Is it typical for elementary to group all IEP kids together in the same class

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it's very typical to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes. It's much easier to provide support that way.

This is not ok. Parents need to file complaints when they see this.

Then you better also open your checkbooks because there are only a certain amount of SPED teachers on schools budgets and they aren't able to split themselves into multiple places at once.

If its not okay to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes, what is your proposed suggestion to deliver service hours? If there are more children with IEPs than there are classes, how else can you manage? At some point, there are multiple children with IEPs in a given classroom.

Nobody is saying that there should be only 1 IEP student in each class. Why do you think anyone is saying that?

Then what is being said? Parents need to file complaints when they see this...this being a grouping of students with IEPs. What is a group then--3, 4, 5? How many students with IEPs make a group?

The title of this thread is: Is it typical for elementary to group all IEP kids together in the same class

That means if there are 20 students with IEPs, theoretically those 20 students would be grouped together in one class. Obviously, that number will be dependent on the number of students with IEPs in any given grade. Is that what "inclusion" means?

That would depend on whether there were also gen-ed students in the class, and what content is taught. I do not believe "inclusion" requires that all classrooms have an equal number of students with IEPs.

What if there are 4 classes and only 3 kids with IEPs? How do you separate them equally?

This thread is entering ridiculous territory.

Yep.
Basically, it is a common and efficient practice to put students in IEPs in one homeroom so that the SPED teacher that is assigned to that grade is able to push in to one class and keep as an inclusive setting. When schools have students with IEPs spread out in multiple classrooms they have no choice but to pull students out for specialized instruction, "excluding them" from the classroom.

Re: Parent complaints. Go ahead. You're wrong and they will go nowhere

Is it common for there to be 4 classes in a grade and only 3 children with IEPs within that grade?

No, that would be rare and would raise red flags that the school is not identifying children who need IEPs.

Ok. There are 3 kids with IEPs and 2 classes. How do you split them?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it's very typical to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes. It's much easier to provide support that way.

This is not ok. Parents need to file complaints when they see this.

Then you better also open your checkbooks because there are only a certain amount of SPED teachers on schools budgets and they aren't able to split themselves into multiple places at once.

If its not okay to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes, what is your proposed suggestion to deliver service hours? If there are more children with IEPs than there are classes, how else can you manage? At some point, there are multiple children with IEPs in a given classroom.

Nobody is saying that there should be only 1 IEP student in each class. Why do you think anyone is saying that?

Then what is being said? Parents need to file complaints when they see this...this being a grouping of students with IEPs. What is a group then--3, 4, 5? How many students with IEPs make a group?

The title of this thread is: Is it typical for elementary to group all IEP kids together in the same class

That means if there are 20 students with IEPs, theoretically those 20 students would be grouped together in one class. Obviously, that number will be dependent on the number of students with IEPs in any given grade. Is that what "inclusion" means?

That would depend on whether there were also gen-ed students in the class, and what content is taught. I do not believe "inclusion" requires that all classrooms have an equal number of students with IEPs.

What if there are 4 classes and only 3 kids with IEPs? How do you separate them equally?

This thread is entering ridiculous territory.

Yep.
Basically, it is a common and efficient practice to put students in IEPs in one homeroom so that the SPED teacher that is assigned to that grade is able to push in to one class and keep as an inclusive setting. When schools have students with IEPs spread out in multiple classrooms they have no choice but to pull students out for specialized instruction, "excluding them" from the classroom.

Re: Parent complaints. Go ahead. You're wrong and they will go nowhere

Is it common for there to be 4 classes in a grade and only 3 children with IEPs within that grade?

No, that would be rare and would raise red flags that the school is not identifying children who need IEPs.

Ok. There are 3 kids with IEPs and 2 classes. How do you split them?

It would depend on a lot of things. The content of their IEPs and their schedules and the schedules of all the kids who need to be seen by a particular RSP would be a major consideration. If there's a rationale for keeping them all in one class, a rationale based on meeting their needs, I don't believe it would be illegal to do so.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it's very typical to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes. It's much easier to provide support that way.

This is not ok. Parents need to file complaints when they see this.

Then you better also open your checkbooks because there are only a certain amount of SPED teachers on schools budgets and they aren't able to split themselves into multiple places at once.

If its not okay to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes, what is your proposed suggestion to deliver service hours? If there are more children with IEPs than there are classes, how else can you manage? At some point, there are multiple children with IEPs in a given classroom.

Nobody is saying that there should be only 1 IEP student in each class. Why do you think anyone is saying that?

Then what is being said? Parents need to file complaints when they see this...this being a grouping of students with IEPs. What is a group then--3, 4, 5? How many students with IEPs make a group?

