FL schools to teach that "Blacks benefited from slavery" and "massacres had reasons"

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Anonymous wrote:African-Americans are the most forgiving and resilient people on the planet. All they want is equality and acknowledgment of their history and the South can't even do that.

Do you expect the people of DC to apologize for DC's history of slavery?

Are the people of DC saying that there were benefits bestowed on some of the slaves by the forced acquisition of skills?

No. But neither are the people of any state but Florida. Why do people in South Carolina owe you an apology?

IF they are saying that there were benefits to slavery for the slaves, I think they need to correct that.

What I'm responding to is the tsk-tsk about why people who live in the south today haven't apologized about slavery. I'm confused about why we're giving DC and Maryland a pass. I am also confused about why if you live in the south, you're more responsible for this historic injustice than anyone else in the US. I'm not from the south, but I live in the south now. A year ago I didn't owe you an apology, but now I do. Make this make sense.

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Anonymous wrote:African-Americans are the most forgiving and resilient people on the planet. All they want is equality and acknowledgment of their history and the South can't even do that.

Do you expect the people of DC to apologize for DC's history of slavery?

Are the people of DC saying that there were benefits bestowed on some of the slaves by the forced acquisition of skills?

No. But neither are the people of any state but Florida. Why do people in South Carolina owe you an apology?

IF they are saying that there were benefits to slavery for the slaves, I think they need to correct that.

What I'm responding to is the tsk-tsk about why people who live in the south today haven't apologized about slavery. I'm confused about why we're giving DC and Maryland a pass. I am also confused about why if you live in the south, you're more responsible for this historic injustice than anyone else in the US. I'm not from the south, but I live in the south now. A year ago I didn't owe you an apology, but now I do. Make this make sense.

I dont know where this apology stuff is coming from. This thread is about offensive parts of the Florida educational standards.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:African-Americans are the most forgiving and resilient people on the planet. All they want is equality and acknowledgment of their history and the South can't even do that.

Do you expect the people of DC to apologize for DC's history of slavery?

Are the people of DC saying that there were benefits bestowed on some of the slaves by the forced acquisition of skills?

No. But neither are the people of any state but Florida. Why do people in South Carolina owe you an apology?

IF they are saying that there were benefits to slavery for the slaves, I think they need to correct that.

What I'm responding to is the tsk-tsk about why people who live in the south today haven't apologized about slavery. I'm confused about why we're giving DC and Maryland a pass. I am also confused about why if you live in the south, you're more responsible for this historic injustice than anyone else in the US. I'm not from the south, but I live in the south now. A year ago I didn't owe you an apology, but now I do. Make this make sense.

DP. NO ONE is asking you for an apology. This isn't about YOU! The only thing we are asking for is for the FL curriculum not to require teaching that there was any positive spin to acquiring job skills while being a slave. Is that so hard to understand?! Why are you people doubling down so hard on this?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:African-Americans are the most forgiving and resilient people on the planet. All they want is equality and acknowledgment of their history and the South can't even do that.

Do you expect the people of DC to apologize for DC's history of slavery?

Are the people of DC saying that there were benefits bestowed on some of the slaves by the forced acquisition of skills?

No. But neither are the people of any state but Florida. Why do people in South Carolina owe you an apology?

IF they are saying that there were benefits to slavery for the slaves, I think they need to correct that.

What I'm responding to is the tsk-tsk about why people who live in the south today haven't apologized about slavery. I'm confused about why we're giving DC and Maryland a pass. I am also confused about why if you live in the south, you're more responsible for this historic injustice than anyone else in the US. I'm not from the south, but I live in the south now. A year ago I didn't owe you an apology, but now I do. Make this make sense.

I dont know where this apology stuff is coming from. This thread is about offensive parts of the Florida educational standards.

Read the thread. People are complaining that southerners don't walk around apologizing to northerners about slavery. I presume this arose because Florida is in the south, and as another poster noted, the south had never been "put down" the way it should have. It seems that the posters on this thread would like the region that has more black people than any other region to live under the boot of northerners, offering apologies at random.

You know, if you want to see something interesting, Google maps that depict where BLM protests in 2020 occurred. You'd think it would be like the 1960s when black southerners resisted in order to force the end of Jim Crow, etc. You'd expect all kinds of activity in the south. Right?

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Anonymous wrote:I wasn't really paying attention to this news story because it appeared to be so obviously BS that it wasn't worth reading. Then I realized that was the wrong way to go, because if we quit paying attention to potential abuses of power, we won't notice them when they happen.

So I looked into this story and, well, it was intentionally misconstrued to smear Florida. I don't know why I bother.

Oh well by all means, share your proof with the class.

