BOE Response to Council Member’s Testimony re Muslim Faith and White Supremacy

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Anonymous wrote:The decision to remove the opt-out option was made by Dr. McKnight, not the board. A few members of the BOE have voiced their strong support, but there hasn't been a vote or official statement on the issue.

Testimony during public comments around the opt-out option has been going on for months. After every round of public comments, the BOE members remark and they either ignore the negative comments or voice support for dismantling the opt-out option in the name of diversity, equity and inclusion.

If there was a contingent within the BOE who felt differently from what has been expressed, I think they would have expressed it by now.

That's great! I'm so glad they aren't caving to the bigotry.

It’s kind of ironic that you are using bigotry to fight what you also claim is bigotry.

Unfortunately, I’m not shocked by this myopic view. The goal no longer seems to be mutual respect and shared spaces. It seems to be “give me my way and screw you.”

I say this as a fairly moderate person, who is perfectly happy to support the LGBTQA+ community AND religious communities. I’ve quickly realized, however, that there is no room for voices like mine.

The video of the protest was appalling to me. Such rude behaviors from the counter protesters: the glaring music drowning out voices, the middle finger, the rude comments. This is what Montgomery County has become?

Same here. Diversity is OK in MoCo as long as it's not viewpoint diversity. Then you must be shunned for not agreeing with them.

The fact that gay people exist in real life and therefore in some books is not a "viewpoint."

No, but not wanting your kids to be taught about it at a young age is.

Not wanting your kids to be taught about the existence of gravity at a young age is also a viewpoint.

And guess what... they don't teach kids about gravity at a young age because it's hard to understand, just like understanding why some adults think that putting on a dress and make-up changes their sex. So, I think we can all agree to wait until they are a little older to learn about both.

Lol, kids aren’t idiots. They see things, they hear things, and they understand things. Thankfully they are much more tolerant and accepting than people like you.

So you don’t agree with the concept of age appropriate topics?

But everything discussed here was age appropriate.

+100..kids have *gasp* gay parents...they understand this from day 1. Kids who have straight parents see relationship dynamics as well. You're not sitting here crying about them seeing men kiss women. Grow up. I'm so embarrassed for you.

Resorting to insults. Not unexpected.

DP, yes. People will insult you for being ignorant. Obviously it is something you're used to. Maybe read a book for a change. Get off DCUM. If you asked valid questions or brought up valid points, people would be willing to have a discourse with you. But you're fully spewing BS and don't care to learn anything new, so...

Again…
I’m the DP who posted above. Spewing hate into an anonymous forum doesn’t help your argument. You don’t appear smarter or more logical. You simply appear… hateful.

If you are trying to sway opinion, this doesn’t work. Can you cut it out?

There’s no hate. No one was trying to be smarter. It’s called common sense… Calling bigots what they are isn’t hate. Calling a nazi a nazi doesn’t make me a hateful person. It’s telling someone the truth of who they are. You seem like you can’t handle that yet. So funny how people try to spin the narrative so they aren’t the bad guy when really…. You’re the one in the wrong. Deal etc it.

So a parent wanting to opt out of their kids reading a specific book makes them a bigot? And a nazi? And we’re the ones that need to read a book and get an education?
You can’t be serious. You just can’t.

Bigots are my way or highway. But same group will try to paint anyone opposing as bigots. It's very old trick.

I don't care even a bit about this LGBT or Muslim agenda. I see all of them as person and as long as they are not forcing their agenda, I have no issue with any group. Juts teach your LGBT stuff at home and teach your religious stuff at home. Let school be for teaching core subject because MCPS can't teach core subject. Let's focus on that.

THIS

Why can no one get it through their head that the books are part of the reading curriculum - not family life or anything else. They are in addition to all of the other texts available. As far as I know READING is a core subject.

Keep your LGBT agenda out of school. Keep your religious agenda out of school.

Keep your straight agenda out of school then.

The norm isn’t an agenda…it’s just the norm.
(And yes, gay people are NORMAL, but heterosexual couples are the norm in our society. You cannot argue that. I mean you will, but you’d be wrong.)

White people could also be said to be "the norm in our society." Should books only have white characters?

This is why I think the CAIR MoCo strategic alliance with Moms for Liberty is so wrong-headed. Moms for Liberty has consistently argued against fact-based teaching of the civil rights movement, and so-called "critical race theory," which they have defined as any teaching that does not center white male slaveholders in our discussion of US history.

They oppose multicultural education, which includes baseline education of cultural and religious differences.

Agreed. I think it was a bad decision for multiple reasons.

And Mink's decision to say "Muslim families" are linked to white supremacist groups (Moms for Liberty is not categorized by anyone as a white supremacist group) was also a bad decision for multiple reasons.

I think there's a big difference between "Muslim families" (which she didn't say) and "some Muslim families," and I don't think there's much difference at all between a Christian-nationalist group and a white-supremacist group.

Moms for Liberty is horrible, but they are not a violent terrorist group. Many White supremacist groups are, because they are explicitly hateful. You could make the argument that groups like Moms for Liberty are worse because more people buy into their BS, but that doesn't mean they are the same.

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Anonymous wrote:The decision to remove the opt-out option was made by Dr. McKnight, not the board. A few members of the BOE have voiced their strong support, but there hasn't been a vote or official statement on the issue.

Testimony during public comments around the opt-out option has been going on for months. After every round of public comments, the BOE members remark and they either ignore the negative comments or voice support for dismantling the opt-out option in the name of diversity, equity and inclusion.

If there was a contingent within the BOE who felt differently from what has been expressed, I think they would have expressed it by now.

That's great! I'm so glad they aren't caving to the bigotry.

It’s kind of ironic that you are using bigotry to fight what you also claim is bigotry.

Unfortunately, I’m not shocked by this myopic view. The goal no longer seems to be mutual respect and shared spaces. It seems to be “give me my way and screw you.”

I say this as a fairly moderate person, who is perfectly happy to support the LGBTQA+ community AND religious communities. I’ve quickly realized, however, that there is no room for voices like mine.

The video of the protest was appalling to me. Such rude behaviors from the counter protesters: the glaring music drowning out voices, the middle finger, the rude comments. This is what Montgomery County has become?

Same here. Diversity is OK in MoCo as long as it's not viewpoint diversity. Then you must be shunned for not agreeing with them.

The fact that gay people exist in real life and therefore in some books is not a "viewpoint."

No, but not wanting your kids to be taught about it at a young age is.

Not wanting your kids to be taught about the existence of gravity at a young age is also a viewpoint.

And guess what... they don't teach kids about gravity at a young age because it's hard to understand, just like understanding why some adults think that putting on a dress and make-up changes their sex. So, I think we can all agree to wait until they are a little older to learn about both.

Lol, kids aren’t idiots. They see things, they hear things, and they understand things. Thankfully they are much more tolerant and accepting than people like you.

So you don’t agree with the concept of age appropriate topics?

But everything discussed here was age appropriate.

+100..kids have *gasp* gay parents...they understand this from day 1. Kids who have straight parents see relationship dynamics as well. You're not sitting here crying about them seeing men kiss women. Grow up. I'm so embarrassed for you.

Resorting to insults. Not unexpected.

DP, yes. People will insult you for being ignorant. Obviously it is something you're used to. Maybe read a book for a change. Get off DCUM. If you asked valid questions or brought up valid points, people would be willing to have a discourse with you. But you're fully spewing BS and don't care to learn anything new, so...

Again…
I’m the DP who posted above. Spewing hate into an anonymous forum doesn’t help your argument. You don’t appear smarter or more logical. You simply appear… hateful.

If you are trying to sway opinion, this doesn’t work. Can you cut it out?

There’s no hate. No one was trying to be smarter. It’s called common sense… Calling bigots what they are isn’t hate. Calling a nazi a nazi doesn’t make me a hateful person. It’s telling someone the truth of who they are. You seem like you can’t handle that yet. So funny how people try to spin the narrative so they aren’t the bad guy when really…. You’re the one in the wrong. Deal etc it.

So a parent wanting to opt out of their kids reading a specific book makes them a bigot? And a nazi? And we’re the ones that need to read a book and get an education?
You can’t be serious. You just can’t.

Bigots are my way or highway. But same group will try to paint anyone opposing as bigots. It's very old trick.

I don't care even a bit about this LGBT or Muslim agenda. I see all of them as person and as long as they are not forcing their agenda, I have no issue with any group. Juts teach your LGBT stuff at home and teach your religious stuff at home. Let school be for teaching core subject because MCPS can't teach core subject. Let's focus on that.

THIS

Why can no one get it through their head that the books are part of the reading curriculum - not family life or anything else. They are in addition to all of the other texts available. As far as I know READING is a core subject.

Keep your LGBT agenda out of school. Keep your religious agenda out of school.

Keep your straight agenda out of school then.

The norm isn’t an agenda…it’s just the norm.
(And yes, gay people are NORMAL, but heterosexual couples are the norm in our society. You cannot argue that. I mean you will, but you’d be wrong.)

White people could also be said to be "the norm in our society." Should books only have white characters?

This is why I think the CAIR MoCo strategic alliance with Moms for Liberty is so wrong-headed. Moms for Liberty has consistently argued against fact-based teaching of the civil rights movement, and so-called "critical race theory," which they have defined as any teaching that does not center white male slaveholders in our discussion of US history.

They oppose multicultural education, which includes baseline education of cultural and religious differences.

Agreed. I think it was a bad decision for multiple reasons.

And Mink's decision to say "Muslim families" are linked to white supremacist groups (Moms for Liberty is not categorized by anyone as a white supremacist group) was also a bad decision for multiple reasons.

I think there's a big difference between "Muslim families" (which she didn't say) and "some Muslim families," and I don't think there's much difference at all between a Christian-nationalist group and a white-supremacist group.

DP.

And all of this detracts from the main point: Mink’s inappropriate comments.

The main point is the MCPS policy, which (rightly, in my opinion) does not allow parents to opt their children out of certain books in the ELA curriculum.

Trying to distract from Mink's horrible comments which were about "some Muslim families" (but don't worry, some, she assumes, are good people).