The title of this thread is: Is it typical for elementary to group all IEP kids together in the same class

That means if there are 20 students with IEPs, theoretically those 20 students would be grouped together in one class. Obviously, that number will be dependent on the number of students with IEPs in any given grade. Is that what "inclusion" means?

That would depend on whether there were also gen-ed students in the class, and what content is taught. I do not believe "inclusion" requires that all classrooms have an equal number of students with IEPs.

What if there are 4 classes and only 3 kids with IEPs? How do you separate them equally?

This thread is entering ridiculous territory.

No, you are ridiculous. Using the issues related to delivering support for ieps for sport is despicable. Lumping kids with ieps all together in a class is wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it's very typical to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes. It's much easier to provide support that way.

This is not ok. Parents need to file complaints when they see this.

Then you better also open your checkbooks because there are only a certain amount of SPED teachers on schools budgets and they aren't able to split themselves into multiple places at once.

If its not okay to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes, what is your proposed suggestion to deliver service hours? If there are more children with IEPs than there are classes, how else can you manage? At some point, there are multiple children with IEPs in a given classroom.

Nobody is saying that there should be only 1 IEP student in each class. Why do you think anyone is saying that?

Then what is being said? Parents need to file complaints when they see this...this being a grouping of students with IEPs. What is a group then--3, 4, 5? How many students with IEPs make a group?

The title of this thread is: Is it typical for elementary to group all IEP kids together in the same class

That means if there are 20 students with IEPs, theoretically those 20 students would be grouped together in one class. Obviously, that number will be dependent on the number of students with IEPs in any given grade. Is that what "inclusion" means?

That would depend on whether there were also gen-ed students in the class, and what content is taught. I do not believe "inclusion" requires that all classrooms have an equal number of students with IEPs.

What if there are 4 classes and only 3 kids with IEPs? How do you separate them equally?

This thread is entering ridiculous territory.

No, you are ridiculous. Using the issues related to delivering support for ieps for sport is despicable. Lumping kids with ieps all together in a class is wrong.

I don't understand why you still think this. I explained on the previous page why there are logistical
Reasons to do this in order to ensure students with IEPs are in an inclusive setting while also being able to get their supports.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it's very typical to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes. It's much easier to provide support that way.

This is not ok. Parents need to file complaints when they see this.

Then you better also open your checkbooks because there are only a certain amount of SPED teachers on schools budgets and they aren't able to split themselves into multiple places at once.

If its not okay to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes, what is your proposed suggestion to deliver service hours? If there are more children with IEPs than there are classes, how else can you manage? At some point, there are multiple children with IEPs in a given classroom.

Nobody is saying that there should be only 1 IEP student in each class. Why do you think anyone is saying that?

Then what is being said? Parents need to file complaints when they see this...this being a grouping of students with IEPs. What is a group then--3, 4, 5? How many students with IEPs make a group?

The title of this thread is: Is it typical for elementary to group all IEP kids together in the same class

That means if there are 20 students with IEPs, theoretically those 20 students would be grouped together in one class. Obviously, that number will be dependent on the number of students with IEPs in any given grade. Is that what "inclusion" means?

That would depend on whether there were also gen-ed students in the class, and what content is taught. I do not believe "inclusion" requires that all classrooms have an equal number of students with IEPs.

What if there are 4 classes and only 3 kids with IEPs? How do you separate them equally?

This thread is entering ridiculous territory.

No, you are ridiculous. Using the issues related to delivering support for ieps for sport is despicable. Lumping kids with ieps all together in a class is wrong.

I don't understand why you still think this. I explained on the previous page why there are logistical
Reasons to do this in order to ensure students with IEPs are in an inclusive setting while also being able to get their supports.

15:14 poster if you are curious

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it's very typical to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes. It's much easier to provide support that way.

This is not ok. Parents need to file complaints when they see this.

Then you better also open your checkbooks because there are only a certain amount of SPED teachers on schools budgets and they aren't able to split themselves into multiple places at once.

If its not okay to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes, what is your proposed suggestion to deliver service hours? If there are more children with IEPs than there are classes, how else can you manage? At some point, there are multiple children with IEPs in a given classroom.

Nobody is saying that there should be only 1 IEP student in each class. Why do you think anyone is saying that?

Then what is being said? Parents need to file complaints when they see this...this being a grouping of students with IEPs. What is a group then--3, 4, 5? How many students with IEPs make a group?

The title of this thread is: Is it typical for elementary to group all IEP kids together in the same class

That means if there are 20 students with IEPs, theoretically those 20 students would be grouped together in one class. Obviously, that number will be dependent on the number of students with IEPs in any given grade. Is that what "inclusion" means?

That would depend on whether there were also gen-ed students in the class, and what content is taught. I do not believe "inclusion" requires that all classrooms have an equal number of students with IEPs.

