Woman charged with felony for having a stillbirth

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Anonymous wrote:PS, since we are talking weights and sizes:

That infant I know of who delivered at 23 weeks was a pound almost exactly, which is the average size for that gestational age. or the weight of an average papaya. The infant fit well into the palm of my hand.

An average 20 week fetus is about 2/3 of a pound.

That’s for fetus that is viable. Do you know the size of non-viable fetuses? Do you know the difference between a fetus that has no brain and one that does? Do you know the difference of size and weight of a fetus that doesn’t have all its organs?

Power down. I'm not arguing against you.

And yes, I do, because I am a doctor that deals with miscarriages, stillbirths, and fetal defects at many different ages of gestation.

Tell us all what the proper disposal is of a 22 week old stillbirth born on a toilet so this never happens again. Call for help? Let them come remove the baby?

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The report states the child’s corpse showed signs of injury.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t “don’t flush a corpse” common knowledge? I mean it’s not a goldfish it’s a human.

My “common knowledge “ doesn’t cover miscarriages or stillbirths outside of a hospital setting.
Since yours apparently does, please describe, in as detailed a way as you can manage, what exactly “common knowledge “ would have someone do in this situation.

I would probably call 911 and ask for help, and follow their instructions. But I get that after going through something traumatic and being turned away from from the hospital, the poor woman was in shock, and didn’t know what to do.

Really, common sense doesn’t tell you not to add a dead baby to the public water supply? It was apparently large enough that she tried plunging it and it didn’t go down so we’re not talking about just a large glob of cells…

Everyone flushes their miscarriage if it happens at home.

Do you think there is a clear toilet bowl so you can see what came out? You’re talking about a bowl of blood with something under it invisible to the eye.

Why didn’t a doctor extract the non viable fetus to avoid a catastrophic episode in this persons life like a normal stillborn/miscarriage?

Um, a 22-week fetus is a baby. It looks exactly like a baby. I held my 20-week old babies in my arms for an hour while they lived and breathed. You people who think they are a "glob of cells" are complete idiots.

I miscarried a 14 week fetus into a toilet and can tell you that fishing those remnants out of the water to put into a bag and bring to the doctor was about the most traumatizing thing I’ve ever experienced.

Sounds like you experienced your loss in a clean hospital setting where you gave birth in a bed and someone cleaned off your babies before putting them into your arms.

I’m sorry for your loss and experience and I’m sorry for this other woman’s loss and experience.

Please understand that your experience is not universal.

Big big difference between 14 weeks and 22 weeks. Learn biology.

And have you ever passed a 2nd trimester fetus into a toilet, sac and all, and had to reach in to dig it out the bloody remains to put into a container, all by yourself while writhing in pain and bleeding all over the place?

That's not what happened. It was the indifference to the corpse that is the crime: "“The issue isn’t how the child died, when the child died — it’s the fact that the baby was put into a toilet, large enough to clog up a toilet, left in that toilet and she went on [with] her day,” said Warren assistance prosecutor Lewis Guarnieri."

jfc. we really ARE at the point of prosecuting women for miscarriages and stillbirths..

be careful having your period in Ohio ladies - you could be engaging in a felony by flushing the tampon

What a wild exaggeration to fit your agenda PP. :roll:

she is literally being prosecuted for flushing the results of a miscarriage. at what point are women in Ohio allowed to flush? tell us please.

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Anonymous wrote:The report states the child’s corpse showed signs of injury.

no sh*t. the baby died in utero and may have had a congenital defect. do you know what happens to dead fetuses in utero? they start to disintegrate.

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Anonymous wrote:The report states the child’s corpse showed signs of injury.

What is your point? It was already dead and she tried to flush it, of course the corpse got banged up.

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Anonymous wrote:That poor woman. She was probably in shock.

So shocked she went on about her day and later tried to plunge the clogged toilet? They told her twice her baby wasn't viable at the hospital.

Unless they told her something else to do with the body, what else was she supposed to do? Fish it out of the toilet and bury it in her back yard? Call a funeral home? She probably didn’t even know how big it was or want to look.

There’s a reason that women in her position used to be offered therepeutic abortions - to spare them the trauma of having to deal with delivering a stillbirth. But Ohio outlawed this, so this is what happened.

Call for help.

Nice try though trying to blame this on an entire state.

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Normally I don’t engage in this kind of hyperbole, but between this story and the harassment of the Indiana doctor who provided the abortion for the 10 yr old Ohio girl, I think I would not travel to Ohio if pregnant.

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Anonymous wrote:The report states the child’s corpse showed signs of injury.

