Algebra 1 at 6 grade?

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Anonymous wrote:Here, you can see what schools have it if you scroll down to the math spreadsheet and look at what schools offer Algebra 2, but that is not fully accurate as some schools bus the kids to the local high school.

https://www.mccpta.org/curriculum.html

Per that doc https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PHEd8FGE1Y2bSdatnyu1lvj8zikffYtG/htmlview
, Alg 2 in the catalog at 17 of 40 middle schools (2 magnets):

Silver Spring
A. Mario Loiederman
Eastern
Silver Spring International
White Oak

Potomac
Cabin John
Herbert Hoover

Bethesda
Earle B. Wood
North Bethesda
Thomas W. Pyle

Kensington
Newport Mill

Rockville
Francis Scott Key
Redland
Robert Frost

Gaithersburg
Forest Oak

Germantown
Kingsview

Magnet:
Roberto W Clemente Middle
Takoma Park Middle

This must be from before C2.0 since they haven't had Algebra 2 at TPMS in like a decade.

Here is the list. Silver Spring, Germantown and Gaithersburg are not Potomac.

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Anonymous wrote:Any test/pre-screening/evaluation by MCPS? Or just by individual middle school? Thx...

Most MCPS schools don't do this, but a few in the wealthier areas will accelerate kids with 250+ map-m.

My kid got a 5th grade winter MAP of 270. Should I push for this? (I’m not inclined to)

When mine was in 5th, they also scored in the 270s. Our home school doesn't offer this as an option. Sure, they could've easily handled Algebra, but it gave them more time to absorb the material. By the end of the 6th, they were scoring in the 290s, so they seemed to be doing fine. They're headed to Blair SMCS and will probably be in the same class with kids a year ahead of them. In the end, it made no difference.

It's done to keep the kids at the home school vs. leaving for private or other situations.

Just so it’s clear the above is NOT the reason people try to prevent this. The real reasons are that AlgII and above require more abstract thing and more application of skills. Allowing kids to mature helps with this. Also, Maryland requires 4yrs of math in HS. Students taking Alg1 in 6th will most likely have to go to the HS in 8th for Alg2. A class that typically has a range of 9th-11th graders. Some of ya’ll nor your kids are prepared for what goes on in HS. Further, the student will then be taking Calculus in 10th grade. So the question becomes what are they going to take Jr/Sr year especially if they aren’t planning to major in something that requires really advance math.

And, what about the kids who are planning a major requiring math. Yes, we are preparing our kids. Worse case they take classes at MC or UMD.

Even if they are planning to major in math, those classes will still be there when those kids get to college. It's not a substantial admissions advantage to take M/V Calculus in high school, in the current climate, because it is usually correlated with being located in an affluent school district or having hyper-involved parents. Neither of those things is opening any doors for any majors at this point.

We can all agree that learning more math than MCPS wants to offer is not for everyone. MCPS serves 15K students per grade level, so catering to the extreme outlier edges is a pain in the neck, even before getting into all the political strife.

But that doesn't change the fact that there are 100 or more kids in each grade who can handle deep / advanced math, and who prove it in AoPS classes, AMC/AIME contests and more.


TPMS offers Magnet versions of AIM/Alg/Geom that enrich deeply without advancing.
They teach probably and set theory and number theory and
other "abstract things" that some papers and MCPS claim middle schoolers can't handle.

That's great. If other schools offered that, it would probably satisfy a lot of people. But they don't, so kids who are good at math are trapped being bored in class and annoying their classmates and teacher, being stuck sitting through lies like "negative numbers don't exist" in elementary school and "square root of -1 does not exist" in middle school.

Can you stop with all the tpms as everyone has said it’s not traditionally done there and it’s not the only ms where smart kids go. Obviously some kids can handle it.

Please reread what you quoted, more carefully.

What happens at TPMS is not the discussion and has no relevance. One poster is obsessed because their child couldn't do it so they don't think others should/can.

