APS Closing Nottingham

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Anonymous wrote:Worlds tiniest violin playing for Nottingham parents. The article in ArlNow has quotes from parents talking about their property values and it feeling like having to go to Mexico for school…

This quote from ArlNow:

"We have been so looking forward to sending our now-toddler-age children there when they reach elementary-age in a few short years and would be sincerely crushed to see them reassigned to another Arlington school — one that is potentially either not within walking distance or not as highly-rated as Nottingham,” Price said.

The proposal could disrupt educational plans for new homeowners, like Price.

“Should the motion pass, it would… potentially drive us to consider moving to a more stable school district outside of Arlington,” she said. “We also worry how this decision would impact our home’s resale values down the line.”

Bonkers.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there another elementary school that has had 3 pedestrian deaths within 2 blocks of tbe school in the last decade? Nottingham isn’t set up for the kind of traffic influx they would need. It can’t even handle the current traffic, where most people walk.

If it’s so dangerous for pedestrians maybe it makes sense to bus kids in and use it as swing space rather than have so many walkers.

If there was space for the buses needed to move 450-600 kids, I might agree with you. There is not in fact space for that amount of buses. Also this ignores that there will still be a significant added influx of cars due to extended day drop offs/pickups.

There is nothing more menacing than a series of distracted drivers racing the clock and treating your neighborhood like their highway/parking lot. The Tuckahoe neighborhood goes through this every few years with McConnell, and that is a well established school community. We’d be reinventing the wheel every year with the Airbnb approach APS has planned for Nottingham.

This is a bit more of a “sacrifice” to this community than which blue ribbon school we attend, and again, not one word about it in the APS analysis.

The biggest eye roll isn’t big enough. Lots of neighborhoods already have the traffic of which you speak. FFS, there are 3 schools within a few blocks of each other on Carlin Springs Rd all with the same start (during morning rush) and end times. If APS doesn’t give an eff about that, why should they fall over dead because a few buses will be “invading” your neighborhood. Also, it’s really galling that you liken your neighbors’ kids to a plague of locusts. Deal with it! Arlington is dense, crowded, full of traffic. Welcome!

Interesting choice of words. What’s a few dead rich white people, am I right?

WUT? APS staff is rich white people? “THEY” is APS staff, not Nottingham parents.

I am referring to the choice of words “drop dead”, which is exactly what happened to several individuals within sight of Nottingham due to design problems with that road.

But Carlin Springs, an arterial that intersects with other arterials, is busy, so us “rich white people” should just deal with a dangerous influx of cars on a deadly road not built to handle it. Do I got that right? Just want to understand the depth of the sacrifice we supposedly have no choice to make up here for the convenience of APS planning staff.

Have you seen the road in and out of Cardinal? Just checking.

Tiny violins is right.

Are you referring to State Route 27, Washington Boulevard? Yes, I travel that arterial road often - on foot, by car, and even occasionally by bus.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there another elementary school that has had 3 pedestrian deaths within 2 blocks of tbe school in the last decade? Nottingham isn’t set up for the kind of traffic influx they would need. It can’t even handle the current traffic, where most people walk.

If it’s so dangerous for pedestrians maybe it makes sense to bus kids in and use it as swing space rather than have so many walkers.

If there was space for the buses needed to move 450-600 kids, I might agree with you. There is not in fact space for that amount of buses. Also this ignores that there will still be a significant added influx of cars due to extended day drop offs/pickups.

There is nothing more menacing than a series of distracted drivers racing the clock and treating your neighborhood like their highway/parking lot. The Tuckahoe neighborhood goes through this every few years with McConnell, and that is a well established school community. We’d be reinventing the wheel every year with the Airbnb approach APS has planned for Nottingham.

This is a bit more of a “sacrifice” to this community than which blue ribbon school we attend, and again, not one word about it in the APS analysis.

The biggest eye roll isn’t big enough. Lots of neighborhoods already have the traffic of which you speak. FFS, there are 3 schools within a few blocks of each other on Carlin Springs Rd all with the same start (during morning rush) and end times. If APS doesn’t give an eff about that, why should they fall over dead because a few buses will be “invading” your neighborhood. Also, it’s really galling that you liken your neighbors’ kids to a plague of locusts. Deal with it! Arlington is dense, crowded, full of traffic. Welcome!

