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Anonymous wrote:So then there are at least three different ways summative retakes occur per fcps policy and then rogue teachers who do their own thing because no one in admin cares to stop them.

There are TWO ways retakes occur per fcps policy. If parents alert the admin about the "rogue teachers," then they can be corrected. Admin does care. If you feel that your child's school is not correctly following the policy, then you should elevate to FCPS central admin.

Who also does not care.

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Anonymous wrote:So then there are at least three different ways summative retakes occur per fcps policy and then rogue teachers who do their own thing because no one in admin cares to stop them.

There are TWO ways retakes occur per fcps policy. If parents alert the admin about the "rogue teachers," then they can be corrected. Admin does care. If you feel that your child's school is not correctly following the policy, then you should elevate to FCPS central admin.

Is “alert the admin about the ‘rogue teachers,’” the same tip line as Youngkin’s tip line for reporting rogue teachers?

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Anonymous wrote:So then there are at least three different ways summative retakes occur per fcps policy and then rogue teachers who do their own thing because no one in admin cares to stop them.

There are TWO ways retakes occur per fcps policy. If parents alert the admin about the "rogue teachers," then they can be corrected. Admin does care. If you feel that your child's school is not correctly following the policy, then you should elevate to FCPS central admin.

Is “alert the admin about the ‘rogue teachers,’” the same tip line as Youngkin’s tip line for reporting rogue teachers?

Obviously not.

If you just want to complain anonymously on DCUM, that is fine. But if you do have a legitimate problem with a teacher not following the FCPS retake policy correctly, then you should discuss the issue with the teacher, and then if needed, with the school admin or central admin.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So then there are at least three different ways summative retakes occur per fcps policy and then rogue teachers who do their own thing because no one in admin cares to stop them.

There are TWO ways retakes occur per fcps policy. If parents alert the admin about the "rogue teachers," then they can be corrected. Admin does care. If you feel that your child's school is not correctly following the policy, then you should elevate to FCPS central admin.

Is “alert the admin about the ‘rogue teachers,’” the same tip line as Youngkin’s tip line for reporting rogue teachers?

Obviously not.

If you just want to complain anonymously on DCUM, that is fine. But if you do have a legitimate problem with a teacher not following the FCPS retake policy correctly, then you should discuss the issue with the teacher, and then if needed, with the school admin or central admin.

But nothing happens. They just say each school gets to decide their own policy. People have tried this, and they just get the run around.

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Anonymous wrote:Actually Joe Feldman’s (author of Grading for Equity) research shows it’s an approach that results in less As for white students and less Ds and Fs for non-white students.

Also, there is an ongoing debate about the move away from content learning to skills-based learning. I don’t think it’s a good idea and think kids learn less. It does let kids slack off and still do ok in the end.

Speeches he’s given always note as the first reason equity grading is important is because traditional grading methods hurt kids who can’t do homework because they are watching younger siblings or working. At jmhs, what is the percentage of the student population this specific concern impacts? I’m guessing it is less than 1-2%. It would have to be only kids who either work or watch siblings AND but for the babysitting/work they would be doing their hw.

So if equity is everything for the school board, isn't doing away with the 4.0 grading scale and standards based grading moving away from equity grading and back to a more traditional method?

I have an 8th grader as my oldest and I'm still trying to figure this out. His 7th grade teachers did a mix of what I know as traditional scoring on a 100 point scale with a rolling gradebook vs. skills/standards based grading with rolling gradebook (this was the long column of "I can" statements). My 7th grader really hated the 4.0 scale. I never got a handle on how it worked.

I remember him being annoyed once when he got an 80% on a science test which brought his grade down to a B+. He wasn't allowed to retake it because he didn't "fail enough". He wished he'd missed one more question and then he could have retaken it and gotten a perfect. He was starting to realize he should just fail all his tests to see what's on them and then get a perfect the second time around! Seems like a strange system.

Retakes are only supposed to go up to 80 percent or a B whatever that is in any system.

Not the case at every school and it's irritating af. Why should some kids get two bites to get the A and others only get one?

I think its fairly problematic that kids with a 75 can get an A but kids with an 85 are stuck with a B. I think if you are going to allow retakes, it should only be for below 60.

