Woman charged with felony for having a stillbirth

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Anonymous wrote:Don't we all keep a toilet colander and silk lined tiny coffin at hand when doctors refuse us treatment and we're too poor to travel for better health care access? More than one woman had a similar experience in this thread, how many countless white women will have this experience and be treated with compassion versus this poor woman becoming a prosecution scape goat?

right?? and where is Ohio going to draw the line on this? Any second trimester miscarriage? First trimester? when will women be allowed to flush the toilet? I think Ohio women need to start showing up at this prosecutor’s office to deliver all their used tampons.

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“That will never happen”

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Anonymous wrote:“That will never happen”

Exactly.

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Anonymous wrote:Why'd she leave it in the toilet?

Are you female? If no, You have NO idea what comes out of us in a situation like that. Nor what her physical or mental state was. Nor what a dead "baby" looked like.

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Anonymous wrote:PS, since we are talking weights and sizes:

That infant I know of who delivered at 23 weeks was a pound almost exactly, which is the average size for that gestational age. or the weight of an average papaya. The infant fit well into the palm of my hand.

An average 20 week fetus is about 2/3 of a pound.

Nope, its 11 inches and one pound.

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Anonymous wrote:^^And sure, there may be a woman (or women) here who were delivering giant babies before the time of viability, but that's not typical.

Typical at 22 weeks is less than a pound.

Nope, its 11 inches and one pound.

https://www.whattoexpect.com/pregnancy/week-by-week/week-22.aspx

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Anonymous wrote:Don't we all keep a toilet colander and silk lined tiny coffin at hand when doctors refuse us treatment and we're too poor to travel for better health care access? More than one woman had a similar experience in this thread, how many countless white women will have this experience and be treated with compassion versus this poor woman becoming a prosecution scape goat?

right?? and where is Ohio going to draw the line on this? Any second trimester miscarriage? First trimester? when will women be allowed to flush the toilet? I think Ohio women need to start showing up at this prosecutor’s office to deliver all their used tampons.

I would love to slingshot this prosecutor in the face with my bloody tampon. Does this woman have a gofundme?

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t “don’t flush a corpse” common knowledge? I mean it’s not a goldfish it’s a human.

My “common knowledge “ doesn’t cover miscarriages or stillbirths outside of a hospital setting.
Since yours apparently does, please describe, in as detailed a way as you can manage, what exactly “common knowledge “ would have someone do in this situation.

I would probably call 911 and ask for help, and follow their instructions. But I get that after going through something traumatic and being turned away from from the hospital, the poor woman was in shock, and didn’t know what to do.

Really, common sense doesn’t tell you not to add a dead baby to the public water supply? It was apparently large enough that she tried plunging it and it didn’t go down so we’re not talking about just a large glob of cells…

Everyone flushes their miscarriage if it happens at home.

Do you think there is a clear toilet bowl so you can see what came out? You’re talking about a bowl of blood with something under it invisible to the eye.

Why didn’t a doctor extract the non viable fetus to avoid a catastrophic episode in this persons life like a normal stillborn/miscarriage?

Um, a 22-week fetus is a baby. It looks exactly like a baby. I held my 20-week old babies in my arms for an hour while they lived and breathed. You people who think they are a "glob of cells" are complete idiots.

I miscarried a 14 week fetus into a toilet and can tell you that fishing those remnants out of the water to put into a bag and bring to the doctor was about the most traumatizing thing I’ve ever experienced.

Sounds like you experienced your loss in a clean hospital setting where you gave birth in a bed and someone cleaned off your babies before putting them into your arms.

I’m sorry for your loss and experience and I’m sorry for this other woman’s loss and experience.

Please understand that your experience is not universal.

Big big difference between 14 weeks and 22 weeks. Learn biology.

And have you ever passed a 2nd trimester fetus into a toilet, sac and all, and had to reach in to dig it out the bloody remains to put into a container, all by yourself while writhing in pain and bleeding all over the place?

Not PP. EXCEPT she went about her day like normal. Did you even read the story? Stop making up your own context here.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t “don’t flush a corpse” common knowledge? I mean it’s not a goldfish it’s a human.

My “common knowledge “ doesn’t cover miscarriages or stillbirths outside of a hospital setting.
Since yours apparently does, please describe, in as detailed a way as you can manage, what exactly “common knowledge “ would have someone do in this situation.