Interesting choice of words. What’s a few dead rich white people, am I right?

WUT? APS staff is rich white people? “THEY” is APS staff, not Nottingham parents.

I am referring to the choice of words “drop dead”, which is exactly what happened to several individuals within sight of Nottingham due to design problems with that road.

But Carlin Springs, an arterial that intersects with other arterials, is busy, so us “rich white people” should just deal with a dangerous influx of cars on a deadly road not built to handle it. Do I got that right? Just want to understand the depth of the sacrifice we supposedly have no choice to make up here for the convenience of APS planning staff.

Have you seen the road in and out of Cardinal? Just checking.

Tiny violins is right.

Are you referring to State Route 27, Washington Boulevard? Yes, I travel that arterial road often - on foot, by car, and even occasionally by bus.

The main bus/car access to Cardinal is from McKinley Rd, which is a small road with SFH homes directly across from the access point. The other vehicle access point to the school is in the back through a narrow residential street as well. It's quite tight and there is a a lot of traffic and competing things in that area including a heavily used public library. There have been many concerns about all the kids walking to school in that area and the influx of cars and pedestrians, which understandably you are not aware of since you are concerned about Nottingham.

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Anonymous wrote:Worlds tiniest violin playing for Nottingham parents. The article in ArlNow has quotes from parents talking about their property values and it feeling like having to go to Mexico for school…

This quote from ArlNow:

"We have been so looking forward to sending our now-toddler-age children there when they reach elementary-age in a few short years and would be sincerely crushed to see them reassigned to another Arlington school — one that is potentially either not within walking distance or not as highly-rated as Nottingham,” Price said.

The proposal could disrupt educational plans for new homeowners, like Price.

“Should the motion pass, it would… potentially drive us to consider moving to a more stable school district outside of Arlington,” she said. “We also worry how this decision would impact our home’s resale values down the line.”

Bonkers.

It’s like she tried to give the least sympathetic quotes possible. Kind of impressive, actually.

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Anonymous wrote:Worlds tiniest violin playing for Nottingham parents. The article in ArlNow has quotes from parents talking about their property values and it feeling like having to go to Mexico for school…

This quote from ArlNow:

"We have been so looking forward to sending our now-toddler-age children there when they reach elementary-age in a few short years and would be sincerely crushed to see them reassigned to another Arlington school — one that is potentially either not within walking distance or not as highly-rated as Nottingham,” Price said.

The proposal could disrupt educational plans for new homeowners, like Price.

“Should the motion pass, it would… potentially drive us to consider moving to a more stable school district outside of Arlington,” she said. “We also worry how this decision would impact our home’s resale values down the line.”

Folks actually said these things with their name attached? At least they are being honest.

Bonkers.

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Anonymous wrote:Worlds tiniest violin playing for Nottingham parents. The article in ArlNow has quotes from parents talking about their property values and it feeling like having to go to Mexico for school…

This quote from ArlNow:

"We have been so looking forward to sending our now-toddler-age children there when they reach elementary-age in a few short years and would be sincerely crushed to see them reassigned to another Arlington school — one that is potentially either not within walking distance or not as highly-rated as Nottingham,” Price said.

The proposal could disrupt educational plans for new homeowners, like Price.

“Should the motion pass, it would… potentially drive us to consider moving to a more stable school district outside of Arlington,” she said. “We also worry how this decision would impact our home’s resale values down the line.”

Bonkers.

It’s like she tried to give the least sympathetic quotes possible. Kind of impressive, actually.

I hear you. But, I believe that the underlying sentiment should not be disregarded. APS schools are the backbone of this community. And flight from those schools because of APS incompetence and constant boundary changing concerns me.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there another elementary school that has had 3 pedestrian deaths within 2 blocks of tbe school in the last decade? Nottingham isn’t set up for the kind of traffic influx they would need. It can’t even handle the current traffic, where most people walk.

If it’s so dangerous for pedestrians maybe it makes sense to bus kids in and use it as swing space rather than have so many walkers.

If there was space for the buses needed to move 450-600 kids, I might agree with you. There is not in fact space for that amount of buses. Also this ignores that there will still be a significant added influx of cars due to extended day drop offs/pickups.

