U of Chicago poll: core American values plummet, tolerance, patriotism, religion, kids, hard work

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Since when is religion a core American value?

Someone forgot their colonial history. Several states were founded as religious colonies.

https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel01.html#:~:text=The%20New%20England%20colonies%2C%20New,way%20they%20believed%20to%20be

Here's the library of congress's position:

The New England colonies, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Maryland were conceived and established "as plantations of religion." Some settlers who arrived in these areas came for secular motives--"to catch fish" as one New Englander put it--but the great majority left Europe to worship God in the way they believed to be correct. They enthusiastically supported the efforts of their leaders to create "a city on a hill" or a "holy experiment," whose success would prove that God's plan for his churches could be successfully realized in the American wilderness. Even colonies like Virginia, which were planned as commercial ventures, were led by entrepreneurs who considered themselves "militant Protestants" and who worked diligently to promote the prosperity of the church.

People forget that the 1st amendment wasn't binding on the states at the time of the founding. Many states had different established state churches that eventually were disestablished by the 1840s.

Is slavery a core American value then, too? Sounds like you are making an argument that would support such a claim.

At the time until the 1860's, sure I would agree. Slavery was considered a natural state for some peoples which had existed for 1000's of years until industrialization rendered it useless.

Religion was fundamental to the English colonies, and one would be blind to notice how the Christian religion in particular has effected US culture to this day.

Except that recent surveys have shown how fewer and fewer Americans are tied to religion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since when is religion a core American value?

Someone forgot their colonial history. Several states were founded as religious colonies.

https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel01.html#:~:text=The%20New%20England%20colonies%2C%20New,way%20they%20believed%20to%20be

Here's the library of congress's position:

The New England colonies, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Maryland were conceived and established "as plantations of religion." Some settlers who arrived in these areas came for secular motives--"to catch fish" as one New Englander put it--but the great majority left Europe to worship God in the way they believed to be correct. They enthusiastically supported the efforts of their leaders to create "a city on a hill" or a "holy experiment," whose success would prove that God's plan for his churches could be successfully realized in the American wilderness. Even colonies like Virginia, which were planned as commercial ventures, were led by entrepreneurs who considered themselves "militant Protestants" and who worked diligently to promote the prosperity of the church.

People forget that the 1st amendment wasn't binding on the states at the time of the founding. Many states had different established state churches that eventually were disestablished by the 1840s.

Is slavery a core American value then, too? Sounds like you are making an argument that would support such a claim.

At the time until the 1860's, sure I would agree. Slavery was considered a natural state for some peoples which had existed for 1000's of years until industrialization rendered it useless.

Religion was fundamental to the English colonies, and one would be blind to notice how the Christian religion in particular has effected US culture to this day.

Except that recent surveys have shown how fewer and fewer Americans are tied to religion.

Except that the overwhelming majority still is tied to religion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since when is religion a core American value?

Someone forgot their colonial history. Several states were founded as religious colonies.

https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel01.html#:~:text=The%20New%20England%20colonies%2C%20New,way%20they%20believed%20to%20be

Here's the library of congress's position:

The New England colonies, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Maryland were conceived and established "as plantations of religion." Some settlers who arrived in these areas came for secular motives--"to catch fish" as one New Englander put it--but the great majority left Europe to worship God in the way they believed to be correct. They enthusiastically supported the efforts of their leaders to create "a city on a hill" or a "holy experiment," whose success would prove that God's plan for his churches could be successfully realized in the American wilderness. Even colonies like Virginia, which were planned as commercial ventures, were led by entrepreneurs who considered themselves "militant Protestants" and who worked diligently to promote the prosperity of the church.

People forget that the 1st amendment wasn't binding on the states at the time of the founding. Many states had different established state churches that eventually were disestablished by the 1840s.

Is slavery a core American value then, too? Sounds like you are making an argument that would support such a claim.

At the time until the 1860's, sure I would agree. Slavery was considered a natural state for some peoples which had existed for 1000's of years until industrialization rendered it useless.

Religion was fundamental to the English colonies, and one would be blind to notice how the Christian religion in particular has effected US culture to this day.

Religion has always been used to control people more than any other purpose.

[Anonymous]

The data for 2023 was collected in a completely different manner than all the prior polls.

