BOE Response to Council Member’s Testimony re Muslim Faith and White Supremacy

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Anonymous wrote:The decision to remove the opt-out option was made by Dr. McKnight, not the board. A few members of the BOE have voiced their strong support, but there hasn't been a vote or official statement on the issue.

Testimony during public comments around the opt-out option has been going on for months. After every round of public comments, the BOE members remark and they either ignore the negative comments or voice support for dismantling the opt-out option in the name of diversity, equity and inclusion.

If there was a contingent within the BOE who felt differently from what has been expressed, I think they would have expressed it by now.

That's great! I'm so glad they aren't caving to the bigotry.

It’s kind of ironic that you are using bigotry to fight what you also claim is bigotry.

Unfortunately, I’m not shocked by this myopic view. The goal no longer seems to be mutual respect and shared spaces. It seems to be “give me my way and screw you.”

I say this as a fairly moderate person, who is perfectly happy to support the LGBTQA+ community AND religious communities. I’ve quickly realized, however, that there is no room for voices like mine.

The video of the protest was appalling to me. Such rude behaviors from the counter protesters: the glaring music drowning out voices, the middle finger, the rude comments. This is what Montgomery County has become?

Same here. Diversity is OK in MoCo as long as it's not viewpoint diversity. Then you must be shunned for not agreeing with them.

The fact that gay people exist in real life and therefore in some books is not a "viewpoint."

No, but not wanting your kids to be taught about it at a young age is.

Not wanting your kids to be taught about the existence of gravity at a young age is also a viewpoint.

And guess what... they don't teach kids about gravity at a young age because it's hard to understand, just like understanding why some adults think that putting on a dress and make-up changes their sex. So, I think we can all agree to wait until they are a little older to learn about both.

Lol, kids aren’t idiots. They see things, they hear things, and they understand things. Thankfully they are much more tolerant and accepting than people like you.

So you don’t agree with the concept of age appropriate topics?

But everything discussed here was age appropriate.

+100..kids have *gasp* gay parents...they understand this from day 1. Kids who have straight parents see relationship dynamics as well. You're not sitting here crying about them seeing men kiss women. Grow up. I'm so embarrassed for you.

Resorting to insults. Not unexpected.

DP, yes. People will insult you for being ignorant. Obviously it is something you're used to. Maybe read a book for a change. Get off DCUM. If you asked valid questions or brought up valid points, people would be willing to have a discourse with you. But you're fully spewing BS and don't care to learn anything new, so...

Again…
I’m the DP who posted above. Spewing hate into an anonymous forum doesn’t help your argument. You don’t appear smarter or more logical. You simply appear… hateful.

If you are trying to sway opinion, this doesn’t work. Can you cut it out?

DP but, no. You’re trying to say if someone called you out for racism, they’d be hateful. Simply not true. You seem very immature and you have a ton of growing and learning to do. I wish you the best. Hopefully you get the education you seriously need.

Wow. Only on DCUM would being kind and respectful be equated with immaturity and a lack of education.

My goal is to contribute positively in this world. I’m certainly not going to achieve that by spreading hate and discord.

Perhaps you (and Mink) could take a page out of my book.

DP. I watched Mink's testimony twice and did not find her to be spreading hate or discord. She had been speaking directly with protesters and acknowledged their concerns, but ultimately concluded that their position that opting out wouldn't cause harm to anyone wasn't valid.

Mink labeled Muslim children as linked to white supremacists. That’s not okay. At all.

She has also referred to police as thugs and goons in the past, and frequently has called for defunding. That’s not a good look for a council member on the public safety committee. I’d go so far as to say that’s a reason she should be removed from that committee. She has also suggested white women shouldn’t have leadership roles and that they should not be provided a voice.

She has a problem with lumping people together and then labeling. She represents a wide, diverse area. That area contains Muslims, officers, and white women. It’s hard to represent people’s interests while simultaneously slandering them.

She causes harm. The children that day were saying they want to be opted out, not that they want to remove books. That causes a heck of a lot less harm than Mink’s statements do.

No, she did not. Watch the video.

I have. She said that “This issue has unfortunately put, not all, but some, Muslim families on the same side of an issue as white supremacists and outright bigots.” I wrote that she “labeled Muslim children as linked to white supremacists.” She made these comments referring to the children who spoke that day.

This isn’t 1984. Reality can’t be rewritten to suit your needs.

Oh the irony. You conveniently didn't include the rest of her sentence: "...however, the folks who I've talked with today I would not put in the same category as those folks."

She continues: "Although, it's again complicated because they're falling on the same side of this particular issue." The issue she is speaking about is the opting out of LGBTQ-inclusive texts.

There is nuance here, a lot more than is being exhibited by most DCUM posters.

The rest of the statement means very little to me. It’s simply backpedaling. I’m guessing she knew exactly how bad her first statement was the second she said it. Saying the people - she talked to - don’t fit that statement doesn’t exempt the fact she still insulted “some” Muslim families. You claim nuance. I say it was bad word choice that shows (again) bias from an elected official.

I don’t understand why Mink gets so many passes. If she wants to be an activist, then be one. If you want to be an elected official, the represent your county. I don’t believe she can do both simultaneously.

I can't believe she doesn't understand how linking Muslim children to violent terrorist groups is deeply problematic or why she won't issue a more genuine apology for comments she clearly knew in the moment were terrible. Also she referenced "the folks who I've talked with today" - she was referring to people she personally spoke with, not the children who commented during the meeting.

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Anonymous wrote:The decision to remove the opt-out option was made by Dr. McKnight, not the board. A few members of the BOE have voiced their strong support, but there hasn't been a vote or official statement on the issue.

Testimony during public comments around the opt-out option has been going on for months. After every round of public comments, the BOE members remark and they either ignore the negative comments or voice support for dismantling the opt-out option in the name of diversity, equity and inclusion.

If there was a contingent within the BOE who felt differently from what has been expressed, I think they would have expressed it by now.

That's great! I'm so glad they aren't caving to the bigotry.

It’s kind of ironic that you are using bigotry to fight what you also claim is bigotry.

Unfortunately, I’m not shocked by this myopic view. The goal no longer seems to be mutual respect and shared spaces. It seems to be “give me my way and screw you.”

I say this as a fairly moderate person, who is perfectly happy to support the LGBTQA+ community AND religious communities. I’ve quickly realized, however, that there is no room for voices like mine.

The video of the protest was appalling to me. Such rude behaviors from the counter protesters: the glaring music drowning out voices, the middle finger, the rude comments. This is what Montgomery County has become?

Same here. Diversity is OK in MoCo as long as it's not viewpoint diversity. Then you must be shunned for not agreeing with them.

The fact that gay people exist in real life and therefore in some books is not a "viewpoint."

No, but not wanting your kids to be taught about it at a young age is.

Not wanting your kids to be taught about the existence of gravity at a young age is also a viewpoint.

And guess what... they don't teach kids about gravity at a young age because it's hard to understand, just like understanding why some adults think that putting on a dress and make-up changes their sex. So, I think we can all agree to wait until they are a little older to learn about both.

Lol, kids aren’t idiots. They see things, they hear things, and they understand things. Thankfully they are much more tolerant and accepting than people like you.

So you don’t agree with the concept of age appropriate topics?

But everything discussed here was age appropriate.

+100..kids have *gasp* gay parents...they understand this from day 1. Kids who have straight parents see relationship dynamics as well. You're not sitting here crying about them seeing men kiss women. Grow up. I'm so embarrassed for you.

Resorting to insults. Not unexpected.

DP, yes. People will insult you for being ignorant. Obviously it is something you're used to. Maybe read a book for a change. Get off DCUM. If you asked valid questions or brought up valid points, people would be willing to have a discourse with you. But you're fully spewing BS and don't care to learn anything new, so...

Again…
I’m the DP who posted above. Spewing hate into an anonymous forum doesn’t help your argument. You don’t appear smarter or more logical. You simply appear… hateful.

If you are trying to sway opinion, this doesn’t work. Can you cut it out?