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Anonymous wrote:The decision to remove the opt-out option was made by Dr. McKnight, not the board. A few members of the BOE have voiced their strong support, but there hasn't been a vote or official statement on the issue.

Testimony during public comments around the opt-out option has been going on for months. After every round of public comments, the BOE members remark and they either ignore the negative comments or voice support for dismantling the opt-out option in the name of diversity, equity and inclusion.

If there was a contingent within the BOE who felt differently from what has been expressed, I think they would have expressed it by now.

That's great! I'm so glad they aren't caving to the bigotry.

It’s kind of ironic that you are using bigotry to fight what you also claim is bigotry.

Unfortunately, I’m not shocked by this myopic view. The goal no longer seems to be mutual respect and shared spaces. It seems to be “give me my way and screw you.”

I say this as a fairly moderate person, who is perfectly happy to support the LGBTQA+ community AND religious communities. I’ve quickly realized, however, that there is no room for voices like mine.

The video of the protest was appalling to me. Such rude behaviors from the counter protesters: the glaring music drowning out voices, the middle finger, the rude comments. This is what Montgomery County has become?

Same here. Diversity is OK in MoCo as long as it's not viewpoint diversity. Then you must be shunned for not agreeing with them.

The fact that gay people exist in real life and therefore in some books is not a "viewpoint."

No, but not wanting your kids to be taught about it at a young age is.

Not wanting your kids to be taught about the existence of gravity at a young age is also a viewpoint.

And guess what... they don't teach kids about gravity at a young age because it's hard to understand, just like understanding why some adults think that putting on a dress and make-up changes their sex. So, I think we can all agree to wait until they are a little older to learn about both.

Lol, kids aren’t idiots. They see things, they hear things, and they understand things. Thankfully they are much more tolerant and accepting than people like you.

So you don’t agree with the concept of age appropriate topics?

But everything discussed here was age appropriate.

+100..kids have *gasp* gay parents...they understand this from day 1. Kids who have straight parents see relationship dynamics as well. You're not sitting here crying about them seeing men kiss women. Grow up. I'm so embarrassed for you.

Resorting to insults. Not unexpected.

DP, yes. People will insult you for being ignorant. Obviously it is something you're used to. Maybe read a book for a change. Get off DCUM. If you asked valid questions or brought up valid points, people would be willing to have a discourse with you. But you're fully spewing BS and don't care to learn anything new, so...

Again…
I’m the DP who posted above. Spewing hate into an anonymous forum doesn’t help your argument. You don’t appear smarter or more logical. You simply appear… hateful.

If you are trying to sway opinion, this doesn’t work. Can you cut it out?

There’s no hate. No one was trying to be smarter. It’s called common sense… Calling bigots what they are isn’t hate. Calling a nazi a nazi doesn’t make me a hateful person. It’s telling someone the truth of who they are. You seem like you can’t handle that yet. So funny how people try to spin the narrative so they aren’t the bad guy when really…. You’re the one in the wrong. Deal etc it.

So a parent wanting to opt out of their kids reading a specific book makes them a bigot? And a nazi? And we’re the ones that need to read a book and get an education?
You can’t be serious. You just can’t.

Bigots are my way or highway. But same group will try to paint anyone opposing as bigots. It's very old trick.

I don't care even a bit about this LGBT or Muslim agenda. I see all of them as person and as long as they are not forcing their agenda, I have no issue with any group. Juts teach your LGBT stuff at home and teach your religious stuff at home. Let school be for teaching core subject because MCPS can't teach core subject. Let's focus on that.

THIS

Why can no one get it through their head that the books are part of the reading curriculum - not family life or anything else. They are in addition to all of the other texts available. As far as I know READING is a core subject.

Keep your LGBT agenda out of school. Keep your religious agenda out of school.

Keep your straight agenda out of school then.

The norm isn’t an agenda…it’s just the norm.
(And yes, gay people are NORMAL, but heterosexual couples are the norm in our society. You cannot argue that. I mean you will, but you’d be wrong.)

White people could also be said to be "the norm in our society." Should books only have white characters?

This is why I think the CAIR MoCo strategic alliance with Moms for Liberty is so wrong-headed. Moms for Liberty has consistently argued against fact-based teaching of the civil rights movement, and so-called "critical race theory," which they have defined as any teaching that does not center white male slaveholders in our discussion of US history.

They oppose multicultural education, which includes baseline education of cultural and religious differences.

Agreed. I think it was a bad decision for multiple reasons.

And Mink's decision to say "Muslim families" are linked to white supremacist groups (Moms for Liberty is not categorized by anyone as a white supremacist group) was also a bad decision for multiple reasons.

I think there's a big difference between "Muslim families" (which she didn't say) and "some Muslim families," and I don't think there's much difference at all between a Christian-nationalist group and a white-supremacist group.

DP.

And all of this detracts from the main point: Mink’s inappropriate comments.

The main point is the MCPS policy, which (rightly, in my opinion) does not allow parents to opt their children out of certain books in the ELA curriculum.

Trying to distract from Mink's horrible comments which were about "some Muslim families" (but don't worry, some, she assumes, are good people).

Some of us look at the big picture (the policy), and some of us try to stir the the pot.

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Anonymous wrote:The decision to remove the opt-out option was made by Dr. McKnight, not the board. A few members of the BOE have voiced their strong support, but there hasn't been a vote or official statement on the issue.

Testimony during public comments around the opt-out option has been going on for months. After every round of public comments, the BOE members remark and they either ignore the negative comments or voice support for dismantling the opt-out option in the name of diversity, equity and inclusion.

If there was a contingent within the BOE who felt differently from what has been expressed, I think they would have expressed it by now.

That's great! I'm so glad they aren't caving to the bigotry.

It’s kind of ironic that you are using bigotry to fight what you also claim is bigotry.

Unfortunately, I’m not shocked by this myopic view. The goal no longer seems to be mutual respect and shared spaces. It seems to be “give me my way and screw you.”

I say this as a fairly moderate person, who is perfectly happy to support the LGBTQA+ community AND religious communities. I’ve quickly realized, however, that there is no room for voices like mine.

The video of the protest was appalling to me. Such rude behaviors from the counter protesters: the glaring music drowning out voices, the middle finger, the rude comments. This is what Montgomery County has become?

Same here. Diversity is OK in MoCo as long as it's not viewpoint diversity. Then you must be shunned for not agreeing with them.

The fact that gay people exist in real life and therefore in some books is not a "viewpoint."

No, but not wanting your kids to be taught about it at a young age is.

Not wanting your kids to be taught about the existence of gravity at a young age is also a viewpoint.

And guess what... they don't teach kids about gravity at a young age because it's hard to understand, just like understanding why some adults think that putting on a dress and make-up changes their sex. So, I think we can all agree to wait until they are a little older to learn about both.

Lol, kids aren’t idiots. They see things, they hear things, and they understand things. Thankfully they are much more tolerant and accepting than people like you.

So you don’t agree with the concept of age appropriate topics?

But everything discussed here was age appropriate.

+100..kids have *gasp* gay parents...they understand this from day 1. Kids who have straight parents see relationship dynamics as well. You're not sitting here crying about them seeing men kiss women. Grow up. I'm so embarrassed for you.

Resorting to insults. Not unexpected.

DP, yes. People will insult you for being ignorant. Obviously it is something you're used to. Maybe read a book for a change. Get off DCUM. If you asked valid questions or brought up valid points, people would be willing to have a discourse with you. But you're fully spewing BS and don't care to learn anything new, so...

Again…
I’m the DP who posted above. Spewing hate into an anonymous forum doesn’t help your argument. You don’t appear smarter or more logical. You simply appear… hateful.

If you are trying to sway opinion, this doesn’t work. Can you cut it out?

There’s no hate. No one was trying to be smarter. It’s called common sense… Calling bigots what they are isn’t hate. Calling a nazi a nazi doesn’t make me a hateful person. It’s telling someone the truth of who they are. You seem like you can’t handle that yet. So funny how people try to spin the narrative so they aren’t the bad guy when really…. You’re the one in the wrong. Deal etc it.

So a parent wanting to opt out of their kids reading a specific book makes them a bigot? And a nazi? And we’re the ones that need to read a book and get an education?
You can’t be serious. You just can’t.

Bigots are my way or highway. But same group will try to paint anyone opposing as bigots. It's very old trick.

I don't care even a bit about this LGBT or Muslim agenda. I see all of them as person and as long as they are not forcing their agenda, I have no issue with any group. Juts teach your LGBT stuff at home and teach your religious stuff at home. Let school be for teaching core subject because MCPS can't teach core subject. Let's focus on that.

THIS

Why can no one get it through their head that the books are part of the reading curriculum - not family life or anything else. They are in addition to all of the other texts available. As far as I know READING is a core subject.

Keep your LGBT agenda out of school. Keep your religious agenda out of school.

Keep your straight agenda out of school then.

The norm isn’t an agenda…it’s just the norm.
(And yes, gay people are NORMAL, but heterosexual couples are the norm in our society. You cannot argue that. I mean you will, but you’d be wrong.)

White people could also be said to be "the norm in our society." Should books only have white characters?

This is why I think the CAIR MoCo strategic alliance with Moms for Liberty is so wrong-headed. Moms for Liberty has consistently argued against fact-based teaching of the civil rights movement, and so-called "critical race theory," which they have defined as any teaching that does not center white male slaveholders in our discussion of US history.

They oppose multicultural education, which includes baseline education of cultural and religious differences.

Agreed. I think it was a bad decision for multiple reasons.

And Mink's decision to say "Muslim families" are linked to white supremacist groups (Moms for Liberty is not categorized by anyone as a white supremacist group) was also a bad decision for multiple reasons.

I think there's a big difference between "Muslim families" (which she didn't say) and "some Muslim families," and I don't think there's much difference at all between a Christian-nationalist group and a white-supremacist group.

DP.

And all of this detracts from the main point: Mink’s inappropriate comments.

The main point is the MCPS policy, which (rightly, in my opinion) does not allow parents to opt their children out of certain books in the ELA curriculum.

Trying to distract from Mink's horrible comments which were about "some Muslim families" (but don't worry, some, she assumes, are good people).