There is nothing more menacing than a series of distracted drivers racing the clock and treating your neighborhood like their highway/parking lot. The Tuckahoe neighborhood goes through this every few years with McConnell, and that is a well established school community. We’d be reinventing the wheel every year with the Airbnb approach APS has planned for Nottingham.

This is a bit more of a “sacrifice” to this community than which blue ribbon school we attend, and again, not one word about it in the APS analysis.

The biggest eye roll isn’t big enough. Lots of neighborhoods already have the traffic of which you speak. FFS, there are 3 schools within a few blocks of each other on Carlin Springs Rd all with the same start (during morning rush) and end times. If APS doesn’t give an eff about that, why should they fall over dead because a few buses will be “invading” your neighborhood. Also, it’s really galling that you liken your neighbors’ kids to a plague of locusts. Deal with it! Arlington is dense, crowded, full of traffic. Welcome!

Interesting choice of words. What’s a few dead rich white people, am I right?

WUT? APS staff is rich white people? “THEY” is APS staff, not Nottingham parents.

I am referring to the choice of words “drop dead”, which is exactly what happened to several individuals within sight of Nottingham due to design problems with that road.

But Carlin Springs, an arterial that intersects with other arterials, is busy, so us “rich white people” should just deal with a dangerous influx of cars on a deadly road not built to handle it. Do I got that right? Just want to understand the depth of the sacrifice we supposedly have no choice to make up here for the convenience of APS planning staff.

Have you seen the road in and out of Cardinal? Just checking.

Tiny violins is right.

Are you referring to State Route 27, Washington Boulevard? Yes, I travel that arterial road often - on foot, by car, and even occasionally by bus.

The main bus/car access to Cardinal is from McKinley Rd, which is a small road with SFH homes directly across from the access point. The other vehicle access point to the school is in the back through a narrow residential street as well. It's quite tight and there is a a lot of traffic and competing things in that area including a heavily used public library. There have been many concerns about all the kids walking to school in that area and the influx of cars and pedestrians, which understandably you are not aware of since you are concerned about Nottingham.

It is a very heavily trafficked area and imagine it has been that way for a long time with the shopping center, library, etc. I’m surprised there was so many concerns about traffic given the community’s desire for a neighborhood school serving Westover.

But I think we can all agree it’s one thing to suffer increased traffic for something that improves your neighborhood versus something that is more convenient for people undergoing temporary challenges at soon-to-be-renovated schools in other parts of the county.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there another elementary school that has had 3 pedestrian deaths within 2 blocks of tbe school in the last decade? Nottingham isn’t set up for the kind of traffic influx they would need. It can’t even handle the current traffic, where most people walk.

If it’s so dangerous for pedestrians maybe it makes sense to bus kids in and use it as swing space rather than have so many walkers.

If there was space for the buses needed to move 450-600 kids, I might agree with you. There is not in fact space for that amount of buses. Also this ignores that there will still be a significant added influx of cars due to extended day drop offs/pickups.

There is nothing more menacing than a series of distracted drivers racing the clock and treating your neighborhood like their highway/parking lot. The Tuckahoe neighborhood goes through this every few years with McConnell, and that is a well established school community. We’d be reinventing the wheel every year with the Airbnb approach APS has planned for Nottingham.

This is a bit more of a “sacrifice” to this community than which blue ribbon school we attend, and again, not one word about it in the APS analysis.

The biggest eye roll isn’t big enough. Lots of neighborhoods already have the traffic of which you speak. FFS, there are 3 schools within a few blocks of each other on Carlin Springs Rd all with the same start (during morning rush) and end times. If APS doesn’t give an eff about that, why should they fall over dead because a few buses will be “invading” your neighborhood. Also, it’s really galling that you liken your neighbors’ kids to a plague of locusts. Deal with it! Arlington is dense, crowded, full of traffic. Welcome!

Interesting choice of words. What’s a few dead rich white people, am I right?

WUT? APS staff is rich white people? “THEY” is APS staff, not Nottingham parents.

I am referring to the choice of words “drop dead”, which is exactly what happened to several individuals within sight of Nottingham due to design problems with that road.

But Carlin Springs, an arterial that intersects with other arterials, is busy, so us “rich white people” should just deal with a dangerous influx of cars on a deadly road not built to handle it. Do I got that right? Just want to understand the depth of the sacrifice we supposedly have no choice to make up here for the convenience of APS planning staff.