What if there are 4 classes and only 3 kids with IEPs? How do you separate them equally?

This thread is entering ridiculous territory.

No, you are ridiculous. Using the issues related to delivering support for ieps for sport is despicable. Lumping kids with ieps all together in a class is wrong.

What is your solution? 1 child with an iep in every single classroom in the school?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it's very typical to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes. It's much easier to provide support that way.

This is not ok. Parents need to file complaints when they see this.

Then you better also open your checkbooks because there are only a certain amount of SPED teachers on schools budgets and they aren't able to split themselves into multiple places at once.

If its not okay to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes, what is your proposed suggestion to deliver service hours? If there are more children with IEPs than there are classes, how else can you manage? At some point, there are multiple children with IEPs in a given classroom.

Nobody is saying that there should be only 1 IEP student in each class. Why do you think anyone is saying that?

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Then what is being said? Parents need to file complaints when they see this...this being a grouping of students with IEPs. What is a group then--3, 4, 5? How many students with IEPs make a group?

The title of this thread is: Is it typical for elementary to group all IEP kids together in the same class

That means if there are 20 students with IEPs, theoretically those 20 students would be grouped together in one class. Obviously, that number will be dependent on the number of students with IEPs in any given grade. Is that what "inclusion" means?

That would depend on whether there were also gen-ed students in the class, and what content is taught. I do not believe "inclusion" requires that all classrooms have an equal number of students with IEPs.

What if there are 4 classes and only 3 kids with IEPs? How do you separate them equally?

This thread is entering ridiculous territory.

Yep.
Basically, it is a common and efficient practice to put students in IEPs in one homeroom so that the SPED teacher that is assigned to that grade is able to push in to one class and keep as an inclusive setting. When schools have students with IEPs spread out in multiple classrooms they have no choice but to pull students out for specialized instruction, "excluding them" from the classroom.

Re: Parent complaints. Go ahead. You're wrong and they will go nowhere

Is it common for there to be 4 classes in a grade and only 3 children with IEPs within that grade?

No, that would be rare and would raise red flags that the school is not identifying children who need IEPs.

Ok. There are 3 kids with IEPs and 2 classes. How do you split them?

You assess each student individually . The I in IEP is Individual. When a Principal builds the classes for the grade (since we are talking about ES here), they should place each student in the classroom with the teacher that works for that student. It may be that all three are in different rooms or all three are in the same room. When my DC was in elementary, with an IEP (for dyslexia and dysgraphia) and a flair in math and science, they were generally placed with the ES teacher that was more math/science leaning. There were three classes in each of of their grades and the students with IEPs were placed in all three homeroom classrooms every year.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it's very typical to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes. It's much easier to provide support that way.

This is not ok. Parents need to file complaints when they see this.

Then you better also open your checkbooks because there are only a certain amount of SPED teachers on schools budgets and they aren't able to split themselves into multiple places at once.

If its not okay to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes, what is your proposed suggestion to deliver service hours? If there are more children with IEPs than there are classes, how else can you manage? At some point, there are multiple children with IEPs in a given classroom.

Nobody is saying that there should be only 1 IEP student in each class. Why do you think anyone is saying that?

I

Then what is being said? Parents need to file complaints when they see this...this being a grouping of students with IEPs. What is a group then--3, 4, 5? How many students with IEPs make a group?

The title of this thread is: Is it typical for elementary to group all IEP kids together in the same class

That means if there are 20 students with IEPs, theoretically those 20 students would be grouped together in one class. Obviously, that number will be dependent on the number of students with IEPs in any given grade. Is that what "inclusion" means?

That would depend on whether there were also gen-ed students in the class, and what content is taught. I do not believe "inclusion" requires that all classrooms have an equal number of students with IEPs.

What if there are 4 classes and only 3 kids with IEPs? How do you separate them equally?

This thread is entering ridiculous territory.

Yep.
Basically, it is a common and efficient practice to put students in IEPs in one homeroom so that the SPED teacher that is assigned to that grade is able to push in to one class and keep as an inclusive setting. When schools have students with IEPs spread out in multiple classrooms they have no choice but to pull students out for specialized instruction, "excluding them" from the classroom.

Re: Parent complaints. Go ahead. You're wrong and they will go nowhere

Is it common for there to be 4 classes in a grade and only 3 children with IEPs within that grade?

No, that would be rare and would raise red flags that the school is not identifying children who need IEPs.

Ok. There are 3 kids with IEPs and 2 classes. How do you split them?

You assess each student individually . The I in IEP is Individual. When a Principal builds the classes for the grade (since we are talking about ES here), they should place each student in the classroom with the teacher that works for that student. It may be that all three are in different rooms or all three are in the same room. When my DC was in elementary, with an IEP (for dyslexia and dysgraphia) and a flair in math and science, they were generally placed with the ES teacher that was more math/science leaning. There were three classes in each of of their grades and the students with IEPs were placed in all three homeroom classrooms every year.

