MLS Next and GA merging into one organization

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Anonymous wrote:Something else people don't know about NWSL is that they pay for your housing car and food with per diems while playing.

What this means is even if you're lowest paid you're still getting by comfortably.

https://theathletic.com/406970/2018/06/26/nwsl-confidential-living-with-host-families-we-are-strangers-at-home/

Yeah, it sounds amazing.

You seem like the type that would send back soup because it's too hot. Whatever..

Look at all the Minor league baseball players or hockey players just begging for an opportunity to play on a MLB or NHL team.

NWSL league minimum isn't great but it's also not meant to be a career. If players are good ideally they'll be given a chance to move up on the roster. If not they get dropped and replaced with someone else. It's how all professional sports teams work.

What league do you think is the equivalent of MLB or NHL in your analogy? The MLB's average salary is $4.5 million and the minimum is 720k. NHL is $3.2 million and 750k

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/mlb-minor-league-players-reach-deal-on-first-milb-cba/#:~:text=Under%20the%20terms%20of%20the,jump%20from%20%2411%2C000%20to%20%2427%2C300.
Under the terms of the agreement, minor league player salaries will be increased dramatically. Players in the complex leagues will go from making a minimum of $4,800 per year to $19,800 a year. The minimum salary for players in Low-A will go from $11,000 to $26,200. High-A salaries will jump from $11,000 to $27,300. Double-A salaries will go from $13,800 to $30,250. Triple-A salaries will increase from $17,500 to $35,800.

https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/hr0ft/how_much_do_hockey_players_get_paid_outside/
Hockey is the same outside of NHL

You are citing professional leagues that have been in existence for over 100 years and have well established minor league systems. NWSL has 14 teams and no minor league system and is younger as league than the players who play for NWSL.

What you want CAN happen but it is a LOOOOOOONG way off.

> 5

Less than 5 for the changeover.

However, in the next year we're going to know where all this leads. Once the direction becomes clear everyone will race to be involved with the winning team.

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Anonymous wrote:Something else people don't know about NWSL is that they pay for your housing car and food with per diems while playing.

What this means is even if you're lowest paid you're still getting by comfortably.

https://theathletic.com/406970/2018/06/26/nwsl-confidential-living-with-host-families-we-are-strangers-at-home/

Yeah, it sounds amazing.

You seem like the type that would send back soup because it's too hot. Whatever..

Look at all the Minor league baseball players or hockey players just begging for an opportunity to play on a MLB or NHL team.

NWSL league minimum isn't great but it's also not meant to be a career. If players are good ideally they'll be given a chance to move up on the roster. If not they get dropped and replaced with someone else. It's how all professional sports teams work.

If it isn’t meant to be a career then why is SYC dad pushing the wonders that a NWSL/GA pathway to pro would offer?

A $10,000 - $15,000 athletic scholarship for a degree is being foolish to take when you can live in someone’s spare room for $35k a year?

No idea what you're talking about.

Sounds like you're trying to disparage playing pro vs college.

You might want to keep an eye on what's going on with all the NCAA lawsuits. It's gotten so bad that NCAA is begging congress for an exemption so that can keep paying their slaves with scholarships instead of real money.

No, I’m being realistic about such a fully funded academy system happening in the near future.

Do I believe such a system will happen? Sure, in time, but not for a decade. It took MLS over 20 years to get that point.

I would not place my kid in a program now based on such macro hypotheticals. And they are hypotheticals based on nothing but reading into quotes here and there about things that “should happen” but not necessarily stated plans on what will happen.

Support NWSL now, let it grow naturally and safely, and in time this can happen.

Get smart guy.

Playing in college is the same as playing professionally when you're talking about $$$. You just have to break college down.

Average D1 instate tuition is 10k, average out of state tuition is 30k. If you get a full ride your kid is making 30k a year playing soccer. They're just being forced to spend it on the college they're attending.

Most college players are on partial scholarship which means they're playing between 4k and 18k per year to attend college. Or put another way they're being paid 6k-12k per year to play soccer.

Suddenly the NWSL minimum doesn't sound that bad.

.001% will play professionally.

Choosing a club/league based on a dream academy system, that even if it did exist now, doesn’t mean your kid becomes a pro.

But, imagine being among the .001% of something and only earning 35k a year.

College? You hopefully have a marketable degree as well as the potential to still play pro.

Ha! Try and get a "marketable" degree ie anything in math or science while playing a sport in College.