It’s still a dumb thing to say and a dumb way to say it. Were they more likely to earn a trade if they were slaves than if they were free? Hell No. So slavery didn’t give them skills. Working gave them skills and occasionally their aptitude was recognized and their owners rented them out as tradesmen, for the benefit of their owner. They would have learned more skills and benefited more from their skills if they were free. It’s not a “benefit” of slavery. If Florida can name the slaves who learned skilled trades, there weren’t very damn many of them. After the Civil War, there immediately were many more Black skilled tradesmen in many more industries than there had been in slavery because slavery had intentionally kept most of them ignorant and isolated as captive field hands.

Regardless, nothing stated is not true. They did learn skills that benefited them. And, this press release cites specific examples.
Sorry that disturbs you so.

Do you think that they may wanted to do something in life they desired to do opposed to their masters' will. Of course you didn't. Like their masters, you think you know what was best for grown ass people. Master was so benevolent to allow grown men and women to learn a skill outside of picking tobacco and cotton in the fields. Maybe these people did not want to be blacksmiths, cobble makers, seamstresses but wanted to simply be free to make their own decisions in life and become physicians, teachers, dentist, fathers and mothers. But I forget, so many white white folks back than and right now, think that Black folks are incapable of making decisions about their own life and they need to be led like children, i.e., enslaving them and allowing them to learn new skills to supplement master's net worth.

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Our education system has clearly failed as evidenced by the people who can't think critically and don't understand why this message is wrong, racist and just exasperating.

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This is the first step of a conservatives push to reinstate slavery. What I have heard is the next step is to calm descents of slaves do not have citizenship.

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Anonymous wrote:Go read the whole curriculum. This is one teeny part of the whole story. The horrors are included. Slavery was/is egregious. No matter how well some slaves may have been treated. There is no question of how horrible it is and was. (and, yes, slavery still exists in some places.)

But, some slaves were taught skills and did them well. Some were even able to purchase their own freedom--though I believe it was a very tiny percentage.
https://www.monticello.org/research-education/thomas-jefferson-encyclopedia/slaves-who-gained-freedom/

Again, a very small percentage.

Do you really think that all slaves were just field hands? They worked in factories, too.

Again, read the curriculum for the class. This is one tiny part of it. The horrors are also taught.

To listen to Harris, you would think this comprised the whole course.

You are still trying to justify something that is not justifiable. If you can't figure out why, that is not anyone else's fault or problem, however, words are important, ideas are important and what is being conveyed here is simply not the right way to cast it.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the first step of a conservatives push to reinstate slavery. What I have heard is the next step is to calm descents of slaves do not have citizenship.

Do you sincerely believe this?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wasn't really paying attention to this news story because it appeared to be so obviously BS that it wasn't worth reading. Then I realized that was the wrong way to go, because if we quit paying attention to potential abuses of power, we won't notice them when they happen.

So I looked into this story and, well, it was intentionally misconstrued to smear Florida. I don't know why I bother.

Oh well by all means, share your proof with the class.

It’s still a dumb thing to say and a dumb way to say it. Were they more likely to earn a trade if they were slaves than if they were free? Hell No. So slavery didn’t give them skills. Working gave them skills and occasionally their aptitude was recognized and their owners rented them out as tradesmen, for the benefit of their owner. They would have learned more skills and benefited more from their skills if they were free. It’s not a “benefit” of slavery. If Florida can name the slaves who learned skilled trades, there weren’t very damn many of them. After the Civil War, there immediately were many more Black skilled tradesmen in many more industries than there had been in slavery because slavery had intentionally kept most of them ignorant and isolated as captive field hands.

Regardless, nothing stated is not true. They did learn skills that benefited them. And, this press release cites specific examples.
Sorry that disturbs you so.

Do you think that they may wanted to do something in life they desired to do opposed to their masters' will. Of course you didn't. Like their masters, you think you know what was best for grown ass people. Master was so benevolent to allow grown men and women to learn a skill outside of picking tobacco and cotton in the fields. Maybe these people did not want to be blacksmiths, cobble makers, seamstresses but wanted to simply be free to make their own decisions in life and become physicians, teachers, dentist, fathers and mothers. But I forget, so many white white folks back than and right now, think that Black folks are incapable of making decisions about their own life and they need to be led like children, i.e., enslaving them and allowing them to learn new skills to supplement master's net worth.

+1

Our education system has clearly failed as evidenced by the people who can't think critically and don't understand why this message is wrong, racist and just exasperating.

I think the word they chose led to some confusion. But I also think they are being intentionally misconstrued for ragebait.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:African-Americans are the most forgiving and resilient people on the planet. All they want is equality and acknowledgment of their history and the South can't even do that.

Do you expect the people of DC to apologize for DC's history of slavery?

Are the people of DC saying that there were benefits bestowed on some of the slaves by the forced acquisition of skills?

No. But neither are the people of any state but Florida. Why do people in South Carolina owe you an apology?

IF they are saying that there were benefits to slavery for the slaves, I think they need to correct that.

