U of Chicago poll: core American values plummet, tolerance, patriotism, religion, kids, hard work

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Anonymous wrote:Since when is religion a core American value?

“In God We Trust”

Sound familiar?

Dates back all the way to 1956

This quote is a bit older: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." But it's from some dusty document

And where does it say that the aforementioned Creator was the God of the Christian right? Jefferson’s “God” is the same as the God of the Quran and people lost their minds in this country over the idea of “sharia law”.

I haven’t seen much deference paid to the Creator of Native people before land was appropriated and destroyed.

So your quote isn’t quite as on point as you seem to think.

I have lost track of the goal posts. Is the standard that I prove we are a Christian nation or a nation with strong religious beliefs? The article said religion not Christianity. People came and still come to America to practice their religion. America has religious freedom not freedom from religion.

Freedom from religion IS religious freedom. I am free to be non-religious.

It is not. All A are B does not mean all B are A.

I am free to be non-religious and the constitution gives me that right because the state is not allowed to establish a religion.

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Anonymous wrote:ICYMI: Bill Maher and members of Congress on both sides of the aisle blame Tik Tok and a disinformation and manipulation campaigns by foreign nationals.

Something has prompted Americans to skew not only negative but anti-American. Patriotism has been labeled as a bad thing. This is very troubling. Everyone should be worried.

The fact that the anti-Tik Tok discussion on the Hill enjoys bipartisan support is very chilling. Coming on the heels of a China/Russia lovefest speaks volumes about the legitimate fear our leaders have.

People watched. 9 11 cause "patriotism" to be manipulated into the illegal Iraq war to pay out to defense contractors. They watched "patriotism" be manipulated by trump and screw over the country. Patriotism was used as part of the con game and people do not like to be conned.

+1000. When the country doesn't actually serve the people who live here, don't be surprised that they don't feel patriotic.

So why are all the same people that opposed the Iraq War now pushing for US involvement in the war in Ukraine (and opposing any negotiated settlement there)?

Because the Iraq war had no moral or legal basis. Ukraine is a clear case of good guy/bad guy.

In your mind was Saddam Hussein like Nelson Mandela or something?

Not arguing that the Iraq War wasn’t stupid, but the propaganda about how sacred Ukraine is is just that, propaganda.

WMDs were a made up con. Is the invasion of Ukraine and all the shelling, killing, flattened destroyed cities, a con?

The point of WMDs was that they posed a threat to us. Does Russia flattening Ukranian cities threaten me? Nope, not in the slightest. But what does threaten me is the U.S. trying to force Russia to escalate it into a nuclear conflict.

You misunderstood the WMD claim.

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Anonymous wrote:Jeannine Pirro was talking about this poll earlier today on Fox. Tells you all you need to know about it…

The Wall Street Journal just pushed it out to me too.

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Anonymous wrote:Since when is religion a core American value?

Is this a serious question? I can’t tell.

DP I’d like to know why religion would be a core American value. And which religion?

Christianity. Read the Federalist papers.

The Constitution is my core value. Nothing in there establishes a national religion. Christianity has nothing to do with me and many Americans.

But there are many people in the US that value religion. And guess what, it’s ok. We have a great church that promotes love and tolerance for all. Our congregation is diverse and happy.

And that’s fine.

Has nothing to do with American “core values.”

Religion is not a value. It’s a practice of worship. Based on principles and a belief system. You can talk about religious values. But the murky term religion itself is not a value.

Were you educated? Did you take history classes or read history books?

Religion is a huge part of American history and culture. Reigious beliefs drove so much of America since the first settlers. What are you trying to allege? If you are saying faith isn't an American value then you are only exposing your ignorance.

--Atheist who knows American history.

This isn't an argument about history. It's a semantic thing. Do you know what that means?

Value: something (such as a principle or quality) intrinsically valuable or desirable.

Religion: a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices; the service and worship of God or the supernatural

That is to say, "religion" is concrete, it has structure, it's a thing. It's not correct grammar to say religion is a value. Kindness is a value. Honesty is a value. Generosity is a value. Empathy is a value.

Now if you want to say that religion is valued by many Americans. Sure thing. Or that faith is a core American value, well that is an argument you could make that isn't semantically wrong. Of course, faith and religion are not the same thing, grammatically speaking (and otherwise).

--Editor who knows the English language

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Anonymous wrote:Since when is religion a core American value?