I would probably call 911 and ask for help, and follow their instructions. But I get that after going through something traumatic and being turned away from from the hospital, the poor woman was in shock, and didn’t know what to do.

Really, common sense doesn’t tell you not to add a dead baby to the public water supply? It was apparently large enough that she tried plunging it and it didn’t go down so we’re not talking about just a large glob of cells…

Everyone flushes their miscarriage if it happens at home.

Do you think there is a clear toilet bowl so you can see what came out? You’re talking about a bowl of blood with something under it invisible to the eye.

Why didn’t a doctor extract the non viable fetus to avoid a catastrophic episode in this persons life like a normal stillborn/miscarriage?

Are you really arguing that it makes sense to flush a 22 week old fetus down the toilet? C’mon.

This wasn’t a miscarriage. It was a stillbirth.

I agree:
How big is my baby at 22 weeks?
Guess what? Now that you're 22 weeks pregnant, your baby, who’s about the size of a small doll, has finally broken the 1-pound mark.

How heavy is that? Hold a 1-pound bag of sugar in your arms the next time you're in the grocery store — and expect people to ask you why you're grinning from ear to ear.

Is the bag 11 inches long? That's about the length your baby is too!How big is my baby at 22 weeks?
Guess what? Now that you're 22 weeks pregnant, your baby, who’s about the size of a small doll, has finally broken the 1-pound mark.

How heavy is that? Hold a 1-pound bag of sugar in your arms the next time you're in the grocery store — and expect people to ask you why you're grinning from ear to ear.

Is the bag 11 inches long? That's about the length your baby is too!

Source: https://www.whattoexpect.com/pregnancy/week-by-week/week-22.aspx

You don’t know what week the baby died and if it was developing normally.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a woman who delivered two babies at 20 weeks and I can promise you, that woman did not sit on the toilet and just pop that dead baby out into the toilet and surprisingly hear a splash. Delivering a baby at that term, dead or alive, is every bit as painful as a full-term delivery--I know this, as I have done both, multiple times. You don't just go, oh, I have to pee, and then, hey what was that splash, oh, a baby! Then flush. This wasn't shock. This was foul play. She tried to flush a dead baby down the toilet. And everyone here knows why but won't say. She was very likely covering up a dead baby who had drugs in its system.

You are full on baloney! "Foul play"? The fetus was ALREADY DEAD. How do you commit foul play to the already dead contents of your uterus? Since when does a dead fetus have the same legal status as a corpse?

Although you got me there - corpses do have more legal rights to their bodies than women.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t “don’t flush a corpse” common knowledge? I mean it’s not a goldfish it’s a human.

My “common knowledge “ doesn’t cover miscarriages or stillbirths outside of a hospital setting.
Since yours apparently does, please describe, in as detailed a way as you can manage, what exactly “common knowledge “ would have someone do in this situation.

I would probably call 911 and ask for help, and follow their instructions. But I get that after going through something traumatic and being turned away from from the hospital, the poor woman was in shock, and didn’t know what to do.

Really, common sense doesn’t tell you not to add a dead baby to the public water supply? It was apparently large enough that she tried plunging it and it didn’t go down so we’re not talking about just a large glob of cells…

Everyone flushes their miscarriage if it happens at home.

Do you think there is a clear toilet bowl so you can see what came out? You’re talking about a bowl of blood with something under it invisible to the eye.

Why didn’t a doctor extract the non viable fetus to avoid a catastrophic episode in this persons life like a normal stillborn/miscarriage?

Um, a 22-week fetus is a baby. It looks exactly like a baby. I held my 20-week old babies in my arms for an hour while they lived and breathed. You people who think they are a "glob of cells" are complete idiots.

I miscarried a 14 week fetus into a toilet and can tell you that fishing those remnants out of the water to put into a bag and bring to the doctor was about the most traumatizing thing I’ve ever experienced.

Sounds like you experienced your loss in a clean hospital setting where you gave birth in a bed and someone cleaned off your babies before putting them into your arms.

I’m sorry for your loss and experience and I’m sorry for this other woman’s loss and experience.

Please understand that your experience is not universal.

Big big difference between 14 weeks and 22 weeks. Learn biology.