Some of us look at the big picture (the policy), and some of us try to stir the the pot.

Some of us have Muslim loved ones who carry with them the trauma of being assumed to be terrorists after 9/11 and don't have the privilege of focusing on "the big picture".

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Anonymous wrote:The decision to remove the opt-out option was made by Dr. McKnight, not the board. A few members of the BOE have voiced their strong support, but there hasn't been a vote or official statement on the issue.

Testimony during public comments around the opt-out option has been going on for months. After every round of public comments, the BOE members remark and they either ignore the negative comments or voice support for dismantling the opt-out option in the name of diversity, equity and inclusion.

If there was a contingent within the BOE who felt differently from what has been expressed, I think they would have expressed it by now.

That's great! I'm so glad they aren't caving to the bigotry.

It’s kind of ironic that you are using bigotry to fight what you also claim is bigotry.

Unfortunately, I’m not shocked by this myopic view. The goal no longer seems to be mutual respect and shared spaces. It seems to be “give me my way and screw you.”

I say this as a fairly moderate person, who is perfectly happy to support the LGBTQA+ community AND religious communities. I’ve quickly realized, however, that there is no room for voices like mine.

The video of the protest was appalling to me. Such rude behaviors from the counter protesters: the glaring music drowning out voices, the middle finger, the rude comments. This is what Montgomery County has become?

Same here. Diversity is OK in MoCo as long as it's not viewpoint diversity. Then you must be shunned for not agreeing with them.

The fact that gay people exist in real life and therefore in some books is not a "viewpoint."

No, but not wanting your kids to be taught about it at a young age is.

Not wanting your kids to be taught about the existence of gravity at a young age is also a viewpoint.

And guess what... they don't teach kids about gravity at a young age because it's hard to understand, just like understanding why some adults think that putting on a dress and make-up changes their sex. So, I think we can all agree to wait until they are a little older to learn about both.

Lol, kids aren’t idiots. They see things, they hear things, and they understand things. Thankfully they are much more tolerant and accepting than people like you.

So you don’t agree with the concept of age appropriate topics?

But everything discussed here was age appropriate.

+100..kids have *gasp* gay parents...they understand this from day 1. Kids who have straight parents see relationship dynamics as well. You're not sitting here crying about them seeing men kiss women. Grow up. I'm so embarrassed for you.

Resorting to insults. Not unexpected.

DP, yes. People will insult you for being ignorant. Obviously it is something you're used to. Maybe read a book for a change. Get off DCUM. If you asked valid questions or brought up valid points, people would be willing to have a discourse with you. But you're fully spewing BS and don't care to learn anything new, so...

Again…
I’m the DP who posted above. Spewing hate into an anonymous forum doesn’t help your argument. You don’t appear smarter or more logical. You simply appear… hateful.

If you are trying to sway opinion, this doesn’t work. Can you cut it out?

There’s no hate. No one was trying to be smarter. It’s called common sense… Calling bigots what they are isn’t hate. Calling a nazi a nazi doesn’t make me a hateful person. It’s telling someone the truth of who they are. You seem like you can’t handle that yet. So funny how people try to spin the narrative so they aren’t the bad guy when really…. You’re the one in the wrong. Deal etc it.

So a parent wanting to opt out of their kids reading a specific book makes them a bigot? And a nazi? And we’re the ones that need to read a book and get an education?
You can’t be serious. You just can’t.

Bigots are my way or highway. But same group will try to paint anyone opposing as bigots. It's very old trick.

I don't care even a bit about this LGBT or Muslim agenda. I see all of them as person and as long as they are not forcing their agenda, I have no issue with any group. Juts teach your LGBT stuff at home and teach your religious stuff at home. Let school be for teaching core subject because MCPS can't teach core subject. Let's focus on that.

THIS

Why can no one get it through their head that the books are part of the reading curriculum - not family life or anything else. They are in addition to all of the other texts available. As far as I know READING is a core subject.

Keep your LGBT agenda out of school. Keep your religious agenda out of school.

Keep your straight agenda out of school then.

The norm isn’t an agenda…it’s just the norm.
(And yes, gay people are NORMAL, but heterosexual couples are the norm in our society. You cannot argue that. I mean you will, but you’d be wrong.)

White people could also be said to be "the norm in our society." Should books only have white characters?

This is why I think the CAIR MoCo strategic alliance with Moms for Liberty is so wrong-headed. Moms for Liberty has consistently argued against fact-based teaching of the civil rights movement, and so-called "critical race theory," which they have defined as any teaching that does not center white male slaveholders in our discussion of US history.

They oppose multicultural education, which includes baseline education of cultural and religious differences.

Agreed. I think it was a bad decision for multiple reasons.

And Mink's decision to say "Muslim families" are linked to white supremacist groups (Moms for Liberty is not categorized by anyone as a white supremacist group) was also a bad decision for multiple reasons.

I think there's a big difference between "Muslim families" (which she didn't say) and "some Muslim families," and I don't think there's much difference at all between a Christian-nationalist group and a white-supremacist group.

Moms for Liberty is horrible, but they are not a violent terrorist group. Many White supremacist groups are, because they are explicitly hateful. You could make the argument that groups like Moms for Liberty are worse because more people buy into their BS, but that doesn't mean they are the same.

I'm usually a splitter, not a lumper, but this is too much for me. You don't have to actively throw bombs to be a white supremacist or a (so-called) Christian nationalist. I'm not going to waste time or energy on the minute differences between various white-supremacist or Christian-nationalist groups. The overlap in the Venn diagram is nearly 100%.

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Anonymous wrote:The decision to remove the opt-out option was made by Dr. McKnight, not the board. A few members of the BOE have voiced their strong support, but there hasn't been a vote or official statement on the issue.

Testimony during public comments around the opt-out option has been going on for months. After every round of public comments, the BOE members remark and they either ignore the negative comments or voice support for dismantling the opt-out option in the name of diversity, equity and inclusion.

If there was a contingent within the BOE who felt differently from what has been expressed, I think they would have expressed it by now.

That's great! I'm so glad they aren't caving to the bigotry.

It’s kind of ironic that you are using bigotry to fight what you also claim is bigotry.

Unfortunately, I’m not shocked by this myopic view. The goal no longer seems to be mutual respect and shared spaces. It seems to be “give me my way and screw you.”

I say this as a fairly moderate person, who is perfectly happy to support the LGBTQA+ community AND religious communities. I’ve quickly realized, however, that there is no room for voices like mine.

The video of the protest was appalling to me. Such rude behaviors from the counter protesters: the glaring music drowning out voices, the middle finger, the rude comments. This is what Montgomery County has become?

Same here. Diversity is OK in MoCo as long as it's not viewpoint diversity. Then you must be shunned for not agreeing with them.

The fact that gay people exist in real life and therefore in some books is not a "viewpoint."

No, but not wanting your kids to be taught about it at a young age is.

Not wanting your kids to be taught about the existence of gravity at a young age is also a viewpoint.

And guess what... they don't teach kids about gravity at a young age because it's hard to understand, just like understanding why some adults think that putting on a dress and make-up changes their sex. So, I think we can all agree to wait until they are a little older to learn about both.

Lol, kids aren’t idiots. They see things, they hear things, and they understand things. Thankfully they are much more tolerant and accepting than people like you.

So you don’t agree with the concept of age appropriate topics?

But everything discussed here was age appropriate.

+100..kids have *gasp* gay parents...they understand this from day 1. Kids who have straight parents see relationship dynamics as well. You're not sitting here crying about them seeing men kiss women. Grow up. I'm so embarrassed for you.

Resorting to insults. Not unexpected.

DP, yes. People will insult you for being ignorant. Obviously it is something you're used to. Maybe read a book for a change. Get off DCUM. If you asked valid questions or brought up valid points, people would be willing to have a discourse with you. But you're fully spewing BS and don't care to learn anything new, so...

Again…
I’m the DP who posted above. Spewing hate into an anonymous forum doesn’t help your argument. You don’t appear smarter or more logical. You simply appear… hateful.

If you are trying to sway opinion, this doesn’t work. Can you cut it out?

There’s no hate. No one was trying to be smarter. It’s called common sense… Calling bigots what they are isn’t hate. Calling a nazi a nazi doesn’t make me a hateful person. It’s telling someone the truth of who they are. You seem like you can’t handle that yet. So funny how people try to spin the narrative so they aren’t the bad guy when really…. You’re the one in the wrong. Deal etc it.

So a parent wanting to opt out of their kids reading a specific book makes them a bigot? And a nazi? And we’re the ones that need to read a book and get an education?
You can’t be serious. You just can’t.

Bigots are my way or highway. But same group will try to paint anyone opposing as bigots. It's very old trick.

I don't care even a bit about this LGBT or Muslim agenda. I see all of them as person and as long as they are not forcing their agenda, I have no issue with any group. Juts teach your LGBT stuff at home and teach your religious stuff at home. Let school be for teaching core subject because MCPS can't teach core subject. Let's focus on that.

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Why can no one get it through their head that the books are part of the reading curriculum - not family life or anything else. They are in addition to all of the other texts available. As far as I know READING is a core subject.

Keep your LGBT agenda out of school. Keep your religious agenda out of school.

Keep your straight agenda out of school then.

The norm isn’t an agenda…it’s just the norm.
(And yes, gay people are NORMAL, but heterosexual couples are the norm in our society. You cannot argue that. I mean you will, but you’d be wrong.)

White people could also be said to be "the norm in our society." Should books only have white characters?

This is why I think the CAIR MoCo strategic alliance with Moms for Liberty is so wrong-headed. Moms for Liberty has consistently argued against fact-based teaching of the civil rights movement, and so-called "critical race theory," which they have defined as any teaching that does not center white male slaveholders in our discussion of US history.

They oppose multicultural education, which includes baseline education of cultural and religious differences.

Agreed. I think it was a bad decision for multiple reasons.

And Mink's decision to say "Muslim families" are linked to white supremacist groups (Moms for Liberty is not categorized by anyone as a white supremacist group) was also a bad decision for multiple reasons.