“In God We Trust”

Sound familiar?

Dates back all the way to 1956

This quote is a bit older: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." But it's from some dusty document

And where does it say that the aforementioned Creator was the God of the Christian right? Jefferson’s “God” is the same as the God of the Quran and people lost their minds in this country over the idea of “sharia law”.

I haven’t seen much deference paid to the Creator of Native people before land was appropriated and destroyed.

So your quote isn’t quite as on point as you seem to think.

I have lost track of the goal posts. Is the standard that I prove we are a Christian nation or a nation with strong religious beliefs? The article said religion not Christianity. People came and still come to America to practice their religion. America has religious freedom not freedom from religion.

Freedom from religion IS religious freedom. I am free to be non-religious.

It is not. All A are B does not mean all B are A.

I am free to be non-religious and the constitution gives me that right because the state is not allowed to establish a religion.

This. It's sad how many people completely ignore the establishment clause because it's the opposite of what they think the First Amendment should be.

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Anonymous wrote:America’s main core values are guns and violence.

Would you prefer that core values of the USA were Usury, Sodomy and Abortion?

What a strange group of words you've got there.

Usury is taking advantage of vulnerable people. Sadly that happens quite a lot in the US. Definitely not a positive thing, but there is a long history of predatory loans in the US.

Are you suggesting sodomy is some negative thing? What made you bring up that, are you uptight about sex? What other people do in the privacy of their own bedroom is their own business. That is called liberty and freedom, certainly core American values.

And abortion is health care. I'd like to think a core American value is healthcare for all, but that doesn't seem to be the case right now especially when it comes to women.

Is homicide healthcare?

That's a non sequitur.

I meant the bit about abortion being murder, women killing their own children. Really the most sick and evil thing a woman can do.

What do you know about reproduction? How many pregnancies have you carried to term? How many have you miscarried? Have you experienced infertility? For how long? Have you experienced an ectopic pregnancy? Have you been impregnated by a rapist? Tell us all about your expertise with human reproduction and abortion

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Anonymous wrote:Since when is religion a core American value?

“In God We Trust”

Sound familiar?

Dates back all the way to 1956

This quote is a bit older: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." But it's from some dusty document

And where does it say that the aforementioned Creator was the God of the Christian right? Jefferson’s “God” is the same as the God of the Quran and people lost their minds in this country over the idea of “sharia law”.

I haven’t seen much deference paid to the Creator of Native people before land was appropriated and destroyed.

So your quote isn’t quite as on point as you seem to think.

I have lost track of the goal posts. Is the standard that I prove we are a Christian nation or a nation with strong religious beliefs? The article said religion not Christianity. People came and still come to America to practice their religion. America has religious freedom not freedom from religion.

Freedom from religion IS religious freedom. I am free to be non-religious.

It is not. All A are B does not mean all B are A.

I am free to be non-religious and the constitution gives me that right because the state is not allowed to establish a religion.

This. It's sad how many people completely ignore the establishment clause because it's the opposite of what they think the First Amendment should be.

I suppose I will be extraordinarily precise. Freedom from religion is NOT sufficient for religious freedom. It is only a part. The rest of religious freedom is freedom to practice your chosen religion. We have countries with freedom from religion, but I wouldn't say they had religious freedom.

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The posts here are wild. It’s like people think crime rate hasn’t been higher before, and disbelief in mythical religion is its own religion. This reminds of the terrorists that call themselves “patriots.”

If anyone is wondering why these words are charged, there’s no need to look further than this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:Since when is religion a core American value?

“In God We Trust”

Sound familiar?

Dates back all the way to 1956

This quote is a bit older: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." But it's from some dusty document

And where does it say that the aforementioned Creator was the God of the Christian right? Jefferson’s “God” is the same as the God of the Quran and people lost their minds in this country over the idea of “sharia law”.

I haven’t seen much deference paid to the Creator of Native people before land was appropriated and destroyed.

So your quote isn’t quite as on point as you seem to think.

I have lost track of the goal posts. Is the standard that I prove we are a Christian nation or a nation with strong religious beliefs? The article said religion not Christianity. People came and still come to America to practice their religion. America has religious freedom not freedom from religion.

Freedom from religion IS religious freedom. I am free to be non-religious.

It is not. All A are B does not mean all B are A.

I am free to be non-religious and the constitution gives me that right because the state is not allowed to establish a religion.

