McLean should back out

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Anonymous wrote:This thread title hasn’t aged well

Too soon?

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Anonymous wrote:Unless ECNL is requiring McLean to merge, the club should just bail out now. If BRAVE indeed evaporates, McLean ECNL is instantly better off (without doing a thing), as all of the displaced BRAVE players will be trying out for McLean (and everywhere else) anyway.

There is very little to be gained by actually going through with a merger with this dying club at the high cost of losing existing players and coaches. Why buy the cow when you get the milk for free?

By going forward with the merger, McLean risks alienating all of its existing coaches - and any current players who don’t want to lose their coach. If there are some BRAVE coaches that Mclean likes (yeah, uh…) they will all be available soon.

Kill the merger, post the coaching lineup, and ID session dates ASAP or risk losing current coaches and talent.

Are there any real businesspeople looking at this for McLean?

Wishful thinking but it’s ecnl forcing two clubs with issues to merge. No backing out at this point. Any near term collateral damage will be overcome in the long term or through additional mergers. If that doesn’t sound like a real businesspeople running things then you don’t know business.

Lol - “real” business people. The only thing lower than BRAVE’s business acumen is their futbol acumen.

That may be true but if a club a with low business and futbol acumen and a club that was NCSL just three years ago are merging with a founding ecnl club as equals, who really got played here?

You really think this is an equal partnership? Or could it possibly be nice public talk to start a relationship on the right path?

This one is my favorite

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Anonymous wrote:Unless ECNL is requiring McLean to merge, the club should just bail out now. If BRAVE indeed evaporates, McLean ECNL is instantly better off (without doing a thing), as all of the displaced BRAVE players will be trying out for McLean (and everywhere else) anyway.

There is very little to be gained by actually going through with a merger with this dying club at the high cost of losing existing players and coaches. Why buy the cow when you get the milk for free?

By going forward with the merger, McLean risks alienating all of its existing coaches - and any current players who don’t want to lose their coach. If there are some BRAVE coaches that Mclean likes (yeah, uh…) they will all be available soon.

Kill the merger, post the coaching lineup, and ID session dates ASAP or risk losing current coaches and talent.

Are there any real businesspeople looking at this for McLean?

Wishful thinking but it’s ecnl forcing two clubs with issues to merge. No backing out at this point. Any near term collateral damage will be overcome in the long term or through additional mergers. If that doesn’t sound like a real businesspeople running things then you don’t know business.

Lol - “real” business people. The only thing lower than BRAVE’s business acumen is their futbol acumen.

That may be true but if a club a with low business and futbol acumen and a club that was NCSL just three years ago are merging with a founding ecnl club as equals, who really got played here?

You really think this is an equal partnership? Or could it possibly be nice public talk to start a relationship on the right path?

This one is my favorite

Nah, the title of the thread takes the cake. Often wrong but never in doubt!

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Often wrong but never in doubt!

DCUM t-shirt slogan right there.

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McLean’s Executive Director, LW, completely mismanaged this club while she lined her pockets from tournaments (Discovery) and collected awards. Once she was out maneuvered and Arlington was given ECNL, all these current events became inevitable. Every move since has been an attempt to only stay in power and protect her income.

Wouldn’t surprise me if she was removed after all of this although the BOD has been complicit in the mismanagement of the club over the years too.

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Anonymous wrote:McLean’s Executive Director, LW, completely mismanaged this club while she lined her pockets from tournaments (Discovery) and collected awards. Once she was out maneuvered and Arlington was given ECNL, all these current events became inevitable. Every move since has been an attempt to only stay in power and protect her income.

Wouldn’t surprise me if she was removed after all of this although the BOD has been complicit in the mismanagement of the club over the years too.

Maybe that is why the assistant sent out the communication.

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Anonymous wrote:McLean’s Executive Director, LW, completely mismanaged this club while she lined her pockets from tournaments (Discovery) and collected awards. Once she was out maneuvered and Arlington was given ECNL, all these current events became inevitable. Every move since has been an attempt to only stay in power and protect her income.

Wouldn’t surprise me if she was removed after all of this although the BOD has been complicit in the mismanagement of the club over the years too.

Maybe that is why the assistant sent out the communication.

With which they could have done a better job. I think it's crappy that they chose to throw the boys' side under the bus, even if it's true.

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Anonymous wrote:McLean’s Executive Director, LW, completely mismanaged this club while she lined her pockets from tournaments (Discovery) and collected awards. Once she was out maneuvered and Arlington was given ECNL, all these current events became inevitable. Every move since has been an attempt to only stay in power and protect her income.

Wouldn’t surprise me if she was removed after all of this although the BOD has been complicit in the mismanagement of the club over the years too.

Maybe that is why the assistant sent out the communication.

With which they could have done a better job. I think it's crappy that they chose to throw the boys' side under the bus, even if it's true.

Did you honestly expect any differently from McLean?

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Anonymous wrote:I would be shocked if MV got teams and 1 if anything...either he is an awful coach or he never had the players at BRAVE that allowed him to play his style

MV is getting the 2008G

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Anonymous wrote:There is no full line up emailed or communicated yet.trolls are just having fun with anxious parents.

Those parents must not have a kid that they're trying to retain.

Not true. The full line up hasn't been emailed. That isn't to say there hadn't been communication.

The trolls/pot stirring is just getting annoying here.

Release what you have. It’s 2/27. Losing kids every day.

Everyone will know who saved who based on the coaching allocations. McBrave has arrived!

Good. And those coaching allocations are? You have lost 2 kids in the time it’s taken to read this message.

Lost them to who? Another ECNL team can't pick them up until Friday and if they're going to GA they were probably bench players anyway (not that there is anything wrong with that).