There’s no hate. No one was trying to be smarter. It’s called common sense… Calling bigots what they are isn’t hate. Calling a nazi a nazi doesn’t make me a hateful person. It’s telling someone the truth of who they are. You seem like you can’t handle that yet. So funny how people try to spin the narrative so they aren’t the bad guy when really…. You’re the one in the wrong. Deal etc it.

So a parent wanting to opt out of their kids reading a specific book makes them a bigot? And a nazi? And we’re the ones that need to read a book and get an education?
You can’t be serious. You just can’t.

Bigots are my way or highway. But same group will try to paint anyone opposing as bigots. It's very old trick.

I don't care even a bit about this LGBT or Muslim agenda. I see all of them as person and as long as they are not forcing their agenda, I have no issue with any group. Juts teach your LGBT stuff at home and teach your religious stuff at home. Let school be for teaching core subject because MCPS can't teach core subject. Let's focus on that.

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Why can no one get it through their head that the books are part of the reading curriculum - not family life or anything else. They are in addition to all of the other texts available. As far as I know READING is a core subject.

Keep your LGBT agenda out of school. Keep your religious agenda out of school.

Keep your straight agenda out of school then.

The norm isn’t an agenda…it’s just the norm.
(And yes, gay people are NORMAL, but heterosexual couples are the norm in our society. You cannot argue that. I mean you will, but you’d be wrong.)

White people could also be said to be "the norm in our society." Should books only have white characters?

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Anonymous wrote:The decision to remove the opt-out option was made by Dr. McKnight, not the board. A few members of the BOE have voiced their strong support, but there hasn't been a vote or official statement on the issue.

Testimony during public comments around the opt-out option has been going on for months. After every round of public comments, the BOE members remark and they either ignore the negative comments or voice support for dismantling the opt-out option in the name of diversity, equity and inclusion.

If there was a contingent within the BOE who felt differently from what has been expressed, I think they would have expressed it by now.

That's great! I'm so glad they aren't caving to the bigotry.

It’s kind of ironic that you are using bigotry to fight what you also claim is bigotry.

Unfortunately, I’m not shocked by this myopic view. The goal no longer seems to be mutual respect and shared spaces. It seems to be “give me my way and screw you.”

I say this as a fairly moderate person, who is perfectly happy to support the LGBTQA+ community AND religious communities. I’ve quickly realized, however, that there is no room for voices like mine.

The video of the protest was appalling to me. Such rude behaviors from the counter protesters: the glaring music drowning out voices, the middle finger, the rude comments. This is what Montgomery County has become?

Same here. Diversity is OK in MoCo as long as it's not viewpoint diversity. Then you must be shunned for not agreeing with them.

The fact that gay people exist in real life and therefore in some books is not a "viewpoint."

No, but not wanting your kids to be taught about it at a young age is.

Not wanting your kids to be taught about the existence of gravity at a young age is also a viewpoint.

And guess what... they don't teach kids about gravity at a young age because it's hard to understand, just like understanding why some adults think that putting on a dress and make-up changes their sex. So, I think we can all agree to wait until they are a little older to learn about both.

Lol, kids aren’t idiots. They see things, they hear things, and they understand things. Thankfully they are much more tolerant and accepting than people like you.

So you don’t agree with the concept of age appropriate topics?

But everything discussed here was age appropriate.

+100..kids have *gasp* gay parents...they understand this from day 1. Kids who have straight parents see relationship dynamics as well. You're not sitting here crying about them seeing men kiss women. Grow up. I'm so embarrassed for you.

Resorting to insults. Not unexpected.

DP, yes. People will insult you for being ignorant. Obviously it is something you're used to. Maybe read a book for a change. Get off DCUM. If you asked valid questions or brought up valid points, people would be willing to have a discourse with you. But you're fully spewing BS and don't care to learn anything new, so...

Again…
I’m the DP who posted above. Spewing hate into an anonymous forum doesn’t help your argument. You don’t appear smarter or more logical. You simply appear… hateful.

If you are trying to sway opinion, this doesn’t work. Can you cut it out?

There’s no hate. No one was trying to be smarter. It’s called common sense… Calling bigots what they are isn’t hate. Calling a nazi a nazi doesn’t make me a hateful person. It’s telling someone the truth of who they are. You seem like you can’t handle that yet. So funny how people try to spin the narrative so they aren’t the bad guy when really…. You’re the one in the wrong. Deal etc it.

So a parent wanting to opt out of their kids reading a specific book makes them a bigot? And a nazi? And we’re the ones that need to read a book and get an education?
You can’t be serious. You just can’t.

Bigots are my way or highway. But same group will try to paint anyone opposing as bigots. It's very old trick.

I don't care even a bit about this LGBT or Muslim agenda. I see all of them as person and as long as they are not forcing their agenda, I have no issue with any group. Juts teach your LGBT stuff at home and teach your religious stuff at home. Let school be for teaching core subject because MCPS can't teach core subject. Let's focus on that.

THIS

Why can no one get it through their head that the books are part of the reading curriculum - not family life or anything else. They are in addition to all of the other texts available. As far as I know READING is a core subject.

Keep your LGBT agenda out of school. Keep your religious agenda out of school.

Keep your straight agenda out of school then.

The norm isn’t an agenda…it’s just the norm.
(And yes, gay people are NORMAL, but heterosexual couples are the norm in our society. You cannot argue that. I mean you will, but you’d be wrong.)

White people could also be said to be "the norm in our society." Should books only have white characters?

Nope. But it’s not an agenda if the norm ends up being what most of the books are in school.

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Anonymous wrote:The decision to remove the opt-out option was made by Dr. McKnight, not the board. A few members of the BOE have voiced their strong support, but there hasn't been a vote or official statement on the issue.

Testimony during public comments around the opt-out option has been going on for months. After every round of public comments, the BOE members remark and they either ignore the negative comments or voice support for dismantling the opt-out option in the name of diversity, equity and inclusion.

If there was a contingent within the BOE who felt differently from what has been expressed, I think they would have expressed it by now.

That's great! I'm so glad they aren't caving to the bigotry.

It’s kind of ironic that you are using bigotry to fight what you also claim is bigotry.

Unfortunately, I’m not shocked by this myopic view. The goal no longer seems to be mutual respect and shared spaces. It seems to be “give me my way and screw you.”

I say this as a fairly moderate person, who is perfectly happy to support the LGBTQA+ community AND religious communities. I’ve quickly realized, however, that there is no room for voices like mine.

The video of the protest was appalling to me. Such rude behaviors from the counter protesters: the glaring music drowning out voices, the middle finger, the rude comments. This is what Montgomery County has become?

Same here. Diversity is OK in MoCo as long as it's not viewpoint diversity. Then you must be shunned for not agreeing with them.

The fact that gay people exist in real life and therefore in some books is not a "viewpoint."

No, but not wanting your kids to be taught about it at a young age is.

Not wanting your kids to be taught about the existence of gravity at a young age is also a viewpoint.

And guess what... they don't teach kids about gravity at a young age because it's hard to understand, just like understanding why some adults think that putting on a dress and make-up changes their sex. So, I think we can all agree to wait until they are a little older to learn about both.

Lol, kids aren’t idiots. They see things, they hear things, and they understand things. Thankfully they are much more tolerant and accepting than people like you.

So you don’t agree with the concept of age appropriate topics?

But everything discussed here was age appropriate.

+100..kids have *gasp* gay parents...they understand this from day 1. Kids who have straight parents see relationship dynamics as well. You're not sitting here crying about them seeing men kiss women. Grow up. I'm so embarrassed for you.

Resorting to insults. Not unexpected.

DP, yes. People will insult you for being ignorant. Obviously it is something you're used to. Maybe read a book for a change. Get off DCUM. If you asked valid questions or brought up valid points, people would be willing to have a discourse with you. But you're fully spewing BS and don't care to learn anything new, so...

Again…
I’m the DP who posted above. Spewing hate into an anonymous forum doesn’t help your argument. You don’t appear smarter or more logical. You simply appear… hateful.

If you are trying to sway opinion, this doesn’t work. Can you cut it out?