This. It's sad how many people completely ignore the establishment clause because it's the opposite of what they think the First Amendment should be.

I suppose I will be extraordinarily precise. Freedom from religion is NOT sufficient for religious freedom. It is only a part. The rest of religious freedom is freedom to practice your chosen religion. We have countries with freedom from religion, but I wouldn't say they had religious freedom.

That's great, but does it make religion a core American value? The First Amendment also gives us the freedom to peacefully assemble...but just because we're free to do so, does that make it a core American value too?

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The topic of this thread is closely related to yesterday’s shooting in Tennessee.

They are related.

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Anonymous wrote:Since when is religion a core American value?

“In God We Trust”

Sound familiar?

Dates back all the way to 1956

This quote is a bit older: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." But it's from some dusty document

And where does it say that the aforementioned Creator was the God of the Christian right? Jefferson’s “God” is the same as the God of the Quran and people lost their minds in this country over the idea of “sharia law”.

I haven’t seen much deference paid to the Creator of Native people before land was appropriated and destroyed.

So your quote isn’t quite as on point as you seem to think.

I have lost track of the goal posts. Is the standard that I prove we are a Christian nation or a nation with strong religious beliefs? The article said religion not Christianity. People came and still come to America to practice their religion. America has religious freedom not freedom from religion.

Freedom from religion IS religious freedom. I am free to be non-religious.

It is not. All A are B does not mean all B are A.

I am free to be non-religious and the constitution gives me that right because the state is not allowed to establish a religion.

This. It's sad how many people completely ignore the establishment clause because it's the opposite of what they think the First Amendment should be.

I suppose I will be extraordinarily precise. Freedom from religion is NOT sufficient for religious freedom. It is only a part. The rest of religious freedom is freedom to practice your chosen religion. We have countries with freedom from religion, but I wouldn't say they had religious freedom.

That's great, but does it make religion a core American value? The First Amendment also gives us the freedom to peacefully assemble...but just because we're free to do so, does that make it a core American value too?

The Bill of Rights are core American values. Those are the rights granted to American citizens. The Constitution said little about individual rights until the Amendments. Without it we would be just another banana republic where citizen rights depend on the mood of the current government and whatever state of emergency is currently in place. I gather you are suffering from a modern public education where all good flows from federal largesse.

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Anonymous wrote:Since when is religion a core American value?

“In God We Trust”

Sound familiar?

Dates back all the way to 1956

This quote is a bit older: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." But it's from some dusty document

And where does it say that the aforementioned Creator was the God of the Christian right? Jefferson’s “God” is the same as the God of the Quran and people lost their minds in this country over the idea of “sharia law”.

I haven’t seen much deference paid to the Creator of Native people before land was appropriated and destroyed.

So your quote isn’t quite as on point as you seem to think.

I have lost track of the goal posts. Is the standard that I prove we are a Christian nation or a nation with strong religious beliefs? The article said religion not Christianity. People came and still come to America to practice their religion. America has religious freedom not freedom from religion.

Freedom from religion IS religious freedom. I am free to be non-religious.

It is not. All A are B does not mean all B are A.

I am free to be non-religious and the constitution gives me that right because the state is not allowed to establish a religion.

This. It's sad how many people completely ignore the establishment clause because it's the opposite of what they think the First Amendment should be.

I suppose I will be extraordinarily precise. Freedom from religion is NOT sufficient for religious freedom. It is only a part. The rest of religious freedom is freedom to practice your chosen religion. We have countries with freedom from religion, but I wouldn't say they had religious freedom.

That's great, but does it make religion a core American value? The First Amendment also gives us the freedom to peacefully assemble...but just because we're free to do so, does that make it a core American value too?

The Bill of Rights are core American values. Those are the rights granted to American citizens. The Constitution said little about individual rights until the Amendments. Without it we would be just another banana republic where citizen rights depend on the mood of the current government and whatever state of emergency is currently in place. I gather you are suffering from a modern public education where all good flows from federal largesse.

I gather you are one of those parents who thinks they should be able to tell teachers how to do their jobs. Maybe while you're at it you should tell your surgeon how to operate or your pilot how to fly the plane.

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Anonymous wrote:Since when is religion a core American value?

“In God We Trust”

Sound familiar?

