Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?

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Anonymous wrote:We're research scientists with MDs and PhDs and NO, we personally know (or have heard of in our circle) absolutely zero PhDs or MDs who are vaccine-deniers.

My aunt, who has a high school diploma, became a raw vegan, and vaccine denier, decades ago. She died of Covid last year.
She was intelligent, but with a very contrarian, anti-establishment sort of personality. She felt the government was hiding things from her, the medical establishment was under the control of Big Pharma, etc. She lacked the critical thinking and scientific approach necessary to distinguish false experts from legitimate ones. Despite our efforts at providing information, she did not deviate from her beliefs, and died for them.

I think some human brains are just wired to find satisfaction in countering the established knowledge and power centers. They're people who feel stifled by the mundanity of their daily lives, and feel compelled to seek more exciting/grandiose explanations that place them in more central roles. Some may be twice exceptional (high IQ with ADHD/ASD/learning disabilities) who are underemployed and lack constructive outlets for their splinter skills.

It becomes Main Character Syndrome, in a way. The "I know better, you guys are just sheep" way of life. It boils down to a certain type of neurodivergence.

Yes, this! I follow the Herman Cain Awards on Reddit. It was astounding how most of them kept their delusional stance to the end, even from their hospital bed.

There is something terribly wrong with you.

[Anonymous]

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Amish reach herd immunity

https://www.fox29.com/news/amish-community-in-lancaster-county-reaches-herd-immunity-from-covid-19-medical-center-says.amp

The rest of society did too, with fewer excess deaths due to the help of vaccines.

Stop posting bullshit masquerading as insight.

Biden had more deaths with the vaccine than Trump did without it.

https://freebeacon.com/politics/biden-trump-covid-death-scandal/

[Anonymous]

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Amish reach herd immunity

https://www.fox29.com/news/amish-community-in-lancaster-county-reaches-herd-immunity-from-covid-19-medical-center-says.amp

The rest of society did too, with fewer excess deaths due to the help of vaccines.

Stop posting bullshit masquerading as insight.

Biden had more deaths with the vaccine than Trump did without it.

https://freebeacon.com/politics/biden-trump-covid-death-scandal/

You ... you know that Trump was elected in 2016, and that COVID just appeared in the US in March 2020, right? That it was a pandemic, which means it spread and built over time.

WTAF

[Anonymous]

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Amish reach herd immunity

https://www.fox29.com/news/amish-community-in-lancaster-county-reaches-herd-immunity-from-covid-19-medical-center-says.amp

The rest of society did too, with fewer excess deaths due to the help of vaccines.

Stop posting bullshit masquerading as insight.

Biden had more deaths with the vaccine than Trump did without it.

https://freebeacon.com/politics/biden-trump-covid-death-scandal/

You ... you know that Trump was elected in 2016, and that COVID just appeared in the US in March 2020, right? That it was a pandemic, which means it spread and built over time.

WTAF

Don't talk sense to them. It makes their brain hurt.

[Anonymous]

This thread has turned into a skeeball game of the nuttiest anti-vax conspiracy theories, myths, and favorite unprovable anecdotes being shot into the air like popcorn.

I think we have an answer to the thread title now. It's a flashing neon sign.

[Anonymous]

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Amish reach herd immunity

https://www.fox29.com/news/amish-community-in-lancaster-county-reaches-herd-immunity-from-covid-19-medical-center-says.amp

The rest of society did too, with fewer excess deaths due to the help of vaccines.

Stop posting bullshit masquerading as insight.

Biden had more deaths with the vaccine than Trump did without it.

https://freebeacon.com/politics/biden-trump-covid-death-scandal/

Free beacon LOL.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Amish reach herd immunity

https://www.fox29.com/news/amish-community-in-lancaster-county-reaches-herd-immunity-from-covid-19-medical-center-says.amp

The rest of society did too, with fewer excess deaths due to the help of vaccines.

Stop posting bullshit masquerading as insight.

Biden had more deaths with the vaccine than Trump did without it.

https://freebeacon.com/politics/biden-trump-covid-death-scandal/

You ... you know that Trump was elected in 2016, and that COVID just appeared in the US in March 2020, right? That it was a pandemic, which means it spread and built over time.

WTAF

Don't talk sense to them. It makes their brain hurt.

And certainly don’t use math. They might implode.

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Anonymous wrote:Which antivaxxers? There’s a difference between the people causing smallpox to come back, and people who aren’t doing covid boosters anymore.

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I am all for vaccines, but have not and will not get another Covid booster until it actually prevents illness and transmission.

So you don't get the flu shot either, I presume?

NP. The flu shot is actually really great at preventing transmission.