And have you ever passed a 2nd trimester fetus into a toilet, sac and all, and had to reach in to dig it out the bloody remains to put into a container, all by yourself while writhing in pain and bleeding all over the place?

That's not what happened. It was the indifference to the corpse that is the crime: "“The issue isn’t how the child died, when the child died — it’s the fact that the baby was put into a toilet, large enough to clog up a toilet, left in that toilet and she went on [with] her day,” said Warren assistance prosecutor Lewis Guarnieri."

jfc. we really ARE at the point of prosecuting women for miscarriages and stillbirths. be careful having your period in Ohio ladies - you could be engaging in a felony by flushing the tampon.

Yes, we are. Thankfully there are people with morals who think flushing a dead baby down a toilet is wrong.

honestly stFu. she should have been admitted to the hospital and given a D&C but that is now illegal in Ohio.

Exactly this. All the people upset over the baby in the toilet should realize that the timing this all went astray is when this woman was sent home from the hospital to manage this on her own. If you don’t like the outcome of this, allow women to get help from doctors.

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My 22 1/2 week old was 11 1/4 inches and 1 lb 2oz.

I cannot imagine what she was going through. I was in a hospital and it was god effing awful.

I don’t think I could have been able to think about anything, at home. I don’t think I could have pulled my dead baby out of the toilet. Jfc.

How dangerous for her. Shame on the hospital.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t “don’t flush a corpse” common knowledge? I mean it’s not a goldfish it’s a human.

My “common knowledge “ doesn’t cover miscarriages or stillbirths outside of a hospital setting.
Since yours apparently does, please describe, in as detailed a way as you can manage, what exactly “common knowledge “ would have someone do in this situation.

I would probably call 911 and ask for help, and follow their instructions. But I get that after going through something traumatic and being turned away from from the hospital, the poor woman was in shock, and didn’t know what to do.

Really, common sense doesn’t tell you not to add a dead baby to the public water supply? It was apparently large enough that she tried plunging it and it didn’t go down so we’re not talking about just a large glob of cells…

Everyone flushes their miscarriage if it happens at home.

Do you think there is a clear toilet bowl so you can see what came out? You’re talking about a bowl of blood with something under it invisible to the eye.

Why didn’t a doctor extract the non viable fetus to avoid a catastrophic episode in this persons life like a normal stillborn/miscarriage?

Um, a 22-week fetus is a baby. It looks exactly like a baby. I held my 20-week old babies in my arms for an hour while they lived and breathed. You people who think they are a "glob of cells" are complete idiots.

I miscarried a 14 week fetus into a toilet and can tell you that fishing those remnants out of the water to put into a bag and bring to the doctor was about the most traumatizing thing I’ve ever experienced.

Sounds like you experienced your loss in a clean hospital setting where you gave birth in a bed and someone cleaned off your babies before putting them into your arms.

I’m sorry for your loss and experience and I’m sorry for this other woman’s loss and experience.

Please understand that your experience is not universal.

Big big difference between 14 weeks and 22 weeks. Learn biology.

And have you ever passed a 2nd trimester fetus into a toilet, sac and all, and had to reach in to dig it out the bloody remains to put into a container, all by yourself while writhing in pain and bleeding all over the place?

Not PP. EXCEPT she went about her day like normal. Did you even read the story? Stop making up your own context here.

How do you know “she went about her day like normal”? You have zero details and are just repeating the words of an ignorant and biased prosecutor.

There was nothing “normal” about her day after that.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t “don’t flush a corpse” common knowledge? I mean it’s not a goldfish it’s a human.

My “common knowledge “ doesn’t cover miscarriages or stillbirths outside of a hospital setting.
Since yours apparently does, please describe, in as detailed a way as you can manage, what exactly “common knowledge “ would have someone do in this situation.

I would probably call 911 and ask for help, and follow their instructions. But I get that after going through something traumatic and being turned away from from the hospital, the poor woman was in shock, and didn’t know what to do.

Really, common sense doesn’t tell you not to add a dead baby to the public water supply? It was apparently large enough that she tried plunging it and it didn’t go down so we’re not talking about just a large glob of cells…

Everyone flushes their miscarriage if it happens at home.

Do you think there is a clear toilet bowl so you can see what came out? You’re talking about a bowl of blood with something under it invisible to the eye.