Have you seen the road in and out of Cardinal? Just checking.

Tiny violins is right.

Are you referring to State Route 27, Washington Boulevard? Yes, I travel that arterial road often - on foot, by car, and even occasionally by bus.

The main bus/car access to Cardinal is from McKinley Rd, which is a small road with SFH homes directly across from the access point. The other vehicle access point to the school is in the back through a narrow residential street as well. It's quite tight and there is a a lot of traffic and competing things in that area including a heavily used public library. There have been many concerns about all the kids walking to school in that area and the influx of cars and pedestrians, which understandably you are not aware of since you are concerned about Nottingham.

It is a very heavily trafficked area and imagine it has been that way for a long time with the shopping center, library, etc. I’m surprised there was so many concerns about traffic given the community’s desire for a neighborhood school serving Westover.

But I think we can all agree it’s one thing to suffer increased traffic for something that improves your neighborhood versus something that is more convenient for people undergoing temporary challenges at soon-to-be-renovated schools in other parts of the county.

Yep, that's what the community was sold and wanted and then they moved the McKinley people over (minus the three PUs) and a bunch of kids who could walk there get bused to other schools and a bunch of former McKinley kids stretching all the way to Lacey Woods get bused in. Far less walkers than there could be.

It's also much bigger than Nottingham. Lots of people were worried about the traffic.

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Anonymous wrote:Worlds tiniest violin playing for Nottingham parents. The article in ArlNow has quotes from parents talking about their property values and it feeling like having to go to Mexico for school…

This quote from ArlNow:

"We have been so looking forward to sending our now-toddler-age children there when they reach elementary-age in a few short years and would be sincerely crushed to see them reassigned to another Arlington school — one that is potentially either not within walking distance or not as highly-rated as Nottingham,” Price said.

The proposal could disrupt educational plans for new homeowners, like Price.

“Should the motion pass, it would… potentially drive us to consider moving to a more stable school district outside of Arlington,” she said. “We also worry how this decision would impact our home’s resale values down the line.”

Bonkers.

It’s like she tried to give the least sympathetic quotes possible. Kind of impressive, actually.

I hear you. But, I believe that the underlying sentiment should not be disregarded. APS schools are the backbone of this community. And flight from those schools because of APS incompetence and constant boundary changing concerns me.

Talking about Nottingham is the only acceptable school in that area and moving to Tuckahoe, Discovery, or Jamestown is a downgrade and will degrade property values is out of touch with reality.

People in that whole part of the County went private during covid and many of them can afford to never come back. It's not some crisis due to constant boundary changing. Please. If anything it reflects that part of the County has gotten more expensive to live in. Rich people move there and rich people can afford private. An overall trend not changing soon.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there another elementary school that has had 3 pedestrian deaths within 2 blocks of tbe school in the last decade? Nottingham isn’t set up for the kind of traffic influx they would need. It can’t even handle the current traffic, where most people walk.

If it’s so dangerous for pedestrians maybe it makes sense to bus kids in and use it as swing space rather than have so many walkers.

If there was space for the buses needed to move 450-600 kids, I might agree with you. There is not in fact space for that amount of buses. Also this ignores that there will still be a significant added influx of cars due to extended day drop offs/pickups.

There is nothing more menacing than a series of distracted drivers racing the clock and treating your neighborhood like their highway/parking lot. The Tuckahoe neighborhood goes through this every few years with McConnell, and that is a well established school community. We’d be reinventing the wheel every year with the Airbnb approach APS has planned for Nottingham.

This is a bit more of a “sacrifice” to this community than which blue ribbon school we attend, and again, not one word about it in the APS analysis.

The biggest eye roll isn’t big enough. Lots of neighborhoods already have the traffic of which you speak. FFS, there are 3 schools within a few blocks of each other on Carlin Springs Rd all with the same start (during morning rush) and end times. If APS doesn’t give an eff about that, why should they fall over dead because a few buses will be “invading” your neighborhood. Also, it’s really galling that you liken your neighbors’ kids to a plague of locusts. Deal with it! Arlington is dense, crowded, full of traffic. Welcome!

Interesting choice of words. What’s a few dead rich white people, am I right?

