U of Chicago poll: core American values plummet, tolerance, patriotism, religion, kids, hard work

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Anonymous wrote:ICYMI: Bill Maher and members of Congress on both sides of the aisle blame Tik Tok and a disinformation and manipulation campaigns by foreign nationals.

Something has prompted Americans to skew not only negative but anti-American. Patriotism has been labeled as a bad thing. This is very troubling. Everyone should be worried.

The fact that the anti-Tik Tok discussion on the Hill enjoys bipartisan support is very chilling. Coming on the heels of a China/Russia lovefest speaks volumes about the legitimate fear our leaders have.

People watched. 9 11 cause "patriotism" to be manipulated into the illegal Iraq war to pay out to defense contractors. They watched "patriotism" be manipulated by trump and screw over the country. Patriotism was used as part of the con game and people do not like to be conned.

+1000. When the country doesn't actually serve the people who live here, don't be surprised that they don't feel patriotic.

So why are all the same people that opposed the Iraq War now pushing for US involvement in the war in Ukraine (and opposing any negotiated settlement there)?

Because the Iraq war had no moral or legal basis. Ukraine is a clear case of good guy/bad guy.

In your mind was Saddam Hussein like Nelson Mandela or something?

Not arguing that the Iraq War wasn’t stupid, but the propaganda about how sacred Ukraine is is just that, propaganda.

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Anonymous wrote:Too much individualism, not enough community.

Which is the party that celebrates the rugged individual and his/her right to brandish guns and refuse vaccines despite the proven associated harm to the community?

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Anonymous wrote:Since when is religion a core American value?

Is this a serious question? I can’t tell.

DP I’d like to know why religion would be a core American value. And which religion?

Christianity. Read the Federalist papers.

The Constitution is my core value. Nothing in there establishes a national religion. Christianity has nothing to do with me and many Americans.

I agree that the founding was not particularly religious. But over the last 150 years the US has become far more religious than Europe and it has become a defining value of our country.

And now it’s significance is waning. So it’s returning to its roots. Things change. This is not a negative thing.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d also add that “religion” is just as important as ever, but now for many social political issues have taken the place of traditional religion. Humans evolved to be religious and it will never go away. The church of MSNBC-type issues fills the void for many. They hold their convictions and dogma as seriously as any orthodox christian or jew.

Crap like the above is why people are sick of religion. Smug ignorance.

“You ignorant heretic fail to see the divine truth of my political social views.”

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Anonymous wrote:Since when is religion a core American value?

Is this a serious question? I can’t tell.

DP I’d like to know why religion would be a core American value. And which religion?

Christianity. Read the Federalist papers.

The Constitution is my core value. Nothing in there establishes a national religion. Christianity has nothing to do with me and many Americans.

I agree that the founding was not particularly religious. But over the last 150 years the US has become far more religious than Europe and it has become a defining value of our country.

And now it’s significance is waning. So it’s returning to its roots. Things change. This is not a negative thing.

No it’s not. It’s just that a new “secular” religion has taken over. Complete with dogma, rituals, and cult-like thinking.

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Anonymous wrote:ICYMI: Bill Maher and members of Congress on both sides of the aisle blame Tik Tok and a disinformation and manipulation campaigns by foreign nationals.

Something has prompted Americans to skew not only negative but anti-American. Patriotism has been labeled as a bad thing. This is very troubling. Everyone should be worried.

The fact that the anti-Tik Tok discussion on the Hill enjoys bipartisan support is very chilling. Coming on the heels of a China/Russia lovefest speaks volumes about the legitimate fear our leaders have.

Patriotism has gotten a bad name because it’s been co-opted by Right Wing nuts who call themselves patriots yet support the overturning of a free election and supporting a man who wants to rip up the constitution.

I have a lot of pride in America but I’d never call myself a patriot because I now associate that with MAGA zealots.

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Anonymous wrote:Look up Philip Rieef. We're now a third world culture (note: "third world" does not mean "developing nation").

https://ps.edu/how-philip-rieffs-three-worlds-help-us-understand-cultural-change/

Bible thumper

Well, that was constructive.

Nobody has time to argue with a fervent believer. Endless straw man arguments and logical inconsistencies. He mischaracterizes what secularism is and then argues against this misunderstanding.

Nor do I have the time to argue with a fervent unbeliever, nor with their own logical inconsistencies.

Ok. We can agree that religion is not as prominent as it was in the mid-20th century. And move on. You’re still free to practice your religion and base your personal values on your religious beliefs. All good.

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Anonymous wrote:Since when is religion a core American value?

Is this a serious question? I can’t tell.

DP I’d like to know why religion would be a core American value. And which religion?

Christianity. Read the Federalist papers.

The Constitution is my core value. Nothing in there establishes a national religion. Christianity has nothing to do with me and many Americans.

I agree that the founding was not particularly religious. But over the last 150 years the US has become far more religious than Europe and it has become a defining value of our country.

And now it’s significance is waning. So it’s returning to its roots. Things change. This is not a negative thing.

No it’s not. It’s just that a new “secular” religion has taken over. Complete with dogma, rituals, and cult-like thinking.

Lol. Does this new secular religion pay taxes or does it operate tax-free like churches? Where is it based, where and when do rituals take place, who are its priests and pastors? Does it get any federal holidays off?

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What about American values of generosity and kindness?