I think there's a big difference between "Muslim families" (which she didn't say) and "some Muslim families," and I don't think there's much difference at all between a Christian-nationalist group and a white-supremacist group.

DP.

And all of this detracts from the main point: Mink’s inappropriate comments.

The main point is the MCPS policy, which (rightly, in my opinion) does not allow parents to opt their children out of certain books in the ELA curriculum.

Trying to distract from Mink's horrible comments which were about "some Muslim families" (but don't worry, some, she assumes, are good people).

Some of us look at the big picture (the policy), and some of us try to stir the the pot.

Some of us have Muslim loved ones who carry with them the trauma of being assumed to be terrorists after 9/11 and don't have the privilege of focusing on "the big picture".

So to clarify: you have Muslim loved ones who do not object to the MCPS policy but do object to Mink's comments prompted by the objections to the policy?

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Anonymous wrote:The decision to remove the opt-out option was made by Dr. McKnight, not the board. A few members of the BOE have voiced their strong support, but there hasn't been a vote or official statement on the issue.

Testimony during public comments around the opt-out option has been going on for months. After every round of public comments, the BOE members remark and they either ignore the negative comments or voice support for dismantling the opt-out option in the name of diversity, equity and inclusion.

If there was a contingent within the BOE who felt differently from what has been expressed, I think they would have expressed it by now.

That's great! I'm so glad they aren't caving to the bigotry.

It’s kind of ironic that you are using bigotry to fight what you also claim is bigotry.

Unfortunately, I’m not shocked by this myopic view. The goal no longer seems to be mutual respect and shared spaces. It seems to be “give me my way and screw you.”

I say this as a fairly moderate person, who is perfectly happy to support the LGBTQA+ community AND religious communities. I’ve quickly realized, however, that there is no room for voices like mine.

The video of the protest was appalling to me. Such rude behaviors from the counter protesters: the glaring music drowning out voices, the middle finger, the rude comments. This is what Montgomery County has become?

Same here. Diversity is OK in MoCo as long as it's not viewpoint diversity. Then you must be shunned for not agreeing with them.

The fact that gay people exist in real life and therefore in some books is not a "viewpoint."

No, but not wanting your kids to be taught about it at a young age is.

Not wanting your kids to be taught about the existence of gravity at a young age is also a viewpoint.

And guess what... they don't teach kids about gravity at a young age because it's hard to understand, just like understanding why some adults think that putting on a dress and make-up changes their sex. So, I think we can all agree to wait until they are a little older to learn about both.

Lol, kids aren’t idiots. They see things, they hear things, and they understand things. Thankfully they are much more tolerant and accepting than people like you.

So you don’t agree with the concept of age appropriate topics?

But everything discussed here was age appropriate.

+100..kids have *gasp* gay parents...they understand this from day 1. Kids who have straight parents see relationship dynamics as well. You're not sitting here crying about them seeing men kiss women. Grow up. I'm so embarrassed for you.

Resorting to insults. Not unexpected.

DP, yes. People will insult you for being ignorant. Obviously it is something you're used to. Maybe read a book for a change. Get off DCUM. If you asked valid questions or brought up valid points, people would be willing to have a discourse with you. But you're fully spewing BS and don't care to learn anything new, so...

Again…
I’m the DP who posted above. Spewing hate into an anonymous forum doesn’t help your argument. You don’t appear smarter or more logical. You simply appear… hateful.

If you are trying to sway opinion, this doesn’t work. Can you cut it out?

There’s no hate. No one was trying to be smarter. It’s called common sense… Calling bigots what they are isn’t hate. Calling a nazi a nazi doesn’t make me a hateful person. It’s telling someone the truth of who they are. You seem like you can’t handle that yet. So funny how people try to spin the narrative so they aren’t the bad guy when really…. You’re the one in the wrong. Deal etc it.

So a parent wanting to opt out of their kids reading a specific book makes them a bigot? And a nazi? And we’re the ones that need to read a book and get an education?
You can’t be serious. You just can’t.

Bigots are my way or highway. But same group will try to paint anyone opposing as bigots. It's very old trick.

I don't care even a bit about this LGBT or Muslim agenda. I see all of them as person and as long as they are not forcing their agenda, I have no issue with any group. Juts teach your LGBT stuff at home and teach your religious stuff at home. Let school be for teaching core subject because MCPS can't teach core subject. Let's focus on that.

THIS

Why can no one get it through their head that the books are part of the reading curriculum - not family life or anything else. They are in addition to all of the other texts available. As far as I know READING is a core subject.

Keep your LGBT agenda out of school. Keep your religious agenda out of school.

Keep your straight agenda out of school then.

The norm isn’t an agenda…it’s just the norm.
(And yes, gay people are NORMAL, but heterosexual couples are the norm in our society. You cannot argue that. I mean you will, but you’d be wrong.)

White people could also be said to be "the norm in our society." Should books only have white characters?

This is why I think the CAIR MoCo strategic alliance with Moms for Liberty is so wrong-headed. Moms for Liberty has consistently argued against fact-based teaching of the civil rights movement, and so-called "critical race theory," which they have defined as any teaching that does not center white male slaveholders in our discussion of US history.

They oppose multicultural education, which includes baseline education of cultural and religious differences.

Agreed. I think it was a bad decision for multiple reasons.

And Mink's decision to say "Muslim families" are linked to white supremacist groups (Moms for Liberty is not categorized by anyone as a white supremacist group) was also a bad decision for multiple reasons.

I think there's a big difference between "Muslim families" (which she didn't say) and "some Muslim families," and I don't think there's much difference at all between a Christian-nationalist group and a white-supremacist group.

Moms for Liberty is horrible, but they are not a violent terrorist group. Many White supremacist groups are, because they are explicitly hateful. You could make the argument that groups like Moms for Liberty are worse because more people buy into their BS, but that doesn't mean they are the same.

I'm usually a splitter, not a lumper, but this is too much for me. You don't have to actively throw bombs to be a white supremacist or a (so-called) Christian nationalist. I'm not going to waste time or energy on the minute differences between various white-supremacist or Christian-nationalist groups. The overlap in the Venn diagram is nearly 100%.

You can designate these groups however you want, but that doesn't mean anybody else will agree with you. Go ahead, try to find any reputable website that describes Moms for Liberty as a white supremacist group.

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Anonymous wrote:The decision to remove the opt-out option was made by Dr. McKnight, not the board. A few members of the BOE have voiced their strong support, but there hasn't been a vote or official statement on the issue.

Testimony during public comments around the opt-out option has been going on for months. After every round of public comments, the BOE members remark and they either ignore the negative comments or voice support for dismantling the opt-out option in the name of diversity, equity and inclusion.

If there was a contingent within the BOE who felt differently from what has been expressed, I think they would have expressed it by now.

That's great! I'm so glad they aren't caving to the bigotry.

It’s kind of ironic that you are using bigotry to fight what you also claim is bigotry.

Unfortunately, I’m not shocked by this myopic view. The goal no longer seems to be mutual respect and shared spaces. It seems to be “give me my way and screw you.”

I say this as a fairly moderate person, who is perfectly happy to support the LGBTQA+ community AND religious communities. I’ve quickly realized, however, that there is no room for voices like mine.

The video of the protest was appalling to me. Such rude behaviors from the counter protesters: the glaring music drowning out voices, the middle finger, the rude comments. This is what Montgomery County has become?

Same here. Diversity is OK in MoCo as long as it's not viewpoint diversity. Then you must be shunned for not agreeing with them.

The fact that gay people exist in real life and therefore in some books is not a "viewpoint."

No, but not wanting your kids to be taught about it at a young age is.

Not wanting your kids to be taught about the existence of gravity at a young age is also a viewpoint.

And guess what... they don't teach kids about gravity at a young age because it's hard to understand, just like understanding why some adults think that putting on a dress and make-up changes their sex. So, I think we can all agree to wait until they are a little older to learn about both.

Lol, kids aren’t idiots. They see things, they hear things, and they understand things. Thankfully they are much more tolerant and accepting than people like you.

So you don’t agree with the concept of age appropriate topics?

But everything discussed here was age appropriate.

+100..kids have *gasp* gay parents...they understand this from day 1. Kids who have straight parents see relationship dynamics as well. You're not sitting here crying about them seeing men kiss women. Grow up. I'm so embarrassed for you.

Resorting to insults. Not unexpected.

DP, yes. People will insult you for being ignorant. Obviously it is something you're used to. Maybe read a book for a change. Get off DCUM. If you asked valid questions or brought up valid points, people would be willing to have a discourse with you. But you're fully spewing BS and don't care to learn anything new, so...

Again…
I’m the DP who posted above. Spewing hate into an anonymous forum doesn’t help your argument. You don’t appear smarter or more logical. You simply appear… hateful.

If you are trying to sway opinion, this doesn’t work. Can you cut it out?

There’s no hate. No one was trying to be smarter. It’s called common sense… Calling bigots what they are isn’t hate. Calling a nazi a nazi doesn’t make me a hateful person. It’s telling someone the truth of who they are. You seem like you can’t handle that yet. So funny how people try to spin the narrative so they aren’t the bad guy when really…. You’re the one in the wrong. Deal etc it.

So a parent wanting to opt out of their kids reading a specific book makes them a bigot? And a nazi? And we’re the ones that need to read a book and get an education?
You can’t be serious. You just can’t.

Bigots are my way or highway. But same group will try to paint anyone opposing as bigots. It's very old trick.

I don't care even a bit about this LGBT or Muslim agenda. I see all of them as person and as long as they are not forcing their agenda, I have no issue with any group. Juts teach your LGBT stuff at home and teach your religious stuff at home. Let school be for teaching core subject because MCPS can't teach core subject. Let's focus on that.

THIS

Why can no one get it through their head that the books are part of the reading curriculum - not family life or anything else. They are in addition to all of the other texts available. As far as I know READING is a core subject.

Keep your LGBT agenda out of school. Keep your religious agenda out of school.

Keep your straight agenda out of school then.

The norm isn’t an agenda…it’s just the norm.
(And yes, gay people are NORMAL, but heterosexual couples are the norm in our society. You cannot argue that. I mean you will, but you’d be wrong.)

