Where are they going to find the teachers?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a great supply of new teachers. You are going bonkers, Op.

LOL - clearly you are not in education

a great supply of new teachers, huh?

ok let's break this down. even if we have enough new teachers to cover all the positions, you don't think it's a problem to lose so many experienced ones?

Nope they just want babysitters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know about VA, but I'm in a state further south. I've switched to a home/hospital setting and I work with chronically ill students either at their homes/hospital/the library/or virtually. It's full time and with my local district.

I don't think I have it in me to go back to the classroom, I love the autonomy and the ability to be a bit more creative.

I've also been encouraged to apply to a virtual school in a northern state. Union protection, which we don't have down here. It would pay me 15-18k more than I am making now. I'll be speaking to someone as early as next week.

*I read a stat last week-in 2012, Pennsylvania had close to 16k newly licensed teachers. In 2021 there were only 4500. There isn't anyone to fill these openings, and specialized positions like the one I'm in only want teachers with 6-8 years of experience.

What school?

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It's a virtual school in Mass. There are teachers working there that live all over the country. In fact, most of the virtual teachers don't live in the state they work in. I know one that lives here (down south) and works for a virtual public school in Ohio.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a great supply of new teachers. You are going bonkers, Op.

LOL - clearly you are not in education

a great supply of new teachers, huh?

ok let's break this down. even if we have enough new teachers to cover all the positions, you don't think it's a problem to lose so many experienced ones?

Nope they just want babysitters.

+1. I teach in a somewhat desirable school (staff are happy with the admin, far less so with Gatehouse) and sit on a lot of interview panels. We are receiving far fewer applicants per position than we were just 3 or 4 years ago and the new teachers we are hiring are on the whole not as strong as the teachers we hired previously. The SpEd teachers we are hiring are all totally unqualified and dead weight, but they are the only applicants.

My own children are in early elementary and I am concerned about the education they will receive in a few years when many of the career teachers retire.

[Anonymous]

It's just like the police officer shortage. Are you going to work in a jurisdiction where parents sue you and put you on social media over minor perceived slights? Or are you going somewhere that let's you focus on the major aspects of your job?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's just like the police officer shortage. Are you going to work in a jurisdiction where parents sue you and put you on social media over minor perceived slights? Or are you going somewhere that let's you focus on the major aspects of your job?

Well said!

[Anonymous]

There’s plenty of newbies. New graduates apply every year. It will come around. It’s an easy occupation for young people with a low skill set to start in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There’s plenty of newbies. New graduates apply every year. It will come around. It’s an easy occupation for young people with a low skill set to start in.

My kid’s school hired two new graduates this year. Both are leaving and moving to lower COL areas as soon as school is over. The principal advertised their positions last month after they told her. So far they’ve had zero qualified applicants express interest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There’s plenty of newbies. New graduates apply every year. It will come around. It’s an easy occupation for young people with a low skill set to start in.

Trolly, trolly, trolly, troll, troll.

[Anonymous]

1) Hire two long-term subs for each vacancy. They can co-teach.

2)$5,000 sign-on bonus for two-year contract

3) Don’t be a d___ to your existing staff. Be more open to ideas.

4) Respect ALL staff.

5) Reduced housing for new hires

6) More paid time off for all

7) A lot LESS grading

8) A lot LESS standardized tests

9) Stop being afraid of parents

10) Students who destroy classrooms/injure staff in a Gen ed setting get kicked out

- teacher

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s plenty of newbies. New graduates apply every year. It will come around. It’s an easy occupation for young people with a low skill set to start in.

Trolly, trolly, trolly, troll, troll.

Exactly what I thought. “Easy occupation”? Nobody actually believes that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:1) Hire two long-term subs for each vacancy. They can co-teach.

2)$5,000 sign-on bonus for two-year contract

3) Don’t be a d___ to your existing staff. Be more open to ideas.

4) Respect ALL staff.

