APS Closing Nottingham

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Anonymous wrote:Is there another elementary school that has had 3 pedestrian deaths within 2 blocks of tbe school in the last decade? Nottingham isn’t set up for the kind of traffic influx they would need. It can’t even handle the current traffic, where most people walk.

If it’s so dangerous for pedestrians maybe it makes sense to bus kids in and use it as swing space rather than have so many walkers.

If there was space for the buses needed to move 450-600 kids, I might agree with you. There is not in fact space for that amount of buses. Also this ignores that there will still be a significant added influx of cars due to extended day drop offs/pickups.

There is nothing more menacing than a series of distracted drivers racing the clock and treating your neighborhood like their highway/parking lot. The Tuckahoe neighborhood goes through this every few years with McConnell, and that is a well established school community. We’d be reinventing the wheel every year with the Airbnb approach APS has planned for Nottingham.

This is a bit more of a “sacrifice” to this community than which blue ribbon school we attend, and again, not one word about it in the APS analysis.

The biggest eye roll isn’t big enough. Lots of neighborhoods already have the traffic of which you speak. FFS, there are 3 schools within a few blocks of each other on Carlin Springs Rd all with the same start (during morning rush) and end times. If APS doesn’t give an eff about that, why should they fall over dead because a few buses will be “invading” your neighborhood. Also, it’s really galling that you liken your neighbors’ kids to a plague of locusts. Deal with it! Arlington is dense, crowded, full of traffic. Welcome!

Interesting choice of words. What’s a few dead rich white people, am I right?

WUT? APS staff is rich white people? “THEY” is APS staff, not Nottingham parents.

I am referring to the choice of words “drop dead”, which is exactly what happened to several individuals within sight of Nottingham due to design problems with that road.

But Carlin Springs, an arterial that intersects with other arterials, is busy, so us “rich white people” should just deal with a dangerous influx of cars on a deadly road not built to handle it. Do I got that right? Just want to understand the depth of the sacrifice we supposedly have no choice to make up here for the convenience of APS planning staff.

Have you seen the road in and out of Cardinal? Just checking.

Tiny violins is right.

Are you referring to State Route 27, Washington Boulevard? Yes, I travel that arterial road often - on foot, by car, and even occasionally by bus.

The main bus/car access to Cardinal is from McKinley Rd, which is a small road with SFH homes directly across from the access point. The other vehicle access point to the school is in the back through a narrow residential street as well. It's quite tight and there is a a lot of traffic and competing things in that area including a heavily used public library. There have been many concerns about all the kids walking to school in that area and the influx of cars and pedestrians, which understandably you are not aware of since you are concerned about Nottingham.

It is a very heavily trafficked area and imagine it has been that way for a long time with the shopping center, library, etc. I’m surprised there was so many concerns about traffic given the community’s desire for a neighborhood school serving Westover.

But I think we can all agree it’s one thing to suffer increased traffic for something that improves your neighborhood versus something that is more convenient for people undergoing temporary challenges at soon-to-be-renovated schools in other parts of the county.

Sounds like this is what it’s really about. “Other” kids coming into your neighborhood. As soon as people brought up the possibility of it being Southie kids. Really, SMH.

Ding Ding Ding! Can't wait for the Nottingham parents to start "advocating" on behalf of Randolph families. How in the world will those poor parents get to the swing space at Nottingham? You know they don't have cars and can't take the bus!

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Anonymous wrote:Why would you not just push out the population of the to-be renovated school into schools that are closer? Even if some kids are bussed to other schools, it is going to be better and shorter bus ride as opposed to trucking everyone to the north west corner of Arlington and destroying the heartbeat of an entire neighborhood?

Also, far less disruptive would be leasing office space as temporary swing space. They did this with the APS preschool, the one that provide space for APS employees- it seemed like a really nice space. Especially with the low occupancy rates of office space across Arlington

We don’t live in the immediate Nottingham surrounding neighborhood, and my child is old enough that he will not be impacted (he probably wants to be impacted and use the slide at Discovery). However, fundamentally, I don’t think students or neighborhoods should be sacrificed when there are other viable options.

I'm not sure I follow. You propose to move kids from a school being renovated to various nearby schools for the time during the renovation, and then back together again once the renovation is complete? You propose to overcrowd/disrupt multiple "nearby" neighborhood schools temporarily to do a renovation and then disrupt them again in a year when the renovation is complete? Rather than "destroy the heartbeat of an entire neighborhood" that must not beat all that strongly if it can't withstand a change in the location to where it sends its kids to school?

Yes, eventually you would re-open the school and children would attend it. Renovation will take years. Closing down Nottingham also overcrowds and disrupts the nearby schools - you think the Discovery families are going to be happy about having their kids in a trailer so kids from across the city can be bussed to Nottingham?
The heartbeat of the neighborhood is because the school is in the middle of the neighborhood and the hub of a lot activities.