The article says, "Forensic pathologist Dr. George Sterbenz testified an autopsy found no injury to the fetus, and that the unborn fetus had died before passing through the birth canal. He said Watts’ medical records showed she visited the hospital twice before the delivery."

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Anonymous wrote:Don't we all keep a toilet colander and silk lined tiny coffin at hand when doctors refuse us treatment and we're too poor to travel for better health care access? More than one woman had a similar experience in this thread, how many countless white women will have this experience and be treated with compassion versus this poor woman becoming a prosecution scape goat?

You guys are amazing making up lies on this thread. She went to the hospital twice was told both times it was not viable and she did nothing about it.

You changing the story here to fit your agenda is priceless. Anyone with a brain see right though all these posts.

You PP are a real piece of work. "Don't we all keep a toilet colander and silk lined tiny coffin at hand when doctors refuse us" REALLY, REALLY MENTALLY SICK.

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Anonymous wrote:That poor woman. She was probably in shock.

So shocked she went on about her day and later tried to plunge the clogged toilet? They told her twice her baby wasn't viable at the hospital.

Unless they told her something else to do with the body, what else was she supposed to do? Fish it out of the toilet and bury it in her back yard? Call a funeral home? She probably didn’t even know how big it was or want to look.

There’s a reason that women in her position used to be offered therepeutic abortions - to spare them the trauma of having to deal with delivering a stillbirth. But Ohio outlawed this, so this is what happened.

Call for help.

Nice try though trying to blame this on an entire state.

Well the last time she tried to get help at the hospital she got sent home. So maybe she felt like she was basically supposed to handle this alone. And it’s not like she was in a physically and mentally great condition.

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Anonymous wrote:That poor woman. She was probably in shock.

So shocked she went on about her day and later tried to plunge the clogged toilet? They told her twice her baby wasn't viable at the hospital.

Unless they told her something else to do with the body, what else was she supposed to do? Fish it out of the toilet and bury it in her back yard? Call a funeral home? She probably didn’t even know how big it was or want to look.

There’s a reason that women in her position used to be offered therepeutic abortions - to spare them the trauma of having to deal with delivering a stillbirth. But Ohio outlawed this, so this is what happened.

Call for help.

Nice try though trying to blame this on an entire state.

the state absolutely is responsible. the woman should have been given a therepeutic abortion in a hospital as soon as it was known the pregnancy was not viable, but Ohio made this illegal. The whole point of therepeutic abortions in this scenario is to reduce risk & trauma to the woman. Instead this woman was completely abandoned to deal with it on her own. (Not mentioned here is that assuming it was premature rupture of the membranes her health was also at risk by being turned away from appropriate medical care.)

and of course it is the state of Ohio that unbelievably decided to *prosecute her* even knowing that there was no question that this was a bona fide stillbirth.

100% on the state of Ohio here.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't we all keep a toilet colander and silk lined tiny coffin at hand when doctors refuse us treatment and we're too poor to travel for better health care access? More than one woman had a similar experience in this thread, how many countless white women will have this experience and be treated with compassion versus this poor woman becoming a prosecution scape goat?

You guys are amazing making up lies on this thread. She went to the hospital twice was told both times it was not viable and she did nothing about it.

You changing the story here to fit your agenda is priceless. Anyone with a brain see right though all these posts.

You PP are a real piece of work. "Don't we all keep a toilet colander and silk lined tiny coffin at hand when doctors refuse us" REALLY, REALLY MENTALLY SICK.

So basically you do think women need to fish out their miscarriages from the toilet?

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She was probably trying to get the baby out of the toilet so she could get the post mortem testing she needs to understand why she lost the baby.

- woman that's lost 6 pregnancies and counting.

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This poor woman.

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Anonymous wrote:Why'd she leave it in the toilet?

So your daughter goes to the hospital, twice, and they tell her her fetus is dead. But they can't help because they'd be participating in (whatever crime) and send her home. So as many of us agree we would do, she sits on the toilet as she strains and labors and bleeds and makes a bloody mess. Plop, out comes the dead baby. (per google, Your baby, or foetus, is around 27.8cm long from head to toe. That's approximately the size of a sweet potato.)

So genius, what does your daughter do next? Hopefully she calls you in her moment of need. What do you tell her to do? Call 911? An undertaker? Fish it out? Keeping in mind that nowadays, this may be a crime scene. Can she interfere with a "crime scene"? Is it really safe for her to call public services for help? Should she fish it out and bury it in the backyard? Is that safe to do, what if someone sees? Fish it out and put it in the garbage? Please tell me, step by step, what the reasonable thing is to do.