Are you the person who lied about having a kid currently taking algebra 2 at TPMS but being bused to Blair? Wondered where you’d gone accuser being proven to be a liar. Not just mistaken or out of date but deliberately lying.

No, but I don't think it's a lie. You go to the HS if the MS doesn't offer it.

FFS, it’s a lie. TPMS currently offers algebra 2. This was proved with a video from this year from the current (and long time) teacher who clearly says on video in the inter webs for all to see that she has a class of algebra two kids THIS YEAR. Those of us with current 8th grade magnet students also know from personal experience this is true. The parent who claimed their kid was being bussed to Blair currently from TPMS is a liar, liar, pants on fire. Ok?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here, you can see what schools have it if you scroll down to the math spreadsheet and look at what schools offer Algebra 2, but that is not fully accurate as some schools bus the kids to the local high school.

https://www.mccpta.org/curriculum.html

Per that doc https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PHEd8FGE1Y2bSdatnyu1lvj8zikffYtG/htmlview
, Alg 2 in the catalog at 17 of 40 middle schools (2 magnets):

Silver Spring
A. Mario Loiederman
Eastern
Silver Spring International
White Oak

Potomac
Cabin John
Herbert Hoover

Bethesda
Earle B. Wood
North Bethesda
Thomas W. Pyle

Kensington
Newport Mill

Rockville
Francis Scott Key
Redland
Robert Frost

Gaithersburg
Forest Oak

Germantown
Kingsview

Magnet:
Roberto W Clemente Middle
Takoma Park Middle

This must be from before C2.0 since they haven't had Algebra 2 at TPMS in like a decade.

Agree; it looks like this is from before they switched to Curriculum 2.0, so way out of date. It even lists our school, which I know hasn't had Algebra 2 since then. They're so desperate to make their point that they're grasping at straws.

My child took algebra 2 at one of the (non-potomac) schools on the list last year. Definitely not an old list.

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Anonymous wrote:If you take Algebra 1 in 6th grade but have to take 4 years of high school in math regardless (state law) what do you even take?

multivariate calc, diffy q's, linear algebra, complex analysis, discrete math, ap stats etc

Part of that list is approximately only at magnet.

which anyone can sign-up for who meets the pre-reqs

at least it's not limited to a few wealthy Potomac schools

after all this, we can safely conclude that in 2023 Algebra 1 is only offered at a few Potomac schools.

Algebra 1 is grudgingly offered in 6th grade at Westland middle school, in BETHESDA, not Potomac, once you get past Cerberus the gatekeeper.

Is geography hard for you?

Or are you deliberately lying? What's in it for you? Is it your special kink, that you spend your time on an anonymous message board, lying your head off about math in MCPS?

I feel sad for you.

[Anonymous]

I'm the poster that took algebra in 6th at Loiderman. I had no tutoring or home math enrichment, and I felt very prepared for the class and did well. Shockingly, I didn't come from a wealthy elementary school in Bethesda or Potomac! It was a school in Silver Spring that would probably get smeared with the 'high-FARMS' dog whistle that's so commonly used on here. You can get a great math education in this county without being cloistered into a couple of zipcodes.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm the poster that took algebra in 6th at Loiderman. I had no tutoring or home math enrichment, and I felt very prepared for the class and did well. Shockingly, I didn't come from a wealthy elementary school in Bethesda or Potomac! It was a school in Silver Spring that would probably get smeared with the 'high-FARMS' dog whistle that's so commonly used on here. You can get a great math education in this county without being cloistered into a couple of zipcodes.