My kid signed up for an Arlington session today so they will definitely go to that practice and may take a spot if they like it. It’s after March 1, but we wouldn’t have even signed up if FVU had shown they were organized and released coaches. Tic tic. Your teams are getting worse every day.

-Not a Bench player

Fake News...

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Anonymous wrote:I would be shocked if MV got teams and 1 if anything...either he is an awful coach or he never had the players at BRAVE that allowed him to play his style

Then be prepared to be shocked. It’s a partnership - BRAVE players and families want MV. He will be coaching teams too.

Thank you! Where is all of this anti-MV stuff coming from? He's really good -- clear, honest, straightforward. My daughter appreciated him as a coach.

Because he’s accomplished nothing at this level and he isn’t a strong brand to attract players or college coaches.

MV had a whole age group quit on him and leave the club. That’s a huge red flag.

And they all ended up in much better situations.

This sums up MV in a nutshell. No real coaching or development. If it goes well, it’s because the team has talent and he’ll take credit. If it doesn’t, full spin cycle. He wasn’t the coach or it’s the players fault for sucking. He’ll claim victory for the 08s relative success. He’s not listed as the coach but he’s the coach in this case. 09s crash and burn, he’s not the coach. He’ll demand that he coaches the 08 at Union for a third year because good players overcome mediocre coaching. No real substance. I can confirm that they did not all end up in a much better situation.

By this argument, it means the strongest Union teams exist because of the talented (SYC) players and not due to the McLean coaching or player pool.

With re: to MV as a coach, I wasn't on the field and able to hear what he said during training. My daughter was, and she liked his coaching style. She was learning. She was improving. She was happy. That's all I cared about as a parent.

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Anonymous wrote:I would be shocked if MV got teams and 1 if anything...either he is an awful coach or he never had the players at BRAVE that allowed him to play his style

Then be prepared to be shocked. It’s a partnership - BRAVE players and families want MV. He will be coaching teams too.

Thank you! Where is all of this anti-MV stuff coming from? He's really good -- clear, honest, straightforward. My daughter appreciated him as a coach.

Because he’s accomplished nothing at this level and he isn’t a strong brand to attract players or college coaches.

MV had a whole age group quit on him and leave the club. That’s a huge red flag.

And they all ended up in much better situations.

This sums up MV in a nutshell. No real coaching or development. If it goes well, it’s because the team has talent and he’ll take credit. If it doesn’t, full spin cycle. He wasn’t the coach or it’s the players fault for sucking. He’ll claim victory for the 08s relative success. He’s not listed as the coach but he’s the coach in this case. 09s crash and burn, he’s not the coach. He’ll demand that he coaches the 08 at Union for a third year because good players overcome mediocre coaching. No real substance. I can confirm that they did not all end up in a much better situation.

By this argument, it means the strongest Union teams exist because of the talented (SYC) players and not due to the McLean coaching or player pool.

Now you are getting it!

That amazing SYC talent pipeline that was so critical to McLean's success has resulted in the following standings:
2011 -7th place
2010- 2nd place
2009- 7th place
2008- 7th place

Perhaps SYC folks believe SYC is better than it really is?

Exactly only the 2010 team has/had a majority of their roster come from SYC, the other three years are more balanced with that rich McLean talent pool

Hopefully those 10's come back to Springfield.

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Anonymous wrote:McLean’s Executive Director, LW, completely mismanaged this club while she lined her pockets from tournaments (Discovery) and collected awards. Once she was out maneuvered and Arlington was given ECNL, all these current events became inevitable. Every move since has been an attempt to only stay in power and protect her income.

Wouldn’t surprise me if she was removed after all of this although the BOD has been complicit in the mismanagement of the club over the years too.

https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/800015698

Nice chunk of change for a yearly salary.

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Anonymous wrote:I would be shocked if MV got teams and 1 if anything...either he is an awful coach or he never had the players at BRAVE that allowed him to play his style

Then be prepared to be shocked. It’s a partnership - BRAVE players and families want MV. He will be coaching teams too.

Thank you! Where is all of this anti-MV stuff coming from? He's really good -- clear, honest, straightforward. My daughter appreciated him as a coach.

Because he’s accomplished nothing at this level and he isn’t a strong brand to attract players or college coaches.

MV had a whole age group quit on him and leave the club. That’s a huge red flag.

And they all ended up in much better situations.

This sums up MV in a nutshell. No real coaching or development. If it goes well, it’s because the team has talent and he’ll take credit. If it doesn’t, full spin cycle. He wasn’t the coach or it’s the players fault for sucking. He’ll claim victory for the 08s relative success. He’s not listed as the coach but he’s the coach in this case. 09s crash and burn, he’s not the coach. He’ll demand that he coaches the 08 at Union for a third year because good players overcome mediocre coaching. No real substance. I can confirm that they did not all end up in a much better situation.

By this argument, it means the strongest Union teams exist because of the talented (SYC) players and not due to the McLean coaching or player pool.

With re: to MV as a coach, I wasn't on the field and able to hear what he said during training. My daughter was, and she liked his coaching style. She was learning. She was improving. She was happy. That's all I cared about as a parent.

Thanks MV. Good to see that you’re monitoring the forums.

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Anonymous wrote:McLean’s Executive Director, LW, completely mismanaged this club while she lined her pockets from tournaments (Discovery) and collected awards. Once she was out maneuvered and Arlington was given ECNL, all these current events became inevitable. Every move since has been an attempt to only stay in power and protect her income.

Wouldn’t surprise me if she was removed after all of this although the BOD has been complicit in the mismanagement of the club over the years too.

https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/800015698

Nice chunk of change for a yearly salary.

That's about right to run a non-profit org of this size in this area. But yes, this has been a debacle and heads should roll.