White people could also be said to be "the norm in our society." Should books only have white characters?

This is why I think the CAIR MoCo strategic alliance with Moms for Liberty is so wrong-headed. Moms for Liberty has consistently argued against fact-based teaching of the civil rights movement, and so-called "critical race theory," which they have defined as any teaching that does not center white male slaveholders in our discussion of US history.

They oppose multicultural education, which includes baseline education of cultural and religious differences.

Agreed. I think it was a bad decision for multiple reasons.

And Mink's decision to say "Muslim families" are linked to white supremacist groups (Moms for Liberty is not categorized by anyone as a white supremacist group) was also a bad decision for multiple reasons.

I think there's a big difference between "Muslim families" (which she didn't say) and "some Muslim families," and I don't think there's much difference at all between a Christian-nationalist group and a white-supremacist group.

DP.

And all of this detracts from the main point: Mink’s inappropriate comments.

The main point is the MCPS policy, which (rightly, in my opinion) does not allow parents to opt their children out of certain books in the ELA curriculum.

Trying to distract from Mink's horrible comments which were about "some Muslim families" (but don't worry, some, she assumes, are good people).

Some of us look at the big picture (the policy), and some of us try to stir the the pot.

Mink’s comments definitely stirred the pot.

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Anonymous wrote:The decision to remove the opt-out option was made by Dr. McKnight, not the board. A few members of the BOE have voiced their strong support, but there hasn't been a vote or official statement on the issue.

Testimony during public comments around the opt-out option has been going on for months. After every round of public comments, the BOE members remark and they either ignore the negative comments or voice support for dismantling the opt-out option in the name of diversity, equity and inclusion.

If there was a contingent within the BOE who felt differently from what has been expressed, I think they would have expressed it by now.

That's great! I'm so glad they aren't caving to the bigotry.

It’s kind of ironic that you are using bigotry to fight what you also claim is bigotry.

Unfortunately, I’m not shocked by this myopic view. The goal no longer seems to be mutual respect and shared spaces. It seems to be “give me my way and screw you.”

I say this as a fairly moderate person, who is perfectly happy to support the LGBTQA+ community AND religious communities. I’ve quickly realized, however, that there is no room for voices like mine.

The video of the protest was appalling to me. Such rude behaviors from the counter protesters: the glaring music drowning out voices, the middle finger, the rude comments. This is what Montgomery County has become?

Same here. Diversity is OK in MoCo as long as it's not viewpoint diversity. Then you must be shunned for not agreeing with them.

The fact that gay people exist in real life and therefore in some books is not a "viewpoint."

No, but not wanting your kids to be taught about it at a young age is.

Not wanting your kids to be taught about the existence of gravity at a young age is also a viewpoint.

And guess what... they don't teach kids about gravity at a young age because it's hard to understand, just like understanding why some adults think that putting on a dress and make-up changes their sex. So, I think we can all agree to wait until they are a little older to learn about both.

Lol, kids aren’t idiots. They see things, they hear things, and they understand things. Thankfully they are much more tolerant and accepting than people like you.

So you don’t agree with the concept of age appropriate topics?

But everything discussed here was age appropriate.

+100..kids have *gasp* gay parents...they understand this from day 1. Kids who have straight parents see relationship dynamics as well. You're not sitting here crying about them seeing men kiss women. Grow up. I'm so embarrassed for you.

Resorting to insults. Not unexpected.

DP, yes. People will insult you for being ignorant. Obviously it is something you're used to. Maybe read a book for a change. Get off DCUM. If you asked valid questions or brought up valid points, people would be willing to have a discourse with you. But you're fully spewing BS and don't care to learn anything new, so...

Again…
I’m the DP who posted above. Spewing hate into an anonymous forum doesn’t help your argument. You don’t appear smarter or more logical. You simply appear… hateful.

If you are trying to sway opinion, this doesn’t work. Can you cut it out?

There’s no hate. No one was trying to be smarter. It’s called common sense… Calling bigots what they are isn’t hate. Calling a nazi a nazi doesn’t make me a hateful person. It’s telling someone the truth of who they are. You seem like you can’t handle that yet. So funny how people try to spin the narrative so they aren’t the bad guy when really…. You’re the one in the wrong. Deal etc it.

So a parent wanting to opt out of their kids reading a specific book makes them a bigot? And a nazi? And we’re the ones that need to read a book and get an education?
You can’t be serious. You just can’t.

Bigots are my way or highway. But same group will try to paint anyone opposing as bigots. It's very old trick.

I don't care even a bit about this LGBT or Muslim agenda. I see all of them as person and as long as they are not forcing their agenda, I have no issue with any group. Juts teach your LGBT stuff at home and teach your religious stuff at home. Let school be for teaching core subject because MCPS can't teach core subject. Let's focus on that.

THIS

Why can no one get it through their head that the books are part of the reading curriculum - not family life or anything else. They are in addition to all of the other texts available. As far as I know READING is a core subject.

Keep your LGBT agenda out of school. Keep your religious agenda out of school.

Keep your straight agenda out of school then.

The norm isn’t an agenda…it’s just the norm.
(And yes, gay people are NORMAL, but heterosexual couples are the norm in our society. You cannot argue that. I mean you will, but you’d be wrong.)

White people could also be said to be "the norm in our society." Should books only have white characters?

This is why I think the CAIR MoCo strategic alliance with Moms for Liberty is so wrong-headed. Moms for Liberty has consistently argued against fact-based teaching of the civil rights movement, and so-called "critical race theory," which they have defined as any teaching that does not center white male slaveholders in our discussion of US history.

They oppose multicultural education, which includes baseline education of cultural and religious differences.

Agreed. I think it was a bad decision for multiple reasons.

And Mink's decision to say "Muslim families" are linked to white supremacist groups (Moms for Liberty is not categorized by anyone as a white supremacist group) was also a bad decision for multiple reasons.

I think there's a big difference between "Muslim families" (which she didn't say) and "some Muslim families," and I don't think there's much difference at all between a Christian-nationalist group and a white-supremacist group.

DP.

And all of this detracts from the main point: Mink’s inappropriate comments.

The main point is the MCPS policy, which (rightly, in my opinion) does not allow parents to opt their children out of certain books in the ELA curriculum.

Trying to distract from Mink's horrible comments which were about "some Muslim families" (but don't worry, some, she assumes, are good people).

Some of us look at the big picture (the policy), and some of us try to stir the the pot.

Some of us have Muslim loved ones who carry with them the trauma of being assumed to be terrorists after 9/11 and don't have the privilege of focusing on "the big picture".

So to clarify: you have Muslim loved ones who do not object to the MCPS policy but do object to Mink's comments prompted by the objections to the policy?

Yes. They even agree some of their family members are racist and bigoted, but find being linked to white supremacist groups to be threatening to their families and also not justifiable.

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Anonymous wrote:The decision to remove the opt-out option was made by Dr. McKnight, not the board. A few members of the BOE have voiced their strong support, but there hasn't been a vote or official statement on the issue.

Testimony during public comments around the opt-out option has been going on for months. After every round of public comments, the BOE members remark and they either ignore the negative comments or voice support for dismantling the opt-out option in the name of diversity, equity and inclusion.

If there was a contingent within the BOE who felt differently from what has been expressed, I think they would have expressed it by now.

That's great! I'm so glad they aren't caving to the bigotry.

It’s kind of ironic that you are using bigotry to fight what you also claim is bigotry.

Unfortunately, I’m not shocked by this myopic view. The goal no longer seems to be mutual respect and shared spaces. It seems to be “give me my way and screw you.”

I say this as a fairly moderate person, who is perfectly happy to support the LGBTQA+ community AND religious communities. I’ve quickly realized, however, that there is no room for voices like mine.

The video of the protest was appalling to me. Such rude behaviors from the counter protesters: the glaring music drowning out voices, the middle finger, the rude comments. This is what Montgomery County has become?

Same here. Diversity is OK in MoCo as long as it's not viewpoint diversity. Then you must be shunned for not agreeing with them.

The fact that gay people exist in real life and therefore in some books is not a "viewpoint."

No, but not wanting your kids to be taught about it at a young age is.

Not wanting your kids to be taught about the existence of gravity at a young age is also a viewpoint.

And guess what... they don't teach kids about gravity at a young age because it's hard to understand, just like understanding why some adults think that putting on a dress and make-up changes their sex. So, I think we can all agree to wait until they are a little older to learn about both.

Lol, kids aren’t idiots. They see things, they hear things, and they understand things. Thankfully they are much more tolerant and accepting than people like you.

So you don’t agree with the concept of age appropriate topics?

But everything discussed here was age appropriate.

+100..kids have *gasp* gay parents...they understand this from day 1. Kids who have straight parents see relationship dynamics as well. You're not sitting here crying about them seeing men kiss women. Grow up. I'm so embarrassed for you.

Resorting to insults. Not unexpected.

DP, yes. People will insult you for being ignorant. Obviously it is something you're used to. Maybe read a book for a change. Get off DCUM. If you asked valid questions or brought up valid points, people would be willing to have a discourse with you. But you're fully spewing BS and don't care to learn anything new, so...

Again…
I’m the DP who posted above. Spewing hate into an anonymous forum doesn’t help your argument. You don’t appear smarter or more logical. You simply appear… hateful.

If you are trying to sway opinion, this doesn’t work. Can you cut it out?

There’s no hate. No one was trying to be smarter. It’s called common sense… Calling bigots what they are isn’t hate. Calling a nazi a nazi doesn’t make me a hateful person. It’s telling someone the truth of who they are. You seem like you can’t handle that yet. So funny how people try to spin the narrative so they aren’t the bad guy when really…. You’re the one in the wrong. Deal etc it.

So a parent wanting to opt out of their kids reading a specific book makes them a bigot? And a nazi? And we’re the ones that need to read a book and get an education?
You can’t be serious. You just can’t.

Bigots are my way or highway. But same group will try to paint anyone opposing as bigots. It's very old trick.

I don't care even a bit about this LGBT or Muslim agenda. I see all of them as person and as long as they are not forcing their agenda, I have no issue with any group. Juts teach your LGBT stuff at home and teach your religious stuff at home. Let school be for teaching core subject because MCPS can't teach core subject. Let's focus on that.