5) Reduced housing for new hires

6) More paid time off for all

7) A lot LESS grading

8) A lot LESS standardized tests

9) Stop being afraid of parents

10) Students who destroy classrooms/injure staff in a Gen ed setting get kicked out

- teacher

I think every first year teacher should co-teach. It would lighten the load for senior teachers and provide modeling and support for new ones. I think it would keep people in the profession longer. I also think a flex position should be created for testing (k-5) and grading (upper level) On the rare times they aren’t busy they could serve as a School based sub

[Anonymous]

1) Hire two long-term subs for each vacancy. They can co-teach.

2)$5,000 sign-on bonus for two-year contract

3) Don’t be a d___ to your existing staff. Be more open to ideas.

4) Respect ALL staff.

5) Reduced housing for new hires

6) More paid time off for all

7) A lot LESS grading

8) A lot LESS standardized tests

9) Stop being afraid of parents

10) Students who destroy classrooms/injure staff in a Gen ed setting get kicked out

- teacher

1) Why? Waste of money and manpower
2) Good idea
3) Well said!
4) FS
5) Not likely
6) Not practical, but better set up is needed for those with extended illnesses/family illnesses
7) Grading is a big part of the job--get used to it!
8) Yes--the amount of testing is ridiculous now and cuts into valuable instruction time
9) Yes--time to stand up to crazy parents and protect staff where needed
10)Yes! Don't forget what happened to the teacher near Newport News. School districts who ignore the health and safety of their staff will get sued. the culture of admin ignoring the safety of staff in their workplace needs to change NOW.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There’s plenty of newbies. New graduates apply every year. It will come around. It’s an easy occupation for young people with a low skill set to start in.

LOL, we had 2 brand new, out of school teachers at my school this year. One quit at winter break, the other at spring break.

Keep whistling past the graveyard, though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:1) Hire two long-term subs for each vacancy. They can co-teach.

2)$5,000 sign-on bonus for two-year contract

3) Don’t be a d___ to your existing staff. Be more open to ideas.

4) Respect ALL staff.

5) Reduced housing for new hires

6) More paid time off for all

7) A lot LESS grading

8) A lot LESS standardized tests

9) Stop being afraid of parents

10) Students who destroy classrooms/injure staff in a Gen ed setting get kicked out

- teacher

If you want 7 and 9 you should move to ACPS. Especially in elementary for 7. No homework, no tests = no grading! And there is zero fear of parents here! Other parents will help shut them up and administration and central office hate them and mock them too. If you don't want to do something just say it isn't equitable and you'll be fine.

You'd be out of luck on 10 though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a great supply of new teachers. You are going bonkers, Op.

LOL - clearly you are not in education

a great supply of new teachers, huh?

ok let's break this down. even if we have enough new teachers to cover all the positions, you don't think it's a problem to lose so many experienced ones?

Nope they just want babysitters.

+1. I teach in a somewhat desirable school (staff are happy with the admin, far less so with Gatehouse) and sit on a lot of interview panels. We are receiving far fewer applicants per position than we were just 3 or 4 years ago and the new teachers we are hiring are on the whole not as strong as the teachers we hired previously. The SpEd teachers we are hiring are all totally unqualified and dead weight, but they are the only applicants.

My own children are in early elementary and I am concerned about the education they will receive in a few years when many of the career teachers retire.

I’m just curious if you think the “strong” teachers you hired previously all started out that way. Everyone had to be new at one time. They learned the ropes from other experienced teachers and got better over time. If you turned your nose up at every new teacher thinking the supply of experienced teachers wanting to come here would never run out, you may have contributed to the problem we are now facing.

I have a family member who graduated into the 2012 market and struggled for years to get any traction in public schools. She didn’t know anyone being new to the area and refused to work for peanuts as a long term sub with no health insurance in the hopes she might get picked up for a contract some year. (She straight up couldn’t afford it with the loans she had to take out to get a state school degree). Now that she’s good and experienced from years in private schools, she has no desire to try with those districts that turned their noses up at her before.

It’s broader then teaching and the schools. There is an entire generation of Millennial graduates that got screwed by an employment market that thought the supply of top notch, experienced talent at cheap prices would never run out. Well, it did run out, and no one ever bothered to train the replacements. The next generation saw what was happening and said no thanks and went elsewhere. Chickens are coming home to roost.