Why didn’t a doctor extract the non viable fetus to avoid a catastrophic episode in this persons life like a normal stillborn/miscarriage?

Um, a 22-week fetus is a baby. It looks exactly like a baby. I held my 20-week old babies in my arms for an hour while they lived and breathed. You people who think they are a "glob of cells" are complete idiots.

I miscarried a 14 week fetus into a toilet and can tell you that fishing those remnants out of the water to put into a bag and bring to the doctor was about the most traumatizing thing I’ve ever experienced.

Sounds like you experienced your loss in a clean hospital setting where you gave birth in a bed and someone cleaned off your babies before putting them into your arms.

I’m sorry for your loss and experience and I’m sorry for this other woman’s loss and experience.

Please understand that your experience is not universal.

Big big difference between 14 weeks and 22 weeks. Learn biology.

And have you ever passed a 2nd trimester fetus into a toilet, sac and all, and had to reach in to dig it out the bloody remains to put into a container, all by yourself while writhing in pain and bleeding all over the place?

That's not what happened. It was the indifference to the corpse that is the crime: "“The issue isn’t how the child died, when the child died — it’s the fact that the baby was put into a toilet, large enough to clog up a toilet, left in that toilet and she went on [with] her day,” said Warren assistance prosecutor Lewis Guarnieri."

jfc. we really ARE at the point of prosecuting women for miscarriages and stillbirths..

be careful having your period in Ohio ladies - you could be engaging in a felony by flushing the tampon

What a wild exaggeration to fit your agenda PP. :roll:

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t “don’t flush a corpse” common knowledge? I mean it’s not a goldfish it’s a human.

My “common knowledge “ doesn’t cover miscarriages or stillbirths outside of a hospital setting.
Since yours apparently does, please describe, in as detailed a way as you can manage, what exactly “common knowledge “ would have someone do in this situation.

I would probably call 911 and ask for help, and follow their instructions. But I get that after going through something traumatic and being turned away from from the hospital, the poor woman was in shock, and didn’t know what to do.

Really, common sense doesn’t tell you not to add a dead baby to the public water supply? It was apparently large enough that she tried plunging it and it didn’t go down so we’re not talking about just a large glob of cells…

Everyone flushes their miscarriage if it happens at home.

Do you think there is a clear toilet bowl so you can see what came out? You’re talking about a bowl of blood with something under it invisible to the eye.

Why didn’t a doctor extract the non viable fetus to avoid a catastrophic episode in this persons life like a normal stillborn/miscarriage?

Um, a 22-week fetus is a baby. It looks exactly like a baby. I held my 20-week old babies in my arms for an hour while they lived and breathed. You people who think they are a "glob of cells" are complete idiots.

I miscarried a 14 week fetus into a toilet and can tell you that fishing those remnants out of the water to put into a bag and bring to the doctor was about the most traumatizing thing I’ve ever experienced.

Sounds like you experienced your loss in a clean hospital setting where you gave birth in a bed and someone cleaned off your babies before putting them into your arms.

I’m sorry for your loss and experience and I’m sorry for this other woman’s loss and experience.

Please understand that your experience is not universal.

Big big difference between 14 weeks and 22 weeks. Learn biology.

And have you ever passed a 2nd trimester fetus into a toilet, sac and all, and had to reach in to dig it out the bloody remains to put into a container, all by yourself while writhing in pain and bleeding all over the place?

That's not what happened. It was the indifference to the corpse that is the crime: "“The issue isn’t how the child died, when the child died — it’s the fact that the baby was put into a toilet, large enough to clog up a toilet, left in that toilet and she went on [with] her day,” said Warren assistance prosecutor Lewis Guarnieri."

jfc. we really ARE at the point of prosecuting women for miscarriages and stillbirths. be careful having your period in Ohio ladies - you could be engaging in a felony by flushing the tampon.

Yes, we are. Thankfully there are people with morals who think flushing a dead baby down a toilet is wrong.

honestly stFu. she should have been admitted to the hospital and given a D&C but that is now illegal in Ohio.

Exactly this. All the people upset over the baby in the toilet should realize that the timing this all went astray is when this woman was sent home from the hospital to manage this on her own. If you don’t like the outcome of this, allow women to get help from doctors.

Exactly.