I get that you like the potential safety net that college provides. But, if NWSL was to partner with GA and implement "NWSL Next" nothing changes. Colleges will likely still have sports and youth leagues will showcase their best players for college coaches.

What you don't like is that if NWSL was to partner with GA and create NWSL Next ECNL would instantly become a 2nd tier league and clubs would hop over to GA left and right. (Just like they did with DA in 2017)

There are currently 420 roster spots in NWSL.

Even with an academy system now, there just isn’t the opportunity or money to make the sacrifice worth it for most kids.

I'm the parent of an MLS Next player. For him, being in the league is about being on the team that's the best fit for him and being in the league with the best competition. Playing with and against the best players is the motivation. Nobody thinks he's going pro and the pathway to pro isn't applicable. But, that pathway does attract the top boys. If a platform can attract the very top players, other good players follow.
And because MLS Next is the highest competition level for boys, it also attracts the most scouting from college coaches. This isn't really a consideration for us when choosing where to play. It's simply the highest level league. ECNL doesn't have a magic connection with colleges. As soon as it's not the highest level league, college coaches will look to the league that is. And if another league can attract the very top girls with its pathway, other girls will follow.

You get it, its not two leagues vs each other its what works for you. Girls have never had the option to consider pro until recently, and its happeing in isolated invidividual circumstances for the best of the best, to just assume there is not more talent out there is silly. And yes most will never be professionals but equity is simply providing a pathway. Not sure why we are arguing about that core tenent, equity for girls to have the opportunity to choose. ECNL does not have a vision for that, and does not need to at the moment. There happens to be another league that does have that vision for girls to train (for now) to be professionals with the pathway in the works. If the pathways doesn't materialize for a HS age girl now, then it might not be your choice. Cool... to each their own.

I've yet to pit two leagues against each other. All I'm saying is that your optimism needs to be tempered. There isn't a single person here who doesn't hope for a true academy style system for young women. I'm just saying that it is not going to happen in time for our kids. And with that in mind, it is ridiculous to consider where a kids plays based on tea leaf reading vaporware hopium dreams for our kids.

You can only place your kid in the situation that currently exists, not the one you hope happens.

Future is now, its already happening. Do you need an IG post to be convinced, pay attention if you have 2011 and younger, maybe 2010, this is less than 5 years away.

How about a simple NWSL announcement of forming an academy system. How about start there, you know, with an actual statement of an actual plan or an agreement.

How about show us the announcement where MLSNext officials and GA officials are actually announcing this merger into one organization. Where is the press release? And then show the similar press release of MLS and NWSL becoming a single organization.

Nobody is arguing the need they are only debating both the current feasibility and likelihood of it happening now. And even an optimistic 5 year plan does nothing for current GA/ECNL aged kids.

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True. That's how all these companies get us too. As parents, typically there's a new wave every year and in 4-5 years most of us won't care anymore and the vicious cycle continues.

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Anonymous wrote:Something else people don't know about NWSL is that they pay for your housing car and food with per diems while playing.

What this means is even if you're lowest paid you're still getting by comfortably.

https://theathletic.com/406970/2018/06/26/nwsl-confidential-living-with-host-families-we-are-strangers-at-home/

Yeah, it sounds amazing.

You seem like the type that would send back soup because it's too hot. Whatever..

Look at all the Minor league baseball players or hockey players just begging for an opportunity to play on a MLB or NHL team.

NWSL league minimum isn't great but it's also not meant to be a career. If players are good ideally they'll be given a chance to move up on the roster. If not they get dropped and replaced with someone else. It's how all professional sports teams work.

If it isn’t meant to be a career then why is SYC dad pushing the wonders that a NWSL/GA pathway to pro would offer?

A $10,000 - $15,000 athletic scholarship for a degree is being foolish to take when you can live in someone’s spare room for $35k a year?

No idea what you're talking about.

Sounds like you're trying to disparage playing pro vs college.

You might want to keep an eye on what's going on with all the NCAA lawsuits. It's gotten so bad that NCAA is begging congress for an exemption so that can keep paying their slaves with scholarships instead of real money.

No, I’m being realistic about such a fully funded academy system happening in the near future.

Do I believe such a system will happen? Sure, in time, but not for a decade. It took MLS over 20 years to get that point.

