Did not get into Georgetown or Notre Dame. Now what?

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Anonymous wrote:I personally think that the Common App and TO was the worst thing to happen to college admissions, and that most schools should go the route that GU goes - require subject tests, their own app, require testing, etc.

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Even so- you can have a perfect standardize test score, 5s all APs…and solid/great everything else and still get deferred. It’s still holistic review.

“Holistic” review…honestly, given the surge in applications, I would bet dollars to doughnuts there are a bunch of twenty-something-year-old admissions counselors who just open apps, hit decline and move on. With very few exceptions, the admissions staff simply have not added enough staff to fairly and holistically review all 100,000 apps or whatever huge number schools get nowadays.

Yep. This definitely happens. Can you imagine---it's Friday afternoon.... you have 500 apps to go through. Or you just decline them all and start your weekend.

You are both wildly incorrect, thankfully.

How do you know that?

Personal experience.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe smaller Jesuit or Holy Cross schools with the idea of easier transfer as a sophomore/junior?

Jesuit - Fairfield, Fordham, Creighton, Loyola MD or Chicago
Holy Cross - Portland, Stonehill, St. Edward’s, Kings

Some of you are literally nuts. Why would a student with the qualifications to apply to ND and GU apply to Stonehill??!!! Literally 50 other schools they would apply to first.

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And drop all the Jesuit school ideas. Kids like Notre Dame for school spirit, campus, sports, quality of education, programs, and alumni network.

So other schools that offer an attractive residential experience, sports, and top academic programs are probably the best bet.

Ummm…the kids I know who go to Notre Dame are very devout Catholics, rather conservative, and definitely anti-abortion. If they did not get accepted by Notre Dame, they would look at other Catholic universities and colleges.

The kids I know are on the opposite end of that spectrum. These schools have a whole range of students. Knock it off with the stereotyping.

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Each GU thread has wildly inaccurate proclamations, usually by the same PP.

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University of San Diego?

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Anonymous wrote:Duke, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Boston College, Villanova, Holy Cross, U Virginia, WashUStL, Wake Forest University, Tufts, SMU.

Several LACs offer ED 2.

Davidson College in North Carolina.

OP: It's difficult to refocus after having one's heart set on two outstanding schools, but disappointment is a part of life that often leads one to a better place.

Largely agree save Duke, Northwestern. Why?

Because both Duke & Northwestern are application overlap schools for those who apply to Georgetown as well as for those who apply to Notre Dame.

Yes, a common list for this profile also includes UVA, USC and Stanford.

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I am not reading this whole thread, but, for anybody with a junior reading this, do not let your kid fall in love with 1 or 2 highly selective schools. There is going to be heartbreak.

I'd consider Villanova next. My guess is if they can't get into Notre Dame or GU, BC is probably also not going to happen.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not reading this whole thread, but, for anybody with a junior reading this, do not let your kid fall in love with 1 or 2 highly selective schools. There is going to be heartbreak.

I'd consider Villanova next. My guess is if they can't get into Notre Dame or GU, BC is probably also not going to happen.

BC is slightly easier than GU, having been through the process recently.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not reading this whole thread, but, for anybody with a junior reading this, do not let your kid fall in love with 1 or 2 highly selective schools. There is going to be heartbreak.

I'd consider Villanova next. My guess is if they can't get into Notre Dame or GU, BC is probably also not going to happen.

BC is slightly easier than GU, having been through the process recently.

especially for ED and ED2

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If you really want BC, early decision is almost required.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not reading this whole thread, but, for anybody with a junior reading this, do not let your kid fall in love with 1 or 2 highly selective schools. There is going to be heartbreak.

I'd consider Villanova next. My guess is if they can't get into Notre Dame or GU, BC is probably also not going to happen.

BC is slightly easier than GU, having been through the process recently.

I have been through this process twice since COVID. I think GU and BC are hard to predict and neither is an easier admit. It depends on how your kid is packaged and what they are bringing to the table.

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Anonymous wrote:If you really want BC, early decision is almost required.

This is the case with many schools - they just have too many applications to wade through, need to get admin organized earlier, and they want to fill their slots earlier rather than later.

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Anonymous wrote:The obvious: BC, Villanova, Santa Clara, safety Holy Cross. But you must have considered all these?

Holy Cross a safety? Hardly.

+1 Villanova is the safety on that list.

My 4.4/1520/500+ hours of community service kid (plus a million other ECs and such) got rejected from Villanova today. I wouldn't call it a safety.

Sorry to hear this, pp and op.

My college senior, after being rejected at Georgetown (my alma mater), went to St. Joe’s. There is a lot to be said for being a big fish in a little sea, rather than swimming with sharks.

There are many, many families with kids at both Villanova and SJU. Talk with them. My son has HS friends at Villanova and he’s even ridden the train home to DC with them on breaks.

The world is simply different today.[/b] I do wish they would limit the number of schools kids apply to, but I guess the schools might miss the cash and “selectivity” that comes with rejecting HS seniors.

[b]The number of schools applied to has nothing to do with getting rejected, let's say at Georgetown. There are only a certain number of admission spots.

It does. Kids are blasting applications everywhere. In the 1980s, 1990s--you would apply to 4-5 colleges. Now kids are applying to all 8 Ivies, every top 10 and most of the top 25. So now these schools have close to 50,000-75,000 applicants. It does matter.

Test optional is an other reason these kids are now applying to so many schools too (minus Gtown of couse which isn't TO). A kid that had a 1200 SAT (which was like a 1080 back in the late 80s) would not bother applying to any Ivies--even with a 4.0. Now kids just don't send the scores and VIOLA! you get huge numbers. The screening/cutoff isn't there.

