve the top students in their respective states. UVA seems to want to keep many of its top students out of the state flagship.

UVA does not have the infrastructure nor the land to enroll the number of students like Michigan, UCLA, and others.

UVA's central campus has 1,100 acres. UCLA has 419. UCLA has nearly 2X as many students. UVA can increase density, just like UCLA did.

Your so desperate to put that UVA sticker on your car that you don’t care if your kids are packed like sardines in their dorms and classrooms.

I am not saying UVA should significantly grow. I am just saying the argument that there is no land is hollow.

I think UVA wants to maintain the Academical Village concept as much as possible. Spreading everyone out too far and wide is sort of antithetical to the spirit of the place.

Then why did UVA expand from the original Academical Village?

I don’t know, probably because a bunch of crazy NoVa parents kept bugging them.

UVA can and will expand if doing so serves institutional needs such as developing North Grounds for Darden and law. More undergraduates from Nova don't necessarily help UVA. Folks need to understand undergraduate education is far from the priority at R1's.

Undergraduates subsidize graduate programs (although not areas like law or business) and research.

That doesn't mean UVA needs more undergraduates. In fact, more would be a net loss if it requires housing to be built, adjuncts to be hired, expansion of dining/health services, etc.

Don’t forget about parking. Parking rules all.