WUT? APS staff is rich white people? “THEY” is APS staff, not Nottingham parents.

I am referring to the choice of words “drop dead”, which is exactly what happened to several individuals within sight of Nottingham due to design problems with that road.

But Carlin Springs, an arterial that intersects with other arterials, is busy, so us “rich white people” should just deal with a dangerous influx of cars on a deadly road not built to handle it. Do I got that right? Just want to understand the depth of the sacrifice we supposedly have no choice to make up here for the convenience of APS planning staff.

Have you seen the road in and out of Cardinal? Just checking.

Tiny violins is right.

Are you referring to State Route 27, Washington Boulevard? Yes, I travel that arterial road often - on foot, by car, and even occasionally by bus.

The main bus/car access to Cardinal is from McKinley Rd, which is a small road with SFH homes directly across from the access point. The other vehicle access point to the school is in the back through a narrow residential street as well. It's quite tight and there is a a lot of traffic and competing things in that area including a heavily used public library. There have been many concerns about all the kids walking to school in that area and the influx of cars and pedestrians, which understandably you are not aware of since you are concerned about Nottingham.

It is a very heavily trafficked area and imagine it has been that way for a long time with the shopping center, library, etc. I’m surprised there was so many concerns about traffic given the community’s desire for a neighborhood school serving Westover.

But I think we can all agree it’s one thing to suffer increased traffic for something that improves your neighborhood versus something that is more convenient for people undergoing temporary challenges at soon-to-be-renovated schools in other parts of the county.

You mean community sacrifice, like when people who lived near McKinley gave up their walkable elementary school so that it could be switched over to a option school, and now need to get bused to Cardinal or Ashlawn? Is that the kind of unfamiliar "good for everybody not just myself" choice you are referring to? Not sure you have heard of this, check back in if you need more information about this kind of thing.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there another elementary school that has had 3 pedestrian deaths within 2 blocks of tbe school in the last decade? Nottingham isn’t set up for the kind of traffic influx they would need. It can’t even handle the current traffic, where most people walk.

If it’s so dangerous for pedestrians maybe it makes sense to bus kids in and use it as swing space rather than have so many walkers.

If there was space for the buses needed to move 450-600 kids, I might agree with you. There is not in fact space for that amount of buses. Also this ignores that there will still be a significant added influx of cars due to extended day drop offs/pickups.

There is nothing more menacing than a series of distracted drivers racing the clock and treating your neighborhood like their highway/parking lot. The Tuckahoe neighborhood goes through this every few years with McConnell, and that is a well established school community. We’d be reinventing the wheel every year with the Airbnb approach APS has planned for Nottingham.

This is a bit more of a “sacrifice” to this community than which blue ribbon school we attend, and again, not one word about it in the APS analysis.

The biggest eye roll isn’t big enough. Lots of neighborhoods already have the traffic of which you speak. FFS, there are 3 schools within a few blocks of each other on Carlin Springs Rd all with the same start (during morning rush) and end times. If APS doesn’t give an eff about that, why should they fall over dead because a few buses will be “invading” your neighborhood. Also, it’s really galling that you liken your neighbors’ kids to a plague of locusts. Deal with it! Arlington is dense, crowded, full of traffic. Welcome!

Interesting choice of words. What’s a few dead rich white people, am I right?

WUT? APS staff is rich white people? “THEY” is APS staff, not Nottingham parents.

I am referring to the choice of words “drop dead”, which is exactly what happened to several individuals within sight of Nottingham due to design problems with that road.

But Carlin Springs, an arterial that intersects with other arterials, is busy, so us “rich white people” should just deal with a dangerous influx of cars on a deadly road not built to handle it. Do I got that right? Just want to understand the depth of the sacrifice we supposedly have no choice to make up here for the convenience of APS planning staff.

Have you seen the road in and out of Cardinal? Just checking.

Tiny violins is right.

Are you referring to State Route 27, Washington Boulevard? Yes, I travel that arterial road often - on foot, by car, and even occasionally by bus.

The main bus/car access to Cardinal is from McKinley Rd, which is a small road with SFH homes directly across from the access point. The other vehicle access point to the school is in the back through a narrow residential street as well. It's quite tight and there is a a lot of traffic and competing things in that area including a heavily used public library. There have been many concerns about all the kids walking to school in that area and the influx of cars and pedestrians, which understandably you are not aware of since you are concerned about Nottingham.