There’s no hate. No one was trying to be smarter. It’s called common sense… Calling bigots what they are isn’t hate. Calling a nazi a nazi doesn’t make me a hateful person. It’s telling someone the truth of who they are. You seem like you can’t handle that yet. So funny how people try to spin the narrative so they aren’t the bad guy when really…. You’re the one in the wrong. Deal etc it.

So a parent wanting to opt out of their kids reading a specific book makes them a bigot? And a nazi? And we’re the ones that need to read a book and get an education?
You can’t be serious. You just can’t.

Bigots are my way or highway. But same group will try to paint anyone opposing as bigots. It's very old trick.

I don't care even a bit about this LGBT or Muslim agenda. I see all of them as person and as long as they are not forcing their agenda, I have no issue with any group. Juts teach your LGBT stuff at home and teach your religious stuff at home. Let school be for teaching core subject because MCPS can't teach core subject. Let's focus on that.

THIS

Why can no one get it through their head that the books are part of the reading curriculum - not family life or anything else. They are in addition to all of the other texts available. As far as I know READING is a core subject.

Keep your LGBT agenda out of school. Keep your religious agenda out of school.

Keep your straight agenda out of school then.

The norm isn’t an agenda…it’s just the norm.
(And yes, gay people are NORMAL, but heterosexual couples are the norm in our society. You cannot argue that. I mean you will, but you’d be wrong.)

White people could also be said to be "the norm in our society." Should books only have white characters?

Nope. But it’s not an agenda if the norm ends up being what most of the books are in school.

People come so close to the point and then just miss it.

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Anonymous wrote:The decision to remove the opt-out option was made by Dr. McKnight, not the board. A few members of the BOE have voiced their strong support, but there hasn't been a vote or official statement on the issue.

Testimony during public comments around the opt-out option has been going on for months. After every round of public comments, the BOE members remark and they either ignore the negative comments or voice support for dismantling the opt-out option in the name of diversity, equity and inclusion.

If there was a contingent within the BOE who felt differently from what has been expressed, I think they would have expressed it by now.

That's great! I'm so glad they aren't caving to the bigotry.

It’s kind of ironic that you are using bigotry to fight what you also claim is bigotry.

Unfortunately, I’m not shocked by this myopic view. The goal no longer seems to be mutual respect and shared spaces. It seems to be “give me my way and screw you.”

I say this as a fairly moderate person, who is perfectly happy to support the LGBTQA+ community AND religious communities. I’ve quickly realized, however, that there is no room for voices like mine.

The video of the protest was appalling to me. Such rude behaviors from the counter protesters: the glaring music drowning out voices, the middle finger, the rude comments. This is what Montgomery County has become?

Same here. Diversity is OK in MoCo as long as it's not viewpoint diversity. Then you must be shunned for not agreeing with them.

The fact that gay people exist in real life and therefore in some books is not a "viewpoint."

No, but not wanting your kids to be taught about it at a young age is.

Not wanting your kids to be taught about the existence of gravity at a young age is also a viewpoint.

And guess what... they don't teach kids about gravity at a young age because it's hard to understand, just like understanding why some adults think that putting on a dress and make-up changes their sex. So, I think we can all agree to wait until they are a little older to learn about both.

Lol, kids aren’t idiots. They see things, they hear things, and they understand things. Thankfully they are much more tolerant and accepting than people like you.

So you don’t agree with the concept of age appropriate topics?

But everything discussed here was age appropriate.

+100..kids have *gasp* gay parents...they understand this from day 1. Kids who have straight parents see relationship dynamics as well. You're not sitting here crying about them seeing men kiss women. Grow up. I'm so embarrassed for you.

Resorting to insults. Not unexpected.

DP, yes. People will insult you for being ignorant. Obviously it is something you're used to. Maybe read a book for a change. Get off DCUM. If you asked valid questions or brought up valid points, people would be willing to have a discourse with you. But you're fully spewing BS and don't care to learn anything new, so...

Again…
I’m the DP who posted above. Spewing hate into an anonymous forum doesn’t help your argument. You don’t appear smarter or more logical. You simply appear… hateful.

If you are trying to sway opinion, this doesn’t work. Can you cut it out?

There’s no hate. No one was trying to be smarter. It’s called common sense… Calling bigots what they are isn’t hate. Calling a nazi a nazi doesn’t make me a hateful person. It’s telling someone the truth of who they are. You seem like you can’t handle that yet. So funny how people try to spin the narrative so they aren’t the bad guy when really…. You’re the one in the wrong. Deal etc it.

So a parent wanting to opt out of their kids reading a specific book makes them a bigot? And a nazi? And we’re the ones that need to read a book and get an education?
You can’t be serious. You just can’t.

Bigots are my way or highway. But same group will try to paint anyone opposing as bigots. It's very old trick.

I don't care even a bit about this LGBT or Muslim agenda. I see all of them as person and as long as they are not forcing their agenda, I have no issue with any group. Juts teach your LGBT stuff at home and teach your religious stuff at home. Let school be for teaching core subject because MCPS can't teach core subject. Let's focus on that.

THIS

Why can no one get it through their head that the books are part of the reading curriculum - not family life or anything else. They are in addition to all of the other texts available. As far as I know READING is a core subject.

Keep your LGBT agenda out of school. Keep your religious agenda out of school.

Keep your straight agenda out of school then.

The norm isn’t an agenda…it’s just the norm.
(And yes, gay people are NORMAL, but heterosexual couples are the norm in our society. You cannot argue that. I mean you will, but you’d be wrong.)

"Only the norm in school" certainly is an agenda.

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Anonymous wrote:The decision to remove the opt-out option was made by Dr. McKnight, not the board. A few members of the BOE have voiced their strong support, but there hasn't been a vote or official statement on the issue.

Testimony during public comments around the opt-out option has been going on for months. After every round of public comments, the BOE members remark and they either ignore the negative comments or voice support for dismantling the opt-out option in the name of diversity, equity and inclusion.

If there was a contingent within the BOE who felt differently from what has been expressed, I think they would have expressed it by now.

That's great! I'm so glad they aren't caving to the bigotry.

It’s kind of ironic that you are using bigotry to fight what you also claim is bigotry.

Unfortunately, I’m not shocked by this myopic view. The goal no longer seems to be mutual respect and shared spaces. It seems to be “give me my way and screw you.”

I say this as a fairly moderate person, who is perfectly happy to support the LGBTQA+ community AND religious communities. I’ve quickly realized, however, that there is no room for voices like mine.

The video of the protest was appalling to me. Such rude behaviors from the counter protesters: the glaring music drowning out voices, the middle finger, the rude comments. This is what Montgomery County has become?

Same here. Diversity is OK in MoCo as long as it's not viewpoint diversity. Then you must be shunned for not agreeing with them.

The fact that gay people exist in real life and therefore in some books is not a "viewpoint."

No, but not wanting your kids to be taught about it at a young age is.

Not wanting your kids to be taught about the existence of gravity at a young age is also a viewpoint.

And guess what... they don't teach kids about gravity at a young age because it's hard to understand, just like understanding why some adults think that putting on a dress and make-up changes their sex. So, I think we can all agree to wait until they are a little older to learn about both.

Lol, kids aren’t idiots. They see things, they hear things, and they understand things. Thankfully they are much more tolerant and accepting than people like you.

So you don’t agree with the concept of age appropriate topics?

But everything discussed here was age appropriate.

+100..kids have *gasp* gay parents...they understand this from day 1. Kids who have straight parents see relationship dynamics as well. You're not sitting here crying about them seeing men kiss women. Grow up. I'm so embarrassed for you.

Resorting to insults. Not unexpected.

DP, yes. People will insult you for being ignorant. Obviously it is something you're used to. Maybe read a book for a change. Get off DCUM. If you asked valid questions or brought up valid points, people would be willing to have a discourse with you. But you're fully spewing BS and don't care to learn anything new, so...

Again…
I’m the DP who posted above. Spewing hate into an anonymous forum doesn’t help your argument. You don’t appear smarter or more logical. You simply appear… hateful.

If you are trying to sway opinion, this doesn’t work. Can you cut it out?