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You lost me at heartbeat of the neighborhood.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there another elementary school that has had 3 pedestrian deaths within 2 blocks of tbe school in the last decade? Nottingham isn’t set up for the kind of traffic influx they would need. It can’t even handle the current traffic, where most people walk.

If it’s so dangerous for pedestrians maybe it makes sense to bus kids in and use it as swing space rather than have so many walkers.

If there was space for the buses needed to move 450-600 kids, I might agree with you. There is not in fact space for that amount of buses. Also this ignores that there will still be a significant added influx of cars due to extended day drop offs/pickups.

There is nothing more menacing than a series of distracted drivers racing the clock and treating your neighborhood like their highway/parking lot. The Tuckahoe neighborhood goes through this every few years with McConnell, and that is a well established school community. We’d be reinventing the wheel every year with the Airbnb approach APS has planned for Nottingham.

This is a bit more of a “sacrifice” to this community than which blue ribbon school we attend, and again, not one word about it in the APS analysis.

The biggest eye roll isn’t big enough. Lots of neighborhoods already have the traffic of which you speak. FFS, there are 3 schools within a few blocks of each other on Carlin Springs Rd all with the same start (during morning rush) and end times. If APS doesn’t give an eff about that, why should they fall over dead because a few buses will be “invading” your neighborhood. Also, it’s really galling that you liken your neighbors’ kids to a plague of locusts. Deal with it! Arlington is dense, crowded, full of traffic. Welcome!

Interesting choice of words. What’s a few dead rich white people, am I right?

WUT? APS staff is rich white people? “THEY” is APS staff, not Nottingham parents.

I am referring to the choice of words “drop dead”, which is exactly what happened to several individuals within sight of Nottingham due to design problems with that road.

But Carlin Springs, an arterial that intersects with other arterials, is busy, so us “rich white people” should just deal with a dangerous influx of cars on a deadly road not built to handle it. Do I got that right? Just want to understand the depth of the sacrifice we supposedly have no choice to make up here for the convenience of APS planning staff.

Have you seen the road in and out of Cardinal? Just checking.

Tiny violins is right.

Are you referring to State Route 27, Washington Boulevard? Yes, I travel that arterial road often - on foot, by car, and even occasionally by bus.

The main bus/car access to Cardinal is from McKinley Rd, which is a small road with SFH homes directly across from the access point. The other vehicle access point to the school is in the back through a narrow residential street as well. It's quite tight and there is a a lot of traffic and competing things in that area including a heavily used public library. There have been many concerns about all the kids walking to school in that area and the influx of cars and pedestrians, which understandably you are not aware of since you are concerned about Nottingham.

It is a very heavily trafficked area and imagine it has been that way for a long time with the shopping center, library, etc. I’m surprised there was so many concerns about traffic given the community’s desire for a neighborhood school serving Westover.

But I think we can all agree it’s one thing to suffer increased traffic for something that improves your neighborhood versus something that is more convenient for people undergoing temporary challenges at soon-to-be-renovated schools in other parts of the county.

You mean community sacrifice, like when people who lived near McKinley gave up their walkable elementary school so that it could be switched over to a option school, and now need to get bused to Cardinal or Ashlawn? Is that the kind of unfamiliar "good for everybody not just myself" choice you are referring to? Not sure you have heard of this, check back in if you need more information about this kind of thing.

I don’t support option schools. I think they were a good idea during the declining enrollment years of the 1990s and early 2000s because they kept people invested in public schools instead of moving to FFX or going private. With the capacity issues we are facing today, it does not make sense to keep them. People like them because it allows them to spend $1.2m on their home instead of $1.8m and still surround their kids with highly motivated peers, but let’s call it for what it is - a lucky lottery for the few that everyone else has to pay for.

If there is a demonstrated educational benefit from any of these programs it should be rolled out more broadly. Otherwise, neighborhood schools for all and targeted transfer zones where it makes sense.

Yeah, those school are only for rich white kids. They’ve earned it.

And really? Only schools with exclusively 1.8 mil SFHs are full of motivated kids?!? Do you hear yourself?

Please don’t be obtuse. Option schools are filled with people who would prefer to not send their kids to school with their neighbors. They lobby for lottery slots and fight any thought of ending them because it would end a perceived advantage that they think they have. The advantage being that they get to pick a “better” peer group than the one they moved into. If these option schools have a special sauce then their methods should be applied across the board. Other than a highly motivated family base, they do not have any advantage.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there another elementary school that has had 3 pedestrian deaths within 2 blocks of tbe school in the last decade? Nottingham isn’t set up for the kind of traffic influx they would need. It can’t even handle the current traffic, where most people walk.

If it’s so dangerous for pedestrians maybe it makes sense to bus kids in and use it as swing space rather than have so many walkers.

