AAP Results 2023

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Anonymous wrote:140 Cogat
Spent considerable time to prepare the parent referral
Stellar student, aces every test
I think SOLs are not great.
Colvin Run

Rejected.
Really upset. The school is too EASY for her and son is bored.

Any advice on the appeal?
I heard about getting tested at Geroge Mason.
Looking for any guidance.

I'm sorry, I was in your shoes a few years ago. We appealed and were rejected again (ouch). I asked for level 3 services during 3rd grade, which in our school were once weekly pull-outs with the AART. Applied again for 4th using work samples from those AART lessons. Combined with a MUCH higher GBRS (DC did not gel with 2nd grade teacher but adored 3rd) and DC was accepted for 4th.

This could be a route you consider. From what others have posted, not much weight is given to WISC and related any longer.

When did you request the Level III services? This is part of the mystery for me. I was always worried about what the school samples would be because none of the gen-ed work allowed for any demonstration of giftedness. It was all simple worksheets. My kid mentioned the weekly pullout and I realized that it might be related to Level III. But by the time I realized this, it was way late in the process. So it left me wondering if we likely had inadequate samples. I was so focused on my level IV referral, I didn't bother with Level III. We missed 4th grade now. So I supposed I have to make sure the pullout happens for 5th. But this crazy confusing. My goal is get more challenging work and I keep hearing that Level IV offers more homework and is more advanced in math.

My child is in 5th AAP. I don’t know that he necessarily has more homework, but certainly more projects and presentations. Math is one grade higher (5th does 6th).

Kids in Advanced Math take 6th grade math in 5th grade as well.

Is Advanced Math when kids come into the AAP class for math? Or is it its own class?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:140 Cogat
Spent considerable time to prepare the parent referral
Stellar student, aces every test
I think SOLs are not great.
Colvin Run

Rejected.
Really upset. The school is too EASY for her and son is bored.

Any advice on the appeal?
I heard about getting tested at Geroge Mason.
Looking for any guidance.

I'm sorry, I was in your shoes a few years ago. We appealed and were rejected again (ouch). I asked for level 3 services during 3rd grade, which in our school were once weekly pull-outs with the AART. Applied again for 4th using work samples from those AART lessons. Combined with a MUCH higher GBRS (DC did not gel with 2nd grade teacher but adored 3rd) and DC was accepted for 4th.

This could be a route you consider. From what others have posted, not much weight is given to WISC and related any longer.

When did you request the Level III services? This is part of the mystery for me. I was always worried about what the school samples would be because none of the gen-ed work allowed for any demonstration of giftedness. It was all simple worksheets. My kid mentioned the weekly pullout and I realized that it might be related to Level III. But by the time I realized this, it was way late in the process. So it left me wondering if we likely had inadequate samples. I was so focused on my level IV referral, I didn't bother with Level III. We missed 4th grade now. So I supposed I have to make sure the pullout happens for 5th. But this crazy confusing. My goal is get more challenging work and I keep hearing that Level IV offers more homework and is more advanced in math.

My child is in 5th AAP. I don’t know that he necessarily has more homework, but certainly more projects and presentations. Math is one grade higher (5th does 6th).

Kids in Advanced Math take 6th grade math in 5th grade as well.

Is Advanced Math when kids come into the AAP class for math? Or is it its own class?

It depends on your school. Our school separates kids in 5th grade into classes based on Advanced Math or regular math. We are using the cluster model from LLIV.

[Anonymous]

Current grade: 2
NNAT/CoGAT: 133/141
GBRS (if known): unknown
School or center: Falls Church pyramid
In/not in: in

[Anonymous]

Current grade: 2
NNAT/CoGAT: 132/133 - 98% on both
GBRS (if known): unknown
School or center: Falls Church pyramid
In/not in: NOT IN

[Anonymous]

Current grade: 2
NNAT/CoGAT: 132/133 - 98% on both
GBRS (if known): unknown
School or center: Falls Church pyramid
In/not in: NOT IN

[Anonymous]

Current grade: 2nd
NNAT/CoGAT: 140
GBRS (if known): unknown, asking the AART, she might get back to me after Spring break
School or center: Canterbury Woods
In/not in: not in

She was automatically referred , I just submitted 1 page work sample and Parent Questionnaire. I did not know that the GBRS weights that much, should have been focusing more on getting great work samples. Do you all think an appeal would work?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Current grade: 2nd
NNAT/CoGAT: 140
GBRS (if known): unknown, asking the AART, she might get back to me after Spring break
School or center: Canterbury Woods
In/not in: not in

She was automatically referred , I just submitted 1 page work sample and Parent Questionnaire. I did not know that the GBRS weights that much, should have been focusing more on getting great work samples. Do you all think an appeal would work?

I'd definitely appeal (it's always worth a shot) but will be important to see the teacher comments and if a bad/unenthusiastic GBRS might be an issue here.

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Anonymous wrote:How much are iReady scores used to determine AAP acceptance?

NNAT: 135
COGAT: 120
No idea about the GRBS
Not in for Stratford Landing. Sort of surprised but daughters iReady scores aren’t very good. Tests and work samples are all great. She was in pool. Not parent referral.

Those scores are on the low side. Sorry to say.

Lots of kids used to get in without being in pool. I don’t know how it is now.

Pp here - yes definitely but this thread highlights scores that are equal or lower and they are in. See previous poster.