There is no FCPS school that allows a 75 to be retaken and reentered up to a 100, while simultaneously not allowing an 85 to be reattempted.

There are 2 methods. First, the most common is retakes can be attempted if you make below an 80. The highest grade you can earn is an 80 (no matter what you score on the retake). Second, there are a very few schools that allow retakes up to a 100. These schools allow anyone (even those who scored a 90 or so) to retake.

Wrong. Has happened at my kids' school.

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Anonymous wrote:Actually Joe Feldman’s (author of Grading for Equity) research shows it’s an approach that results in less As for white students and less Ds and Fs for non-white students.

Also, there is an ongoing debate about the move away from content learning to skills-based learning. I don’t think it’s a good idea and think kids learn less. It does let kids slack off and still do ok in the end.

Speeches he’s given always note as the first reason equity grading is important is because traditional grading methods hurt kids who can’t do homework because they are watching younger siblings or working. At jmhs, what is the percentage of the student population this specific concern impacts? I’m guessing it is less than 1-2%. It would have to be only kids who either work or watch siblings AND but for the babysitting/work they would be doing their hw.

So if equity is everything for the school board, isn't doing away with the 4.0 grading scale and standards based grading moving away from equity grading and back to a more traditional method?

I have an 8th grader as my oldest and I'm still trying to figure this out. His 7th grade teachers did a mix of what I know as traditional scoring on a 100 point scale with a rolling gradebook vs. skills/standards based grading with rolling gradebook (this was the long column of "I can" statements). My 7th grader really hated the 4.0 scale. I never got a handle on how it worked.

I remember him being annoyed once when he got an 80% on a science test which brought his grade down to a B+. He wasn't allowed to retake it because he didn't "fail enough". He wished he'd missed one more question and then he could have retaken it and gotten a perfect. He was starting to realize he should just fail all his tests to see what's on them and then get a perfect the second time around! Seems like a strange system.

Retakes are only supposed to go up to 80 percent or a B whatever that is in any system.

Not the case at every school and it's irritating af. Why should some kids get two bites to get the A and others only get one?

I think its fairly problematic that kids with a 75 can get an A but kids with an 85 are stuck with a B. I think if you are going to allow retakes, it should only be for below 60.

There is no FCPS school that allows a 75 to be retaken and reentered up to a 100, while simultaneously not allowing an 85 to be reattempted.

There are 2 methods. First, the most common is retakes can be attempted if you make below an 80. The highest grade you can earn is an 80 (no matter what you score on the retake). Second, there are a very few schools that allow retakes up to a 100. These schools allow anyone (even those who scored a 90 or so) to retake.

Wrong. Has happened at my kids' school.

What school and to whom did you complain about it?

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Anonymous wrote:So then there are at least three different ways summative retakes occur per fcps policy and then rogue teachers who do their own thing because no one in admin cares to stop them.

There are TWO ways retakes occur per fcps policy. If parents alert the admin about the "rogue teachers," then they can be corrected. Admin does care. If you feel that your child's school is not correctly following the policy, then you should elevate to FCPS central admin.

Is “alert the admin about the ‘rogue teachers,’” the same tip line as Youngkin’s tip line for reporting rogue teachers?

Obviously not.

If you just want to complain anonymously on DCUM, that is fine. But if you do have a legitimate problem with a teacher not following the FCPS retake policy correctly, then you should discuss the issue with the teacher, and then if needed, with the school admin or central admin.

But nothing happens. They just say each school gets to decide their own policy. People have tried this, and they just get the run around.

What teachers/schools are not following the 2 accepted methods? The stated policy is on the FCPS website. Schools must fillow it. Let's all be loud and work to fix this grading inequity this year.

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Anonymous wrote:So then there are at least three different ways summative retakes occur per fcps policy and then rogue teachers who do their own thing because no one in admin cares to stop them.

There are TWO ways retakes occur per fcps policy. If parents alert the admin about the "rogue teachers," then they can be corrected. Admin does care. If you feel that your child's school is not correctly following the policy, then you should elevate to FCPS central admin.

Is “alert the admin about the ‘rogue teachers,’” the same tip line as Youngkin’s tip line for reporting rogue teachers?

