U of Chicago poll: core American values plummet, tolerance, patriotism, religion, kids, hard work

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:ICYMI: Bill Maher and members of Congress on both sides of the aisle blame Tik Tok and a disinformation and manipulation campaigns by foreign nationals.

Something has prompted Americans to skew not only negative but anti-American. Patriotism has been labeled as a bad thing. This is very troubling. Everyone should be worried.

The fact that the anti-Tik Tok discussion on the Hill enjoys bipartisan support is very chilling. Coming on the heels of a China/Russia lovefest speaks volumes about the legitimate fear our leaders have.

People watched. 9 11 cause "patriotism" to be manipulated into the illegal Iraq war to pay out to defense contractors. They watched "patriotism" be manipulated by trump and screw over the country. Patriotism was used as part of the con game and people do not like to be conned.

So let’s throw out the baby with the bath water? Um, I think that’s why we are here: far too many self-loathing Americans.

Maybe we’re just starting to associate over the top patriotism with totalitarianism. The counties that worship their militaries and their flags like the US are Iran and North Korea

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ICYMI: Bill Maher and members of Congress on both sides of the aisle blame Tik Tok and a disinformation and manipulation campaigns by foreign nationals.

Something has prompted Americans to skew not only negative but anti-American. Patriotism has been labeled as a bad thing. This is very troubling. Everyone should be worried.

The fact that the anti-Tik Tok discussion on the Hill enjoys bipartisan support is very chilling. Coming on the heels of a China/Russia lovefest speaks volumes about the legitimate fear our leaders have.

People watched. 9 11 cause "patriotism" to be manipulated into the illegal Iraq war to pay out to defense contractors. They watched "patriotism" be manipulated by trump and screw over the country. Patriotism was used as part of the con game and people do not like to be conned.

+1000. When the country doesn't actually serve the people who live here, don't be surprised that they don't feel patriotic.

It’s fascinating to me that your +1000 post could be read as one coming from the Left as well as coming from the Right, albeit for different reasons.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ICYMI: Bill Maher and members of Congress on both sides of the aisle blame Tik Tok and a disinformation and manipulation campaigns by foreign nationals.

Something has prompted Americans to skew not only negative but anti-American. Patriotism has been labeled as a bad thing. This is very troubling. Everyone should be worried.

The fact that the anti-Tik Tok discussion on the Hill enjoys bipartisan support is very chilling. Coming on the heels of a China/Russia lovefest speaks volumes about the legitimate fear our leaders have.

People watched. 9 11 cause "patriotism" to be manipulated into the illegal Iraq war to pay out to defense contractors. They watched "patriotism" be manipulated by trump and screw over the country. Patriotism was used as part of the con game and people do not like to be conned.

So let’s throw out the baby with the bath water? Um, I think that’s why we are here: far too many self-loathing Americans.

Maybe we’re just starting to associate over the top patriotism with totalitarianism. The counties that worship their militaries and their flags like the US are Iran and North Korea

Agreed.

But can you see why the all or nothing approach is dangerous? Why can’t we strike the appropriate balance? There’s a reason why we landed in this dangerously divisive place.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does the wsj realize that the 1998 word patriot and the 2023 word patriot are not the same thing?

Do you realize *why* that is? Can you connect the dots and see the weaponization of *words*?

Of course. But this survey seems to be treating them as if they mean the same thing. "Patriots" the word now includes white supremacy and insurrection. The wsj survey seems to ignore this little tidbit

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ICYMI: Bill Maher and members of Congress on both sides of the aisle blame Tik Tok and a disinformation and manipulation campaigns by foreign nationals.

Something has prompted Americans to skew not only negative but anti-American. Patriotism has been labeled as a bad thing. This is very troubling. Everyone should be worried.

The fact that the anti-Tik Tok discussion on the Hill enjoys bipartisan support is very chilling. Coming on the heels of a China/Russia lovefest speaks volumes about the legitimate fear our leaders have.

People watched. 9 11 cause "patriotism" to be manipulated into the illegal Iraq war to pay out to defense contractors. They watched "patriotism" be manipulated by trump and screw over the country. Patriotism was used as part of the con game and people do not like to be conned.

So let’s throw out the baby with the bath water? Um, I think that’s why we are here: far too many self-loathing Americans.