If there was space for the buses needed to move 450-600 kids, I might agree with you. There is not in fact space for that amount of buses. Also this ignores that there will still be a significant added influx of cars due to extended day drop offs/pickups.

There is nothing more menacing than a series of distracted drivers racing the clock and treating your neighborhood like their highway/parking lot. The Tuckahoe neighborhood goes through this every few years with McConnell, and that is a well established school community. We’d be reinventing the wheel every year with the Airbnb approach APS has planned for Nottingham.

This is a bit more of a “sacrifice” to this community than which blue ribbon school we attend, and again, not one word about it in the APS analysis.

The biggest eye roll isn’t big enough. Lots of neighborhoods already have the traffic of which you speak. FFS, there are 3 schools within a few blocks of each other on Carlin Springs Rd all with the same start (during morning rush) and end times. If APS doesn’t give an eff about that, why should they fall over dead because a few buses will be “invading” your neighborhood. Also, it’s really galling that you liken your neighbors’ kids to a plague of locusts. Deal with it! Arlington is dense, crowded, full of traffic. Welcome!

Interesting choice of words. What’s a few dead rich white people, am I right?

WUT? APS staff is rich white people? “THEY” is APS staff, not Nottingham parents.

I am referring to the choice of words “drop dead”, which is exactly what happened to several individuals within sight of Nottingham due to design problems with that road.

But Carlin Springs, an arterial that intersects with other arterials, is busy, so us “rich white people” should just deal with a dangerous influx of cars on a deadly road not built to handle it. Do I got that right? Just want to understand the depth of the sacrifice we supposedly have no choice to make up here for the convenience of APS planning staff.

Have you seen the road in and out of Cardinal? Just checking.

Tiny violins is right.

Are you referring to State Route 27, Washington Boulevard? Yes, I travel that arterial road often - on foot, by car, and even occasionally by bus.

The main bus/car access to Cardinal is from McKinley Rd, which is a small road with SFH homes directly across from the access point. The other vehicle access point to the school is in the back through a narrow residential street as well. It's quite tight and there is a a lot of traffic and competing things in that area including a heavily used public library. There have been many concerns about all the kids walking to school in that area and the influx of cars and pedestrians, which understandably you are not aware of since you are concerned about Nottingham.

It is a very heavily trafficked area and imagine it has been that way for a long time with the shopping center, library, etc. I’m surprised there was so many concerns about traffic given the community’s desire for a neighborhood school serving Westover.

But I think we can all agree it’s one thing to suffer increased traffic for something that improves your neighborhood versus something that is more convenient for people undergoing temporary challenges at soon-to-be-renovated schools in other parts of the county.

Sounds like this is what it’s really about. “Other” kids coming into your neighborhood. As soon as people brought up the possibility of it being Southie kids. Really, SMH.

No, it's not about that, and that doesn't even make sense. Their kids will attend Tuckahoe or Discovery - other wealthy, non-diverse N. Arlington Elementary schools.

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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Is there another elementary school that has had 3 pedestrian deaths within 2 blocks of tbe school in the last decade? Nottingham isn’t set up for the kind of traffic influx they would need. It can’t even handle the current traffic, where most people walk. [/quote]

If it’s so dangerous for pedestrians maybe it makes sense to bus kids in and use it as swing space rather than have so many walkers. [/quote]

If there was space for the buses needed to move 450-600 kids, I might agree with you. There is not in fact space for that amount of buses. Also this ignores that there will still be a significant added influx of cars due to extended day drop offs/pickups.

There is nothing more menacing than a series of distracted drivers racing the clock and treating your neighborhood like their highway/parking lot. The Tuckahoe neighborhood goes through this every few years with McConnell, and that is a well established school community. We’d be reinventing the wheel every year with the Airbnb approach APS has planned for Nottingham.

This is a bit more of a “sacrifice” to this community than which blue ribbon school we attend, and again, not one word about it in the APS analysis. [/quote]

The biggest eye roll isn’t big enough. Lots of neighborhoods already have the traffic of which you speak. FFS, there are 3 schools within a few blocks of each other on Carlin Springs Rd all with the same start (during morning rush) and end times. If APS doesn’t give an eff about that, why should they [b]fall over dead[/b] because a few buses will be “invading” your neighborhood. Also, it’s really galling that you liken your neighbors’ kids to a plague of locusts. Deal with it! Arlington is dense, crowded, full of traffic. Welcome! [/quote]

Interesting choice of words. What’s a few dead rich white people, am I right?
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WUT? APS staff is rich white people? “THEY” is APS staff, not Nottingham parents. [/quote]

I am referring to the choice of words “drop dead”, which is exactly what happened to several individuals within sight of Nottingham due to design problems with that road.