It is a very heavily trafficked area and imagine it has been that way for a long time with the shopping center, library, etc. I’m surprised there was so many concerns about traffic given the community’s desire for a neighborhood school serving Westover.

But I think we can all agree it’s one thing to suffer increased traffic for something that improves your neighborhood versus something that is more convenient for people undergoing temporary challenges at soon-to-be-renovated schools in other parts of the county.

Sounds like this is what it’s really about. “Other” kids coming into your neighborhood. As soon as people brought up the possibility of it being Southie kids. Really, SMH.

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haha no, actually.

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Karma, baby.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there another elementary school that has had 3 pedestrian deaths within 2 blocks of tbe school in the last decade? Nottingham isn’t set up for the kind of traffic influx they would need. It can’t even handle the current traffic, where most people walk.

If it’s so dangerous for pedestrians maybe it makes sense to bus kids in and use it as swing space rather than have so many walkers.

If there was space for the buses needed to move 450-600 kids, I might agree with you. There is not in fact space for that amount of buses. Also this ignores that there will still be a significant added influx of cars due to extended day drop offs/pickups.

There is nothing more menacing than a series of distracted drivers racing the clock and treating your neighborhood like their highway/parking lot. The Tuckahoe neighborhood goes through this every few years with McConnell, and that is a well established school community. We’d be reinventing the wheel every year with the Airbnb approach APS has planned for Nottingham.

This is a bit more of a “sacrifice” to this community than which blue ribbon school we attend, and again, not one word about it in the APS analysis.

The biggest eye roll isn’t big enough. Lots of neighborhoods already have the traffic of which you speak. FFS, there are 3 schools within a few blocks of each other on Carlin Springs Rd all with the same start (during morning rush) and end times. If APS doesn’t give an eff about that, why should they fall over dead because a few buses will be “invading” your neighborhood. Also, it’s really galling that you liken your neighbors’ kids to a plague of locusts. Deal with it! Arlington is dense, crowded, full of traffic. Welcome!

Interesting choice of words. What’s a few dead rich white people, am I right?

WUT? APS staff is rich white people? “THEY” is APS staff, not Nottingham parents.

I am referring to the choice of words “drop dead”, which is exactly what happened to several individuals within sight of Nottingham due to design problems with that road.

But Carlin Springs, an arterial that intersects with other arterials, is busy, so us “rich white people” should just deal with a dangerous influx of cars on a deadly road not built to handle it. Do I got that right? Just want to understand the depth of the sacrifice we supposedly have no choice to make up here for the convenience of APS planning staff.

Have you seen the road in and out of Cardinal? Just checking.

Tiny violins is right.

Are you referring to State Route 27, Washington Boulevard? Yes, I travel that arterial road often - on foot, by car, and even occasionally by bus.

The main bus/car access to Cardinal is from McKinley Rd, which is a small road with SFH homes directly across from the access point. The other vehicle access point to the school is in the back through a narrow residential street as well. It's quite tight and there is a a lot of traffic and competing things in that area including a heavily used public library. There have been many concerns about all the kids walking to school in that area and the influx of cars and pedestrians, which understandably you are not aware of since you are concerned about Nottingham.

It is a very heavily trafficked area and imagine it has been that way for a long time with the shopping center, library, etc. I’m surprised there was so many concerns about traffic given the community’s desire for a neighborhood school serving Westover.

But I think we can all agree it’s one thing to suffer increased traffic for something that improves your neighborhood versus something that is more convenient for people undergoing temporary challenges at soon-to-be-renovated schools in other parts of the county.

You mean community sacrifice, like when people who lived near McKinley gave up their walkable elementary school so that it could be switched over to a option school, and now need to get bused to Cardinal or Ashlawn? Is that the kind of unfamiliar "good for everybody not just myself" choice you are referring to? Not sure you have heard of this, check back in if you need more information about this kind of thing.

I don’t support option schools. I think they were a good idea during the declining enrollment years of the 1990s and early 2000s because they kept people invested in public schools instead of moving to FFX or going private. With the capacity issues we are facing today, it does not make sense to keep them. People like them because it allows them to spend $1.2m on their home instead of $1.8m and still surround their kids with highly motivated peers, but let’s call it for what it is - a lucky lottery for the few that everyone else has to pay for.