Plus, I don't get side effects from it. The covid vax will knock me out for 1-2 days, which is absurd. When I finally got covid 3 months ago, I was knocked out for 3 days (despite not having had a shot for 2 years). It's worth it to me to just get actual covid and skip the shots.

The flu shot, like the COVID shot, reduces transmission. It doesn't prevent it. (Reduction is an excellent reason to get either shot, but some people claim it's not worthwhile if transmission isn't prevented.)

That’s when they pick the correct strain(s) to include in the vaccine.

Why do people get so nutty about the covid vaccine? It’s so bizarre.

The covid vaccine is different than every other traditional vaccine. It’s an mRNA genetic vaccine that programs your cells into spike protein factories. There has also recently been DNA found in the covid vaccines. Traditional vaccines use weakened or dead viruses and have long term observation. No long term studies are even possible for this new genetic style treatment so many smart people aren’t getting them especially with their minimal effectiveness issues.

mRNA vaccines have been studied and used for decades.

Where are the double blind studies on long term effects of mRNA vaccines?

Answer… they don’t exist.

What about the nasty ones that turn your cells into factories flooding your bloodstream with spike protein.

Answer … there will never be one. Too scary.

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Anonymous wrote:Which antivaxxers? There’s a difference between the people causing smallpox to come back, and people who aren’t doing covid boosters anymore.

+1

I am all for vaccines, but have not and will not get another Covid booster until it actually prevents illness and transmission.

So you don't get the flu shot either, I presume?

NP. The flu shot is actually really great at preventing transmission.

Plus, I don't get side effects from it. The covid vax will knock me out for 1-2 days, which is absurd. When I finally got covid 3 months ago, I was knocked out for 3 days (despite not having had a shot for 2 years). It's worth it to me to just get actual covid and skip the shots.

The flu shot, like the COVID shot, reduces transmission. It doesn't prevent it. (Reduction is an excellent reason to get either shot, but some people claim it's not worthwhile if transmission isn't prevented.)

That’s when they pick the correct strain(s) to include in the vaccine.

Why do people get so nutty about the covid vaccine? It’s so bizarre.

The covid vaccine is different than every other traditional vaccine. It’s an mRNA genetic vaccine that programs your cells into spike protein factories. There has also recently been DNA found in the covid vaccines. Traditional vaccines use weakened or dead viruses and have long term observation. No long term studies are even possible for this new genetic style treatment so many smart people aren’t getting them especially with their minimal effectiveness issues.

mRNA vaccines have been studied and used for decades.

Where are the double blind studies on long term effects of mRNA vaccines?

Answer… they don’t exist.

What about the nasty ones that turn your cells into factories flooding your bloodstream with spike protein.

Answer … there will never be one. Too scary.

Oh, Jesus.

You are producing spike proteins anyway as part of your immune system response to COVID-19 encountered in your environment, even if you did not get the vaccine. Are you deliberately obtuse? Is this some kind of performance art where you mack anti-vaxxers by pretending to be one, and then spouting off the most stupid takes?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Which antivaxxers? There’s a difference between the people causing smallpox to come back, and people who aren’t doing covid boosters anymore.

+1

I am all for vaccines, but have not and will not get another Covid booster until it actually prevents illness and transmission.

So you don't get the flu shot either, I presume?

NP. The flu shot is actually really great at preventing transmission.

Plus, I don't get side effects from it. The covid vax will knock me out for 1-2 days, which is absurd. When I finally got covid 3 months ago, I was knocked out for 3 days (despite not having had a shot for 2 years). It's worth it to me to just get actual covid and skip the shots.

The flu shot, like the COVID shot, reduces transmission. It doesn't prevent it. (Reduction is an excellent reason to get either shot, but some people claim it's not worthwhile if transmission isn't prevented.)

That’s when they pick the correct strain(s) to include in the vaccine.

Why do people get so nutty about the covid vaccine? It’s so bizarre.

The covid vaccine is different than every other traditional vaccine. It’s an mRNA genetic vaccine that programs your cells into spike protein factories. There has also recently been DNA found in the covid vaccines. Traditional vaccines use weakened or dead viruses and have long term observation. No long term studies are even possible for this new genetic style treatment so many smart people aren’t getting them especially with their minimal effectiveness issues.

mRNA vaccines have been studied and used for decades.

Where are the double blind studies on long term effects of mRNA vaccines?

Answer… they don’t exist.

What about the nasty ones that turn your cells into factories flooding your bloodstream with spike protein.

Answer … there will never be one. Too scary.

Oh, Jesus.

You are producing spike proteins anyway as part of your immune system response to COVID-19 encountered in your environment, even if you did not get the vaccine. Are you deliberately obtuse? Is this some kind of performance art where you mack anti-vaxxers by pretending to be one, and then spouting off the most stupid takes?