But Carlin Springs, an arterial that intersects with other arterials, is busy, so us “rich white people” should just deal with a dangerous influx of cars on a deadly road not built to handle it. Do I got that right? Just want to understand the depth of the sacrifice we supposedly have no choice to make up here for the convenience of APS planning staff. [/quote]

[b]Have you seen the road in and out of Cardinal?[/b] Just checking.

Tiny violins is right.[/quote]

Are you referring to State Route 27, Washington Boulevard? Yes, I travel that arterial road often - on foot, by car, and even occasionally by bus. [/quote]

The main bus/car access to Cardinal is from McKinley Rd, which is a small road with SFH homes directly across from the access point. The other vehicle access point to the school is in the back through a narrow residential street as well. It's quite tight and there is a a lot of traffic and competing things in that area including a heavily used public library. There have been many concerns about all the kids walking to school in that area and the influx of cars and pedestrians, which understandably you are not aware of since you are concerned about Nottingham. [/quote]

It is a very heavily trafficked area and imagine it has been that way for a long time with the shopping center, library, etc. I’m surprised there was so many concerns about traffic given the community’s desire for a neighborhood school serving Westover.

But I think we can all agree it’s one thing to suffer increased traffic for something that improves your neighborhood versus something that is more convenient for people undergoing temporary challenges at soon-to-be-renovated schools in other parts of the county. [/quote]

You mean community sacrifice, like when people who lived near McKinley gave up their walkable elementary school so that it could be switched over to a option school, and now need to get bused to Cardinal or Ashlawn? Is that the kind of unfamiliar "good for everybody not just myself" choice you are referring to? Not sure you have heard of this, check back in if you need more information about this kind of thing.[/quote]

I don’t support option schools. I think they were a good idea during the declining enrollment years of the 1990s and early 2000s because they kept people invested in public schools instead of moving to FFX or going private. With the capacity issues we are facing today, it does not make sense to keep them. People like them because it allows them to spend $1.2m on their home instead of $1.8m and still [b]surround their kids with highly motivated peers, [/b]but let’s call it for what it is - a lucky lottery for the few that everyone else has to pay for.

If there is a demonstrated educational benefit from any of these programs it should be rolled out more broadly. Otherwise, neighborhood schools for all and targeted transfer zones where it makes sense. [/quote]

Yeah, those school are only for rich white kids. They’ve earned it.

And really? Only schools with exclusively 1.8 mil SFHs are full of motivated kids?!? Do you hear yourself? [/quote]

Please don’t be obtuse. Option schools are filled with people who would prefer to not send their kids to school with their neighbors. They lobby for lottery slots and fight any thought of ending them because it would end a perceived advantage that they think they have. The advantage being that they get to pick a “better” peer group than the one they moved into. If these option schools have a special sauce then their methods should be applied across the board. Other than a highly motivated family base, they do not have any advantage. [/quote]

Rich white neighborhood schools are filled with people who’d prefer not to send their kids to school with their Arlington neighbors. FTFY. Let’s not pretend. It’s only okay if you can pay for the privilege? That’s your argument.

Also, we’ve been over this a ton: more kids at ATS are from NORTH Arlington. Same with HB. Campbell and Key are Title 1 schools. Claremont and MPSA have fr/l rates triple the schools surrounding Nottingham.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there another elementary school that has had 3 pedestrian deaths within 2 blocks of tbe school in the last decade? Nottingham isn’t set up for the kind of traffic influx they would need. It can’t even handle the current traffic, where most people walk.

If it’s so dangerous for pedestrians maybe it makes sense to bus kids in and use it as swing space rather than have so many walkers.

If there was space for the buses needed to move 450-600 kids, I might agree with you. There is not in fact space for that amount of buses. Also this ignores that there will still be a significant added influx of cars due to extended day drop offs/pickups.

There is nothing more menacing than a series of distracted drivers racing the clock and treating your neighborhood like their highway/parking lot. The Tuckahoe neighborhood goes through this every few years with McConnell, and that is a well established school community. We’d be reinventing the wheel every year with the Airbnb approach APS has planned for Nottingham.

This is a bit more of a “sacrifice” to this community than which blue ribbon school we attend, and again, not one word about it in the APS analysis.

The biggest eye roll isn’t big enough. Lots of neighborhoods already have the traffic of which you speak. FFS, there are 3 schools within a few blocks of each other on Carlin Springs Rd all with the same start (during morning rush) and end times. If APS doesn’t give an eff about that, why should they fall over dead because a few buses will be “invading” your neighborhood. Also, it’s really galling that you liken your neighbors’ kids to a plague of locusts. Deal with it! Arlington is dense, crowded, full of traffic. Welcome!

Interesting choice of words. What’s a few dead rich white people, am I right?

WUT? APS staff is rich white people? “THEY” is APS staff, not Nottingham parents.

I am referring to the choice of words “drop dead”, which is exactly what happened to several individuals within sight of Nottingham due to design problems with that road.

