Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
The Amish did zero cdc recommendations. No masks, no social distancing, no lockdowns, no mRNA vax.

They had no worse excess death than the public areas that did all of it.

Of course “science” isn’t studying it. It’s just too embarrassing.

One reason stupid people fall victim to bullshit is people like pp state lies as fact.

There were actually many excess deaths in the Amish and Mennonite communities. Thee results were significant, actually.

https://wvutoday.wvu.edu/stories/2021/06/22/death-and-religion-excess-deaths-sweep-through-amish-and-mennonite-communities-during-covid-19-pandemic

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8195242/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
The Amish did zero cdc recommendations. No masks, no social distancing, no lockdowns, no mRNA vax.

They had no worse excess death than the public areas that did all of it.

Of course “science” isn’t studying it. It’s just too embarrassing.

They were already in a bubble.

They caught it practically on purpose with tight group meetings and sharing cups. They went the herd immunity route and it pretty much worked.

They did have excess deaths.

https://wvutoday.wvu.edu/stories/2021/06/22/death-and-religion-excess-deaths-sweep-through-amish-and-mennonite-communities-during-covid-19-pandemic

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Which antivaxxers? There’s a difference between the people causing smallpox to come back, and people who aren’t doing covid boosters anymore.

+1

I am all for vaccines, but have not and will not get another Covid booster until it actually prevents illness and transmission.

So you don't get the flu shot either, I presume?

NP. The flu shot is actually really great at preventing transmission.

Plus, I don't get side effects from it. The covid vax will knock me out for 1-2 days, which is absurd. When I finally got covid 3 months ago, I was knocked out for 3 days (despite not having had a shot for 2 years). It's worth it to me to just get actual covid and skip the shots.

The flu shot, like the COVID shot, reduces transmission. It doesn't prevent it. (Reduction is an excellent reason to get either shot, but some people claim it's not worthwhile if transmission isn't prevented.)

That’s when they pick the correct strain(s) to include in the vaccine.

Why do people get so nutty about the covid vaccine? It’s so bizarre.

The covid vaccine is different than every other traditional vaccine. It’s an mRNA genetic vaccine that programs your cells into spike protein factories. There has also recently been DNA found in the covid vaccines. Traditional vaccines use weakened or dead viruses and have long term observation. No long term studies are even possible for this new genetic style treatment so many smart people aren’t getting them especially with their minimal effectiveness issues.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
The Amish did zero cdc recommendations. No masks, no social distancing, no lockdowns, no mRNA vax.

They had no worse excess death than the public areas that did all of it.

Of course “science” isn’t studying it. It’s just too embarrassing.

One reason stupid people fall victim to bullshit is people like pp state lies as fact.

There were actually many excess deaths in the Amish and Mennonite communities. Thee results were significant, actually.

https://wvutoday.wvu.edu/stories/2021/06/22/death-and-religion-excess-deaths-sweep-through-amish-and-mennonite-communities-during-covid-19-pandemic

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8195242/

Haha. Just posted the same thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The Amish did zero cdc recommendations. No masks, no social distancing, no lockdowns, no mRNA vax.

They had no worse excess death than the public areas that did all of it.

Of course “science” isn’t studying it. It’s just too embarrassing.

One reason stupid people fall victim to bullshit is people like pp state lies as fact.

There were actually many excess deaths in the Amish and Mennonite communities. Thee results were significant, actually.

https://wvutoday.wvu.edu/stories/2021/06/22/death-and-religion-excess-deaths-sweep-through-amish-and-mennonite-communities-during-covid-19-pandemic

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8195242/

Haha. Just posted the same thing.

No more than the general public.

[Anonymous]

Amish reach herd immunity

https://www.fox29.com/news/amish-community-in-lancaster-county-reaches-herd-immunity-from-covid-19-medical-center-says.amp

[Anonymous]

And they didn’t shut down. Which probably caused many Americans to die from not going to the hospital or getting treatment for other diseases. Plus education wasn’t destroyed.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9411549/amp/Amish-community-United-States-achieve-herd-immunity-Covid.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We're research scientists with MDs and PhDs and NO, we personally know (or have heard of in our circle) absolutely zero PhDs or MDs who are vaccine-deniers.

My aunt, who has a high school diploma, became a raw vegan, and vaccine denier, decades ago. She died of Covid last year.
She was intelligent, but with a very contrarian, anti-establishment sort of personality. She felt the government was hiding things from her, the medical establishment was under the control of Big Pharma, etc. She lacked the critical thinking and scientific approach necessary to distinguish false experts from legitimate ones. Despite our efforts at providing information, she did not deviate from her beliefs, and died for them.