I would not place my kid in a program now based on such macro hypotheticals. And they are hypotheticals based on nothing but reading into quotes here and there about things that “should happen” but not necessarily stated plans on what will happen.

Support NWSL now, let it grow naturally and safely, and in time this can happen.

Get smart guy.

Playing in college is the same as playing professionally when you're talking about $$$. You just have to break college down.

Average D1 instate tuition is 10k, average out of state tuition is 30k. If you get a full ride your kid is making 30k a year playing soccer. They're just being forced to spend it on the college they're attending.

Most college players are on partial scholarship which means they're playing between 4k and 18k per year to attend college. Or put another way they're being paid 6k-12k per year to play soccer.

Suddenly the NWSL minimum doesn't sound that bad.

.001% will play professionally.

Choosing a club/league based on a dream academy system, that even if it did exist now, doesn’t mean your kid becomes a pro.

But, imagine being among the .001% of something and only earning 35k a year.

College? You hopefully have a marketable degree as well as the potential to still play pro.

Ha! Try and get a "marketable" degree ie anything in math or science while playing a sport in College.

I get that you like the potential safety net that college provides. But, if NWSL was to partner with GA and implement "NWSL Next" nothing changes. Colleges will likely still have sports and youth leagues will showcase their best players for college coaches.

What you don't like is that if NWSL was to partner with GA and create NWSL Next ECNL would instantly become a 2nd tier league and clubs would hop over to GA left and right. (Just like they did with DA in 2017)

There are currently 420 roster spots in NWSL.

Even with an academy system now, there just isn’t the opportunity or money to make the sacrifice worth it for most kids.

I'm the parent of an MLS Next player. For him, being in the league is about being on the team that's the best fit for him and being in the league with the best competition. Playing with and against the best players is the motivation. Nobody thinks he's going pro and the pathway to pro isn't applicable. But, that pathway does attract the top boys. If a platform can attract the very top players, other good players follow.
And because MLS Next is the highest competition level for boys, it also attracts the most scouting from college coaches. This isn't really a consideration for us when choosing where to play. It's simply the highest level league. ECNL doesn't have a magic connection with colleges. As soon as it's not the highest level league, college coaches will look to the league that is. And if another league can attract the very top girls with its pathway, other girls will follow.

You get it, its not two leagues vs each other its what works for you. Girls have never had the option to consider pro until recently, and its happeing in isolated invidividual circumstances for the best of the best, to just assume there is not more talent out there is silly. And yes most will never be professionals but equity is simply providing a pathway. Not sure why we are arguing about that core tenent, equity for girls to have the opportunity to choose. ECNL does not have a vision for that, and does not need to at the moment. There happens to be another league that does have that vision for girls to train (for now) to be professionals with the pathway in the works. If the pathways doesn't materialize for a HS age girl now, then it might not be your choice. Cool... to each their own.

I've yet to pit two leagues against each other. All I'm saying is that your optimism needs to be tempered. There isn't a single person here who doesn't hope for a true academy style system for young women. I'm just saying that it is not going to happen in time for our kids. And with that in mind, it is ridiculous to consider where a kids plays based on tea leaf reading vaporware hopium dreams for our kids.

You can only place your kid in the situation that currently exists, not the one you hope happens.

Future is now, its already happening. Do you need an IG post to be convinced, pay attention if you have 2011 and younger, maybe 2010, this is less than 5 years away.

How about a simple NWSL announcement of forming an academy system. How about start there, you know, with an actual statement of an actual plan or an agreement.

How about show us the announcement where MLSNext officials and GA officials are actually announcing this merger into one organization. Where is the press release? And then show the similar press release of MLS and NWSL becoming a single organization.

Nobody is arguing the need they are only debating both the current feasibility and likelihood of it happening now. And even an optimistic 5 year plan does nothing for current GA/ECNL aged kids.

Standby other assertions not this one. Despite it being the name of the thread, which was absolutely intended as a troll post I would assume did turn into a decent discussion about what if GA had the academy clout MSLN has.

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Anonymous wrote:True. That's how all these companies get us too. As parents, typically there's a new wave every year and in 4-5 years most of us won't care anymore and the vicious cycle continues.

This my fear too cause it really is all about that paper, however the NCAA paper situation will move this all along in far less than 5 years.

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https://frontofficesports.com/nick-saban-nil-money-transfer-portal-retirement/

Something is going to happen. When it's a factor for Saban leaving Alabama, the college game is headed for a change.