There’s no hate. No one was trying to be smarter. It’s called common sense… Calling bigots what they are isn’t hate. Calling a nazi a nazi doesn’t make me a hateful person. It’s telling someone the truth of who they are. You seem like you can’t handle that yet. So funny how people try to spin the narrative so they aren’t the bad guy when really…. You’re the one in the wrong. Deal etc it.

So a parent wanting to opt out of their kids reading a specific book makes them a bigot? And a nazi? And we’re the ones that need to read a book and get an education?
You can’t be serious. You just can’t.

Bigots are my way or highway. But same group will try to paint anyone opposing as bigots. It's very old trick.

I don't care even a bit about this LGBT or Muslim agenda. I see all of them as person and as long as they are not forcing their agenda, I have no issue with any group. Juts teach your LGBT stuff at home and teach your religious stuff at home. Let school be for teaching core subject because MCPS can't teach core subject. Let's focus on that.

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Why can no one get it through their head that the books are part of the reading curriculum - not family life or anything else. They are in addition to all of the other texts available. As far as I know READING is a core subject.

Keep your LGBT agenda out of school. Keep your religious agenda out of school.

Keep your straight agenda out of school then.

The norm isn’t an agenda…it’s just the norm.
(And yes, gay people are NORMAL, but heterosexual couples are the norm in our society. You cannot argue that. I mean you will, but you’d be wrong.)

White people could also be said to be "the norm in our society." Should books only have white characters?

This is why I think the CAIR MoCo strategic alliance with Moms for Liberty is so wrong-headed. Moms for Liberty has consistently argued against fact-based teaching of the civil rights movement, and so-called "critical race theory," which they have defined as any teaching that does not center white male slaveholders in our discussion of US history.

They oppose multicultural education, which includes baseline education of cultural and religious differences.

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Anonymous wrote:The decision to remove the opt-out option was made by Dr. McKnight, not the board. A few members of the BOE have voiced their strong support, but there hasn't been a vote or official statement on the issue.

Testimony during public comments around the opt-out option has been going on for months. After every round of public comments, the BOE members remark and they either ignore the negative comments or voice support for dismantling the opt-out option in the name of diversity, equity and inclusion.

If there was a contingent within the BOE who felt differently from what has been expressed, I think they would have expressed it by now.

That's great! I'm so glad they aren't caving to the bigotry.

It’s kind of ironic that you are using bigotry to fight what you also claim is bigotry.

Unfortunately, I’m not shocked by this myopic view. The goal no longer seems to be mutual respect and shared spaces. It seems to be “give me my way and screw you.”

I say this as a fairly moderate person, who is perfectly happy to support the LGBTQA+ community AND religious communities. I’ve quickly realized, however, that there is no room for voices like mine.

The video of the protest was appalling to me. Such rude behaviors from the counter protesters: the glaring music drowning out voices, the middle finger, the rude comments. This is what Montgomery County has become?

Same here. Diversity is OK in MoCo as long as it's not viewpoint diversity. Then you must be shunned for not agreeing with them.

The fact that gay people exist in real life and therefore in some books is not a "viewpoint."

No, but not wanting your kids to be taught about it at a young age is.

Not wanting your kids to be taught about the existence of gravity at a young age is also a viewpoint.

And guess what... they don't teach kids about gravity at a young age because it's hard to understand, just like understanding why some adults think that putting on a dress and make-up changes their sex. So, I think we can all agree to wait until they are a little older to learn about both.

Lol, kids aren’t idiots. They see things, they hear things, and they understand things. Thankfully they are much more tolerant and accepting than people like you.

So you don’t agree with the concept of age appropriate topics?

But everything discussed here was age appropriate.

+100..kids have *gasp* gay parents...they understand this from day 1. Kids who have straight parents see relationship dynamics as well. You're not sitting here crying about them seeing men kiss women. Grow up. I'm so embarrassed for you.

Resorting to insults. Not unexpected.

DP, yes. People will insult you for being ignorant. Obviously it is something you're used to. Maybe read a book for a change. Get off DCUM. If you asked valid questions or brought up valid points, people would be willing to have a discourse with you. But you're fully spewing BS and don't care to learn anything new, so...

Again…
I’m the DP who posted above. Spewing hate into an anonymous forum doesn’t help your argument. You don’t appear smarter or more logical. You simply appear… hateful.

If you are trying to sway opinion, this doesn’t work. Can you cut it out?

There’s no hate. No one was trying to be smarter. It’s called common sense… Calling bigots what they are isn’t hate. Calling a nazi a nazi doesn’t make me a hateful person. It’s telling someone the truth of who they are. You seem like you can’t handle that yet. So funny how people try to spin the narrative so they aren’t the bad guy when really…. You’re the one in the wrong. Deal etc it.

So a parent wanting to opt out of their kids reading a specific book makes them a bigot? And a nazi? And we’re the ones that need to read a book and get an education?
You can’t be serious. You just can’t.

I’m sorry, was anyone talking to you? The post had nothing to do with opting out of books. Learn to read before getting upset.

You’re kidding, right? Expand this chain and then report back. It’s about age appropriate topics - LGBTQ books being one of them. And I am a contributor to this particular thread. So yes, several people were talking to me.

No one called you a bigot or a nazi for wanting to opt out. But you sure got hyper defensive about it, so that tells me you probably actually are one or the other.

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Anonymous wrote:The decision to remove the opt-out option was made by Dr. McKnight, not the board. A few members of the BOE have voiced their strong support, but there hasn't been a vote or official statement on the issue.

Testimony during public comments around the opt-out option has been going on for months. After every round of public comments, the BOE members remark and they either ignore the negative comments or voice support for dismantling the opt-out option in the name of diversity, equity and inclusion.

If there was a contingent within the BOE who felt differently from what has been expressed, I think they would have expressed it by now.

That's great! I'm so glad they aren't caving to the bigotry.

It’s kind of ironic that you are using bigotry to fight what you also claim is bigotry.

Unfortunately, I’m not shocked by this myopic view. The goal no longer seems to be mutual respect and shared spaces. It seems to be “give me my way and screw you.”

I say this as a fairly moderate person, who is perfectly happy to support the LGBTQA+ community AND religious communities. I’ve quickly realized, however, that there is no room for voices like mine.

The video of the protest was appalling to me. Such rude behaviors from the counter protesters: the glaring music drowning out voices, the middle finger, the rude comments. This is what Montgomery County has become?

Same here. Diversity is OK in MoCo as long as it's not viewpoint diversity. Then you must be shunned for not agreeing with them.

The fact that gay people exist in real life and therefore in some books is not a "viewpoint."

No, but not wanting your kids to be taught about it at a young age is.

Not wanting your kids to be taught about the existence of gravity at a young age is also a viewpoint.

And guess what... they don't teach kids about gravity at a young age because it's hard to understand, just like understanding why some adults think that putting on a dress and make-up changes their sex. So, I think we can all agree to wait until they are a little older to learn about both.

Lol, kids aren’t idiots. They see things, they hear things, and they understand things. Thankfully they are much more tolerant and accepting than people like you.

So you don’t agree with the concept of age appropriate topics?

But everything discussed here was age appropriate.

+100..kids have *gasp* gay parents...they understand this from day 1. Kids who have straight parents see relationship dynamics as well. You're not sitting here crying about them seeing men kiss women. Grow up. I'm so embarrassed for you.

Resorting to insults. Not unexpected.

DP, yes. People will insult you for being ignorant. Obviously it is something you're used to. Maybe read a book for a change. Get off DCUM. If you asked valid questions or brought up valid points, people would be willing to have a discourse with you. But you're fully spewing BS and don't care to learn anything new, so...

Again…
I’m the DP who posted above. Spewing hate into an anonymous forum doesn’t help your argument. You don’t appear smarter or more logical. You simply appear… hateful.

If you are trying to sway opinion, this doesn’t work. Can you cut it out?

There’s no hate. No one was trying to be smarter. It’s called common sense… Calling bigots what they are isn’t hate. Calling a nazi a nazi doesn’t make me a hateful person. It’s telling someone the truth of who they are. You seem like you can’t handle that yet. So funny how people try to spin the narrative so they aren’t the bad guy when really…. You’re the one in the wrong. Deal etc it.