Getting the mRNA and boosting is purposely flooding yourself covid over and over with spike protein.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Which antivaxxers? There’s a difference between the people causing smallpox to come back, and people who aren’t doing covid boosters anymore.

+1

I am all for vaccines, but have not and will not get another Covid booster until it actually prevents illness and transmission.

So you don't get the flu shot either, I presume?

NP. The flu shot is actually really great at preventing transmission.

Plus, I don't get side effects from it. The covid vax will knock me out for 1-2 days, which is absurd. When I finally got covid 3 months ago, I was knocked out for 3 days (despite not having had a shot for 2 years). It's worth it to me to just get actual covid and skip the shots.

The flu shot, like the COVID shot, reduces transmission. It doesn't prevent it. (Reduction is an excellent reason to get either shot, but some people claim it's not worthwhile if transmission isn't prevented.)

That’s when they pick the correct strain(s) to include in the vaccine.

Why do people get so nutty about the covid vaccine? It’s so bizarre.

The covid vaccine is different than every other traditional vaccine. It’s an mRNA genetic vaccine that programs your cells into spike protein factories. There has also recently been DNA found in the covid vaccines. Traditional vaccines use weakened or dead viruses and have long term observation. No long term studies are even possible for this new genetic style treatment so many smart people aren’t getting them especially with their minimal effectiveness issues.

mRNA vaccines have been studied and used for decades.

Where are the double blind studies on long term effects of mRNA vaccines?

Answer… they don’t exist.

What about the nasty ones that turn your cells into factories flooding your bloodstream with spike protein.

Answer … there will never be one. Too scary.

Oh, Jesus.

You are producing spike proteins anyway as part of your immune system response to COVID-19 encountered in your environment, even if you did not get the vaccine. Are you deliberately obtuse? Is this some kind of performance art where you mack anti-vaxxers by pretending to be one, and then spouting off the most stupid takes?

Getting the mRNA and boosting is purposely flooding yourself covid over and over with spike protein.

And then people get covid anyway after the shots and get flooded even more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Amish reach herd immunity

https://www.fox29.com/news/amish-community-in-lancaster-county-reaches-herd-immunity-from-covid-19-medical-center-says.amp

The rest of society did too, with fewer excess deaths due to the help of vaccines.

Stop posting bullshit masquerading as insight.

Biden had more deaths with the vaccine than Trump did without it.

https://freebeacon.com/politics/biden-trump-covid-death-scandal/

You ... you know that Trump was elected in 2016, and that COVID just appeared in the US in March 2020, right? That it was a pandemic, which means it spread and built over time.

WTAF

lol. The Free Beacon? What a joke. No wonder you think like you do, reading that bullshit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Or are there genuine Critical Thinkers among them?

Critical thinking was a key component to refusing an untested emergency vaccine, made with new technology.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We're research scientists with MDs and PhDs and NO, we personally know (or have heard of in our circle) absolutely zero PhDs or MDs who are vaccine-deniers.

My aunt, who has a high school diploma, became a raw vegan, and vaccine denier, decades ago. She died of Covid last year.
She was intelligent, but with a very contrarian, anti-establishment sort of personality. She felt the government was hiding things from her, the medical establishment was under the control of Big Pharma, etc. She lacked the critical thinking and scientific approach necessary to distinguish false experts from legitimate ones. Despite our efforts at providing information, she did not deviate from her beliefs, and died for them.

I think some human brains are just wired to find satisfaction in countering the established knowledge and power centers. They're people who feel stifled by the mundanity of their daily lives, and feel compelled to seek more exciting/grandiose explanations that place them in more central roles. Some may be twice exceptional (high IQ with ADHD/ASD/learning disabilities) who are underemployed and lack constructive outlets for their splinter skills.

It becomes Main Character Syndrome, in a way. The "I know better, you guys are just sheep" way of life. It boils down to a certain type of neurodivergence.

I think you and I have gone back and forth before, but if you don't understand that the medical establishment (especially federal agencies) is under the control (or at least massive influence) of Big Pharma, I don't think we can consider you an expert. - MPH

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Amish reach herd immunity

https://www.fox29.com/news/amish-community-in-lancaster-county-reaches-herd-immunity-from-covid-19-medical-center-says.amp

The rest of society did too, with fewer excess deaths due to the help of vaccines.

Stop posting bullshit masquerading as insight.

Biden had more deaths with the vaccine than Trump did without it.

https://freebeacon.com/politics/biden-trump-covid-death-scandal/

Gee, Biden's been president 3 years.

Covid occurred during Trump's last year in office.

Math isn't your strong suit, is it?