THIS

Why can no one get it through their head that the books are part of the reading curriculum - not family life or anything else. They are in addition to all of the other texts available. As far as I know READING is a core subject.

Keep your LGBT agenda out of school. Keep your religious agenda out of school.

Keep your straight agenda out of school then.

The norm isn’t an agenda…it’s just the norm.
(And yes, gay people are NORMAL, but heterosexual couples are the norm in our society. You cannot argue that. I mean you will, but you’d be wrong.)

White people could also be said to be "the norm in our society." Should books only have white characters?

This is why I think the CAIR MoCo strategic alliance with Moms for Liberty is so wrong-headed. Moms for Liberty has consistently argued against fact-based teaching of the civil rights movement, and so-called "critical race theory," which they have defined as any teaching that does not center white male slaveholders in our discussion of US history.

They oppose multicultural education, which includes baseline education of cultural and religious differences.

Agreed. I think it was a bad decision for multiple reasons.

And Mink's decision to say "Muslim families" are linked to white supremacist groups (Moms for Liberty is not categorized by anyone as a white supremacist group) was also a bad decision for multiple reasons.

I think there's a big difference between "Muslim families" (which she didn't say) and "some Muslim families," and I don't think there's much difference at all between a Christian-nationalist group and a white-supremacist group.

Moms for Liberty is horrible, but they are not a violent terrorist group. Many White supremacist groups are, because they are explicitly hateful. You could make the argument that groups like Moms for Liberty are worse because more people buy into their BS, but that doesn't mean they are the same.

I'm usually a splitter, not a lumper, but this is too much for me. You don't have to actively throw bombs to be a white supremacist or a (so-called) Christian nationalist. I'm not going to waste time or energy on the minute differences between various white-supremacist or Christian-nationalist groups. The overlap in the Venn diagram is nearly 100%.

You can designate these groups however you want, but that doesn't mean anybody else will agree with you. Go ahead, try to find any reputable website that describes Moms for Liberty as a white supremacist group.

There are plenty of reputable websites that describe them as a Christian-nationalist group.

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Anonymous wrote:The decision to remove the opt-out option was made by Dr. McKnight, not the board. A few members of the BOE have voiced their strong support, but there hasn't been a vote or official statement on the issue.

Testimony during public comments around the opt-out option has been going on for months. After every round of public comments, the BOE members remark and they either ignore the negative comments or voice support for dismantling the opt-out option in the name of diversity, equity and inclusion.

If there was a contingent within the BOE who felt differently from what has been expressed, I think they would have expressed it by now.

That's great! I'm so glad they aren't caving to the bigotry.

It’s kind of ironic that you are using bigotry to fight what you also claim is bigotry.

Unfortunately, I’m not shocked by this myopic view. The goal no longer seems to be mutual respect and shared spaces. It seems to be “give me my way and screw you.”

I say this as a fairly moderate person, who is perfectly happy to support the LGBTQA+ community AND religious communities. I’ve quickly realized, however, that there is no room for voices like mine.

The video of the protest was appalling to me. Such rude behaviors from the counter protesters: the glaring music drowning out voices, the middle finger, the rude comments. This is what Montgomery County has become?

Same here. Diversity is OK in MoCo as long as it's not viewpoint diversity. Then you must be shunned for not agreeing with them.

The fact that gay people exist in real life and therefore in some books is not a "viewpoint."

No, but not wanting your kids to be taught about it at a young age is.

Not wanting your kids to be taught about the existence of gravity at a young age is also a viewpoint.

And guess what... they don't teach kids about gravity at a young age because it's hard to understand, just like understanding why some adults think that putting on a dress and make-up changes their sex. So, I think we can all agree to wait until they are a little older to learn about both.

Lol, kids aren’t idiots. They see things, they hear things, and they understand things. Thankfully they are much more tolerant and accepting than people like you.

So you don’t agree with the concept of age appropriate topics?

But everything discussed here was age appropriate.

+100..kids have *gasp* gay parents...they understand this from day 1. Kids who have straight parents see relationship dynamics as well. You're not sitting here crying about them seeing men kiss women. Grow up. I'm so embarrassed for you.

Resorting to insults. Not unexpected.

DP, yes. People will insult you for being ignorant. Obviously it is something you're used to. Maybe read a book for a change. Get off DCUM. If you asked valid questions or brought up valid points, people would be willing to have a discourse with you. But you're fully spewing BS and don't care to learn anything new, so...

Again…
I’m the DP who posted above. Spewing hate into an anonymous forum doesn’t help your argument. You don’t appear smarter or more logical. You simply appear… hateful.

If you are trying to sway opinion, this doesn’t work. Can you cut it out?

There’s no hate. No one was trying to be smarter. It’s called common sense… Calling bigots what they are isn’t hate. Calling a nazi a nazi doesn’t make me a hateful person. It’s telling someone the truth of who they are. You seem like you can’t handle that yet. So funny how people try to spin the narrative so they aren’t the bad guy when really…. You’re the one in the wrong. Deal etc it.

So a parent wanting to opt out of their kids reading a specific book makes them a bigot? And a nazi? And we’re the ones that need to read a book and get an education?
You can’t be serious. You just can’t.

Bigots are my way or highway. But same group will try to paint anyone opposing as bigots. It's very old trick.

I don't care even a bit about this LGBT or Muslim agenda. I see all of them as person and as long as they are not forcing their agenda, I have no issue with any group. Juts teach your LGBT stuff at home and teach your religious stuff at home. Let school be for teaching core subject because MCPS can't teach core subject. Let's focus on that.

THIS

Why can no one get it through their head that the books are part of the reading curriculum - not family life or anything else. They are in addition to all of the other texts available. As far as I know READING is a core subject.

Keep your LGBT agenda out of school. Keep your religious agenda out of school.

Keep your straight agenda out of school then.

The norm isn’t an agenda…it’s just the norm.
(And yes, gay people are NORMAL, but heterosexual couples are the norm in our society. You cannot argue that. I mean you will, but you’d be wrong.)

White people could also be said to be "the norm in our society." Should books only have white characters?

This is why I think the CAIR MoCo strategic alliance with Moms for Liberty is so wrong-headed. Moms for Liberty has consistently argued against fact-based teaching of the civil rights movement, and so-called "critical race theory," which they have defined as any teaching that does not center white male slaveholders in our discussion of US history.

They oppose multicultural education, which includes baseline education of cultural and religious differences.

Agreed. I think it was a bad decision for multiple reasons.

And Mink's decision to say "Muslim families" are linked to white supremacist groups (Moms for Liberty is not categorized by anyone as a white supremacist group) was also a bad decision for multiple reasons.

I think there's a big difference between "Muslim families" (which she didn't say) and "some Muslim families," and I don't think there's much difference at all between a Christian-nationalist group and a white-supremacist group.

DP.

And all of this detracts from the main point: Mink’s inappropriate comments.

The main point is the MCPS policy, which (rightly, in my opinion) does not allow parents to opt their children out of certain books in the ELA curriculum.

Trying to distract from Mink's horrible comments which were about "some Muslim families" (but don't worry, some, she assumes, are good people).

Some of us look at the big picture (the policy), and some of us try to stir the the pot.

Some of us have Muslim loved ones who carry with them the trauma of being assumed to be terrorists after 9/11 and don't have the privilege of focusing on "the big picture".

So to clarify: you have Muslim loved ones who do not object to the MCPS policy but do object to Mink's comments prompted by the objections to the policy?

Yes. They even agree some of their family members are racist and bigoted, but find being linked to white supremacist groups to be threatening to their families and also not justifiable.

Huh. What if she had said "Christian nationalist" instead of "white supremacist"?

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Anonymous wrote:The decision to remove the opt-out option was made by Dr. McKnight, not the board. A few members of the BOE have voiced their strong support, but there hasn't been a vote or official statement on the issue.

Testimony during public comments around the opt-out option has been going on for months. After every round of public comments, the BOE members remark and they either ignore the negative comments or voice support for dismantling the opt-out option in the name of diversity, equity and inclusion.

If there was a contingent within the BOE who felt differently from what has been expressed, I think they would have expressed it by now.

That's great! I'm so glad they aren't caving to the bigotry.

It’s kind of ironic that you are using bigotry to fight what you also claim is bigotry.

Unfortunately, I’m not shocked by this myopic view. The goal no longer seems to be mutual respect and shared spaces. It seems to be “give me my way and screw you.”

I say this as a fairly moderate person, who is perfectly happy to support the LGBTQA+ community AND religious communities. I’ve quickly realized, however, that there is no room for voices like mine.

The video of the protest was appalling to me. Such rude behaviors from the counter protesters: the glaring music drowning out voices, the middle finger, the rude comments. This is what Montgomery County has become?

Same here. Diversity is OK in MoCo as long as it's not viewpoint diversity. Then you must be shunned for not agreeing with them.

The fact that gay people exist in real life and therefore in some books is not a "viewpoint."

No, but not wanting your kids to be taught about it at a young age is.

Not wanting your kids to be taught about the existence of gravity at a young age is also a viewpoint.

And guess what... they don't teach kids about gravity at a young age because it's hard to understand, just like understanding why some adults think that putting on a dress and make-up changes their sex. So, I think we can all agree to wait until they are a little older to learn about both.

Lol, kids aren’t idiots. They see things, they hear things, and they understand things. Thankfully they are much more tolerant and accepting than people like you.

So you don’t agree with the concept of age appropriate topics?

But everything discussed here was age appropriate.

+100..kids have *gasp* gay parents...they understand this from day 1. Kids who have straight parents see relationship dynamics as well. You're not sitting here crying about them seeing men kiss women. Grow up. I'm so embarrassed for you.

Resorting to insults. Not unexpected.

DP, yes. People will insult you for being ignorant. Obviously it is something you're used to. Maybe read a book for a change. Get off DCUM. If you asked valid questions or brought up valid points, people would be willing to have a discourse with you. But you're fully spewing BS and don't care to learn anything new, so...