What I'm responding to is the tsk-tsk about why people who live in the south today haven't apologized about slavery. I'm confused about why we're giving DC and Maryland a pass. I am also confused about why if you live in the south, you're more responsible for this historic injustice than anyone else in the US. I'm not from the south, but I live in the south now. A year ago I didn't owe you an apology, but now I do. Make this make sense.

DP. NO ONE is asking you for an apology. This isn't about YOU! The only thing we are asking for is for the FL curriculum not to require teaching that there was any positive spin to acquiring job skills while being a slave. Is that so hard to understand?! Why are you people doubling down so hard on this?

DP. Why are you arguing that there should be no acknowledgement of the positives that some slaves, or enslaved persons, made of their lives and their legacy?

Saying that it was ALL BAD for them is both inaccurate and a bad lesson for students. And disrespectful to the stories of their lives.

Show me where there were people who were happy to be enslaved. The idea that you don't think it was ALL BAD is certainly saying something. Talk about disrespectful!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:African-Americans are the most forgiving and resilient people on the planet. All they want is equality and acknowledgment of their history and the South can't even do that.

Do you expect the people of DC to apologize for DC's history of slavery?

Are the people of DC saying that there were benefits bestowed on some of the slaves by the forced acquisition of skills?

No. But neither are the people of any state but Florida. Why do people in South Carolina owe you an apology?

IF they are saying that there were benefits to slavery for the slaves, I think they need to correct that.

What I'm responding to is the tsk-tsk about why people who live in the south today haven't apologized about slavery. I'm confused about why we're giving DC and Maryland a pass. I am also confused about why if you live in the south, you're more responsible for this historic injustice than anyone else in the US. I'm not from the south, but I live in the south now. A year ago I didn't owe you an apology, but now I do. Make this make sense.

DP. As someone who has lived in the South, the West, and now the Mid-Atlantic, which is a bit Northern and a bit Southern, I think these posters are just very sheltered. And have not seen very much of this big beautiful country.

+1 and likely many of them very young and haven't studied the part about history where cotton grown in the south was sent for manufacturing purposes, which benefited greatly the manufacturers, their homes, universities, and lifestyles.

Speak for your own state. We were absolutely taught about the northern states role in perpetuating slavery. And were never thought that that depraved system was somehow beneficial to some of the slaves.

I noticed that you failed to apologize for your role in slavery.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:African-Americans are the most forgiving and resilient people on the planet. All they want is equality and acknowledgment of their history and the South can't even do that.

Do you expect the people of DC to apologize for DC's history of slavery?

Are the people of DC saying that there were benefits bestowed on some of the slaves by the forced acquisition of skills?

No. But neither are the people of any state but Florida. Why do people in South Carolina owe you an apology?

IF they are saying that there were benefits to slavery for the slaves, I think they need to correct that.

What I'm responding to is the tsk-tsk about why people who live in the south today haven't apologized about slavery. I'm confused about why we're giving DC and Maryland a pass. I am also confused about why if you live in the south, you're more responsible for this historic injustice than anyone else in the US. I'm not from the south, but I live in the south now. A year ago I didn't owe you an apology, but now I do. Make this make sense.

DP. NO ONE is asking you for an apology. This isn't about YOU! The only thing we are asking for is for the FL curriculum not to require teaching that there was any positive spin to acquiring job skills while being a slave. Is that so hard to understand?! Why are you people doubling down so hard on this?

DP. Why are you arguing that there should be no acknowledgement of the positives that some slaves, or enslaved persons, made of their lives and their legacy?

Saying that it was ALL BAD for them is both inaccurate and a bad lesson for students. And disrespectful to the stories of their lives.

I can't tell if you're trolling or being purposefully obtuse. Think about what you just wrote: "Saying that it was ALL BAD for them is both inaccurate and a bad lesson for students." Really think about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:African-Americans are the most forgiving and resilient people on the planet. All they want is equality and acknowledgment of their history and the South can't even do that.

Do you expect the people of DC to apologize for DC's history of slavery?

Are the people of DC saying that there were benefits bestowed on some of the slaves by the forced acquisition of skills?

No. But neither are the people of any state but Florida. Why do people in South Carolina owe you an apology?

IF they are saying that there were benefits to slavery for the slaves, I think they need to correct that.

What I'm responding to is the tsk-tsk about why people who live in the south today haven't apologized about slavery. I'm confused about why we're giving DC and Maryland a pass. I am also confused about why if you live in the south, you're more responsible for this historic injustice than anyone else in the US. I'm not from the south, but I live in the south now. A year ago I didn't owe you an apology, but now I do. Make this make sense.

I dont know where this apology stuff is coming from. This thread is about offensive parts of the Florida educational standards.