But Carlin Springs, an arterial that intersects with other arterials, is busy, so us “rich white people” should just deal with a dangerous influx of cars on a deadly road not built to handle it. Do I got that right? Just want to understand the depth of the sacrifice we supposedly have no choice to make up here for the convenience of APS planning staff.

Have you seen the road in and out of Cardinal? Just checking.

Tiny violins is right.

Are you referring to State Route 27, Washington Boulevard? Yes, I travel that arterial road often - on foot, by car, and even occasionally by bus.

The main bus/car access to Cardinal is from McKinley Rd, which is a small road with SFH homes directly across from the access point. The other vehicle access point to the school is in the back through a narrow residential street as well. It's quite tight and there is a a lot of traffic and competing things in that area including a heavily used public library. There have been many concerns about all the kids walking to school in that area and the influx of cars and pedestrians, which understandably you are not aware of since you are concerned about Nottingham.

It is a very heavily trafficked area and imagine it has been that way for a long time with the shopping center, library, etc. I’m surprised there was so many concerns about traffic given the community’s desire for a neighborhood school serving Westover.

But I think we can all agree it’s one thing to suffer increased traffic for something that improves your neighborhood versus something that is more convenient for people undergoing temporary challenges at soon-to-be-renovated schools in other parts of the county.

Sounds like this is what it’s really about. “Other” kids coming into your neighborhood. As soon as people brought up the possibility of it being Southie kids. Really, SMH.

No, it's not about that, and that doesn't even make sense. Their kids will attend Tuckahoe or Discovery - other wealthy, non-diverse N. Arlington Elementary schools.

But which kids will be taking over Nottingham? Kids that don’t belong there, by right? That’s the point.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there another elementary school that has had 3 pedestrian deaths within 2 blocks of tbe school in the last decade? Nottingham isn’t set up for the kind of traffic influx they would need. It can’t even handle the current traffic, where most people walk.

If it’s so dangerous for pedestrians maybe it makes sense to bus kids in and use it as swing space rather than have so many walkers.

If there was space for the buses needed to move 450-600 kids, I might agree with you. There is not in fact space for that amount of buses. Also this ignores that there will still be a significant added influx of cars due to extended day drop offs/pickups.

There is nothing more menacing than a series of distracted drivers racing the clock and treating your neighborhood like their highway/parking lot. The Tuckahoe neighborhood goes through this every few years with McConnell, and that is a well established school community. We’d be reinventing the wheel every year with the Airbnb approach APS has planned for Nottingham.

This is a bit more of a “sacrifice” to this community than which blue ribbon school we attend, and again, not one word about it in the APS analysis.

The biggest eye roll isn’t big enough. Lots of neighborhoods already have the traffic of which you speak. FFS, there are 3 schools within a few blocks of each other on Carlin Springs Rd all with the same start (during morning rush) and end times. If APS doesn’t give an eff about that, why should they fall over dead because a few buses will be “invading” your neighborhood. Also, it’s really galling that you liken your neighbors’ kids to a plague of locusts. Deal with it! Arlington is dense, crowded, full of traffic. Welcome!

Interesting choice of words. What’s a few dead rich white people, am I right?

WUT? APS staff is rich white people? “THEY” is APS staff, not Nottingham parents.

I am referring to the choice of words “drop dead”, which is exactly what happened to several individuals within sight of Nottingham due to design problems with that road.

But Carlin Springs, an arterial that intersects with other arterials, is busy, so us “rich white people” should just deal with a dangerous influx of cars on a deadly road not built to handle it. Do I got that right? Just want to understand the depth of the sacrifice we supposedly have no choice to make up here for the convenience of APS planning staff.

Have you seen the road in and out of Cardinal? Just checking.

Tiny violins is right.

Are you referring to State Route 27, Washington Boulevard? Yes, I travel that arterial road often - on foot, by car, and even occasionally by bus.

The main bus/car access to Cardinal is from McKinley Rd, which is a small road with SFH homes directly across from the access point. The other vehicle access point to the school is in the back through a narrow residential street as well. It's quite tight and there is a a lot of traffic and competing things in that area including a heavily used public library. There have been many concerns about all the kids walking to school in that area and the influx of cars and pedestrians, which understandably you are not aware of since you are concerned about Nottingham.

It is a very heavily trafficked area and imagine it has been that way for a long time with the shopping center, library, etc. I’m surprised there was so many concerns about traffic given the community’s desire for a neighborhood school serving Westover.

But I think we can all agree it’s one thing to suffer increased traffic for something that improves your neighborhood versus something that is more convenient for people undergoing temporary challenges at soon-to-be-renovated schools in other parts of the county.

Sounds like this is what it’s really about. “Other” kids coming into your neighborhood. As soon as people brought up the possibility of it being Southie kids. Really, SMH.

