Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?

Anonymous
Life is about probabilities not certainties.

I think I'm a reasonably intelligent person but I'm not arrogant enough to think I know as much as the experts in science and medicine. So I do try to listen to serious, credentialed experts, not Jimmy Dore or RFK Jr. or some fringe doctors on Youtube like Dr. John Campbell.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Life is about probabilities not certainties.

I think I'm a reasonably intelligent person but I'm not arrogant enough to think I know as much as the experts in science and medicine. So I do try to listen to serious, credentialed experts, not Jimmy Dore or RFK Jr. or some fringe doctors on Youtube like Dr. John Campbell.


You mean Dr. John Campbell, the nurse?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Life is about probabilities not certainties.

I think I'm a reasonably intelligent person but I'm not arrogant enough to think I know as much as the experts in science and medicine. So I do try to listen to serious, credentialed experts, not Jimmy Dore or RFK Jr. or some fringe doctors on Youtube like Dr. John Campbell.


You mean Dr. John Campbell, the nurse?


Any relation to "Joe" the "Plumber" (neither "Joe" nor "plumber!")
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Life is about probabilities not certainties.

I think I'm a reasonably intelligent person but I'm not arrogant enough to think I know as much as the experts in science and medicine. So I do try to listen to serious, credentialed experts, not Jimmy Dore or RFK Jr. or some fringe doctors on Youtube like Dr. John Campbell.


You mean Dr. John Campbell, the nurse?


Any relation to "Joe" the "Plumber" (neither "Joe" nor "plumber!")


He has a doctorate as a nurse, I believe in nursing education.

But why would you want to clarify you have an education degree (not a medical degree) while offering medical advice online? Surely that isn't relevant, and it should not at all raise a little red flag about his intentions.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Life is about probabilities not certainties.

I think I'm a reasonably intelligent person but I'm not arrogant enough to think I know as much as the experts in science and medicine. So I do try to listen to serious, credentialed experts, not Jimmy Dore or RFK Jr. or some fringe doctors on Youtube like Dr. John Campbell.


You mean Dr. John Campbell, the nurse?


Any relation to "Joe" the "Plumber" (neither "Joe" nor "plumber!")


He has a doctorate as a nurse, I believe in nursing education.

But why would you want to clarify you have an education degree (not a medical degree) while offering medical advice online? Surely that isn't relevant, and it should not at all raise a little red flag about his intentions.


Shades of Dr. Laura.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I SO relate to the point about main character syndrome


But... when it comes to one's own health, you are the main character.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I SO relate to the point about main character syndrome


But... when it comes to one's own health, you are the main character.


In one life. Yours. In the nearly 8 billion other lives, you are a side character, if that.

Being the main character of your own life is a given, and it's fine -- but that isn't main character syndrome. MCS is when you act as if you are the main character in everyone's life.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Which antivaxxers? There’s a difference between the people causing smallpox to come back, and people who aren’t doing covid boosters anymore.


+1

I am all for vaccines, but have not and will not get another Covid booster until it actually prevents illness and transmission.


You’re an anti-vaxxer.
Anonymous
When the state becomes involved with coercing people into injections or threatening individuals livelihood unless they take an injection, that’s where it crosses the line.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:When the state becomes involved with coercing people into injections or threatening individuals livelihood unless they take an injection, that’s where it crosses the line.


Like when DTaP was mandated for school attendance in person, many decades ago?

Or was it when George Washington, in his presidential capacity, compelled smallpox vaccination for those working as soldiers in 1777?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:When the state becomes involved with coercing people into injections or threatening individuals livelihood unless they take an injection, that’s where it crosses the line.


The State implements a lot of coercive regulations when it comes to public health. There is nothing special about this one other than it's new and, for various reasons, people decided to make opposition to COVID vaccination a personality trait. If I shit in the salad bar, nobody questions the coercive power of the state to make me stop. But if I shed viruses all over the workplace, suddenly any effort to reduce my impact on other citizens is tyranny.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Pretty much everybody is rejecting the boosters so no matter how people front and can’t admit it… everybody is skeptical at this point.


"Rejecting" is an interesting way to spell "too lazy to bother."


Not much of a “pandemic” if people are “too lazy” to avoid it.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Pretty much everybody is rejecting the boosters so no matter how people front and can’t admit it… everybody is skeptical at this point.


"Rejecting" is an interesting way to spell "too lazy to bother."


Not much of a “pandemic” if people are “too lazy” to avoid it.


DP. And the great part is that the more you cast aspersions on people making decisions in the middle of chaos, the more chance you have to ensure people don't take it seriously.

Another ten threads and maybe you can really change a mind or two. I believe in you.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Pretty much everybody is rejecting the boosters so no matter how people front and can’t admit it… everybody is skeptical at this point.


"Rejecting" is an interesting way to spell "too lazy to bother."


Not much of a “pandemic” if people are “too lazy” to avoid it.


Your confidence in people's ability to assess risk is misplaced. I'm old enough to remember people being more afraid of terrorism than of getting in a car.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Which antivaxxers? There’s a difference between the people causing smallpox to come back, and people who aren’t doing covid boosters anymore.


+1

I am all for vaccines, but have not and will not get another Covid booster until it actually prevents illness and transmission.



......I mean, the vaccines do reduce the risk of illness and transmission? They just don't do it forever, and don't bring the risk down to 0.

I agree 100% that what the vaccines could do were oversold. People thought they would be 95% effective at preventing disease transmission for a long time, and they were not. But that is not the same as them being useless at preventing illness and transmission.
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