Obviously not.

If you just want to complain anonymously on DCUM, that is fine. But if you do have a legitimate problem with a teacher not following the FCPS retake policy correctly, then you should discuss the issue with the teacher, and then if needed, with the school admin or central admin.

But nothing happens. They just say each school gets to decide their own policy. People have tried this, and they just get the run around.

What teachers/schools are not following the 2 accepted methods? The stated policy is on the FCPS website. Schools must fillow it. Let's all be loud and work to fix this grading inequity this year.

Eliminating the retake policy is the best way to do this.

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Anonymous wrote:So then there are at least three different ways summative retakes occur per fcps policy and then rogue teachers who do their own thing because no one in admin cares to stop them.

There are TWO ways retakes occur per fcps policy. If parents alert the admin about the "rogue teachers," then they can be corrected. Admin does care. If you feel that your child's school is not correctly following the policy, then you should elevate to FCPS central admin.

Is “alert the admin about the ‘rogue teachers,’” the same tip line as Youngkin’s tip line for reporting rogue teachers?

Obviously not.

If you just want to complain anonymously on DCUM, that is fine. But if you do have a legitimate problem with a teacher not following the FCPS retake policy correctly, then you should discuss the issue with the teacher, and then if needed, with the school admin or central admin.

But nothing happens. They just say each school gets to decide their own policy. People have tried this, and they just get the run around.

What teachers/schools are not following the 2 accepted methods? The stated policy is on the FCPS website. Schools must fillow it. Let's all be loud and work to fix this grading inequity this year.

Eliminating the retake policy is the best way to do this.

Sure. But that's not happening this year. So let's work with what we've got.

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Anonymous wrote:So then there are at least three different ways summative retakes occur per fcps policy and then rogue teachers who do their own thing because no one in admin cares to stop them.

There are TWO ways retakes occur per fcps policy. If parents alert the admin about the "rogue teachers," then they can be corrected. Admin does care. If you feel that your child's school is not correctly following the policy, then you should elevate to FCPS central admin.

Is “alert the admin about the ‘rogue teachers,’” the same tip line as Youngkin’s tip line for reporting rogue teachers?

Obviously not.

If you just want to complain anonymously on DCUM, that is fine. But if you do have a legitimate problem with a teacher not following the FCPS retake policy correctly, then you should discuss the issue with the teacher, and then if needed, with the school admin or central admin.

But nothing happens. They just say each school gets to decide their own policy. People have tried this, and they just get the run around.

What teachers/schools are not following the 2 accepted methods? The stated policy is on the FCPS website. Schools must fillow it. Let's all be loud and work to fix this grading inequity this year.

Eliminating the retake policy is the best way to do this.

There was nothing wrong with the original retake policy. It was created to help students struggling learn without impacting high performers to a large degree. If you have a high schooler, you understand that most everyone applying has above a 3.5 and usually over a 4.0 around here. People with a 3.0 aren't competition. It may even help your high achiever if they bomb one test to get back on track and not slide into thinking they are stupid in a subject. So, if you retake and get an 80, it doesn't interfere with those applying to competitive colleges. What it does help with is learning the material and keeping kids on track to finish school and graduate, so we don't have dolts graduating high school and unable to function in the world. This is important because these are mandatory school years, and we want people to be able to be independent and make good decisions and understand the world. That's why SBG does not help these students. It doesn't help them actually learn the material they struggled with. Everything was fine with the grading till teachers decided to go rogue with no accountability and they introduced standards-based grading. FCPS just needs to enforce their own policy school by school and teacher by teacher.

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Anonymous wrote:So then there are at least three different ways summative retakes occur per fcps policy and then rogue teachers who do their own thing because no one in admin cares to stop them.

There are TWO ways retakes occur per fcps policy. If parents alert the admin about the "rogue teachers," then they can be corrected. Admin does care. If you feel that your child's school is not correctly following the policy, then you should elevate to FCPS central admin.

Is “alert the admin about the ‘rogue teachers,’” the same tip line as Youngkin’s tip line for reporting rogue teachers?

Obviously not.