No, it's not about that, and that doesn't even make sense. Their kids will attend Tuckahoe or Discovery - other wealthy, non-diverse N. Arlington Elementary schools.

It’s the busses and cars, folks. Turning a 90% walk school into a 100% drop off school, while also forcing more Nottingham kids into cars for their treks to Nottingham and Discovery. Same outcome as if they were coming from Randolph, Jamestown, or more likely, both over subsequent years.

I know this doesn’t fit the “rich white racist a-holes in the North hate us Southies” bias but trust me when I say it’s that simple. We got all types up here, including people who paid less for their 22207 homes than you did for yours in 22204. People have died on these roads. It’s not a made up concern.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there another elementary school that has had 3 pedestrian deaths within 2 blocks of tbe school in the last decade? Nottingham isn’t set up for the kind of traffic influx they would need. It can’t even handle the current traffic, where most people walk.

Sounds like eliminating walkers is a good idea, if pedestrians are in such danger.

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Anonymous wrote:County projecting in 5 years we will have a surplus of over 1,000 elementary seats. That sounds...optimistic.

Based on what I wonder. There has been a lot of turnover and lots of new kids in the neighborhood. Pandemic dip was a blip driven by desperate parents who could afford alternatives. We’re coming back.

There’s absolutely no facts/data to support this one way or the other. It’s 1,000 kids going to private school and APS doesn’t know or care to know if they are ever coming back. And if they leave for good, what does that mean for other families in the neighborhood when it’s normal to send your kids to private schools?

I have zero confidence in APS planning/projections. I understand that as a member of the public school community we need to every once in a while deal with these adjustments. APS has convinced me that they are totally incompetent at predicting seats so why should we all run around like crazy people on an annual basis trying to fill seats that APS couldn’t accurately predict?

They need better, outside data before I believe that these moves actually need to be made. They have wasted our money long enough on poor planning and annual neighborhood fights over boundaries.

neighborhood fights over boundaries has been a direct cause of the poor APS decisions over the years. People need to stop pushing back every time APS proposes a needed change.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like a good plan. My kids are zoned for Nottingham but it makes sense to me. Nearby school are easy enough to get to and walkable for many, including the two busloads of kids who currently get bussed to Nottingham despite being in the walking zone for other schools.

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Are your kids not there yet? It’s very disruptive to have to leave friends and go to a new school in 5th grade which is what would happen to the current 1st graders.

And they will come back together in 6th grade a year later? Also they will be moving with a portion of their peers.

My kids are at Ashlawn where kids get split to Kenmore and Swanson. Then they get split again between the high schools. It’s not an issue.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there another elementary school that has had 3 pedestrian deaths within 2 blocks of tbe school in the last decade? Nottingham isn’t set up for the kind of traffic influx they would need. It can’t even handle the current traffic, where most people walk.

If it’s so dangerous for pedestrians maybe it makes sense to bus kids in and use it as swing space rather than have so many walkers.

If there was space for the buses needed to move 450-600 kids, I might agree with you. There is not in fact space for that amount of buses. Also this ignores that there will still be a significant added influx of cars due to extended day drop offs/pickups.

There is nothing more menacing than a series of distracted drivers racing the clock and treating your neighborhood like their highway/parking lot. The Tuckahoe neighborhood goes through this every few years with McConnell, and that is a well established school community. We’d be reinventing the wheel every year with the Airbnb approach APS has planned for Nottingham.

This is a bit more of a “sacrifice” to this community than which blue ribbon school we attend, and again, not one word about it in the APS analysis.

The biggest eye roll isn’t big enough. Lots of neighborhoods already have the traffic of which you speak. FFS, there are 3 schools within a few blocks of each other on Carlin Springs Rd all with the same start (during morning rush) and end times. If APS doesn’t give an eff about that, why should they fall over dead because a few buses will be “invading” your neighborhood. Also, it’s really galling that you liken your neighbors’ kids to a plague of locusts. Deal with it! Arlington is dense, crowded, full of traffic. Welcome!

Interesting choice of words. What’s a few dead rich white people, am I right?

WUT? APS staff is rich white people? “THEY” is APS staff, not Nottingham parents.

I am referring to the choice of words “drop dead”, which is exactly what happened to several individuals within sight of Nottingham due to design problems with that road.

But Carlin Springs, an arterial that intersects with other arterials, is busy, so us “rich white people” should just deal with a dangerous influx of cars on a deadly road not built to handle it. Do I got that right? Just want to understand the depth of the sacrifice we supposedly have no choice to make up here for the convenience of APS planning staff.

Have you seen the road in and out of Cardinal? Just checking.

Tiny violins is right.

Are you referring to State Route 27, Washington Boulevard? Yes, I travel that arterial road often - on foot, by car, and even occasionally by bus.