So a parent wanting to opt out of their kids reading a specific book makes them a bigot? And a nazi? And we’re the ones that need to read a book and get an education?
You can’t be serious. You just can’t.

I’m sorry, was anyone talking to you? The post had nothing to do with opting out of books. Learn to read before getting upset.

You’re kidding, right? Expand this chain and then report back. It’s about age appropriate topics - LGBTQ books being one of them. And I am a contributor to this particular thread. So yes, several people were talking to me.

No one called you a bigot or a nazi for wanting to opt out. But you sure got hyper defensive about it, so that tells me you probably actually are one or the other.

Here is the problem with this whole thread, and the issue at large. Wanting to opt out does not automatically make you a bigot or a nazi. It simply doesn’t.

Here, the PP felt comfortable jumping to that conclusion. No conversation. No trying to understand different viewpoints. Just labels.

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Anonymous wrote:The decision to remove the opt-out option was made by Dr. McKnight, not the board. A few members of the BOE have voiced their strong support, but there hasn't been a vote or official statement on the issue.

Testimony during public comments around the opt-out option has been going on for months. After every round of public comments, the BOE members remark and they either ignore the negative comments or voice support for dismantling the opt-out option in the name of diversity, equity and inclusion.

If there was a contingent within the BOE who felt differently from what has been expressed, I think they would have expressed it by now.

That's great! I'm so glad they aren't caving to the bigotry.

It’s kind of ironic that you are using bigotry to fight what you also claim is bigotry.

Unfortunately, I’m not shocked by this myopic view. The goal no longer seems to be mutual respect and shared spaces. It seems to be “give me my way and screw you.”

I say this as a fairly moderate person, who is perfectly happy to support the LGBTQA+ community AND religious communities. I’ve quickly realized, however, that there is no room for voices like mine.

The video of the protest was appalling to me. Such rude behaviors from the counter protesters: the glaring music drowning out voices, the middle finger, the rude comments. This is what Montgomery County has become?

Same here. Diversity is OK in MoCo as long as it's not viewpoint diversity. Then you must be shunned for not agreeing with them.

The fact that gay people exist in real life and therefore in some books is not a "viewpoint."

No, but not wanting your kids to be taught about it at a young age is.

Not wanting your kids to be taught about the existence of gravity at a young age is also a viewpoint.

And guess what... they don't teach kids about gravity at a young age because it's hard to understand, just like understanding why some adults think that putting on a dress and make-up changes their sex. So, I think we can all agree to wait until they are a little older to learn about both.

Lol, kids aren’t idiots. They see things, they hear things, and they understand things. Thankfully they are much more tolerant and accepting than people like you.

So you don’t agree with the concept of age appropriate topics?

But everything discussed here was age appropriate.

+100..kids have *gasp* gay parents...they understand this from day 1. Kids who have straight parents see relationship dynamics as well. You're not sitting here crying about them seeing men kiss women. Grow up. I'm so embarrassed for you.

Resorting to insults. Not unexpected.

DP, yes. People will insult you for being ignorant. Obviously it is something you're used to. Maybe read a book for a change. Get off DCUM. If you asked valid questions or brought up valid points, people would be willing to have a discourse with you. But you're fully spewing BS and don't care to learn anything new, so...

Again…
I’m the DP who posted above. Spewing hate into an anonymous forum doesn’t help your argument. You don’t appear smarter or more logical. You simply appear… hateful.

If you are trying to sway opinion, this doesn’t work. Can you cut it out?

There’s no hate. No one was trying to be smarter. It’s called common sense… Calling bigots what they are isn’t hate. Calling a nazi a nazi doesn’t make me a hateful person. It’s telling someone the truth of who they are. You seem like you can’t handle that yet. So funny how people try to spin the narrative so they aren’t the bad guy when really…. You’re the one in the wrong. Deal etc it.

So a parent wanting to opt out of their kids reading a specific book makes them a bigot? And a nazi? And we’re the ones that need to read a book and get an education?
You can’t be serious. You just can’t.

I’m sorry, was anyone talking to you? The post had nothing to do with opting out of books. Learn to read before getting upset.

You’re kidding, right? Expand this chain and then report back. It’s about age appropriate topics - LGBTQ books being one of them. And I am a contributor to this particular thread. So yes, several people were talking to me.

No one called you a bigot or a nazi for wanting to opt out. But you sure got hyper defensive about it, so that tells me you probably actually are one or the other.

If someone was calling me a murderer, or a child abuser, or a rapist, I’d absolutely get defensive about it - because I am not. Are you saying unless I sit quietly you will assume by my reaction that I am a murderer/child abuser/rapist? Seems like odd logic.

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Anonymous wrote:The decision to remove the opt-out option was made by Dr. McKnight, not the board. A few members of the BOE have voiced their strong support, but there hasn't been a vote or official statement on the issue.

Testimony during public comments around the opt-out option has been going on for months. After every round of public comments, the BOE members remark and they either ignore the negative comments or voice support for dismantling the opt-out option in the name of diversity, equity and inclusion.

If there was a contingent within the BOE who felt differently from what has been expressed, I think they would have expressed it by now.

That's great! I'm so glad they aren't caving to the bigotry.

It’s kind of ironic that you are using bigotry to fight what you also claim is bigotry.

Unfortunately, I’m not shocked by this myopic view. The goal no longer seems to be mutual respect and shared spaces. It seems to be “give me my way and screw you.”

I say this as a fairly moderate person, who is perfectly happy to support the LGBTQA+ community AND religious communities. I’ve quickly realized, however, that there is no room for voices like mine.

The video of the protest was appalling to me. Such rude behaviors from the counter protesters: the glaring music drowning out voices, the middle finger, the rude comments. This is what Montgomery County has become?

Same here. Diversity is OK in MoCo as long as it's not viewpoint diversity. Then you must be shunned for not agreeing with them.

The fact that gay people exist in real life and therefore in some books is not a "viewpoint."

No, but not wanting your kids to be taught about it at a young age is.

Not wanting your kids to be taught about the existence of gravity at a young age is also a viewpoint.

And guess what... they don't teach kids about gravity at a young age because it's hard to understand, just like understanding why some adults think that putting on a dress and make-up changes their sex. So, I think we can all agree to wait until they are a little older to learn about both.

Lol, kids aren’t idiots. They see things, they hear things, and they understand things. Thankfully they are much more tolerant and accepting than people like you.

So you don’t agree with the concept of age appropriate topics?

But everything discussed here was age appropriate.

+100..kids have *gasp* gay parents...they understand this from day 1. Kids who have straight parents see relationship dynamics as well. You're not sitting here crying about them seeing men kiss women. Grow up. I'm so embarrassed for you.

Resorting to insults. Not unexpected.

DP, yes. People will insult you for being ignorant. Obviously it is something you're used to. Maybe read a book for a change. Get off DCUM. If you asked valid questions or brought up valid points, people would be willing to have a discourse with you. But you're fully spewing BS and don't care to learn anything new, so...

Again…
I’m the DP who posted above. Spewing hate into an anonymous forum doesn’t help your argument. You don’t appear smarter or more logical. You simply appear… hateful.

If you are trying to sway opinion, this doesn’t work. Can you cut it out?

There’s no hate. No one was trying to be smarter. It’s called common sense… Calling bigots what they are isn’t hate. Calling a nazi a nazi doesn’t make me a hateful person. It’s telling someone the truth of who they are. You seem like you can’t handle that yet. So funny how people try to spin the narrative so they aren’t the bad guy when really…. You’re the one in the wrong. Deal etc it.

So a parent wanting to opt out of their kids reading a specific book makes them a bigot? And a nazi? And we’re the ones that need to read a book and get an education?
You can’t be serious. You just can’t.

I’m sorry, was anyone talking to you? The post had nothing to do with opting out of books. Learn to read before getting upset.

You’re kidding, right? Expand this chain and then report back. It’s about age appropriate topics - LGBTQ books being one of them. And I am a contributor to this particular thread. So yes, several people were talking to me.

