Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?

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Anonymous wrote:Speaking of contrarians, I'm in a hotel dining room having breakfast right now. There is a late middle aged woman wearing a mask. She takes it off to eat, leisurely, at a table closely surrounded by other tables filled with people. She puts the mask back on to go back to the buffet for coffee or a second helping, despite that the food area is far less busy than the dining area.

To me that is paranoid. Not the people refusing to get vaccinated.

The difference being that, if she's wrong, she's not hurting anyone. If the anti-vaxxers are wrong, they're unnecessarily putting others at risk.

If the anti-vaxxers were wrong, no one would need a mask anyway because their vaccine would have protected them.

+100

Every vaccine for a contagious disease relies on herd immunity for effectiveness. Every single one.

Name any one that doesn't.

It is so nice that there are millions idiots who sacrificed their health in order to create herd immunity so us unvaccinated people can live a safe lives.

[Anonymous]

I lost friends over this subject. They have masters degrees (one in the arts, one in psychology) but not a lot of regular real world smarts. They're the type of people who don't understand that intelligent people know what they don't know. They're the type of people who think anyone who doesn't agree with them is an idiot. Educated but not intelligent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We're research scientists with MDs and PhDs and NO, we personally know (or have heard of in our circle) absolutely zero PhDs or MDs who are vaccine-deniers.

My aunt, who has a high school diploma, became a raw vegan, and vaccine denier, decades ago. She died of Covid last year.
She was intelligent, but with a very contrarian, anti-establishment sort of personality. She felt the government was hiding things from her, the medical establishment was under the control of Big Pharma, etc. She lacked the critical thinking and scientific approach necessary to distinguish false experts from legitimate ones. Despite our efforts at providing information, she did not deviate from her beliefs, and died for them.

I think some human brains are just wired to find satisfaction in countering the established knowledge and power centers. They're people who feel stifled by the mundanity of their daily lives, and feel compelled to seek more exciting/grandiose explanations that place them in more central roles. Some may be twice exceptional (high IQ with ADHD/ASD/learning disabilities) who are underemployed and lack constructive outlets for their splinter skills.

It becomes Main Character Syndrome, in a way. The "I know better, you guys are just sheep" way of life. It boils down to a certain type of neurodivergence.

Some of these people, I think many, are mentally ill. My brother is an antivaxxer and subscribes to many conspiracy theories. But he went to Stanford and earned his MBA at a top 10 program. He is most likely bipolar but never diagnosed and has very fixed false beliefs/delusions. Many of these delusions he caught on the internet. He reads widely and has a high IQ… it’s very frustrating but there you have it. I think he’s dead wrong.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If it's unconstitutional, then sue. Otherwise this is just more for stomping and baby crying.

There you go again changing the topic. The only one stomping and baby crying is you because you fail at making a legitimate argument to defend your totalitarianism.

Tell me more about the dirty, dirty masks and how scary they are.

And again and again, you keep changing the subject. Let’s assume masks are the holy grail of medical health. The federal government should not have the right to compel people to wear them so that they can keep their long held private sector jobs.

QUESTION: Why do you keep defending this unnecessary FEDERAL intrusion on other people’s basic rights in their PRIVATE SECTOR jobs for a disease that amounted to a bad cold for the vast majority of people?

If you’re not going to answer that specific question, please stop harassing me with your asinine attempts at diverting the topic.

I mean, I would if you posted a question that makes sense. Yours rests on such spurious assumptions that it's more along the lines of a wife-beating question.

I don't see the point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If it's unconstitutional, then sue. Otherwise this is just more for stomping and baby crying.

There you go again changing the topic. The only one stomping and baby crying is you because you fail at making a legitimate argument to defend your totalitarianism.

Tell me more about the dirty, dirty masks and how scary they are.

And again and again, you keep changing the subject. Let’s assume masks are the holy grail of medical health. The federal government should not have the right to compel people to wear them so that they can keep their long held private sector jobs.

QUESTION: Why do you keep defending this unnecessary FEDERAL intrusion on other people’s basic rights in their PRIVATE SECTOR jobs for a disease that amounted to a bad cold for the vast majority of people?

If you’re not going to answer that specific question, please stop harassing me with your asinine attempts at diverting the topic.

I mean, I would if you posted a question that makes sense. Yours rests on such spurious assumptions that it's more along the lines of a wife-beating question.

I don't see the point.

Wife-beating!?! What does domestic violence have to do with my very simple, easy to understand, basic question?

And why do you keep trying to change the topic? Can you at least answer that?

I have repeatedly posted a very simple question in plain English, that the typical 5th grader would easily understand (at least before they were forced out of schools by lockdowns). Instead of answering it, you insult me and keep bringing up random issues that have nothing to do with it.

Let’s make it even simpler, since you have reading comprehension issues, and leave Covid out of it: Why do you think a central authority like the federal government has the right to impose mask mandates (and or any dress code) on the private sector?

Can you you answer that? Or do you need me to break it down to the toddler level and talk about blocks or something?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Speaking of contrarians, I'm in a hotel dining room having breakfast right now. There is a late middle aged woman wearing a mask. She takes it off to eat, leisurely, at a table closely surrounded by other tables filled with people. She puts the mask back on to go back to the buffet for coffee or a second helping, despite that the food area is far less busy than the dining area.

To me that is paranoid. Not the people refusing to get vaccinated.

The difference being that, if she's wrong, she's not hurting anyone. If the anti-vaxxers are wrong, they're unnecessarily putting others at risk.

If the anti-vaxxers were wrong, no one would need a mask anyway because their vaccine would have protected them.

+100

Every vaccine for a contagious disease relies on herd immunity for effectiveness. Every single one.

Name any one that doesn't.

It is so nice that there are millions idiots who sacrificed their health in order to create herd immunity so us unvaccinated people can live a safe lives.

Lol

[Anonymous]

Let me allow that post to stand on its own, in all its tarnished glory.

[Anonymous]

(Now PP is going to get all excited that I'm posting about flags or something. Exciting.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:(Now PP is going to get all excited that I'm posting about flags or something. Exciting.)

NP. I’m also drinking tonight

[Anonymous]

They should finally do a large randomized controlled trials for the vaccines to show mortality benefit.

[Anonymous]

Yes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We're research scientists with MDs and PhDs and NO, we personally know (or have heard of in our circle) absolutely zero PhDs or MDs who are vaccine-deniers.

My aunt, who has a high school diploma, became a raw vegan, and vaccine denier, decades ago. She died of Covid last year.
She was intelligent, but with a very contrarian, anti-establishment sort of personality. She felt the government was hiding things from her, the medical establishment was under the control of Big Pharma, etc. She lacked the critical thinking and scientific approach necessary to distinguish false experts from legitimate ones. Despite our efforts at providing information, she did not deviate from her beliefs, and died for them.

I think some human brains are just wired to find satisfaction in countering the established knowledge and power centers. They're people who feel stifled by the mundanity of their daily lives, and feel compelled to seek more exciting/grandiose explanations that place them in more central roles. Some may be twice exceptional (high IQ with ADHD/ASD/learning disabilities) who are underemployed and lack constructive outlets for their splinter skills.

It becomes Main Character Syndrome, in a way. The "I know better, you guys are just sheep" way of life. It boils down to a certain type of neurodivergence.

+1000

[Anonymous]

We have done every vaccine, flu shot, and covid vaccine, with the exception of this year's covid booster shots.

[Anonymous]

They're lunatics who can't be reasoned with.