FL schools to teach that "Blacks benefited from slavery" and "massacres had reasons"

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Anonymous wrote:This is for an AP class on African American history. There is going to be a lot in there. We didn't even have this course before and there isn't one for any other race. Two standards in a year-round course specializing in African Americans? Why is this such a big deal?

Actually, no, it doesn't apply only to the AP class on AA history.

"The standards also require middle schools to teach students about skills that slaves developed that could have been beneficial to them."

Source: Washington Examiner (2nd paragraph). https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/education/florida-board-education-approves-african-american-history-standards

I can imagine the comments after class when teaching this standard. ‘See slavery wasn’t all bad, they learning how to farm.’ Such BS.

True, but I think it's positive the AP course will be taught.

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Anonymous wrote:This is for an AP class on African American history. There is going to be a lot in there. We didn't even have this course before and there isn't one for any other race. Two standards in a year-round course specializing in African Americans? Why is this such a big deal?

Actually, no, it doesn't apply only to the AP class on AA history.

"The standards also require middle schools to teach students about skills that slaves developed that could have been beneficial to them."

Source: Washington Examiner (2nd paragraph). https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/education/florida-board-education-approves-african-american-history-standards

I can imagine the comments after class when teaching this standard. ‘See slavery wasn’t all bad, they learning how to farm.’ Such BS.

True, but I think it's positive the AP course will be taught.

These new standards have nothing to do with the AP African American History course. In fact last I checked that course’s curriculum as approved by the College Board is anathema to what Florida wants to teach its kids. https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1107054.page

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Anonymous wrote:Where’s the Florida Board of Education link, OP?

Do you know Google: https://www.fldoe.org/core/fileparse.php/20653/urlt/6-4.pdf

You haven’t read the 200 pages, have you? Lol!

Are you familiar with how to search a pdf?

pages 6, 71: "Benchmark Clarifications:
Clarification 1: Instruction includes how slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit."

pages 17, 133: "Clarification 2: Instruction includes acts of violence perpetrated against and by African Americans but
is not limited to 1906 Atlanta Race Riot, 1919 Washington, D.C. Race Riot, 1920 Ocoee Massacre, 1921
Tulsa Massacre and the 1923 Rosewood Massacre." (these are all riots/massacres which were started by white people - violence by black people was in self-defense)

What is historically incorrect in the bolded statement?

This is the benchmark that clarifies: "Examine the various duties and trades performed by slaves (e.g., agricultural
work, painting, carpentry, tailoring, domestic service, blacksmithing,
transportation)"

Why is it necessary to point out that while they learned these skills in order to serve their masters, enslaved people would also be able to darn their own socks?

Some skilled slaves could also work for others, not their masters, for pay. Just like any other skilled worker. Maybe you would learn something if you go to school in Florida.

This is common knowledge.

But what you’re gliding right over is that the enslaved could only do so with the permission of the person who owned them, so no, not just like any other skilled worker.

It depends. Some skilled slaves were skilled workers that worked for their masters first and any other jobs as they chose. Some didn't. There were regional variations and differences in different time periods. It was complicated and not one-dimensional. In general, slaves were treated as one step lower than the lower class servants. Sometimes much worse, but by far the worst were the field workers. Being a slave in the city was safer. And the slave women who were mistresses of the owners could be treated treated quite well, including being given houses of their own.

"Mistresses"???! They were rape victims imprisoned by their rapists. Doesn't matter if the prison had nice curtains, PP.

You seem to be overestimating the options that mistresses who were not slaves were making. IOW, the APs of today are not the mistresses of the past.

Your historical perspective is limited.

I am not defending or agreeing with the new Florida standards since DeSantis is currently operating in shock mode - but history is lot more complicated, and people were more restricted, than you are acknowledging. Or aware of.

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Anonymous wrote:Did we think Florida Man was a scholar?!

Well, DeSantis, who’s happy to spearhead this mess, went to Yale and Harvard Law — so he may or may not be a scholar, but he definitely knows enough about what an excellent education can be to know that he’s deliberately condemning students and educators in Florida to something substandard.

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Please raise your hand if you want to benefit DeSantis and his family the way FL says slaves benefited.

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Anonymous wrote:Did we think Florida Man was a scholar?!

Well, DeSantis, who’s happy to spearhead this mess, went to Yale and Harvard Law — so he may or may not be a scholar, but he definitely knows enough about what an excellent education can be to know that he’s deliberately condemning students and educators in Floridapublic schools to something substandard.

I fixed that for you. Neither DeSantis nor his donors would ever let their kids attend any of the schools that will be subject to these rules. It's political posturing that has no effect on their own families

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A rapist may say his victim benefited by his act. Would FL make rapes legal? Someone may say I am glad I lest New York.

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Anonymous wrote:A rapist may say his victim benefited by his act. Would FL make rapes legal? Someone may say I am glad I lest New York.

+1

This is no different than Bobby Knight telling rape victims they may as well lie back and enjoy it.

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Anonymous wrote:Did we think Florida Man was a scholar?!

Well, DeSantis, who’s happy to spearhead this mess, went to Yale and Harvard Law — so he may or may not be a scholar, but he definitely knows enough about what an excellent education can be to know that he’s deliberately condemning students and educators in Florida to something substandard.

Funny, he didn’t go to college in Florida. He’s turning a backwards state into an even greater intellectual backwater.

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Thank God, Republicans made slavery illegal.
Democrats fought to keep slavery legal.

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Thank God, Republicans made slavery illegal.
Democrats fought to keep slavery legal.

Too bad Republicans have changed their minds. Republicans are rolling back laws. Wonder where they will stop?

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Thank God, Republicans made slavery illegal.
Democrats fought to keep slavery legal.

Indeed. Unfortunately, for you, both switched parties. The Democrats you revile were the Republicans that actually fought for the union and ended slavery.

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Anonymous wrote:Did we think Florida Man was a scholar?!

Well, DeSantis, who’s happy to spearhead this mess, went to Yale and Harvard Law — so he may or may not be a scholar, but he definitely knows enough about what an excellent education can be to know that he’s deliberately condemning students and educators in Florida to something substandard.

Funny, he didn’t go to college in Florida. He’s turning a backwards state into an even greater intellectual backwater.

He graduated magna cum laude from Yale and earned a law degree from Harvard. Sounds as if the schools in Florida gave him a great education and preparation for those challenging Ivies.

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I wasn't really paying attention to this news story because it appeared to be so obviously BS that it wasn't worth reading. Then I realized that was the wrong way to go, because if we quit paying attention to potential abuses of power, we won't notice them when they happen.

So I looked into this story and, well, it was intentionally misconstrued to smear Florida. I don't know why I bother.

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Anonymous wrote:I wasn't really paying attention to this news story because it appeared to be so obviously BS that it wasn't worth reading. Then I realized that was the wrong way to go, because if we quit paying attention to potential abuses of power, we won't notice them when they happen.

So I looked into this story and, well, it was intentionally misconstrued to smear Florida. I don't know why I bother.

Oh well by all means, share your proof with the class.