No one called you a bigot or a nazi for wanting to opt out. But you sure got hyper defensive about it, so that tells me you probably actually are one or the other.

Then explain this please:
“There’s no hate. No one was trying to be smarter. It’s called common sense… Calling bigots what they are isn’t hate. Calling a nazi a nazi doesn’t make me a hateful person. It’s telling someone the truth of who they are. You seem like you can’t handle that yet. So funny how people try to spin the narrative so they aren’t the bad guy when really…. You’re the one in the wrong. Deal etc it.”

Who exactly are you calling a bigot or Nazi? Because if it wasn’t aimed at me my bad.

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Anonymous wrote:The decision to remove the opt-out option was made by Dr. McKnight, not the board. A few members of the BOE have voiced their strong support, but there hasn't been a vote or official statement on the issue.

Testimony during public comments around the opt-out option has been going on for months. After every round of public comments, the BOE members remark and they either ignore the negative comments or voice support for dismantling the opt-out option in the name of diversity, equity and inclusion.

If there was a contingent within the BOE who felt differently from what has been expressed, I think they would have expressed it by now.

That's great! I'm so glad they aren't caving to the bigotry.

It’s kind of ironic that you are using bigotry to fight what you also claim is bigotry.

Unfortunately, I’m not shocked by this myopic view. The goal no longer seems to be mutual respect and shared spaces. It seems to be “give me my way and screw you.”

I say this as a fairly moderate person, who is perfectly happy to support the LGBTQA+ community AND religious communities. I’ve quickly realized, however, that there is no room for voices like mine.

The video of the protest was appalling to me. Such rude behaviors from the counter protesters: the glaring music drowning out voices, the middle finger, the rude comments. This is what Montgomery County has become?

Same here. Diversity is OK in MoCo as long as it's not viewpoint diversity. Then you must be shunned for not agreeing with them.

The fact that gay people exist in real life and therefore in some books is not a "viewpoint."

No, but not wanting your kids to be taught about it at a young age is.

Not wanting your kids to be taught about the existence of gravity at a young age is also a viewpoint.

And guess what... they don't teach kids about gravity at a young age because it's hard to understand, just like understanding why some adults think that putting on a dress and make-up changes their sex. So, I think we can all agree to wait until they are a little older to learn about both.

Lol, kids aren’t idiots. They see things, they hear things, and they understand things. Thankfully they are much more tolerant and accepting than people like you.

So you don’t agree with the concept of age appropriate topics?

But everything discussed here was age appropriate.

+100..kids have *gasp* gay parents...they understand this from day 1. Kids who have straight parents see relationship dynamics as well. You're not sitting here crying about them seeing men kiss women. Grow up. I'm so embarrassed for you.

Resorting to insults. Not unexpected.

DP, yes. People will insult you for being ignorant. Obviously it is something you're used to. Maybe read a book for a change. Get off DCUM. If you asked valid questions or brought up valid points, people would be willing to have a discourse with you. But you're fully spewing BS and don't care to learn anything new, so...

Again…
I’m the DP who posted above. Spewing hate into an anonymous forum doesn’t help your argument. You don’t appear smarter or more logical. You simply appear… hateful.

If you are trying to sway opinion, this doesn’t work. Can you cut it out?

There’s no hate. No one was trying to be smarter. It’s called common sense… Calling bigots what they are isn’t hate. Calling a nazi a nazi doesn’t make me a hateful person. It’s telling someone the truth of who they are. You seem like you can’t handle that yet. So funny how people try to spin the narrative so they aren’t the bad guy when really…. You’re the one in the wrong. Deal etc it.

So a parent wanting to opt out of their kids reading a specific book makes them a bigot? And a nazi? And we’re the ones that need to read a book and get an education?
You can’t be serious. You just can’t.

Bigots are my way or highway. But same group will try to paint anyone opposing as bigots. It's very old trick.

I don't care even a bit about this LGBT or Muslim agenda. I see all of them as person and as long as they are not forcing their agenda, I have no issue with any group. Juts teach your LGBT stuff at home and teach your religious stuff at home. Let school be for teaching core subject because MCPS can't teach core subject. Let's focus on that.

THIS

Why can no one get it through their head that the books are part of the reading curriculum - not family life or anything else. They are in addition to all of the other texts available. As far as I know READING is a core subject.

Keep your LGBT agenda out of school. Keep your religious agenda out of school.

Keep your straight agenda out of school then.

The norm isn’t an agenda…it’s just the norm.
(And yes, gay people are NORMAL, but heterosexual couples are the norm in our society. You cannot argue that. I mean you will, but you’d be wrong.)

White people could also be said to be "the norm in our society." Should books only have white characters?

This is why I think the CAIR MoCo strategic alliance with Moms for Liberty is so wrong-headed. Moms for Liberty has consistently argued against fact-based teaching of the civil rights movement, and so-called "critical race theory," which they have defined as any teaching that does not center white male slaveholders in our discussion of US history.

They oppose multicultural education, which includes baseline education of cultural and religious differences.

Agreed. I think it was a bad decision for multiple reasons.

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Anonymous wrote:The decision to remove the opt-out option was made by Dr. McKnight, not the board. A few members of the BOE have voiced their strong support, but there hasn't been a vote or official statement on the issue.

Testimony during public comments around the opt-out option has been going on for months. After every round of public comments, the BOE members remark and they either ignore the negative comments or voice support for dismantling the opt-out option in the name of diversity, equity and inclusion.

If there was a contingent within the BOE who felt differently from what has been expressed, I think they would have expressed it by now.

That's great! I'm so glad they aren't caving to the bigotry.

It’s kind of ironic that you are using bigotry to fight what you also claim is bigotry.

Unfortunately, I’m not shocked by this myopic view. The goal no longer seems to be mutual respect and shared spaces. It seems to be “give me my way and screw you.”

I say this as a fairly moderate person, who is perfectly happy to support the LGBTQA+ community AND religious communities. I’ve quickly realized, however, that there is no room for voices like mine.

The video of the protest was appalling to me. Such rude behaviors from the counter protesters: the glaring music drowning out voices, the middle finger, the rude comments. This is what Montgomery County has become?

Same here. Diversity is OK in MoCo as long as it's not viewpoint diversity. Then you must be shunned for not agreeing with them.

The fact that gay people exist in real life and therefore in some books is not a "viewpoint."

No, but not wanting your kids to be taught about it at a young age is.

Not wanting your kids to be taught about the existence of gravity at a young age is also a viewpoint.

And guess what... they don't teach kids about gravity at a young age because it's hard to understand, just like understanding why some adults think that putting on a dress and make-up changes their sex. So, I think we can all agree to wait until they are a little older to learn about both.

Lol, kids aren’t idiots. They see things, they hear things, and they understand things. Thankfully they are much more tolerant and accepting than people like you.

So you don’t agree with the concept of age appropriate topics?

But everything discussed here was age appropriate.

+100..kids have *gasp* gay parents...they understand this from day 1. Kids who have straight parents see relationship dynamics as well. You're not sitting here crying about them seeing men kiss women. Grow up. I'm so embarrassed for you.

Resorting to insults. Not unexpected.

DP, yes. People will insult you for being ignorant. Obviously it is something you're used to. Maybe read a book for a change. Get off DCUM. If you asked valid questions or brought up valid points, people would be willing to have a discourse with you. But you're fully spewing BS and don't care to learn anything new, so...

Again…
I’m the DP who posted above. Spewing hate into an anonymous forum doesn’t help your argument. You don’t appear smarter or more logical. You simply appear… hateful.

If you are trying to sway opinion, this doesn’t work. Can you cut it out?

There’s no hate. No one was trying to be smarter. It’s called common sense… Calling bigots what they are isn’t hate. Calling a nazi a nazi doesn’t make me a hateful person. It’s telling someone the truth of who they are. You seem like you can’t handle that yet. So funny how people try to spin the narrative so they aren’t the bad guy when really…. You’re the one in the wrong. Deal etc it.