Especially if you're at one of the wealthy Potomac schools that offers these clases.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here, you can see what schools have it if you scroll down to the math spreadsheet and look at what schools offer Algebra 2, but that is not fully accurate as some schools bus the kids to the local high school.

https://www.mccpta.org/curriculum.html

Per that doc https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PHEd8FGE1Y2bSdatnyu1lvj8zikffYtG/htmlview
, Alg 2 in the catalog at 17 of 40 middle schools (2 magnets):

Silver Spring
A. Mario Loiederman
Eastern
Silver Spring International
White Oak

Potomac
Cabin John
Herbert Hoover

Bethesda
Earle B. Wood
North Bethesda
Thomas W. Pyle

Kensington
Newport Mill

Rockville
Francis Scott Key
Redland
Robert Frost

Gaithersburg
Forest Oak

Germantown
Kingsview

Magnet:
Roberto W Clemente Middle
Takoma Park Middle

This must be from before C2.0 since they haven't had Algebra 2 at TPMS in like a decade.

Agree; it looks like this is from before they switched to Curriculum 2.0, so way out of date. It even lists our school, which I know hasn't had Algebra 2 since then. They're so desperate to make their point that they're grasping at straws.

My child took algebra 2 at one of the (non-potomac) schools on the list last year. Definitely not an old list.

The majority of middle schools on that old list haven't offered Algebra 2 since Curriculum 2.0 started.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Loiederman and Eastern are magnets, but not Math/Science magnets.

They are not real magnets. Just called that.

AKA "Larla got into a real magnet and is special!"

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Anonymous wrote:Any test/pre-screening/evaluation by MCPS? Or just by individual middle school? Thx...

Most MCPS schools don't do this, but a few in the wealthier areas will accelerate kids with 250+ map-m.

My kid got a 5th grade winter MAP of 270. Should I push for this? (I’m not inclined to)

When mine was in 5th, they also scored in the 270s. Our home school doesn't offer this as an option. Sure, they could've easily handled Algebra, but it gave them more time to absorb the material. By the end of the 6th, they were scoring in the 290s, so they seemed to be doing fine. They're headed to Blair SMCS and will probably be in the same class with kids a year ahead of them. In the end, it made no difference.

It's done to keep the kids at the home school vs. leaving for private or other situations.

Just so it’s clear the above is NOT the reason people try to prevent this. The real reasons are that AlgII and above require more abstract thing and more application of skills. Allowing kids to mature helps with this. Also, Maryland requires 4yrs of math in HS. Students taking Alg1 in 6th will most likely have to go to the HS in 8th for Alg2. A class that typically has a range of 9th-11th graders. Some of ya’ll nor your kids are prepared for what goes on in HS. Further, the student will then be taking Calculus in 10th grade. So the question becomes what are they going to take Jr/Sr year especially if they aren’t planning to major in something that requires really advance math.

And, what about the kids who are planning a major requiring math. Yes, we are preparing our kids. Worse case they take classes at MC or UMD.

Even if they are planning to major in math, those classes will still be there when those kids get to college. It's not a substantial admissions advantage to take M/V Calculus in high school, in the current climate, because it is usually correlated with being located in an affluent school district or having hyper-involved parents. Neither of those things is opening any doors for any majors at this point.

We can all agree that learning more math than MCPS wants to offer is not for everyone. MCPS serves 15K students per grade level, so catering to the extreme outlier edges is a pain in the neck, even before getting into all the political strife.

But that doesn't change the fact that there are 100 or more kids in each grade who can handle deep / advanced math, and who prove it in AoPS classes, AMC/AIME contests and more.


TPMS offers Magnet versions of AIM/Alg/Geom that enrich deeply without advancing.
They teach probably and set theory and number theory and
other "abstract things" that some papers and MCPS claim middle schoolers can't handle.

That's great. If other schools offered that, it would probably satisfy a lot of people. But they don't, so kids who are good at math are trapped being bored in class and annoying their classmates and teacher, being stuck sitting through lies like "negative numbers don't exist" in elementary school and "square root of -1 does not exist" in middle school.

There's a rumor that McKnight was piloting a Magnet for All to build on her success with Honors for All.