Again…
I’m the DP who posted above. Spewing hate into an anonymous forum doesn’t help your argument. You don’t appear smarter or more logical. You simply appear… hateful.

If you are trying to sway opinion, this doesn’t work. Can you cut it out?

There’s no hate. No one was trying to be smarter. It’s called common sense… Calling bigots what they are isn’t hate. Calling a nazi a nazi doesn’t make me a hateful person. It’s telling someone the truth of who they are. You seem like you can’t handle that yet. So funny how people try to spin the narrative so they aren’t the bad guy when really…. You’re the one in the wrong. Deal etc it.

So a parent wanting to opt out of their kids reading a specific book makes them a bigot? And a nazi? And we’re the ones that need to read a book and get an education?
You can’t be serious. You just can’t.

Bigots are my way or highway. But same group will try to paint anyone opposing as bigots. It's very old trick.

I don't care even a bit about this LGBT or Muslim agenda. I see all of them as person and as long as they are not forcing their agenda, I have no issue with any group. Juts teach your LGBT stuff at home and teach your religious stuff at home. Let school be for teaching core subject because MCPS can't teach core subject. Let's focus on that.

THIS

Why can no one get it through their head that the books are part of the reading curriculum - not family life or anything else. They are in addition to all of the other texts available. As far as I know READING is a core subject.

Keep your LGBT agenda out of school. Keep your religious agenda out of school.

Keep your straight agenda out of school then.

The norm isn’t an agenda…it’s just the norm.
(And yes, gay people are NORMAL, but heterosexual couples are the norm in our society. You cannot argue that. I mean you will, but you’d be wrong.)

White people could also be said to be "the norm in our society." Should books only have white characters?

This is why I think the CAIR MoCo strategic alliance with Moms for Liberty is so wrong-headed. Moms for Liberty has consistently argued against fact-based teaching of the civil rights movement, and so-called "critical race theory," which they have defined as any teaching that does not center white male slaveholders in our discussion of US history.

They oppose multicultural education, which includes baseline education of cultural and religious differences.

Agreed. I think it was a bad decision for multiple reasons.

And Mink's decision to say "Muslim families" are linked to white supremacist groups (Moms for Liberty is not categorized by anyone as a white supremacist group) was also a bad decision for multiple reasons.

I think there's a big difference between "Muslim families" (which she didn't say) and "some Muslim families," and I don't think there's much difference at all between a Christian-nationalist group and a white-supremacist group.

DP.

And all of this detracts from the main point: Mink’s inappropriate comments.

The main point is the MCPS policy, which (rightly, in my opinion) does not allow parents to opt their children out of certain books in the ELA curriculum.

Trying to distract from Mink's horrible comments which were about "some Muslim families" (but don't worry, some, she assumes, are good people).

Some of us look at the big picture (the policy), and some of us try to stir the the pot.

Some of us have Muslim loved ones who carry with them the trauma of being assumed to be terrorists after 9/11 and don't have the privilege of focusing on "the big picture".

So to clarify: you have Muslim loved ones who do not object to the MCPS policy but do object to Mink's comments prompted by the objections to the policy?

Yes. They even agree some of their family members are racist and bigoted, but find being linked to white supremacist groups to be threatening to their families and also not justifiable.

Huh. What if she had said "Christian nationalist" instead of "white supremacist"?

That would be different, because those terms have different meanings (whether you want to admit it or not).

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Anonymous wrote:The decision to remove the opt-out option was made by Dr. McKnight, not the board. A few members of the BOE have voiced their strong support, but there hasn't been a vote or official statement on the issue.

Testimony during public comments around the opt-out option has been going on for months. After every round of public comments, the BOE members remark and they either ignore the negative comments or voice support for dismantling the opt-out option in the name of diversity, equity and inclusion.

If there was a contingent within the BOE who felt differently from what has been expressed, I think they would have expressed it by now.

That's great! I'm so glad they aren't caving to the bigotry.

It’s kind of ironic that you are using bigotry to fight what you also claim is bigotry.

Unfortunately, I’m not shocked by this myopic view. The goal no longer seems to be mutual respect and shared spaces. It seems to be “give me my way and screw you.”

I say this as a fairly moderate person, who is perfectly happy to support the LGBTQA+ community AND religious communities. I’ve quickly realized, however, that there is no room for voices like mine.

The video of the protest was appalling to me. Such rude behaviors from the counter protesters: the glaring music drowning out voices, the middle finger, the rude comments. This is what Montgomery County has become?

Same here. Diversity is OK in MoCo as long as it's not viewpoint diversity. Then you must be shunned for not agreeing with them.

The fact that gay people exist in real life and therefore in some books is not a "viewpoint."

No, but not wanting your kids to be taught about it at a young age is.

Not wanting your kids to be taught about the existence of gravity at a young age is also a viewpoint.

And guess what... they don't teach kids about gravity at a young age because it's hard to understand, just like understanding why some adults think that putting on a dress and make-up changes their sex. So, I think we can all agree to wait until they are a little older to learn about both.

Lol, kids aren’t idiots. They see things, they hear things, and they understand things. Thankfully they are much more tolerant and accepting than people like you.

So you don’t agree with the concept of age appropriate topics?

But everything discussed here was age appropriate.

+100..kids have *gasp* gay parents...they understand this from day 1. Kids who have straight parents see relationship dynamics as well. You're not sitting here crying about them seeing men kiss women. Grow up. I'm so embarrassed for you.

Resorting to insults. Not unexpected.

DP, yes. People will insult you for being ignorant. Obviously it is something you're used to. Maybe read a book for a change. Get off DCUM. If you asked valid questions or brought up valid points, people would be willing to have a discourse with you. But you're fully spewing BS and don't care to learn anything new, so...

Again…
I’m the DP who posted above. Spewing hate into an anonymous forum doesn’t help your argument. You don’t appear smarter or more logical. You simply appear… hateful.

If you are trying to sway opinion, this doesn’t work. Can you cut it out?

There’s no hate. No one was trying to be smarter. It’s called common sense… Calling bigots what they are isn’t hate. Calling a nazi a nazi doesn’t make me a hateful person. It’s telling someone the truth of who they are. You seem like you can’t handle that yet. So funny how people try to spin the narrative so they aren’t the bad guy when really…. You’re the one in the wrong. Deal etc it.

So a parent wanting to opt out of their kids reading a specific book makes them a bigot? And a nazi? And we’re the ones that need to read a book and get an education?
You can’t be serious. You just can’t.

Bigots are my way or highway. But same group will try to paint anyone opposing as bigots. It's very old trick.

I don't care even a bit about this LGBT or Muslim agenda. I see all of them as person and as long as they are not forcing their agenda, I have no issue with any group. Juts teach your LGBT stuff at home and teach your religious stuff at home. Let school be for teaching core subject because MCPS can't teach core subject. Let's focus on that.

THIS

Why can no one get it through their head that the books are part of the reading curriculum - not family life or anything else. They are in addition to all of the other texts available. As far as I know READING is a core subject.

Keep your LGBT agenda out of school. Keep your religious agenda out of school.

Keep your straight agenda out of school then.

The norm isn’t an agenda…it’s just the norm.
(And yes, gay people are NORMAL, but heterosexual couples are the norm in our society. You cannot argue that. I mean you will, but you’d be wrong.)

White people could also be said to be "the norm in our society." Should books only have white characters?

This is why I think the CAIR MoCo strategic alliance with Moms for Liberty is so wrong-headed. Moms for Liberty has consistently argued against fact-based teaching of the civil rights movement, and so-called "critical race theory," which they have defined as any teaching that does not center white male slaveholders in our discussion of US history.

They oppose multicultural education, which includes baseline education of cultural and religious differences.

Agreed. I think it was a bad decision for multiple reasons.

And Mink's decision to say "Muslim families" are linked to white supremacist groups (Moms for Liberty is not categorized by anyone as a white supremacist group) was also a bad decision for multiple reasons.

I think there's a big difference between "Muslim families" (which she didn't say) and "some Muslim families," and I don't think there's much difference at all between a Christian-nationalist group and a white-supremacist group.

Moms for Liberty is horrible, but they are not a violent terrorist group. Many White supremacist groups are, because they are explicitly hateful. You could make the argument that groups like Moms for Liberty are worse because more people buy into their BS, but that doesn't mean they are the same.

I'm usually a splitter, not a lumper, but this is too much for me. You don't have to actively throw bombs to be a white supremacist or a (so-called) Christian nationalist. I'm not going to waste time or energy on the minute differences between various white-supremacist or Christian-nationalist groups. The overlap in the Venn diagram is nearly 100%.

You can designate these groups however you want, but that doesn't mean anybody else will agree with you. Go ahead, try to find any reputable website that describes Moms for Liberty as a white supremacist group.

There are plenty of reputable websites that describe them as a Christian-nationalist group.

If you can't acknowledge that "white supremacist" and "christian nationalist" have different meanings and are interpreted differently by most people, then I cannot help you.

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Anonymous wrote:The decision to remove the opt-out option was made by Dr. McKnight, not the board. A few members of the BOE have voiced their strong support, but there hasn't been a vote or official statement on the issue.

Testimony during public comments around the opt-out option has been going on for months. After every round of public comments, the BOE members remark and they either ignore the negative comments or voice support for dismantling the opt-out option in the name of diversity, equity and inclusion.

If there was a contingent within the BOE who felt differently from what has been expressed, I think they would have expressed it by now.

That's great! I'm so glad they aren't caving to the bigotry.

It’s kind of ironic that you are using bigotry to fight what you also claim is bigotry.

Unfortunately, I’m not shocked by this myopic view. The goal no longer seems to be mutual respect and shared spaces. It seems to be “give me my way and screw you.”

I say this as a fairly moderate person, who is perfectly happy to support the LGBTQA+ community AND religious communities. I’ve quickly realized, however, that there is no room for voices like mine.

The video of the protest was appalling to me. Such rude behaviors from the counter protesters: the glaring music drowning out voices, the middle finger, the rude comments. This is what Montgomery County has become?

Same here. Diversity is OK in MoCo as long as it's not viewpoint diversity. Then you must be shunned for not agreeing with them.