If you just want to complain anonymously on DCUM, that is fine. But if you do have a legitimate problem with a teacher not following the FCPS retake policy correctly, then you should discuss the issue with the teacher, and then if needed, with the school admin or central admin.

But nothing happens. They just say each school gets to decide their own policy. People have tried this, and they just get the run around.

What teachers/schools are not following the 2 accepted methods? The stated policy is on the FCPS website. Schools must fillow it. Let's all be loud and work to fix this grading inequity this year.

Eliminating the retake policy is the best way to do this.

There was nothing wrong with the original retake policy. It was created to help students struggling learn without impacting high performers to a large degree. If you have a high schooler, you understand that most everyone applying has above a 3.5 and usually over a 4.0 around here. People with a 3.0 aren't competition. It may even help your high achiever if they bomb one test to get back on track and not slide into thinking they are stupid in a subject. So, if you retake and get an 80, it doesn't interfere with those applying to competitive colleges. What it does help with is learning the material and keeping kids on track to finish school and graduate, so we don't have dolts graduating high school and unable to function in the world. This is important because these are mandatory school years, and we want people to be able to be independent and make good decisions and understand the world. That's why SBG does not help these students. It doesn't help them actually learn the material they struggled with. Everything was fine with the grading till teachers decided to go rogue with no accountability and they introduced standards-based grading. FCPS just needs to enforce their own policy school by school and teacher by teacher.

Well said. The original retake policy with a maximum grade of 80% adds value. A retake policy beyond 80% and/or SBG are problematic for all students but especially the better students.

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Anonymous wrote:So then there are at least three different ways summative retakes occur per fcps policy and then rogue teachers who do their own thing because no one in admin cares to stop them.

There are TWO ways retakes occur per fcps policy. If parents alert the admin about the "rogue teachers," then they can be corrected. Admin does care. If you feel that your child's school is not correctly following the policy, then you should elevate to FCPS central admin.

Is “alert the admin about the ‘rogue teachers,’” the same tip line as Youngkin’s tip line for reporting rogue teachers?

Obviously not.

If you just want to complain anonymously on DCUM, that is fine. But if you do have a legitimate problem with a teacher not following the FCPS retake policy correctly, then you should discuss the issue with the teacher, and then if needed, with the school admin or central admin.

But nothing happens. They just say each school gets to decide their own policy. People have tried this, and they just get the run around.

What teachers/schools are not following the 2 accepted methods? The stated policy is on the FCPS website. Schools must fillow it. Let's all be loud and work to fix this grading inequity this year.

Eliminating the retake policy is the best way to do this.

There was nothing wrong with the original retake policy. It was created to help students struggling learn without impacting high performers to a large degree. If you have a high schooler, you understand that most everyone applying has above a 3.5 and usually over a 4.0 around here. People with a 3.0 aren't competition. It may even help your high achiever if they bomb one test to get back on track and not slide into thinking they are stupid in a subject. So, if you retake and get an 80, it doesn't interfere with those applying to competitive colleges. What it does help with is learning the material and keeping kids on track to finish school and graduate, so we don't have dolts graduating high school and unable to function in the world. This is important because these are mandatory school years, and we want people to be able to be independent and make good decisions and understand the world. That's why SBG does not help these students. It doesn't help them actually learn the material they struggled with. Everything was fine with the grading till teachers decided to go rogue with no accountability and they introduced standards-based grading. FCPS just needs to enforce their own policy school by school and teacher by teacher.

Well said. The original retake policy with a maximum grade of 80% adds value. A retake policy beyond 80% and/or SBG are problematic for all students but especially the better students.

Very, very, very few FCPS high schools allow retakes above 80%. I know Mountain View Alternative HS allows students to retake up to 100%. Are there any others?

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Anonymous wrote:So then there are at least three different ways summative retakes occur per fcps policy and then rogue teachers who do their own thing because no one in admin cares to stop them.

There are TWO ways retakes occur per fcps policy. If parents alert the admin about the "rogue teachers," then they can be corrected. Admin does care. If you feel that your child's school is not correctly following the policy, then you should elevate to FCPS central admin.

Is “alert the admin about the ‘rogue teachers,’” the same tip line as Youngkin’s tip line for reporting rogue teachers?

Obviously not.