Those who get in with lower scores are generally applying from Title One schools. If you aren't coming from a high-poverty school, a CogAT of 120 is likely too low for admittance--even with the much higher NNAT.

A CogAT of 120 or even 115 is not "too low for admittance," providing that it's accompanied by a stellar GBRS and great work samples. The AAP equity report showed that the GBRS was by far the most significant metric for getting admitted to AAP. If your child's teacher and school strongly support AAP admissions, your child will get in even with poor test scores. If they don't support admission, your child likely won't get in even with extremely high test scores. GBRS is king.

It should be disqualifying for third grade entry. A 115 paired with a great GBRS just means room mom and brown noser. If you kid really needs it, have them apply next year with great SOLs to counterbalance the COGATs

"Should be" and "Is" are two different things. A kid with a CogAT > 140 should be in regardless of the GBRS. The reality is that they will likely get rejected with a low GBRS. Likewise, a kid with a 115 CogAT shouldn't get in without some extraordinary circumstances. But kids like that often get in when the GBRS is stellar.

My kid had a cogat somewhere in the low 130s and perfect GBRS and didn't get in. She did the next year with similar GBRS and perfect SOLs.

Every year, there are some rejections that make no sense. Yours is one of those. Generally, though, mediocre test scores + very high GBRS = IN. I know tons of people who parent referred their kids with scores < 130, and their kids got in. My school's AART encourages everyone to parent refer kids who score 120+ on the CogAT and who are considered advanced in math and language arts. If the school puts together a strong packet, the test scores don't matter that much.

The last sentence is true.

One of my kids scored 116, I think, and the other 125, IIRC. Not T1, we’re not PTA or room parents. The AART encouraged us to refer one, the teacher referred the other.

I’d never call either one gifted, just bright, but both have done fine in L4. The school must have put together strong packets.

Same. The AART last year "got" my quiet, shy, creative 2nd grader and wrote a bang-up GBRS which may have tipped the balance. (DD is doing fine in LIV center.). Different AART now, so not sure what to expect for my son.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Current grade: 2nd
NNAT/CoGAT: 140
GBRS (if known): unknown, asking the AART, she might get back to me after Spring break
School or center: Canterbury Woods
In/not in: not in

She was automatically referred , I just submitted 1 page work sample and Parent Questionnaire. I did not know that the GBRS weights that much, should have been focusing more on getting great work samples. Do you all think an appeal would work?

I'd definitely appeal (it's always worth a shot) but will be important to see the teacher comments and if a bad/unenthusiastic GBRS might be an issue here.

If the issue is GBRS, do you think an appeal would work? I'm about to schedule her for a WISC test at GMU, but not really sure since her CogAT was really good.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Current grade: 2nd
NNAT/CoGAT: 140
GBRS (if known): unknown, asking the AART, she might get back to me after Spring break
School or center: Canterbury Woods
In/not in: not in

She was automatically referred , I just submitted 1 page work sample and Parent Questionnaire. I did not know that the GBRS weights that much, should have been focusing more on getting great work samples. Do you all think an appeal would work?

I'd definitely appeal (it's always worth a shot) but will be important to see the teacher comments and if a bad/unenthusiastic GBRS might be an issue here.

If the issue is GBRS, do you think an appeal would work? I'm about to schedule her for a WISC test at GMU, but not really sure since her CogAT was really good.

Do you not have an NNAT score? 140 is very good but only one data point. Most kids have NNAT and CogAt. Great GBRS scores are helpful but they are still subjective, so I would want 2 test scores. I suppose if the WISC isn't good, you can drop the appeal.

[Anonymous]

What percentage of appeals are accepted? I remember it was 50%? If 100 kids appeal, 50 kids are accepted?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What percentage of appeals are accepted? I remember it was 50%? If 100 kids appeal, 50 kids are accepted?

Historically, it was around 50%. Keep in mind though that this occurred when the WISC was still the golden ticket into AAP. Very few people even tried to appeal without a reasonably high WISC. Nowadays, I would guess that the only kids admitted on appeal are the ones who really should have been admitted the first time. The rate is probably much lower than 50%.

[Anonymous]

Nnat/cogat : 140/131 cogat (139quat, 120s for others)
Pyramid: oakton
Grade 2
GBRS unknown but the teacher seemed happy with kid at parent conference
Not in. It sucks.
Ireadys are on grade level or advanced. Is it worth it to get a wisc?

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Anonymous wrote:What percentage of appeals are accepted? I remember it was 50%? If 100 kids appeal, 50 kids are accepted?

Historically, it was around 50%. Keep in mind though that this occurred when the WISC was still the golden ticket into AAP. Very few people even tried to appeal without a reasonably high WISC. Nowadays, I would guess that the only kids admitted on appeal are the ones who really should have been admitted the first time. The rate is probably much lower than 50%.

This isn’t really the way it’s working out. The report said to discount the WISC, but they aren’t actually discounting high WISCs. If you have a high (132+) WISC from GMU, you still have a decent shot at getting in on appeal.

But I would think that would only be true if your GBRS are borderline/good and not bad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nnat/cogat : 140/131 cogat (139quat, 120s for others)
Pyramid: oakton
Grade 2
GBRS unknown but the teacher seemed happy with kid at parent conference
Not in. It sucks.
Ireadys are on grade level or advanced. Is it worth it to get a wisc?

A teacher being happy with a student's progress/behavior has nothing to do with exhibiting gifted behaviors. Also, iReady on grade level doesn't show a need for acceleration.