Dates back all the way to 1956

This quote is a bit older: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." But it's from some dusty document

And where does it say that the aforementioned Creator was the God of the Christian right? Jefferson’s “God” is the same as the God of the Quran and people lost their minds in this country over the idea of “sharia law”.

I haven’t seen much deference paid to the Creator of Native people before land was appropriated and destroyed.

So your quote isn’t quite as on point as you seem to think.

I have lost track of the goal posts. Is the standard that I prove we are a Christian nation or a nation with strong religious beliefs? The article said religion not Christianity. People came and still come to America to practice their religion. America has religious freedom not freedom from religion.

Freedom from religion IS religious freedom. I am free to be non-religious.

It is not. All A are B does not mean all B are A.

I am free to be non-religious and the constitution gives me that right because the state is not allowed to establish a religion.

This. It's sad how many people completely ignore the establishment clause because it's the opposite of what they think the First Amendment should be.

I suppose I will be extraordinarily precise. Freedom from religion is NOT sufficient for religious freedom. It is only a part. The rest of religious freedom is freedom to practice your chosen religion. We have countries with freedom from religion, but I wouldn't say they had religious freedom.

Have you even for one second stopped to reflect on the validity of your claim? Animal sacrifice is not legal yet it is part of some religions. Drug use is not legal even though it is a part of some religions. Polygamy is not legal even though it is a part of some religions. We do not have nor have ever had religious freedom in the USA. We have a right to be free of government sponsored religion. That’s the extent of it. Anything else can be outlawed.

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Anonymous wrote:Since when is religion a core American value?

“In God We Trust”

Sound familiar?

Dates back all the way to 1956

This quote is a bit older: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." But it's from some dusty document

And where does it say that the aforementioned Creator was the God of the Christian right? Jefferson’s “God” is the same as the God of the Quran and people lost their minds in this country over the idea of “sharia law”.

I haven’t seen much deference paid to the Creator of Native people before land was appropriated and destroyed.

So your quote isn’t quite as on point as you seem to think.

I have lost track of the goal posts. Is the standard that I prove we are a Christian nation or a nation with strong religious beliefs? The article said religion not Christianity. People came and still come to America to practice their religion. America has religious freedom not freedom from religion.

Freedom from religion IS religious freedom. I am free to be non-religious.

It is not. All A are B does not mean all B are A.

I am free to be non-religious and the constitution gives me that right because the state is not allowed to establish a religion.

This. It's sad how many people completely ignore the establishment clause because it's the opposite of what they think the First Amendment should be.

I suppose I will be extraordinarily precise. Freedom from religion is NOT sufficient for religious freedom. It is only a part. The rest of religious freedom is freedom to practice your chosen religion. We have countries with freedom from religion, but I wouldn't say they had religious freedom.

That's great, but does it make religion a core American value? The First Amendment also gives us the freedom to peacefully assemble...but just because we're free to do so, does that make it a core American value too?

The Bill of Rights are core American values. Those are the rights granted to American citizens. The Constitution said little about individual rights until the Amendments. Without it we would be just another banana republic where citizen rights depend on the mood of the current government and whatever state of emergency is currently in place. I gather you are suffering from a modern public education where all good flows from federal largesse.

Citizen rights DO depend on the mood of the government. When has that not been true in the USA? Slavery? Government. Drug use? Government. Abortion? Government. Gay marriage? Government. Women voting? Government. On and on and on.

I am so suck of the fairytale understanding of history by Republicans. They read the constitution like they do the bible. Anything can be justifies if you twist the logic enough.

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Anonymous wrote:Since when is religion a core American value?

Someone forgot their colonial history. Several states were founded as religious colonies.

https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel01.html#:~:text=The%20New%20England%20colonies%2C%20New,way%20they%20believed%20to%20be

Here's the library of congress's position:

The New England colonies, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Maryland were conceived and established "as plantations of religion." Some settlers who arrived in these areas came for secular motives--"to catch fish" as one New Englander put it--but the great majority left Europe to worship God in the way they believed to be correct. They enthusiastically supported the efforts of their leaders to create "a city on a hill" or a "holy experiment," whose success would prove that God's plan for his churches could be successfully realized in the American wilderness. Even colonies like Virginia, which were planned as commercial ventures, were led by entrepreneurs who considered themselves "militant Protestants" and who worked diligently to promote the prosperity of the church.

People forget that the 1st amendment wasn't binding on the states at the time of the founding. Many states had different established state churches that eventually were disestablished by the 1840s.