If you just want to complain anonymously on DCUM, that is fine. But if you do have a legitimate problem with a teacher not following the FCPS retake policy correctly, then you should discuss the issue with the teacher, and then if needed, with the school admin or central admin.

But nothing happens. They just say each school gets to decide their own policy. People have tried this, and they just get the run around.

What teachers/schools are not following the 2 accepted methods? The stated policy is on the FCPS website. Schools must fillow it. Let's all be loud and work to fix this grading inequity this year.

Eliminating the retake policy is the best way to do this.

There was nothing wrong with the original retake policy. It was created to help students struggling learn without impacting high performers to a large degree. If you have a high schooler, you understand that most everyone applying has above a 3.5 and usually over a 4.0 around here. People with a 3.0 aren't competition. It may even help your high achiever if they bomb one test to get back on track and not slide into thinking they are stupid in a subject. So, if you retake and get an 80, it doesn't interfere with those applying to competitive colleges. What it does help with is learning the material and keeping kids on track to finish school and graduate, so we don't have dolts graduating high school and unable to function in the world. This is important because these are mandatory school years, and we want people to be able to be independent and make good decisions and understand the world. That's why SBG does not help these students. It doesn't help them actually learn the material they struggled with. Everything was fine with the grading till teachers decided to go rogue with no accountability and they introduced standards-based grading. FCPS just needs to enforce their own policy school by school and teacher by teacher.

Well said. The original retake policy with a maximum grade of 80% adds value. A retake policy beyond 80% and/or SBG are problematic for all students but especially the better students.

Very, very, very few FCPS high schools allow retakes above 80%. I know Mountain View Alternative HS allows students to retake up to 100%. Are there any others?

Lake Braddock allows up to 100

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Anonymous wrote:So then there are at least three different ways summative retakes occur per fcps policy and then rogue teachers who do their own thing because no one in admin cares to stop them.

There are TWO ways retakes occur per fcps policy. If parents alert the admin about the "rogue teachers," then they can be corrected. Admin does care. If you feel that your child's school is not correctly following the policy, then you should elevate to FCPS central admin.

Is “alert the admin about the ‘rogue teachers,’” the same tip line as Youngkin’s tip line for reporting rogue teachers?

Obviously not.

If you just want to complain anonymously on DCUM, that is fine. But if you do have a legitimate problem with a teacher not following the FCPS retake policy correctly, then you should discuss the issue with the teacher, and then if needed, with the school admin or central admin.

But nothing happens. They just say each school gets to decide their own policy. People have tried this, and they just get the run around.

What teachers/schools are not following the 2 accepted methods? The stated policy is on the FCPS website. Schools must fillow it. Let's all be loud and work to fix this grading inequity this year.

Eliminating the retake policy is the best way to do this.

There was nothing wrong with the original retake policy. It was created to help students struggling learn without impacting high performers to a large degree. If you have a high schooler, you understand that most everyone applying has above a 3.5 and usually over a 4.0 around here. People with a 3.0 aren't competition. It may even help your high achiever if they bomb one test to get back on track and not slide into thinking they are stupid in a subject. So, if you retake and get an 80, it doesn't interfere with those applying to competitive colleges. What it does help with is learning the material and keeping kids on track to finish school and graduate, so we don't have dolts graduating high school and unable to function in the world. This is important because these are mandatory school years, and we want people to be able to be independent and make good decisions and understand the world. That's why SBG does not help these students. It doesn't help them actually learn the material they struggled with. Everything was fine with the grading till teachers decided to go rogue with no accountability and they introduced standards-based grading. FCPS just needs to enforce their own policy school by school and teacher by teacher.

There are at least 4 schools in FCPS that are using SBG: Edison, Oakton, Madison, maybe Fairfax or WestPo. The administration at the schools chose to do this, not rogue teachers. FCPS is allowing this - I've checked. I suspect this will spread to other schools and maybe all talk of the "0 is back" is just talk until after the SB election. I hope Reid loses her job. I know some schools are implementing SBG slowly, so may not apply to every class yet, but SBG closes the gap, and that is Reid's main objective.

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I doubt SBG in the end will close the gap. It doesn’t teach new skills or assess them so it doesn’t prepare for new material.