Did not get into Georgetown or Notre Dame. Now what?

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Anonymous wrote:Failure is not falling down but refusing to get back up.


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Anonymous wrote:The obvious: BC, Villanova, Santa Clara, safety Holy Cross. But you must have considered all these?

Holy Cross a safety? Hardly.

+1 Villanova is the safety on that list.


My 4.4/1520/500+ hours of community service kid (plus a million other ECs and such) got rejected from Villanova today. I wouldn't call it a safety.


Sorry to hear this, pp and op.

My college senior, after being rejected at Georgetown (my alma mater), went to St. Joe’s. There is a lot to be said for being a big fish in a little sea, rather than swimming with sharks.

There are many, many families with kids at both Villanova and SJU. Talk with them. My son has HS friends at Villanova and he’s even ridden the train home to DC with them on breaks.

The world is simply different today.[/b] I do wish they would limit the number of schools kids apply to[b], but I guess the schools might miss the cash and “selectivity” that comes with rejecting HS seniors.


The number of schools applied to has nothing to do with getting rejected, let's say at Georgetown. There are only a certain number of admission spots.
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Anonymous wrote:My kid is crushed. Trying to regroup. Ideas. Thoughts.


I'm so sorry! I hope your DC will be OK. Sending virtual encouragement. Really, once these schools have filled up slots with athletes, legacies, and children of donors, who they pick is very random, so they often overlook some truly amazing kids.

The other Catholic universities being recommended here sound like good choices. Santa Clara University, Creighton, the University of Portland (beautiful campus!), Gonzaga, and St. Louis might also be worth a look. I know some kids who went to Santa Clara and U of Portland, and they loved those schools. SCU is ranked as "one of the most ridiculously underrated schools in the nation" and is earning more recognition by the year.



HAHA how many posts until throwing shade at all the other excellent candidates for limited spots. Excellent students come in all shapes and sizes and bring something to the table - no school, not even Georgetown wants academic clones.


I was trying to reduce hurt rather than throwing shade, but there is no doubt that many truly outstanding candidates are rejected from selective schools, and it can be hard to understand why.


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Anonymous wrote:My kid is crushed. Trying to regroup. Ideas. Thoughts.


I'm so sorry! I hope your DC will be OK. Sending virtual encouragement. Really, once these schools have filled up slots with athletes, legacies, and children of donors, who they pick is very random, so they often overlook some truly amazing kids.

The other Catholic universities being recommended here sound like good choices. Santa Clara University, Creighton, the University of Portland (beautiful campus!), Gonzaga, and St. Louis might also be worth a look. I know some kids who went to Santa Clara and U of Portland, and they loved those schools. SCU is ranked as "one of the most ridiculously underrated schools in the nation" and is earning more recognition by the year.



HAHA how many posts until throwing shade at all the other excellent candidates for limited spots. Excellent students come in all shapes and sizes and bring something to the table - no school, not even Georgetown wants academic clones.


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Can we stop trying to disparage the schools you were not admitted to now?

Some of these parents sound like spoiled children. Let it go, for your child's sake.
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Anonymous wrote:The obvious: BC, Villanova, Santa Clara, safety Holy Cross. But you must have considered all these?

Holy Cross a safety? Hardly.

My kid is at a Jesuit high school where lots of kids go on to these colleges. Holy Cross accepts 100% of the kids who applied. The scattergram is literally filled with green circles. So that's what I based my recommendation on. Villanova is a much harder admit. Of course, I don't know OP's kid's info.


Are you guys talking about Holy Cross in Indiana near Notre Dame or College of the Holy Cross in Mass? The one in Mass is pretty hard to get into these days. The one in Indiana is not.


Acceptance rate at HC is around 40%
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Confused about why you are asking this now. Didn’t he apply elsewhere?
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Anonymous wrote:My kid is crushed. Trying to regroup. Ideas. Thoughts.