So a parent wanting to opt out of their kids reading a specific book makes them a bigot? And a nazi? And we’re the ones that need to read a book and get an education?
You can’t be serious. You just can’t.

Bigots are my way or highway. But same group will try to paint anyone opposing as bigots. It's very old trick.

I don't care even a bit about this LGBT or Muslim agenda. I see all of them as person and as long as they are not forcing their agenda, I have no issue with any group. Juts teach your LGBT stuff at home and teach your religious stuff at home. Let school be for teaching core subject because MCPS can't teach core subject. Let's focus on that.

THIS

Why can no one get it through their head that the books are part of the reading curriculum - not family life or anything else. They are in addition to all of the other texts available. As far as I know READING is a core subject.

Keep your LGBT agenda out of school. Keep your religious agenda out of school.

Keep your straight agenda out of school then.

The norm isn’t an agenda…it’s just the norm.
(And yes, gay people are NORMAL, but heterosexual couples are the norm in our society. You cannot argue that. I mean you will, but you’d be wrong.)

White people could also be said to be "the norm in our society." Should books only have white characters?

This is why I think the CAIR MoCo strategic alliance with Moms for Liberty is so wrong-headed. Moms for Liberty has consistently argued against fact-based teaching of the civil rights movement, and so-called "critical race theory," which they have defined as any teaching that does not center white male slaveholders in our discussion of US history.

They oppose multicultural education, which includes baseline education of cultural and religious differences.

Agreed. I think it was a bad decision for multiple reasons.

And Mink's decision to say "Muslim families" are linked to white supremacist groups (Moms for Liberty is not categorized by anyone as a white supremacist group) was also a bad decision for multiple reasons.

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Anonymous wrote:The decision to remove the opt-out option was made by Dr. McKnight, not the board. A few members of the BOE have voiced their strong support, but there hasn't been a vote or official statement on the issue.

Testimony during public comments around the opt-out option has been going on for months. After every round of public comments, the BOE members remark and they either ignore the negative comments or voice support for dismantling the opt-out option in the name of diversity, equity and inclusion.

If there was a contingent within the BOE who felt differently from what has been expressed, I think they would have expressed it by now.

That's great! I'm so glad they aren't caving to the bigotry.

It’s kind of ironic that you are using bigotry to fight what you also claim is bigotry.

Unfortunately, I’m not shocked by this myopic view. The goal no longer seems to be mutual respect and shared spaces. It seems to be “give me my way and screw you.”

I say this as a fairly moderate person, who is perfectly happy to support the LGBTQA+ community AND religious communities. I’ve quickly realized, however, that there is no room for voices like mine.

The video of the protest was appalling to me. Such rude behaviors from the counter protesters: the glaring music drowning out voices, the middle finger, the rude comments. This is what Montgomery County has become?

Same here. Diversity is OK in MoCo as long as it's not viewpoint diversity. Then you must be shunned for not agreeing with them.

The fact that gay people exist in real life and therefore in some books is not a "viewpoint."

No, but not wanting your kids to be taught about it at a young age is.

Not wanting your kids to be taught about the existence of gravity at a young age is also a viewpoint.

And guess what... they don't teach kids about gravity at a young age because it's hard to understand, just like understanding why some adults think that putting on a dress and make-up changes their sex. So, I think we can all agree to wait until they are a little older to learn about both.

Lol, kids aren’t idiots. They see things, they hear things, and they understand things. Thankfully they are much more tolerant and accepting than people like you.

So you don’t agree with the concept of age appropriate topics?

But everything discussed here was age appropriate.

+100..kids have *gasp* gay parents...they understand this from day 1. Kids who have straight parents see relationship dynamics as well. You're not sitting here crying about them seeing men kiss women. Grow up. I'm so embarrassed for you.

Resorting to insults. Not unexpected.

DP, yes. People will insult you for being ignorant. Obviously it is something you're used to. Maybe read a book for a change. Get off DCUM. If you asked valid questions or brought up valid points, people would be willing to have a discourse with you. But you're fully spewing BS and don't care to learn anything new, so...

Again…
I’m the DP who posted above. Spewing hate into an anonymous forum doesn’t help your argument. You don’t appear smarter or more logical. You simply appear… hateful.

If you are trying to sway opinion, this doesn’t work. Can you cut it out?

There’s no hate. No one was trying to be smarter. It’s called common sense… Calling bigots what they are isn’t hate. Calling a nazi a nazi doesn’t make me a hateful person. It’s telling someone the truth of who they are. You seem like you can’t handle that yet. So funny how people try to spin the narrative so they aren’t the bad guy when really…. You’re the one in the wrong. Deal etc it.

So a parent wanting to opt out of their kids reading a specific book makes them a bigot? And a nazi? And we’re the ones that need to read a book and get an education?
You can’t be serious. You just can’t.

Bigots are my way or highway. But same group will try to paint anyone opposing as bigots. It's very old trick.

I don't care even a bit about this LGBT or Muslim agenda. I see all of them as person and as long as they are not forcing their agenda, I have no issue with any group. Juts teach your LGBT stuff at home and teach your religious stuff at home. Let school be for teaching core subject because MCPS can't teach core subject. Let's focus on that.

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Why can no one get it through their head that the books are part of the reading curriculum - not family life or anything else. They are in addition to all of the other texts available. As far as I know READING is a core subject.

Keep your LGBT agenda out of school. Keep your religious agenda out of school.

Keep your straight agenda out of school then.

The norm isn’t an agenda…it’s just the norm.
(And yes, gay people are NORMAL, but heterosexual couples are the norm in our society. You cannot argue that. I mean you will, but you’d be wrong.)

White people could also be said to be "the norm in our society." Should books only have white characters?

This is why I think the CAIR MoCo strategic alliance with Moms for Liberty is so wrong-headed. Moms for Liberty has consistently argued against fact-based teaching of the civil rights movement, and so-called "critical race theory," which they have defined as any teaching that does not center white male slaveholders in our discussion of US history.

They oppose multicultural education, which includes baseline education of cultural and religious differences.

Agreed. I think it was a bad decision for multiple reasons.

And Mink's decision to say "Muslim families" are linked to white supremacist groups (Moms for Liberty is not categorized by anyone as a white supremacist group) was also a bad decision for multiple reasons.

I think there's a big difference between "Muslim families" (which she didn't say) and "some Muslim families," and I don't think there's much difference at all between a Christian-nationalist group and a white-supremacist group.

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Anonymous wrote:The decision to remove the opt-out option was made by Dr. McKnight, not the board. A few members of the BOE have voiced their strong support, but there hasn't been a vote or official statement on the issue.

Testimony during public comments around the opt-out option has been going on for months. After every round of public comments, the BOE members remark and they either ignore the negative comments or voice support for dismantling the opt-out option in the name of diversity, equity and inclusion.

If there was a contingent within the BOE who felt differently from what has been expressed, I think they would have expressed it by now.

That's great! I'm so glad they aren't caving to the bigotry.

It’s kind of ironic that you are using bigotry to fight what you also claim is bigotry.

Unfortunately, I’m not shocked by this myopic view. The goal no longer seems to be mutual respect and shared spaces. It seems to be “give me my way and screw you.”

I say this as a fairly moderate person, who is perfectly happy to support the LGBTQA+ community AND religious communities. I’ve quickly realized, however, that there is no room for voices like mine.

The video of the protest was appalling to me. Such rude behaviors from the counter protesters: the glaring music drowning out voices, the middle finger, the rude comments. This is what Montgomery County has become?

Same here. Diversity is OK in MoCo as long as it's not viewpoint diversity. Then you must be shunned for not agreeing with them.

The fact that gay people exist in real life and therefore in some books is not a "viewpoint."

No, but not wanting your kids to be taught about it at a young age is.

Not wanting your kids to be taught about the existence of gravity at a young age is also a viewpoint.

And guess what... they don't teach kids about gravity at a young age because it's hard to understand, just like understanding why some adults think that putting on a dress and make-up changes their sex. So, I think we can all agree to wait until they are a little older to learn about both.

Lol, kids aren’t idiots. They see things, they hear things, and they understand things. Thankfully they are much more tolerant and accepting than people like you.