“The point here is not that the Wall Street Journal and NORC released bad data. The Journal is one of the more thoughtful media sponsors of polling and NORC is the premier survey data-collection organization in the country. Rather, the dramatically different results we see from 2019 and 2023 are because the data was collected differently. The March 2023 survey was collected via NORC’s Amerispeak, an extremely high-quality online panel. In the fine print below the chart, we can see that data from previous waves was collected via telephone survey.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The data for 2023 was collected in a completely different manner than all the prior polls.

“The point here is not that the Wall Street Journal and NORC released bad data. The Journal is one of the more thoughtful media sponsors of polling and NORC is the premier survey data-collection organization in the country. Rather, the dramatically different results we see from 2019 and 2023 are because the data was collected differently. The March 2023 survey was collected via NORC’s Amerispeak, an extremely high-quality online panel. In the fine print below the chart, we can see that data from previous waves was collected via telephone survey.”

Wow, but it makes sense. Millennials and younger folks, almost to a rule, don’t like to be bothered on the phone. The data was biased towards older folks from the beginning.

[Anonymous]

Break down of the family unit is the root of many of our problems as a country. Pretty simple to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Break down of the family unit is the root of many of our problems as a country. Pretty simple to me.

Yes so simple. Outlaw divorce and mandate babies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Break down of the family unit is the root of many of our problems as a country. Pretty simple to me.

In Scandinavian countries, nobody marries & birthrates are very low.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Break down of the family unit is the root of many of our problems as a country. Pretty simple to me.

Yes so simple. Outlaw divorce and mandate babies.

Or...don't have babies out of wedlock, and if you do, both parents need to support said child financially and emotionally.

Once you have kids, parents be parents and not best friends to your kids. Teach them right from wrong, self-respect and work ethic. Get them educated and be involved with their education (ie don't rely just on teachers to do it) and hold the kids accountable when the fail and celebrate together when they succeed.

Pretty simple for many...but not as many as it has been in generations past. And before excuses start getting thrown out about how it's much tougher now to raise kids and be a kid, there are no easy solutions in life; only trade-offs. Choose better. Candidly, this generation of kids and younger parents are terrible at their roles.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Break down of the family unit is the root of many of our problems as a country. Pretty simple to me.

Yes so simple. Outlaw divorce and mandate babies.

Or...don't have babies out of wedlock, and if you do, both parents need to support said child financially and emotionally.

Once you have kids, parents be parents and not best friends to your kids. Teach them right from wrong, self-respect and work ethic. Get them educated and be involved with their education (ie don't rely just on teachers to do it) and hold the kids accountable when the fail and celebrate together when they succeed.

Pretty simple for many...but not as many as it has been in generations past. And before excuses start getting thrown out about how it's much tougher now to raise kids and be a kid, there are no easy solutions in life; only trade-offs. Choose better. Candidly, this generation of kids and younger parents are terrible at their roles.

We don’t make laws based on what people “should,” “could” or “would” do. We make them based on how people ARE. Your behavioral prescriptions are yours only.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Break down of the family unit is the root of many of our problems as a country. Pretty simple to me.

Yes so simple. Outlaw divorce and mandate babies.

Or...don't have babies out of wedlock, and if you do, both parents need to support said child financially and emotionally.

Once you have kids, parents be parents and not best friends to your kids. Teach them right from wrong, self-respect and work ethic. Get them educated and be involved with their education (ie don't rely just on teachers to do it) and hold the kids accountable when the fail and celebrate together when they succeed.

Pretty simple for many...but not as many as it has been in generations past. And before excuses start getting thrown out about how it's much tougher now to raise kids and be a kid, there are no easy solutions in life; only trade-offs. Choose better. Candidly, this generation of kids and younger parents are terrible at their roles.

No one chooses to be born, nor do they choose who their parents are.

You’re overlooking centuries of abuse at the hands of parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Break down of the family unit is the root of many of our problems as a country. Pretty simple to me.

Yes so simple. Outlaw divorce and mandate babies.

Or...don't have babies out of wedlock, and if you do, both parents need to support said child financially and emotionally.

Once you have kids, parents be parents and not best friends to your kids. Teach them right from wrong, self-respect and work ethic. Get them educated and be involved with their education (ie don't rely just on teachers to do it) and hold the kids accountable when the fail and celebrate together when they succeed.

Pretty simple for many...but not as many as it has been in generations past. And before excuses start getting thrown out about how it's much tougher now to raise kids and be a kid, there are no easy solutions in life; only trade-offs. Choose better. Candidly, this generation of kids and younger parents are terrible at their roles.

The bolded is the advice I would give to women in 2023.