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Of course. We've fostered a culture of entitlement mentality where people think they deserve everything from the govt simply because they exist and breathe air. We have also pretty much legalized many forms of crime even though people won't admit it. American has turned into a society of lazy deadbeats who either break the law because they feel entitled, or they expect the govt to grab everything for them and redistribute. Lotta rot at the core in society. We need a Great Depression 2.0 to wipe out the sense of entitlement and to strengthen peoples' resolve. For far too long life has been too easy for people. People need to learn again what it is like to survive and have to tough it out when the world around them crumbles. It will build character instead of people expecting a lavish and excessive lifestyle.

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Anonymous wrote:ICYMI: Bill Maher and members of Congress on both sides of the aisle blame Tik Tok and a disinformation and manipulation campaigns by foreign nationals.

Something has prompted Americans to skew not only negative but anti-American. Patriotism has been labeled as a bad thing. This is very troubling. Everyone should be worried.

The fact that the anti-Tik Tok discussion on the Hill enjoys bipartisan support is very chilling. Coming on the heels of a China/Russia lovefest speaks volumes about the legitimate fear our leaders have.

People watched. 9 11 cause "patriotism" to be manipulated into the illegal Iraq war to pay out to defense contractors. They watched "patriotism" be manipulated by trump and screw over the country. Patriotism was used as part of the con game and people do not like to be conned.

+1000. When the country doesn't actually serve the people who live here, don't be surprised that they don't feel patriotic.

So why are all the same people that opposed the Iraq War now pushing for US involvement in the war in Ukraine (and opposing any negotiated settlement there)?

Because the Iraq war had no moral or legal basis. Ukraine is a clear case of good guy/bad guy.

In your mind was Saddam Hussein like Nelson Mandela or something?

Not arguing that the Iraq War wasn’t stupid, but the propaganda about how sacred Ukraine is is just that, propaganda.

WMDs were a made up con. Is the invasion of Ukraine and all the shelling, killing, flattened destroyed cities, a con?

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Anonymous wrote:Of course. We've fostered a culture of entitlement mentality where people think they deserve everything from the govt simply because they exist and breathe air. We have also pretty much legalized many forms of crime even though people won't admit it. American has turned into a society of lazy deadbeats who either break the law because they feel entitled, or they expect the govt to grab everything for them and redistribute. Lotta rot at the core in society. We need a Great Depression 2.0 to wipe out the sense of entitlement and to strengthen peoples' resolve. For far too long life has been too easy for people. People need to learn again what it is like to survive and have to tough it out when the world around them crumbles. It will build character instead of people expecting a lavish and excessive lifestyle.

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Anonymous wrote:Since when is religion a core American value?

Is this a serious question? I can’t tell.

DP I’d like to know why religion would be a core American value. And which religion?

Christianity. Read the Federalist papers.

The Constitution is my core value. Nothing in there establishes a national religion. Christianity has nothing to do with me and many Americans.

I agree that the founding was not particularly religious. But over the last 150 years the US has become far more religious than Europe and it has become a defining value of our country.

And now it’s significance is waning. So it’s returning to its roots. Things change. This is not a negative thing.

No it’s not. It’s just that a new “secular” religion has taken over. Complete with dogma, rituals, and cult-like thinking.

Lol. Does this new secular religion pay taxes or does it operate tax-free like churches? Where is it based, where and when do rituals take place, who are its priests and pastors? Does it get any federal holidays off?

I invite you to sit in at any state university lecture given by a conservative author or pundit. Watch and see what happens.

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Anonymous wrote:Since when is religion a core American value?

Is this a serious question? I can’t tell.

DP I’d like to know why religion would be a core American value. And which religion?

Christianity. Read the Federalist papers.

The Constitution is my core value. Nothing in there establishes a national religion. Christianity has nothing to do with me and many Americans.

I agree that the founding was not particularly religious. But over the last 150 years the US has become far more religious than Europe and it has become a defining value of our country.

And now it’s significance is waning. So it’s returning to its roots. Things change. This is not a negative thing.

No it’s not. It’s just that a new “secular” religion has taken over. Complete with dogma, rituals, and cult-like thinking.

Lol. Does this new secular religion pay taxes or does it operate tax-free like churches? Where is it based, where and when do rituals take place, who are its priests and pastors? Does it get any federal holidays off?

I invite you to sit in at any state university lecture given by a conservative author or pundit. Watch and see what happens.

Like Scott Yenor?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0gZI-hoGiBo

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Anonymous wrote:Since when is religion a core American value?

Is this a serious question? I can’t tell.

DP I’d like to know why religion would be a core American value. And which religion?

Christianity. Read the Federalist papers.

The Constitution is my core value. Nothing in there establishes a national religion. Christianity has nothing to do with me and many Americans.

I agree that the founding was not particularly religious. But over the last 150 years the US has become far more religious than Europe and it has become a defining value of our country.

And now it’s significance is waning. So it’s returning to its roots. Things change. This is not a negative thing.

No it’s not. It’s just that a new “secular” religion has taken over. Complete with dogma, rituals, and cult-like thinking.

Lol. Does this new secular religion pay taxes or does it operate tax-free like churches? Where is it based, where and when do rituals take place, who are its priests and pastors? Does it get any federal holidays off?

I invite you to sit in at any state university lecture given by a conservative author or pundit. Watch and see what happens.

Maybe nobody agrees with their ideas?