I think some human brains are just wired to find satisfaction in countering the established knowledge and power centers. They're people who feel stifled by the mundanity of their daily lives, and feel compelled to seek more exciting/grandiose explanations that place them in more central roles. Some may be twice exceptional (high IQ with ADHD/ASD/learning disabilities) who are underemployed and lack constructive outlets for their splinter skills.

It becomes Main Character Syndrome, in a way. The "I know better, you guys are just sheep" way of life. It boils down to a certain type of neurodivergence.

Yes, this! I follow the Herman Cain Awards on Reddit. It was astounding how most of them kept their delusional stance to the end, even from their hospital bed.

[Anonymous]

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Amish reach herd immunity

https://www.fox29.com/news/amish-community-in-lancaster-county-reaches-herd-immunity-from-covid-19-medical-center-says.amp

The rest of society did too, with fewer excess deaths due to the help of vaccines.

Stop posting bullshit masquerading as insight.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The Amish did zero cdc recommendations. No masks, no social distancing, no lockdowns, no mRNA vax.

They had no worse excess death than the public areas that did all of it.

Of course “science” isn’t studying it. It’s just too embarrassing.

One reason stupid people fall victim to bullshit is people like pp state lies as fact.

There were actually many excess deaths in the Amish and Mennonite communities. Thee results were significant, actually.

https://wvutoday.wvu.edu/stories/2021/06/22/death-and-religion-excess-deaths-sweep-through-amish-and-mennonite-communities-during-covid-19-pandemic

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8195242/

Haha. Just posted the same thing.

No more than the general public.

The Amish suffered “significantly” more excessive deaths than the general public, pp. Try to keep up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Which antivaxxers? There’s a difference between the people causing smallpox to come back, and people who aren’t doing covid boosters anymore.

+1

I am all for vaccines, but have not and will not get another Covid booster until it actually prevents illness and transmission.

So you don't get the flu shot either, I presume?

NP. The flu shot is actually really great at preventing transmission.

Plus, I don't get side effects from it. The covid vax will knock me out for 1-2 days, which is absurd. When I finally got covid 3 months ago, I was knocked out for 3 days (despite not having had a shot for 2 years). It's worth it to me to just get actual covid and skip the shots.

The flu shot, like the COVID shot, reduces transmission. It doesn't prevent it. (Reduction is an excellent reason to get either shot, but some people claim it's not worthwhile if transmission isn't prevented.)

That’s when they pick the correct strain(s) to include in the vaccine.

Why do people get so nutty about the covid vaccine? It’s so bizarre.

The covid vaccine is different than every other traditional vaccine. It’s an mRNA genetic vaccine that programs your cells into spike protein factories. There has also recently been DNA found in the covid vaccines. Traditional vaccines use weakened or dead viruses and have long term observation. No long term studies are even possible for this new genetic style treatment so many smart people aren’t getting them especially with their minimal effectiveness issues.

mRNA vaccines have been studied and used for decades.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The Amish did zero cdc recommendations. No masks, no social distancing, no lockdowns, no mRNA vax.

They had no worse excess death than the public areas that did all of it.

Of course “science” isn’t studying it. It’s just too embarrassing.

They were already in a bubble.

They caught it practically on purpose with tight group meetings and sharing cups. They went the herd immunity route and it pretty much worked.

How do you know this? Name one actual scientific study the Amish voluntarily participated in. (They didn't. They are closed communities that reject science, modernization, and "the English.")

What research you have out there is assessments of public records of deaths (e.g., obituaries) and the like. It's not the full story, and it still showed excess deaths.

[Anonymous]

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No way in H E double toothpicks we’re the Amish going to let their kin die in a hospital where they couldn’t visit them and surround them with love.

Do you know the known rate of child physical and sexual abuse in Amish communities? The known rate, not even the real rate?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Amish reach herd immunity

https://www.fox29.com/news/amish-community-in-lancaster-county-reaches-herd-immunity-from-covid-19-medical-center-says.amp

The actual title on that page: Amish community ravaged by pandemic reaches herd immunity, experts say

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Spike protein is nasty for your body. Makes no sense to turn your cells into spike protein factories on purpose over and over with boosters.

What do you think happens when you get COVID, or when you are re-exposed to it and any immunity you have kicks in? You "turn your cells into spike protein factories."

This is the dumbest take of all.