So you don’t agree with the concept of age appropriate topics?

But everything discussed here was age appropriate.

+100..kids have *gasp* gay parents...they understand this from day 1. Kids who have straight parents see relationship dynamics as well. You're not sitting here crying about them seeing men kiss women. Grow up. I'm so embarrassed for you.

Resorting to insults. Not unexpected.

DP, yes. People will insult you for being ignorant. Obviously it is something you're used to. Maybe read a book for a change. Get off DCUM. If you asked valid questions or brought up valid points, people would be willing to have a discourse with you. But you're fully spewing BS and don't care to learn anything new, so...

Again…
I’m the DP who posted above. Spewing hate into an anonymous forum doesn’t help your argument. You don’t appear smarter or more logical. You simply appear… hateful.

If you are trying to sway opinion, this doesn’t work. Can you cut it out?

There’s no hate. No one was trying to be smarter. It’s called common sense… Calling bigots what they are isn’t hate. Calling a nazi a nazi doesn’t make me a hateful person. It’s telling someone the truth of who they are. You seem like you can’t handle that yet. So funny how people try to spin the narrative so they aren’t the bad guy when really…. You’re the one in the wrong. Deal etc it.

So a parent wanting to opt out of their kids reading a specific book makes them a bigot? And a nazi? And we’re the ones that need to read a book and get an education?
You can’t be serious. You just can’t.

Bigots are my way or highway. But same group will try to paint anyone opposing as bigots. It's very old trick.

I don't care even a bit about this LGBT or Muslim agenda. I see all of them as person and as long as they are not forcing their agenda, I have no issue with any group. Juts teach your LGBT stuff at home and teach your religious stuff at home. Let school be for teaching core subject because MCPS can't teach core subject. Let's focus on that.

THIS

Why can no one get it through their head that the books are part of the reading curriculum - not family life or anything else. They are in addition to all of the other texts available. As far as I know READING is a core subject.

Keep your LGBT agenda out of school. Keep your religious agenda out of school.

Keep your straight agenda out of school then.

The norm isn’t an agenda…it’s just the norm.
(And yes, gay people are NORMAL, but heterosexual couples are the norm in our society. You cannot argue that. I mean you will, but you’d be wrong.)

White people could also be said to be "the norm in our society." Should books only have white characters?

This is why I think the CAIR MoCo strategic alliance with Moms for Liberty is so wrong-headed. Moms for Liberty has consistently argued against fact-based teaching of the civil rights movement, and so-called "critical race theory," which they have defined as any teaching that does not center white male slaveholders in our discussion of US history.

They oppose multicultural education, which includes baseline education of cultural and religious differences.

Agreed. I think it was a bad decision for multiple reasons.

And Mink's decision to say "Muslim families" are linked to white supremacist groups (Moms for Liberty is not categorized by anyone as a white supremacist group) was also a bad decision for multiple reasons.

I think there's a big difference between "Muslim families" (which she didn't say) and "some Muslim families," and I don't think there's much difference at all between a Christian-nationalist group and a white-supremacist group.

DP.

And all of this detracts from the main point: Mink’s inappropriate comments.

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Anonymous wrote:The decision to remove the opt-out option was made by Dr. McKnight, not the board. A few members of the BOE have voiced their strong support, but there hasn't been a vote or official statement on the issue.

Testimony during public comments around the opt-out option has been going on for months. After every round of public comments, the BOE members remark and they either ignore the negative comments or voice support for dismantling the opt-out option in the name of diversity, equity and inclusion.

If there was a contingent within the BOE who felt differently from what has been expressed, I think they would have expressed it by now.

That's great! I'm so glad they aren't caving to the bigotry.

It’s kind of ironic that you are using bigotry to fight what you also claim is bigotry.

Unfortunately, I’m not shocked by this myopic view. The goal no longer seems to be mutual respect and shared spaces. It seems to be “give me my way and screw you.”

I say this as a fairly moderate person, who is perfectly happy to support the LGBTQA+ community AND religious communities. I’ve quickly realized, however, that there is no room for voices like mine.

The video of the protest was appalling to me. Such rude behaviors from the counter protesters: the glaring music drowning out voices, the middle finger, the rude comments. This is what Montgomery County has become?

Same here. Diversity is OK in MoCo as long as it's not viewpoint diversity. Then you must be shunned for not agreeing with them.

The fact that gay people exist in real life and therefore in some books is not a "viewpoint."

No, but not wanting your kids to be taught about it at a young age is.

Not wanting your kids to be taught about the existence of gravity at a young age is also a viewpoint.

And guess what... they don't teach kids about gravity at a young age because it's hard to understand, just like understanding why some adults think that putting on a dress and make-up changes their sex. So, I think we can all agree to wait until they are a little older to learn about both.

Lol, kids aren’t idiots. They see things, they hear things, and they understand things. Thankfully they are much more tolerant and accepting than people like you.

So you don’t agree with the concept of age appropriate topics?

But everything discussed here was age appropriate.

+100..kids have *gasp* gay parents...they understand this from day 1. Kids who have straight parents see relationship dynamics as well. You're not sitting here crying about them seeing men kiss women. Grow up. I'm so embarrassed for you.

Resorting to insults. Not unexpected.

DP, yes. People will insult you for being ignorant. Obviously it is something you're used to. Maybe read a book for a change. Get off DCUM. If you asked valid questions or brought up valid points, people would be willing to have a discourse with you. But you're fully spewing BS and don't care to learn anything new, so...

Again…
I’m the DP who posted above. Spewing hate into an anonymous forum doesn’t help your argument. You don’t appear smarter or more logical. You simply appear… hateful.

If you are trying to sway opinion, this doesn’t work. Can you cut it out?

There’s no hate. No one was trying to be smarter. It’s called common sense… Calling bigots what they are isn’t hate. Calling a nazi a nazi doesn’t make me a hateful person. It’s telling someone the truth of who they are. You seem like you can’t handle that yet. So funny how people try to spin the narrative so they aren’t the bad guy when really…. You’re the one in the wrong. Deal etc it.

So a parent wanting to opt out of their kids reading a specific book makes them a bigot? And a nazi? And we’re the ones that need to read a book and get an education?
You can’t be serious. You just can’t.

Bigots are my way or highway. But same group will try to paint anyone opposing as bigots. It's very old trick.

I don't care even a bit about this LGBT or Muslim agenda. I see all of them as person and as long as they are not forcing their agenda, I have no issue with any group. Juts teach your LGBT stuff at home and teach your religious stuff at home. Let school be for teaching core subject because MCPS can't teach core subject. Let's focus on that.

THIS

Why can no one get it through their head that the books are part of the reading curriculum - not family life or anything else. They are in addition to all of the other texts available. As far as I know READING is a core subject.

Keep your LGBT agenda out of school. Keep your religious agenda out of school.

Keep your straight agenda out of school then.

The norm isn’t an agenda…it’s just the norm.
(And yes, gay people are NORMAL, but heterosexual couples are the norm in our society. You cannot argue that. I mean you will, but you’d be wrong.)

White people could also be said to be "the norm in our society." Should books only have white characters?

This is why I think the CAIR MoCo strategic alliance with Moms for Liberty is so wrong-headed. Moms for Liberty has consistently argued against fact-based teaching of the civil rights movement, and so-called "critical race theory," which they have defined as any teaching that does not center white male slaveholders in our discussion of US history.

They oppose multicultural education, which includes baseline education of cultural and religious differences.

Agreed. I think it was a bad decision for multiple reasons.

And Mink's decision to say "Muslim families" are linked to white supremacist groups (Moms for Liberty is not categorized by anyone as a white supremacist group) was also a bad decision for multiple reasons.

I think there's a big difference between "Muslim families" (which she didn't say) and "some Muslim families," and I don't think there's much difference at all between a Christian-nationalist group and a white-supremacist group.

DP.

And all of this detracts from the main point: Mink’s inappropriate comments.

The main point is the MCPS policy, which (rightly, in my opinion) does not allow parents to opt their children out of certain books in the ELA curriculum.