Oh goodie now he doesn’t have to go to college with maga idiots

He will be fine
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Anonymous wrote:Try St. Michael’s College—the Catholic component of the U of Toronto.


Which majors are open to students admitted to St. Michael's College of UT ?


When I was there it was all of them, I believe (I was a grad student, but that was my impression). The residential colleges serve as sort of a “homeroom”…it’s students’ residence & administrative base, but they can take classes elsewhere within the university. St. Michael’s has its own peaceful area in one corner of the large U of T campus, with lots of bars & restaurants just steps away.

I took several classes at “St. Mike’s” (as they call it). After class it was super easy to just continue classroom discussions at a bar, which was one of the most enjoyable parts of the experience there.

They don’t have bigtime sports, but there is so much else to do in Toronto that most kids wouldn’t miss sports. 19 year olds can drink alcohol in Ontario, so it’s good for kids who are mature & ready to act responsibly.
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Loyola New Orleans has a beautiful campus and New Orleans can't be beat location wise.
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Anonymous wrote:The obvious: BC, Villanova, Santa Clara, safety Holy Cross. But you must have considered all these?

Holy Cross a safety? Hardly.

My kid is at a Jesuit high school where lots of kids go on to these colleges. Holy Cross accepts 100% of the kids who applied. The scattergram is literally filled with green circles. So that's what I based my recommendation on. Villanova is a much harder admit. Of course, I don't know OP's kid's info.


Are you guys talking about Holy Cross in Indiana near Notre Dame or College of the Holy Cross in Mass? The one in Mass is pretty hard to get into these days. The one in Indiana is not.


Acceptance rate at HC is around 40%


That stat is misleading. HC is the type of school that doesn’t get kids just applying in large numbers. It is a particular type of kid. In this day and age pure admissions rates are out the window.

Look at common data set.

That said, if you think you kid was competitive to get into ND or GU, you should be fine.
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Anonymous wrote:My kid is crushed. Trying to regroup. Ideas. Thoughts.


I'm so sorry! I hope your DC will be OK. Sending virtual encouragement. Really, once these schools have filled up slots with athletes, legacies, and children of donors, who they pick is very random, so they often overlook some truly amazing kids.

The other Catholic universities being recommended here sound like good choices. Santa Clara University, Creighton, the University of Portland (beautiful campus!), Gonzaga, and St. Louis might also be worth a look. I know some kids who went to Santa Clara and U of Portland, and they loved those schools. SCU is ranked as "one of the most ridiculously underrated schools in the nation" and is earning more recognition by the year.



HAHA how many posts until throwing shade at all the other excellent candidates for limited spots. Excellent students come in all shapes and sizes and bring something to the table - no school, not even Georgetown wants academic clones.


I was trying to reduce hurt rather than throwing shade, but there is no doubt that many truly outstanding candidates are rejected from selective schools, and it can be hard to understand why.


+1


The why is inflated GPAs and TO
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Anonymous wrote:My kid is crushed. Trying to regroup. Ideas. Thoughts.


I posted in another group that one of my high school acquaintances left Penn State after sophomore year to transfer to Yale. That was surprising to me.

When a dream opportunity fails to materialize, it seems to me it's worth asking: 1) how else can I achieve/get something similar and 2) is it possible to try again?

If this is soul-crushing...what about a (working) gap year or transferring after a first year spent elsewhere.

Does it have to be a Catholic school?

I have a family member who attended Pitt undergrad and Georgetown grad. Try Pitt maybe?

True. A transfer wouldn't be for everyone, but for those absolutely set on these schools, it's something to consider. Don't forget to do service hours and demonstrate a Catholic identity in the year in between (assuming you are Catholic). Of course, odds are that he likes where he goes and is no longer interested in a transfer.


I am the PP who posted about the Yale transfer. I wanted to reflect a little more on OP's situation.