If there is a demonstrated educational benefit from any of these programs it should be rolled out more broadly. Otherwise, neighborhood schools for all and targeted transfer zones where it makes sense.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there another elementary school that has had 3 pedestrian deaths within 2 blocks of tbe school in the last decade? Nottingham isn’t set up for the kind of traffic influx they would need. It can’t even handle the current traffic, where most people walk.

If it’s so dangerous for pedestrians maybe it makes sense to bus kids in and use it as swing space rather than have so many walkers.

If there was space for the buses needed to move 450-600 kids, I might agree with you. There is not in fact space for that amount of buses. Also this ignores that there will still be a significant added influx of cars due to extended day drop offs/pickups.

There is nothing more menacing than a series of distracted drivers racing the clock and treating your neighborhood like their highway/parking lot. The Tuckahoe neighborhood goes through this every few years with McConnell, and that is a well established school community. We’d be reinventing the wheel every year with the Airbnb approach APS has planned for Nottingham.

This is a bit more of a “sacrifice” to this community than which blue ribbon school we attend, and again, not one word about it in the APS analysis.

The biggest eye roll isn’t big enough. Lots of neighborhoods already have the traffic of which you speak. FFS, there are 3 schools within a few blocks of each other on Carlin Springs Rd all with the same start (during morning rush) and end times. If APS doesn’t give an eff about that, why should they fall over dead because a few buses will be “invading” your neighborhood. Also, it’s really galling that you liken your neighbors’ kids to a plague of locusts. Deal with it! Arlington is dense, crowded, full of traffic. Welcome!

Interesting choice of words. What’s a few dead rich white people, am I right?

WUT? APS staff is rich white people? “THEY” is APS staff, not Nottingham parents.

I am referring to the choice of words “drop dead”, which is exactly what happened to several individuals within sight of Nottingham due to design problems with that road.

But Carlin Springs, an arterial that intersects with other arterials, is busy, so us “rich white people” should just deal with a dangerous influx of cars on a deadly road not built to handle it. Do I got that right? Just want to understand the depth of the sacrifice we supposedly have no choice to make up here for the convenience of APS planning staff.

Have you seen the road in and out of Cardinal? Just checking.

Tiny violins is right.

Are you referring to State Route 27, Washington Boulevard? Yes, I travel that arterial road often - on foot, by car, and even occasionally by bus.

The main bus/car access to Cardinal is from McKinley Rd, which is a small road with SFH homes directly across from the access point. The other vehicle access point to the school is in the back through a narrow residential street as well. It's quite tight and there is a a lot of traffic and competing things in that area including a heavily used public library. There have been many concerns about all the kids walking to school in that area and the influx of cars and pedestrians, which understandably you are not aware of since you are concerned about Nottingham.

It is a very heavily trafficked area and imagine it has been that way for a long time with the shopping center, library, etc. I’m surprised there was so many concerns about traffic given the community’s desire for a neighborhood school serving Westover.

But I think we can all agree it’s one thing to suffer increased traffic for something that improves your neighborhood versus something that is more convenient for people undergoing temporary challenges at soon-to-be-renovated schools in other parts of the county.

You mean community sacrifice, like when people who lived near McKinley gave up their walkable elementary school so that it could be switched over to a option school, and now need to get bused to Cardinal or Ashlawn? Is that the kind of unfamiliar "good for everybody not just myself" choice you are referring to? Not sure you have heard of this, check back in if you need more information about this kind of thing.

I don’t support option schools. I think they were a good idea during the declining enrollment years of the 1990s and early 2000s because they kept people invested in public schools instead of moving to FFX or going private. With the capacity issues we are facing today, it does not make sense to keep them. People like them because it allows them to spend $1.2m on their home instead of $1.8m and still surround their kids with highly motivated peers, but let’s call it for what it is - a lucky lottery for the few that everyone else has to pay for.

If there is a demonstrated educational benefit from any of these programs it should be rolled out more broadly. Otherwise, neighborhood schools for all and targeted transfer zones where it makes sense.

Yeah, those school are only for rich white kids. They’ve earned it.

And really? Only schools with exclusively 1.8 mil SFHs are full of motivated kids?!? Do you hear yourself?