The fact that gay people exist in real life and therefore in some books is not a "viewpoint."

No, but not wanting your kids to be taught about it at a young age is.

Not wanting your kids to be taught about the existence of gravity at a young age is also a viewpoint.

And guess what... they don't teach kids about gravity at a young age because it's hard to understand, just like understanding why some adults think that putting on a dress and make-up changes their sex. So, I think we can all agree to wait until they are a little older to learn about both.

Lol, kids aren’t idiots. They see things, they hear things, and they understand things. Thankfully they are much more tolerant and accepting than people like you.

So you don’t agree with the concept of age appropriate topics?

But everything discussed here was age appropriate.

+100..kids have *gasp* gay parents...they understand this from day 1. Kids who have straight parents see relationship dynamics as well. You're not sitting here crying about them seeing men kiss women. Grow up. I'm so embarrassed for you.

Resorting to insults. Not unexpected.

DP, yes. People will insult you for being ignorant. Obviously it is something you're used to. Maybe read a book for a change. Get off DCUM. If you asked valid questions or brought up valid points, people would be willing to have a discourse with you. But you're fully spewing BS and don't care to learn anything new, so...

Again…
I’m the DP who posted above. Spewing hate into an anonymous forum doesn’t help your argument. You don’t appear smarter or more logical. You simply appear… hateful.

If you are trying to sway opinion, this doesn’t work. Can you cut it out?

There’s no hate. No one was trying to be smarter. It’s called common sense… Calling bigots what they are isn’t hate. Calling a nazi a nazi doesn’t make me a hateful person. It’s telling someone the truth of who they are. You seem like you can’t handle that yet. So funny how people try to spin the narrative so they aren’t the bad guy when really…. You’re the one in the wrong. Deal etc it.

So a parent wanting to opt out of their kids reading a specific book makes them a bigot? And a nazi? And we’re the ones that need to read a book and get an education?
You can’t be serious. You just can’t.

Bigots are my way or highway. But same group will try to paint anyone opposing as bigots. It's very old trick.

I don't care even a bit about this LGBT or Muslim agenda. I see all of them as person and as long as they are not forcing their agenda, I have no issue with any group. Juts teach your LGBT stuff at home and teach your religious stuff at home. Let school be for teaching core subject because MCPS can't teach core subject. Let's focus on that.

THIS

Why can no one get it through their head that the books are part of the reading curriculum - not family life or anything else. They are in addition to all of the other texts available. As far as I know READING is a core subject.

Keep your LGBT agenda out of school. Keep your religious agenda out of school.

Keep your straight agenda out of school then.

The norm isn’t an agenda…it’s just the norm.
(And yes, gay people are NORMAL, but heterosexual couples are the norm in our society. You cannot argue that. I mean you will, but you’d be wrong.)

White people could also be said to be "the norm in our society." Should books only have white characters?

This is why I think the CAIR MoCo strategic alliance with Moms for Liberty is so wrong-headed. Moms for Liberty has consistently argued against fact-based teaching of the civil rights movement, and so-called "critical race theory," which they have defined as any teaching that does not center white male slaveholders in our discussion of US history.

They oppose multicultural education, which includes baseline education of cultural and religious differences.

Agreed. I think it was a bad decision for multiple reasons.

And Mink's decision to say "Muslim families" are linked to white supremacist groups (Moms for Liberty is not categorized by anyone as a white supremacist group) was also a bad decision for multiple reasons.

I think there's a big difference between "Muslim families" (which she didn't say) and "some Muslim families," and I don't think there's much difference at all between a Christian-nationalist group and a white-supremacist group.

Moms for Liberty is horrible, but they are not a violent terrorist group. Many White supremacist groups are, because they are explicitly hateful. You could make the argument that groups like Moms for Liberty are worse because more people buy into their BS, but that doesn't mean they are the same.

I'm usually a splitter, not a lumper, but this is too much for me. You don't have to actively throw bombs to be a white supremacist or a (so-called) Christian nationalist. I'm not going to waste time or energy on the minute differences between various white-supremacist or Christian-nationalist groups. The overlap in the Venn diagram is nearly 100%.

You can designate these groups however you want, but that doesn't mean anybody else will agree with you. Go ahead, try to find any reputable website that describes Moms for Liberty as a white supremacist group.

There are plenty of reputable websites that describe them as a Christian-nationalist group.

If you can't acknowledge that "white supremacist" and "christian nationalist" have different meanings and are interpreted differently by most people, then I cannot help you.

What are the different meanings? Please explain.

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Anonymous wrote:The decision to remove the opt-out option was made by Dr. McKnight, not the board. A few members of the BOE have voiced their strong support, but there hasn't been a vote or official statement on the issue.

Testimony during public comments around the opt-out option has been going on for months. After every round of public comments, the BOE members remark and they either ignore the negative comments or voice support for dismantling the opt-out option in the name of diversity, equity and inclusion.

If there was a contingent within the BOE who felt differently from what has been expressed, I think they would have expressed it by now.

That's great! I'm so glad they aren't caving to the bigotry.

It’s kind of ironic that you are using bigotry to fight what you also claim is bigotry.

Unfortunately, I’m not shocked by this myopic view. The goal no longer seems to be mutual respect and shared spaces. It seems to be “give me my way and screw you.”

I say this as a fairly moderate person, who is perfectly happy to support the LGBTQA+ community AND religious communities. I’ve quickly realized, however, that there is no room for voices like mine.

The video of the protest was appalling to me. Such rude behaviors from the counter protesters: the glaring music drowning out voices, the middle finger, the rude comments. This is what Montgomery County has become?

Same here. Diversity is OK in MoCo as long as it's not viewpoint diversity. Then you must be shunned for not agreeing with them.

The fact that gay people exist in real life and therefore in some books is not a "viewpoint."

No, but not wanting your kids to be taught about it at a young age is.

Not wanting your kids to be taught about the existence of gravity at a young age is also a viewpoint.

And guess what... they don't teach kids about gravity at a young age because it's hard to understand, just like understanding why some adults think that putting on a dress and make-up changes their sex. So, I think we can all agree to wait until they are a little older to learn about both.

Lol, kids aren’t idiots. They see things, they hear things, and they understand things. Thankfully they are much more tolerant and accepting than people like you.

So you don’t agree with the concept of age appropriate topics?

But everything discussed here was age appropriate.

+100..kids have *gasp* gay parents...they understand this from day 1. Kids who have straight parents see relationship dynamics as well. You're not sitting here crying about them seeing men kiss women. Grow up. I'm so embarrassed for you.

Resorting to insults. Not unexpected.

DP, yes. People will insult you for being ignorant. Obviously it is something you're used to. Maybe read a book for a change. Get off DCUM. If you asked valid questions or brought up valid points, people would be willing to have a discourse with you. But you're fully spewing BS and don't care to learn anything new, so...

Again…
I’m the DP who posted above. Spewing hate into an anonymous forum doesn’t help your argument. You don’t appear smarter or more logical. You simply appear… hateful.

If you are trying to sway opinion, this doesn’t work. Can you cut it out?

There’s no hate. No one was trying to be smarter. It’s called common sense… Calling bigots what they are isn’t hate. Calling a nazi a nazi doesn’t make me a hateful person. It’s telling someone the truth of who they are. You seem like you can’t handle that yet. So funny how people try to spin the narrative so they aren’t the bad guy when really…. You’re the one in the wrong. Deal etc it.

So a parent wanting to opt out of their kids reading a specific book makes them a bigot? And a nazi? And we’re the ones that need to read a book and get an education?
You can’t be serious. You just can’t.

Bigots are my way or highway. But same group will try to paint anyone opposing as bigots. It's very old trick.

I don't care even a bit about this LGBT or Muslim agenda. I see all of them as person and as long as they are not forcing their agenda, I have no issue with any group. Juts teach your LGBT stuff at home and teach your religious stuff at home. Let school be for teaching core subject because MCPS can't teach core subject. Let's focus on that.

THIS

Why can no one get it through their head that the books are part of the reading curriculum - not family life or anything else. They are in addition to all of the other texts available. As far as I know READING is a core subject.

Keep your LGBT agenda out of school. Keep your religious agenda out of school.

Keep your straight agenda out of school then.

The norm isn’t an agenda…it’s just the norm.
(And yes, gay people are NORMAL, but heterosexual couples are the norm in our society. You cannot argue that. I mean you will, but you’d be wrong.)

White people could also be said to be "the norm in our society." Should books only have white characters?

This is why I think the CAIR MoCo strategic alliance with Moms for Liberty is so wrong-headed. Moms for Liberty has consistently argued against fact-based teaching of the civil rights movement, and so-called "critical race theory," which they have defined as any teaching that does not center white male slaveholders in our discussion of US history.

They oppose multicultural education, which includes baseline education of cultural and religious differences.

Agreed. I think it was a bad decision for multiple reasons.

And Mink's decision to say "Muslim families" are linked to white supremacist groups (Moms for Liberty is not categorized by anyone as a white supremacist group) was also a bad decision for multiple reasons.

I think there's a big difference between "Muslim families" (which she didn't say) and "some Muslim families," and I don't think there's much difference at all between a Christian-nationalist group and a white-supremacist group.

Moms for Liberty is horrible, but they are not a violent terrorist group. Many White supremacist groups are, because they are explicitly hateful. You could make the argument that groups like Moms for Liberty are worse because more people buy into their BS, but that doesn't mean they are the same.

I'm usually a splitter, not a lumper, but this is too much for me. You don't have to actively throw bombs to be a white supremacist or a (so-called) Christian nationalist. I'm not going to waste time or energy on the minute differences between various white-supremacist or Christian-nationalist groups. The overlap in the Venn diagram is nearly 100%.

You can designate these groups however you want, but that doesn't mean anybody else will agree with you. Go ahead, try to find any reputable website that describes Moms for Liberty as a white supremacist group.

There are plenty of reputable websites that describe them as a Christian-nationalist group.

If you can't acknowledge that "white supremacist" and "christian nationalist" have different meanings and are interpreted differently by most people, then I cannot help you.

What are the different meanings? Please explain.

You have google, look it up