As I mentioned, my DH went to Georgetown for grad school. Decades ago. He lived with Georgetown undergrads in a ratty house just north of campus. Roommates were nice, but we detected absolutely no religious aspect to their school or personal lives. They were partiers. The grad school also had no religious content. So, I think it's quite possible to have a very secular experience at Georgetown. Also, my DH was from a LMC background and even then Georgetown definitely felt like a rich kid school. The grad program he attended was not well-run but he got a free ride. So, as a family we have mixed feelings about the school. We took our son to visit Georgetown, GWU, and AU and none of them clicked for him.

Now on to what I think is the main issue, which is that older sibling got in to these schools and younger sibling did not. This is the only issue which cannot be undone, so this is what I would be most careful about.

I like the idea of attending the school (whichever it is) that allows guaranteed transfer to Notre Dame. If that's truly the goal, then younger sibling would end up with the same accomplishment as older sibling, though by a slightly different route. A route that would demonstrate humility and determination which are both praiseworthy characteristics. Admissions officers like to see determination, compelling interest, etc.

In no way should anyone communicate to a child that they should be devastated by not getting into a school of choice. For middle class families with good health and stable incomes, that is unreasonable catastrophizing. Our economy and careers are frequently destabilizing. Learning to quickly plot and execute effective and satisfying responses to setbacks is critical for successful adults in our current economy.

I admire the OP for reaching out for help now so that OP can counsel the child on alternatives and strategies. But it is very important for the parent to be braver and calmer than the child. Especially given the older sibling's success. I would describe the outcome as "just dumb luck" if these were my children. Post-gaming the app, credentials, test scores, etc. will be saddening.

My family is banking a bit too much on one school to come through, but we also discussed backup plans before apps were even sent in.

I've never forgotten the example of that kid who left PSU for Yale. It reminds me that some barriers to entry are flimsier than we think. I assume he always wanted Ivy because I know that he and a group of friends from his senior class applied to Princeton and all were rejected. At the time, applying to an Ivy was quite an outlier situation for my high school. So, thanks to you, BigLaw Lee, for following your dream! I learned a lot from you just by being determination-adjacent! Maybe you or your wife are reading this board right now! 😀

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is crushed. Trying to regroup. Ideas. Thoughts.


I posted in another group that one of my high school acquaintances left Penn State after sophomore year to transfer to Yale. That was surprising to me.

When a dream opportunity fails to materialize, it seems to me it's worth asking: 1) how else can I achieve/get something similar and 2) is it possible to try again?

If this is soul-crushing...what about a (working) gap year or transferring after a first year spent elsewhere.

Does it have to be a Catholic school?

I have a family member who attended Pitt undergrad and Georgetown grad. Try Pitt maybe?

True. A transfer wouldn't be for everyone, but for those absolutely set on these schools, it's something to consider. Don't forget to do service hours and demonstrate a Catholic identity in the year in between (assuming you are Catholic). Of course, odds are that he likes where he goes and is no longer interested in a transfer.


I am the PP who posted about the Yale transfer. I wanted to reflect a little more on OP's situation.

As I mentioned, my DH went to Georgetown for grad school. Decades ago. He lived with Georgetown undergrads in a ratty house just north of campus. Roommates were nice, but we detected absolutely no religious aspect to their school or personal lives. They were partiers. The grad school also had no religious content. So, I think it's quite possible to have a very secular experience at Georgetown. Also, my DH was from a LMC background and even then Georgetown definitely felt like a rich kid school. The grad program he attended was not well-run but he got a free ride. So, as a family we have mixed feelings about the school. We took our son to visit Georgetown, GWU, and AU and none of them clicked for him.

Now on to what I think is the main issue, which is that older sibling got in to these schools and younger sibling did not. This is the only issue which cannot be undone, so this is what I would be most careful about.

I like the idea of attending the school (whichever it is) that allows guaranteed transfer to Notre Dame. If that's truly the goal, then younger sibling would end up with the same accomplishment as older sibling, though by a slightly different route. A route that would demonstrate humility and determination which are both praiseworthy characteristics. Admissions officers like to see determination, compelling interest, etc.