It has adapted. With the deemphasized on test scores and other achievement metrics, the most accomplished applicants cannot be assumed to be the most deserving of admission. Rather than seeking students with the most distinguished academic records, a school might seek those who best represent the state from a demographic perspective or those that will benefit most from the curriculum.

Yeah, but I suspect that is changing as schools have learned that an A from Podunk HS is not the same as an A from other schools it may know better. Colleges and universities have had to invest millions in remedial classes and tutoring for “straight A” kids, TO, who were just passed through. It’s maddening. Then these kids, with excessive extra help, will graduate from top schools. Some will have flourished, learned how to study, worked hard and really be just as meritorious as the kids who went to top rated high schools and killed testing as well. But there will be others that just don’t measure up. That will become the employer’s problem. It’s really not fair. I expect to see more colleges and universities revoke TO, just as MIT did.

Who is it not fair to? Your child, or the students the schools accepted?

I’m the person who posted above. I wasn’t referring to my child or to the students the schools accepted. I think it is unfair to the kids who were not accepted who may have been more capable and to the future employers who get the duds. I mean, this has always happened - a few mistake admits slip through - but it’s become more prevalent with TO.

But you are basing this on the presumption that these kids are somehow better or more deserving than others. In college admissions and life in general, when it comes to competition - there will always be someone who thinks they "deserve" to be the right choice and others who earned it. So my point is, that the college admissions process is about creating the right balance for each class, each year. And it's not all about homogeneous academic superstars.

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Anonymous wrote:We toured Georgetown last Spring. Did the big group conference in the hall and then broke into groups for the campus tour.

My DS was literally 1 of 6 cis white males out of the entire group of about 100 prospects. The vast majority of the others were Asian and Indian males. Girls were barely represented.

He didn't even apply. He is high stats, his mom is an undegrad and grad school alum, and his grandfather taught there for two decades.

It isn't what it used to be.

You sound deeply prejudiced against non whites, yet claim that the school is "MAGA idiots" - which one is it?

I never said anything about MAGA and I never said anything derogatory about non whites. I offered factual observations.

You sound like you're racist aginst whites. Why is that?

The irony of 'protecting' Indian and Asian males. Like, I'm literally lmfao- those groups are the most misgynistic and racist group you could ever find on the entire planet. Their culture still celebrates arranged marriages and rape as punishment. GMAFB. White dudes from West Virginia are centuries more cultured than them.

It's very ignorant to lump Asians into a single group. An asian country like Japan is probably the most advanced country overall - economy, social stability, education level, crime rate, et. as a whole package. Other contries like Korea, Singapore, etc are also very advanced as well.

Japan is not the most advanced when it comes to gender roles. Their young girls need separate subways cars to avoid being molested on the way to school.
Businessmen practically work themselves to death, and then are somewhat obligated to drink heavily at clubs where they are served by compliant "hostesses."

I disagree with PP, however, who thinks that "Asia" is behind many Moslem countries when it comes to women's rights and treatment. India is quite unsafe though, for women. As is South Africa. The point is, it varies. And all of the countries that all into the major ethnic groupings should be not be painted with the same broad brush. You are right about that.

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Anonymous wrote:We toured Georgetown last Spring. Did the big group conference in the hall and then broke into groups for the campus tour.

My DS was literally 1 of 6 cis white males out of the entire group of about 100 prospects. The vast majority of the others were Asian and Indian males. Girls were barely represented.

He didn't even apply. He is high stats, his mom is an undegrad and grad school alum, and his grandfather taught there for two decades.

It isn't what it used to be.

You sound deeply prejudiced against non whites, yet claim that the school is "MAGA idiots" - which one is it?

I never said anything about MAGA and I never said anything derogatory about non whites. I offered factual observations.

You sound like you're racist aginst whites. Why is that?

The irony of 'protecting' Indian and Asian males. Like, I'm literally lmfao- those groups are the most misgynistic and racist group you could ever find on the entire planet. Their culture still celebrates arranged marriages and rape as punishment. GMAFB. White dudes from West Virginia are centuries more cultured than them.

It's very ignorant to lump Asians into a single group. An asian country like Japan is probably the most advanced country overall - economy, social stability, education level, crime rate, et. as a whole package. Other contries like Korea, Singapore, etc are also very advanced as well.

Japan is not the most advanced when it comes to gender roles. Their young girls need separate subways cars to avoid being molested on the way to school.
Businessmen practically work themselves to death, and then are somewhat obligated to drink heavily at clubs where they are served by compliant "hostesses."

I disagree with PP, however, who thinks that "Asia" is behind many Moslem countries when it comes to women's rights and treatment. India is quite unsafe though, for women. As is South Africa. The point is, it varies. And all of the countries that all into the major ethnic groupings should be not be painted with the same broad brush. You are right about that.

Rape rates by conntry
https://www.datapandas.org/ranking/rape-statistics-by-country

USA: 27
Japan: 1

Sweden is shocking at 63
I can kind of speculate why, but

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on paper, a kid who doesn't get into Georgetown isn't getting into BC.

but we've all seen weirder. I don't know of a single kid who has applied to 10 selective schools who can look back and say, yep, just I'd anyone would pencil this up.

my own kid was deferred ED last year from BC and went on to be accepted to nice schools, incl Princeton and Yale. (also .. ED, so not yield protection).

there are humans reading these apps. it's not linear. make a list of 8 or 10 or 12 schools with some safeties and let it play out. while it feels nice to be "done early", the truth is everyone is done by Dec 31 or Jan 15. The only difference is those kids then get to do the choosing come April

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Go somewhere besides G-town and ND.