Maybe we’re just starting to associate over the top patriotism with totalitarianism. The counties that worship their militaries and their flags like the US are Iran and North Korea

This

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Since when is religion a core American value?

Is this a serious question? I can’t tell.

DP I’d like to know why religion would be a core American value. And which religion?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.wsj.com/articles/americans-pull-back-from-values-that-once-defined-u-s-wsj-norc-poll-finds-df8534cd

Some 38% of respondents said patriotism was very important to them, and 39% said religion was very important. That was down sharply from when the Journal first asked the question in 1998, when 70% deemed patriotism to be very important, and 62% said so of religion.
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The share of Americans who say that having children, involvement in their community and hard work are very important values has also fallen. Tolerance for others, deemed very important by 80% of Americans as recently as four years ago, has fallen to 58% since then.
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The only priority the Journal tested that has grown in importance in the past quarter-century is money, which was cited as very important by 43% in the new survey, up from 31% in 1998.
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Only 23% of adults under age 30 said that having children was very important

1998? Overturning roe had not happened. jan 6 had not happened. Trump had not happened. George Floyd had not happened. 9 11 had not happened. Iraq war had not happened.

Bush v Gore had not happened

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since when is religion a core American value?

Is this a serious question? I can’t tell.

DP I’d like to know why religion would be a core American value. And which religion?

Christianity. Read the Federalist papers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since when is religion a core American value?

Is this a serious question? I can’t tell.

DP I’d like to know why religion would be a core American value. And which religion?

Christianity. Read the Federalist papers.

The Constitution is my core value. Nothing in there establishes a national religion. Christianity has nothing to do with me and many Americans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ICYMI: Bill Maher and members of Congress on both sides of the aisle blame Tik Tok and a disinformation and manipulation campaigns by foreign nationals.

Something has prompted Americans to skew not only negative but anti-American. Patriotism has been labeled as a bad thing. This is very troubling. Everyone should be worried.

The fact that the anti-Tik Tok discussion on the Hill enjoys bipartisan support is very chilling. Coming on the heels of a China/Russia lovefest speaks volumes about the legitimate fear our leaders have.

People watched. 9 11 cause "patriotism" to be manipulated into the illegal Iraq war to pay out to defense contractors. They watched "patriotism" be manipulated by trump and screw over the country. Patriotism was used as part of the con game and people do not like to be conned.

+1000. When the country doesn't actually serve the people who live here, don't be surprised that they don't feel patriotic.

So why are all the same people that opposed the Iraq War now pushing for US involvement in the war in Ukraine (and opposing any negotiated settlement there)?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since when is religion a core American value?

Is this a serious question? I can’t tell.

DP I’d like to know why religion would be a core American value. And which religion?

Christianity. Read the Federalist papers.

The Constitution is my core value. Nothing in there establishes a national religion. Christianity has nothing to do with me and many Americans.

I agree that the founding was not particularly religious. But over the last 150 years the US has become far more religious than Europe and it has become a defining value of our country.

[Anonymous]

I’d also add that “religion” is just as important as ever, but now for many social political issues have taken the place of traditional religion. Humans evolved to be religious and it will never go away. The church of MSNBC-type issues fills the void for many. They hold their convictions and dogma as seriously as any orthodox christian or jew.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since when is religion a core American value?

Is this a serious question? I can’t tell.

DP I’d like to know why religion would be a core American value. And which religion?

Christianity. Read the Federalist papers.

The Constitution is my core value. Nothing in there establishes a national religion. Christianity has nothing to do with me and many Americans.

I agree that the founding was not particularly religious. But over the last 150 years the US has become far more religious than Europe and it has become a defining value of our country.

Not According to the poll being discussed here. When religion is used to take away long held rights from our daughters...it loses appeal...I mean really loses appeal. No more money from the women of my family will be going to support that bull crap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since when is religion a core American value?

“In God We Trust”

Sound familiar?

Dates back all the way to 1956

+1

I hate it when people don't know history.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since when is religion a core American value?

Is this a serious question? I can’t tell.

DP I’d like to know why religion would be a core American value. And which religion?

Christianity. Read the Federalist papers.

The US is explicitly not a Christian, or any religion, country.