The main bus/car access to Cardinal is from McKinley Rd, which is a small road with SFH homes directly across from the access point. The other vehicle access point to the school is in the back through a narrow residential street as well. It's quite tight and there is a a lot of traffic and competing things in that area including a heavily used public library. There have been many concerns about all the kids walking to school in that area and the influx of cars and pedestrians, which understandably you are not aware of since you are concerned about Nottingham.

It is a very heavily trafficked area and imagine it has been that way for a long time with the shopping center, library, etc. I’m surprised there was so many concerns about traffic given the community’s desire for a neighborhood school serving Westover.

But I think we can all agree it’s one thing to suffer increased traffic for something that improves your neighborhood versus something that is more convenient for people undergoing temporary challenges at soon-to-be-renovated schools in other parts of the county.

Sounds like this is what it’s really about. “Other” kids coming into your neighborhood. As soon as people brought up the possibility of it being Southie kids. Really, SMH.

No, it's not about that, and that doesn't even make sense. Their kids will attend Tuckahoe or Discovery - other wealthy, non-diverse N. Arlington Elementary schools.

It’s the busses and cars, folks. Turning a 90% walk school into a 100% drop off school, while also forcing more Nottingham kids into cars for their treks to Nottingham and Discovery. Same outcome as if they were coming from Randolph, Jamestown, or more likely, both over subsequent years.

I know this doesn’t fit the “rich white racist a-holes in the North hate us Southies” bias but trust me when I say it’s that simple. We got all types up here, including people who paid less for their 22207 homes than you did for yours in 22204. People have died on these roads. It’s not a made up concern.

Sorry this isn’t believable. You don’t want your neighborhood school to close and I get it. There is traffic all over this County and many schools dealing with these issues day in and day out. The County should and will work with you to alleviate problematic spots for pedestrians. If that’s really your concern, start working on that part of things.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there another elementary school that has had 3 pedestrian deaths within 2 blocks of tbe school in the last decade? Nottingham isn’t set up for the kind of traffic influx they would need. It can’t even handle the current traffic, where most people walk.

If it’s so dangerous for pedestrians maybe it makes sense to bus kids in and use it as swing space rather than have so many walkers.

If there was space for the buses needed to move 450-600 kids, I might agree with you. There is not in fact space for that amount of buses. Also this ignores that there will still be a significant added influx of cars due to extended day drop offs/pickups.

There is nothing more menacing than a series of distracted drivers racing the clock and treating your neighborhood like their highway/parking lot. The Tuckahoe neighborhood goes through this every few years with McConnell, and that is a well established school community. We’d be reinventing the wheel every year with the Airbnb approach APS has planned for Nottingham.

This is a bit more of a “sacrifice” to this community than which blue ribbon school we attend, and again, not one word about it in the APS analysis.

Look, I've seen Nottingham's property. You have more space than you know what to do with up there. Why don't you take a look at just about any other school in the system and see how they manage buses and cars and how most of the County lives, and how half of it lives every day year round.

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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Is there another elementary school that has had 3 pedestrian deaths within 2 blocks of tbe school in the last decade? Nottingham isn’t set up for the kind of traffic influx they would need. It can’t even handle the current traffic, where most people walk. [/quote]

If it’s so dangerous for pedestrians maybe it makes sense to bus kids in and use it as swing space rather than have so many walkers. [/quote]

If there was space for the buses needed to move 450-600 kids, I might agree with you. There is not in fact space for that amount of buses. Also this ignores that there will still be a significant added influx of cars due to extended day drop offs/pickups.

There is nothing more menacing than a series of distracted drivers racing the clock and treating your neighborhood like their highway/parking lot. The Tuckahoe neighborhood goes through this every few years with McConnell, and that is a well established school community. We’d be reinventing the wheel every year with the Airbnb approach APS has planned for Nottingham.

This is a bit more of a “sacrifice” to this community than which blue ribbon school we attend, and again, not one word about it in the APS analysis. [/quote]

The biggest eye roll isn’t big enough. Lots of neighborhoods already have the traffic of which you speak. FFS, there are 3 schools within a few blocks of each other on Carlin Springs Rd all with the same start (during morning rush) and end times. If APS doesn’t give an eff about that, why should they [b]fall over dead[/b] because a few buses will be “invading” your neighborhood. Also, it’s really galling that you liken your neighbors’ kids to a plague of locusts. Deal with it! Arlington is dense, crowded, full of traffic. Welcome! [/quote]

Interesting choice of words. What’s a few dead rich white people, am I right?
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WUT? APS staff is rich white people? “THEY” is APS staff, not Nottingham parents. [/quote]

I am referring to the choice of words “drop dead”, which is exactly what happened to several individuals within sight of Nottingham due to design problems with that road.