In no way should anyone communicate to a child that they should be devastated by not getting into a school of choice. For middle class families with good health and stable incomes, that is unreasonable catastrophizing. Our economy and careers are frequently destabilizing. Learning to quickly plot and execute effective and satisfying responses to setbacks is critical for successful adults in our current economy.

I admire the OP for reaching out for help now so that OP can counsel the child on alternatives and strategies. But it is very important for the parent to be braver and calmer than the child. Especially given the older sibling's success. I would describe the outcome as "just dumb luck" if these were my children. Post-gaming the app, credentials, test scores, etc. will be saddening.

My family is banking a bit too much on one school to come through, but we also discussed backup plans before apps were even sent in.

I've never forgotten the example of that kid who left PSU for Yale. It reminds me that some barriers to entry are flimsier than we think. I assume he always wanted Ivy because I know that he and a group of friends from his senior class applied to Princeton and all were rejected. At the time, applying to an Ivy was quite an outlier situation for my high school. So, thanks to you, BigLaw Lee, for following your dream! I learned a lot from you just by being determination-adjacent! Maybe you or your wife are reading this board right now! 😀




No one cares about your husband’s path decades ago.


Op, let your younger child do their own thing, probably a mistake to have them copy admissions strategy of sibling.
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Anonymous wrote:The obvious: BC, Villanova, Santa Clara, safety Holy Cross. But you must have considered all these?

Holy Cross a safety? Hardly.

My kid is at a Jesuit high school where lots of kids go on to these colleges. Holy Cross accepts 100% of the kids who applied. The scattergram is literally filled with green circles. So that's what I based my recommendation on. Villanova is a much harder admit. Of course, I don't know OP's kid's info.


Are you guys talking about Holy Cross in Indiana near Notre Dame or College of the Holy Cross in Mass? The one in Mass is pretty hard to get into these days. The one in Indiana is not.


Acceptance rate at HC is around 40%


That stat is misleading. HC is the type of school that doesn’t get kids just applying in large numbers. It is a particular type of kid. In this day and age pure admissions rates are out the window.

Look at common data set.

That said, if you think you kid was competitive to get into ND or GU, you should be fine.


Can you say more about Holy Cross? What type of students attend? What’s the vibe? We haven’t been able to visit it unfortunately.
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Anonymous wrote:The obvious: BC, Villanova, Santa Clara, safety Holy Cross. But you must have considered all these?

Holy Cross a safety? Hardly.

+1 Villanova is the safety on that list.


My 4.4/1520/500+ hours of community service kid (plus a million other ECs and such) got rejected from Villanova today. I wouldn't call it a safety.


Sorry to hear this, pp and op.

My college senior, after being rejected at Georgetown (my alma mater), went to St. Joe’s. There is a lot to be said for being a big fish in a little sea, rather than swimming with sharks.

There are many, many families with kids at both Villanova and SJU. Talk with them. My son has HS friends at Villanova and he’s even ridden the train home to DC with them on breaks.

The world is simply different today.[/b] I do wish they would limit the number of schools kids apply to, but I guess the schools might miss the cash and “selectivity” that comes with rejecting HS seniors.


[b]The number of schools applied to has nothing to do with getting rejected,
let's say at Georgetown. There are only a certain number of admission spots.


It does. Kids are blasting applications everywhere. In the 1980s, 1990s--you would apply to 4-5 colleges. Now kids are applying to all 8 Ivies, every top 10 and most of the top 25. So now these schools have close to 50,000-75,000 applicants. It does matter.

Test optional is an other reason these kids are now applying to so many schools too (minus Gtown of couse which isn't TO). A kid that had a 1200 SAT (which was like a 1080 back in the late 80s) would not bother applying to any Ivies--even with a 4.0. Now kids just don't send the scores and VIOLA! you get huge numbers. The screening/cutoff isn't there.
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