LOL!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here, you can see what schools have it if you scroll down to the math spreadsheet and look at what schools offer Algebra 2, but that is not fully accurate as some schools bus the kids to the local high school.

https://www.mccpta.org/curriculum.html

Per that doc https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PHEd8FGE1Y2bSdatnyu1lvj8zikffYtG/htmlview
, Alg 2 in the catalog at 17 of 40 middle schools (2 magnets):

Silver Spring
A. Mario Loiederman
Eastern
Silver Spring International
White Oak

Potomac
Cabin John
Herbert Hoover

Bethesda
Earle B. Wood
North Bethesda
Thomas W. Pyle

Kensington
Newport Mill

Rockville
Francis Scott Key
Redland
Robert Frost

Gaithersburg
Forest Oak

Germantown
Kingsview

Magnet:
Roberto W Clemente Middle
Takoma Park Middle

This must be from before C2.0 since they haven't had Algebra 2 at TPMS in like a decade.

Agree; it looks like this is from before they switched to Curriculum 2.0, so way out of date. It even lists our school, which I know hasn't had Algebra 2 since then. They're so desperate to make their point that they're grasping at straws.

My child took algebra 2 at one of the (non-potomac) schools on the list last year. Definitely not an old list.

The majority of middle schools on that old list haven't offered Algebra 2 since Curriculum 2.0 started.

Except you were wrong about TPMS so you’re probably wrong about the others too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here, you can see what schools have it if you scroll down to the math spreadsheet and look at what schools offer Algebra 2, but that is not fully accurate as some schools bus the kids to the local high school.

https://www.mccpta.org/curriculum.html

Per that doc https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PHEd8FGE1Y2bSdatnyu1lvj8zikffYtG/htmlview
, Alg 2 in the catalog at 17 of 40 middle schools (2 magnets):

Silver Spring
A. Mario Loiederman
Eastern
Silver Spring International
White Oak

Potomac
Cabin John
Herbert Hoover

Bethesda
Earle B. Wood
North Bethesda
Thomas W. Pyle

Kensington
Newport Mill

Rockville
Francis Scott Key
Redland
Robert Frost

Gaithersburg
Forest Oak

Germantown
Kingsview

Magnet:
Roberto W Clemente Middle
Takoma Park Middle

This must be from before C2.0 since they haven't had Algebra 2 at TPMS in like a decade.

Agree; it looks like this is from before they switched to Curriculum 2.0, so way out of date. It even lists our school, which I know hasn't had Algebra 2 since then. They're so desperate to make their point that they're grasping at straws.

My child took algebra 2 at one of the (non-potomac) schools on the list last year. Definitely not an old list.

Name the school then otherwise have dismiss this as just more false propaganda.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here, you can see what schools have it if you scroll down to the math spreadsheet and look at what schools offer Algebra 2, but that is not fully accurate as some schools bus the kids to the local high school.

https://www.mccpta.org/curriculum.html

Per that doc https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PHEd8FGE1Y2bSdatnyu1lvj8zikffYtG/htmlview
, Alg 2 in the catalog at 17 of 40 middle schools (2 magnets):

Silver Spring
A. Mario Loiederman
Eastern
Silver Spring International
White Oak

Potomac
Cabin John
Herbert Hoover

Bethesda
Earle B. Wood
North Bethesda
Thomas W. Pyle

Kensington
Newport Mill

Rockville
Francis Scott Key
Redland
Robert Frost

Gaithersburg
Forest Oak

Germantown
Kingsview

Magnet:
Roberto W Clemente Middle
Takoma Park Middle

This must be from before C2.0 since they haven't had Algebra 2 at TPMS in like a decade.

Agree; it looks like this is from before they switched to Curriculum 2.0, so way out of date. It even lists our school, which I know hasn't had Algebra 2 since then. They're so desperate to make their point that they're grasping at straws.

My child took algebra 2 at one of the (non-potomac) schools on the list last year. Definitely not an old list.

The majority of middle schools on that old list haven't offered Algebra 2 since Curriculum 2.0 started.