[Anonymous]

He was hiding under the bridge the whole time.

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Anonymous wrote:True. That's how all these companies get us too. As parents, typically there's a new wave every year and in 4-5 years most of us won't care anymore and the vicious cycle continues.

This my fear too cause it really is all about that paper, however the NCAA paper situation will move this all along in far less than 5 years.

It doesn’t matter when because at the end of the day the best players will have the best spots in whatever league is considered the best. So racing there first just gets you replaced first when the best players decide to switch.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:True. That's how all these companies get us too. As parents, typically there's a new wave every year and in 4-5 years most of us won't care anymore and the vicious cycle continues.

This my fear too cause it really is all about that paper, however the NCAA paper situation will move this all along in far less than 5 years.

It doesn’t matter when because at the end of the day the best players will have the best spots in whatever league is considered the best. So racing there first just gets you replaced first when the best players decide to switch.

Best can also mean worst tomorrow, it depends on the coach.

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Anonymous wrote:True. That's how all these companies get us too. As parents, typically there's a new wave every year and in 4-5 years most of us won't care anymore and the vicious cycle continues.

This my fear too cause it really is all about that paper, however the NCAA paper situation will move this all along in far less than 5 years.

It doesn’t matter when because at the end of the day the best players will have the best spots in whatever league is considered the best. So racing there first just gets you replaced first when the best players decide to switch.

Best can also mean worst tomorrow, it depends on the coach.

Touche

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The NWSL teams that have academy’s now don’t take from them. In fact a couple of the NWSL academy teams are average at best. Just another sad GA parent grasping for something that was never there and never will be. The women’s game is so different from the men’s.

And who was it that said DA was better than the ECNL? Laughable. Within 5 weeks of DA league play and seeing the GA level of comp the DA was inundated with, the better clubs all went back to the ECNL. Year 1 and 2 of the DA was a mass exodus back to the ECNL for the clubs that were allowed to rejoin. Pay attention to facts before spitting garbage.

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They should focus entirely on the younger ages and develop skills, academy style. Let ECNL and GA do their thing with the older ages.

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Anonymous wrote:They should focus entirely on the younger ages and develop skills, academy style. Let ECNL and GA do their thing with the older ages.

What they should do is play less games overall. But when they do play make age a variable. As an example if you play 2016 make teams field 3 2017s and 3 2015s on the 2016 team. This would force clubs to look at players as an age range. It would also stop clubs from collecting talent and not challenging them to play up. When you do age range games it forces clubs to train ALL the players as a group because it's the only way to consistently win. It also gives players more opportunities to play up and down.

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Anonymous wrote:They should focus entirely on the younger ages and develop skills, academy style. Let ECNL and GA do their thing with the older ages.

What they should do is play less games overall. But when they do play make age a variable. As an example if you play 2016 make teams field 3 2017s and 3 2015s on the 2016 team. This would force clubs to look at players as an age range. It would also stop clubs from collecting talent and not challenging them to play up. When you do age range games it forces clubs to train ALL the players as a group because it's the only way to consistently win. It also gives players more opportunities to play up and down.

This is why DA collapsed and MLS wanted out of DA. To many rules, too expensive and too restrictive. MLS just wanted a league to play in and they just wanted to control their academies as they saw fit. MLS is not interested in fielding or developing a NT.

MLS and NWSL goals are not your goals or US Soccer's goals.

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Anonymous wrote:They should focus entirely on the younger ages and develop skills, academy style. Let ECNL and GA do their thing with the older ages.

What they should do is play less games overall. But when they do play make age a variable. As an example if you play 2016 make teams field 3 2017s and 3 2015s on the 2016 team. This would force clubs to look at players as an age range. It would also stop clubs from collecting talent and not challenging them to play up. When you do age range games it forces clubs to train ALL the players as a group because it's the only way to consistently win. It also gives players more opportunities to play up and down.

This is why DA collapsed and MLS wanted out of DA. To many rules, too expensive and too restrictive. MLS just wanted a league to play in and they just wanted to control their academies as they saw fit. MLS is not interested in fielding or developing a NT.

MLS and NWSL goals are not your goals or US Soccer's goals.

This is exactly what MLS Next Acadamies are doing except for players playing down. Acadamies want players playing up. It's what they scout for. The reason for this is because ideally they'll find the next super talented youth they can field on their MLS team via a homegrown rule and not have their salary count against the salary cap.