But Carlin Springs, an arterial that intersects with other arterials, is busy, so us “rich white people” should just deal with a dangerous influx of cars on a deadly road not built to handle it. Do I got that right? Just want to understand the depth of the sacrifice we supposedly have no choice to make up here for the convenience of APS planning staff. [/quote]

[b]Have you seen the road in and out of Cardinal?[/b] Just checking.

Tiny violins is right.[/quote]

Are you referring to State Route 27, Washington Boulevard? Yes, I travel that arterial road often - on foot, by car, and even occasionally by bus. [/quote]

The main bus/car access to Cardinal is from McKinley Rd, which is a small road with SFH homes directly across from the access point. The other vehicle access point to the school is in the back through a narrow residential street as well. It's quite tight and there is a a lot of traffic and competing things in that area including a heavily used public library. There have been many concerns about all the kids walking to school in that area and the influx of cars and pedestrians, which understandably you are not aware of since you are concerned about Nottingham. [/quote]

It is a very heavily trafficked area and imagine it has been that way for a long time with the shopping center, library, etc. I’m surprised there was so many concerns about traffic given the community’s desire for a neighborhood school serving Westover.

But I think we can all agree it’s one thing to suffer increased traffic for something that improves your neighborhood versus something that is more convenient for people undergoing temporary challenges at soon-to-be-renovated schools in other parts of the county. [/quote]

You mean community sacrifice, like when people who lived near McKinley gave up their walkable elementary school so that it could be switched over to a option school, and now need to get bused to Cardinal or Ashlawn? Is that the kind of unfamiliar "good for everybody not just myself" choice you are referring to? Not sure you have heard of this, check back in if you need more information about this kind of thing.[/quote]

I don’t support option schools. I think they were a good idea during the declining enrollment years of the 1990s and early 2000s because they kept people invested in public schools instead of moving to FFX or going private. With the capacity issues we are facing today, it does not make sense to keep them. People like them because it allows them to spend $1.2m on their home instead of $1.8m and still [b]surround their kids with highly motivated peers, [/b]but let’s call it for what it is - a lucky lottery for the few that everyone else has to pay for.

If there is a demonstrated educational benefit from any of these programs it should be rolled out more broadly. Otherwise, neighborhood schools for all and targeted transfer zones where it makes sense. [/quote]

Yeah, those school are only for rich white kids. They’ve earned it.

And really? Only schools with exclusively 1.8 mil SFHs are full of motivated kids?!? Do you hear yourself? [/quote]

Please don’t be obtuse. Option schools are filled with people who would prefer to not send their kids to school with their neighbors. They lobby for lottery slots and fight any thought of ending them because it would end a perceived advantage that they think they have. The advantage being that they get to pick a “better” peer group than the one they moved into. If these option schools have a special sauce then their methods should be applied across the board. Other than a highly motivated family base, they do not have any advantage. [/quote]

Rich white neighborhood schools are filled with people who’d prefer not to send their kids to school with their Arlington neighbors. FTFY. Let’s not pretend. It’s only okay if you can pay for the privilege? That’s your argument.

Also, we’ve been over this a ton: more kids at ATS are from NORTH Arlington. Same with HB. Campbell and Key are Title 1 schools. Claremont and MPSA have fr/l rates triple the schools surrounding Nottingham. [/quote]

So you’re saying that ATS and HB are not very popular among the poorer populations that might actually stand to benefit? That people might prefer schools closer to home?

All the more reason to ditch the option schools.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there another elementary school that has had 3 pedestrian deaths within 2 blocks of tbe school in the last decade? Nottingham isn’t set up for the kind of traffic influx they would need. It can’t even handle the current traffic, where most people walk.

If it’s so dangerous for pedestrians maybe it makes sense to bus kids in and use it as swing space rather than have so many walkers.

If there was space for the buses needed to move 450-600 kids, I might agree with you. There is not in fact space for that amount of buses. Also this ignores that there will still be a significant added influx of cars due to extended day drop offs/pickups.

There is nothing more menacing than a series of distracted drivers racing the clock and treating your neighborhood like their highway/parking lot. The Tuckahoe neighborhood goes through this every few years with McConnell, and that is a well established school community. We’d be reinventing the wheel every year with the Airbnb approach APS has planned for Nottingham.

This is a bit more of a “sacrifice” to this community than which blue ribbon school we attend, and again, not one word about it in the APS analysis.

The biggest eye roll isn’t big enough. Lots of neighborhoods already have the traffic of which you speak. FFS, there are 3 schools within a few blocks of each other on Carlin Springs Rd all with the same start (during morning rush) and end times. If APS doesn’t give an eff about that, why should they fall over dead because a few buses will be “invading” your neighborhood. Also, it’s really galling that you liken your neighbors’ kids to a plague of locusts. Deal with it! Arlington is dense, crowded, full of traffic. Welcome!

Interesting choice of words. What’s a few dead rich white people, am I right?

Wow. The snow is even more blinding than I imagined up there.