Read the thread. People are complaining that southerners don't walk around apologizing to northerners about slavery. I presume this arose because Florida is in the south, and as another poster noted, the south had never been "put down" the way it should have. It seems that the posters on this thread would like the region that has more black people than any other region to live under the boot of northerners, offering apologies at random.

You know, if you want to see something interesting, Google maps that depict where BLM protests in 2020 occurred. You'd think it would be like the 1960s when black southerners resisted in order to force the end of Jim Crow, etc. You'd expect all kinds of activity in the south. Right?

You realize people fly confederate flags in plenty of northern states now, including PA, MT, ID etc, right? Because the Confederates and the south were not fully put down after the Union Army victory, we are paying a price today.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:African-Americans are the most forgiving and resilient people on the planet. All they want is equality and acknowledgment of their history and the South can't even do that.

Do you expect the people of DC to apologize for DC's history of slavery?

Are the people of DC saying that there were benefits bestowed on some of the slaves by the forced acquisition of skills?

No. But neither are the people of any state but Florida. Why do people in South Carolina owe you an apology?

IF they are saying that there were benefits to slavery for the slaves, I think they need to correct that.

What I'm responding to is the tsk-tsk about why people who live in the south today haven't apologized about slavery. I'm confused about why we're giving DC and Maryland a pass. I am also confused about why if you live in the south, you're more responsible for this historic injustice than anyone else in the US. I'm not from the south, but I live in the south now. A year ago I didn't owe you an apology, but now I do. Make this make sense.

DP. As someone who has lived in the South, the West, and now the Mid-Atlantic, which is a bit Northern and a bit Southern, I think these posters are just very sheltered. And have not seen very much of this big beautiful country.

+1 and likely many of them very young and haven't studied the part about history where cotton grown in the south was sent for manufacturing purposes, which benefited greatly the manufacturers, their homes, universities, and lifestyles.

Speak for your own state. We were absolutely taught about the northern states role in perpetuating slavery. And were never thought that that depraved system was somehow beneficial to some of the slaves.

I noticed that you failed to apologize for your role in slavery.

I notice you want to change the point of this thread to something else that fixing the inaccurate educational curriculum of Florida. You think there were benefits to the slaves from slavery.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wasn't really paying attention to this news story because it appeared to be so obviously BS that it wasn't worth reading. Then I realized that was the wrong way to go, because if we quit paying attention to potential abuses of power, we won't notice them when they happen.

So I looked into this story and, well, it was intentionally misconstrued to smear Florida. I don't know why I bother.

Oh well by all means, share your proof with the class.

It’s still a dumb thing to say and a dumb way to say it. Were they more likely to earn a trade if they were slaves than if they were free? Hell No. So slavery didn’t give them skills. Working gave them skills and occasionally their aptitude was recognized and their owners rented them out as tradesmen, for the benefit of their owner. They would have learned more skills and benefited more from their skills if they were free. It’s not a “benefit” of slavery. If Florida can name the slaves who learned skilled trades, there weren’t very damn many of them. After the Civil War, there immediately were many more Black skilled tradesmen in many more industries than there had been in slavery because slavery had intentionally kept most of them ignorant and isolated as captive field hands.

Can you read? Do you have a brain and any understanding of what children can learn, both good and bad?

I wish I could say I'm surprised that you would argue about this ... but I'm not. SMH

Just how did these skills "benefit" the enslaved person who had them? What a bizarre things to say.

Of course it's fine to discuss how some enslaved people were highly skilled in various artisan fields, despite being held in bondage. To say they "benefited" from this is ahistorical. A person who is born enslaved and dies enslaved, never having experienced freedom, has never benefited from anything.

This statement is breathtaking.

246 years is a lot of heartbreak.

PP said that a person who is born enslaved and dies enslaved, never having experienced freedom, has never benefited from anything. Has never lived.

That's a terrible statement that these historians are pushing back against. PP cannot even see it. Doesn't realize it.

DP... What benefit? Being given a bare subsistence while being worked to death for no wages? Being kept as chattel property and not being ever allowed to make any of your own decisions? Being kept from being allowed to pursue any other life? That was the actual historical fact. If "these historians" aren't acknowledging that then either they aren't historians, or are liar.

Do YOU not even see it? Do YOU not realize it?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/27/opinion/sugar-land-texas-graves-slavery.html#:~:text=Slaves%20in%20the%20Louisiana%20sugar%20cane%20world%20lived,feared%20being%20sold%20into%20bondage%20in%20sugar%20fields.

Exactly. And in Louisiana and Florida the lifespan of a slave was seven-years. Slaves who did not accept their fate of being chattel were "sold down the river", meaning further south. That was the fear of slaves and was used to keep them in line. Seven-year life span, but yeah DeSantis wants to say slavery had their benefits. Damn disgusting. Let somebody separate him and the school board from their children and family and then subject them to servitude to be treated worse than they treated their dogs.