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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Since when is religion a core American value?[/quote]

“In God We Trust”

Sound familiar?[/quote]

Dates back all the way to 1956 [/quote]

This quote is a bit older: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." But it's from some dusty document[/quote]

And where does it say that the aforementioned Creator was the God of the Christian right? Jefferson’s “God” is the same as the God of the Quran and people lost their minds in this country over the idea of “sharia law”.

I haven’t seen much deference paid to the Creator of Native people before land was appropriated and destroyed.

So your quote isn’t quite as on point as you seem to think.

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I have lost track of the goal posts. Is the standard that I prove we are a Christian nation or a nation with strong religious beliefs? The article said religion not Christianity. People came and still come to America to practice their religion. America has religious freedom not freedom from religion.[/quote]

Freedom from religion IS religious freedom.  I am free to be non-religious. [/quote]

It is not. All A are B does not mean all B are A. [/quote]

I am free to be non-religious and the constitution gives me that right because the state is not allowed to establish a religion.[/quote]
This. It's sad how many people completely ignore the establishment clause because it's the opposite of what they think the First Amendment should be.[/quote]

I suppose I will be extraordinarily precise. Freedom from religion is NOT sufficient for religious freedom. It is only a part. The rest of religious freedom is freedom to practice your chosen religion. We have countries with freedom from religion, but I wouldn't say they had religious freedom.[/quote]
That's great, but does it make religion a core American value? The First Amendment also gives us the freedom to peacefully assemble...but just because we're free to do so, does that make it a core American value too?[/quote]

The Bill of Rights are core American values. Those are the rights granted to American citizens. The Constitution said little about individual rights until the Amendments. Without it we would be just another banana republic where citizen rights depend on the mood of the current government and whatever state of emergency is currently in place. I gather you are suffering from a modern public education where all good flows from federal largesse.[/quote]
I gather you are one of those parents who thinks they should be able to tell teachers how to do their jobs. Maybe while you're at it you should tell your surgeon how to operate or your pilot how to fly the plane.[/quote]

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