Yes, it's a list from when Algebra 2 was offered in MS before they had Curriculum 2.0 and it became rare.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here, you can see what schools have it if you scroll down to the math spreadsheet and look at what schools offer Algebra 2, but that is not fully accurate as some schools bus the kids to the local high school.

https://www.mccpta.org/curriculum.html

Per that doc https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PHEd8FGE1Y2bSdatnyu1lvj8zikffYtG/htmlview
, Alg 2 in the catalog at 17 of 40 middle schools (2 magnets):

Silver Spring
A. Mario Loiederman
Eastern
Silver Spring International
White Oak

Potomac
Cabin John
Herbert Hoover

Bethesda
Earle B. Wood
North Bethesda
Thomas W. Pyle

Kensington
Newport Mill

Rockville
Francis Scott Key
Redland
Robert Frost

Gaithersburg
Forest Oak

Germantown
Kingsview

Magnet:
Roberto W Clemente Middle
Takoma Park Middle

This must be from before C2.0 since they haven't had Algebra 2 at TPMS in like a decade.

Here is the list. Silver Spring, Germantown and Gaithersburg are not Potomac.

Everyone call Rockville North Potomac these days.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here, you can see what schools have it if you scroll down to the math spreadsheet and look at what schools offer Algebra 2, but that is not fully accurate as some schools bus the kids to the local high school.

https://www.mccpta.org/curriculum.html

Per that doc https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PHEd8FGE1Y2bSdatnyu1lvj8zikffYtG/htmlview
, Alg 2 in the catalog at 17 of 40 middle schools (2 magnets):

Silver Spring
A. Mario Loiederman
Eastern
Silver Spring International
White Oak

Potomac
Cabin John
Herbert Hoover

Bethesda
Earle B. Wood
North Bethesda
Thomas W. Pyle

Kensington
Newport Mill

Rockville
Francis Scott Key
Redland
Robert Frost

Gaithersburg
Forest Oak

Germantown
Kingsview

Magnet:
Roberto W Clemente Middle
Takoma Park Middle

This must be from before C2.0 since they haven't had Algebra 2 at TPMS in like a decade.

Agree; it looks like this is from before they switched to Curriculum 2.0, so way out of date. It even lists our school, which I know hasn't had Algebra 2 since then. They're so desperate to make their point that they're grasping at straws.

My child took algebra 2 at one of the (non-potomac) schools on the list last year. Definitely not an old list.

Name the school then otherwise have dismiss this as just more false propaganda.

They were named. How many times do you need to name them and why do you need the specific school? My kid takes algebra 2 through the high school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here, you can see what schools have it if you scroll down to the math spreadsheet and look at what schools offer Algebra 2, but that is not fully accurate as some schools bus the kids to the local high school.

https://www.mccpta.org/curriculum.html

Per that doc https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PHEd8FGE1Y2bSdatnyu1lvj8zikffYtG/htmlview
, Alg 2 in the catalog at 17 of 40 middle schools (2 magnets):

Silver Spring
A. Mario Loiederman
Eastern
Silver Spring International
White Oak

Potomac
Cabin John
Herbert Hoover

Bethesda
Earle B. Wood
North Bethesda
Thomas W. Pyle

Kensington
Newport Mill

Rockville
Francis Scott Key
Redland
Robert Frost

Gaithersburg
Forest Oak

Germantown
Kingsview

Magnet:
Roberto W Clemente Middle
Takoma Park Middle

This must be from before C2.0 since they haven't had Algebra 2 at TPMS in like a decade.

Agree; it looks like this is from before they switched to Curriculum 2.0, so way out of date. It even lists our school, which I know hasn't had Algebra 2 since then. They're so desperate to make their point that they're grasping at straws.

My child took algebra 2 at one of the (non-potomac) schools on the list last year. Definitely not an old list.

Name the school then otherwise have dismiss this as just more false propaganda.

They were named. How many times do you need to name them and why do you need the specific school? My kid takes algebra 2 through the high school.

They haven't been named other than Frost certainly posting an outdated 20-year-old list doesn't count