That just doesn’t happen in a school with 700 elementary school kids. You may think the principal did that for everyone. But they may have just been doing it for you.

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Anonymous wrote:1 person asked for whatever reason. Trust me. NO ONE cares. OP kept going on about wanting her kid away from others with IEPs because it wouldn't be good for her so I think posters were trying to ascertain what is the diagnosis that would require this?.

OP here. Feel free to quote where I said I did not want my child around other children with IEPs.

On page 3 at 20:17 you said "My concern is around concentrating the highest needs students in one classroom and how that will affect my child." Personally, I think it's fine to be concerned about that, but you have to expect that it will rub people the wrong way. Many people here are parents of students with high needs, and social and educational exclusion, stereotypes, and assumptions are a big part of our lives.

You think it's reasonable to go from "My concern is around concentrating the highest needs students in one classroom and how that will affect my child." to "OP kept going on about wanting her kid away from others with IEPs "?

I don't think that's reasonable. In fact a natural consequence of the model that I am concerned about is that the children in the other classes are being kept away from childen with IEPs.

Well, I wasn't the one accusing you of "going on about" it. But it does seem like you're concerned about something. Just trying to guess, is it that the inclusion classroom staff will be overwhelmed trying to meet the needs, or that the inclusion classroom atmosphere will be noisy and often disrupted, or... that your child might be the only child with an IEP in a non-inclusion classroom because all the other children with IEPs are in another room? I really don't know. But clearly you think something about an inclusion class model is not going to work for your child.

Have you never been concerned about your child or how well the school can serve them?

Also, you are using a term "inclusion class model" without clearly defining it. If the definition is that it is a class that includes children with IEPs and children without IEPs, then no that does not concern me. That's what I want for my child. What would concern me is if it were called an "inclusion class" but is in fact a class for children with IEPs, which is not what I could consider "inclusion". But I am new to this.

Of course I have been concerned about it. I think most people are concerned about that at least some of the time.

"Inclusion" doesn't have a firm definition that I'm aware of, you'd have to look at Maryland state law for it. But generally, an inclusion class means that some of the children have IEPs and some of them don't, and grade level content is taught (as well as other levels as needed). The children with IEPs are being *included* in a classroom that is otherwise a general education classroom and teaches to grade level standards, but there's also an additional teacher and additional staff so that everything can be managed and all services on everyone's IEP can be provided. The "10:6" program at Garrison Elementary is an example of that type of classroom.

A class for only children with IEPs and not any children without IEPs would not be called an "inclusion" class. Some schools have classrooms that are only for students with IEPs, but they usually aren't just a room for everyone with an IEP no matter what the IEP is. That would be illegal because each child is entitled to the Least Restrictive Environment (LRE) in which they can access the curriculum, and lots of children with IEPs are just fine in gen-ed classrooms with a little support. So in DCPS, there are several different types of self-contained classroom and placement depends on what is on each child's IEP. But there are also students with IEPs who are in the general education classrooms with push-in support (meaning aides or teachers who visit the classroom).

You might like to look at this DCPS summary, as an example.
https://dcps.dc.gov/page/academic-programs-and-inclusion

So theoretically if there were a class with 18 children and 14 had IEPs, while the other classes in the grade had no children with IEPs, would that be considered an "inclusion" model?

Yes, this is inclusion because the students with IEPs are still being educated with students who do not have IEPs. That is all LRE means. There is no ratio, there is no proportion, there is nothing guaranteeing students be divided in certain ways or that every class must have a student with an IEP. Whether you like the ratio or agree with the staffing does not matter. The school only has to legally prove that there are also students without IEPs also in the class. Inclusion is not transitive and does not need to apply to students without IEPs. Students without IEPs are not mandated to be educated with students who have IEPs, they can be educated with only students who do not have IEPs. So, yes, it is inclusion to have one class with a mix and three classes with none, because the one class is not only IEPs, it is a mix.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it's very typical to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes. It's much easier to provide support that way.

This is not ok. Parents need to file complaints when they see this.

Then you better also open your checkbooks because there are only a certain amount of SPED teachers on schools budgets and they aren't able to split themselves into multiple places at once.

If its not okay to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes, what is your proposed suggestion to deliver service hours? If there are more children with IEPs than there are classes, how else can you manage? At some point, there are multiple children with IEPs in a given classroom.

Nobody is saying that there should be only 1 IEP student in each class. Why do you think anyone is saying that?

I

Then what is being said? Parents need to file complaints when they see this...this being a grouping of students with IEPs. What is a group then--3, 4, 5? How many students with IEPs make a group?

The title of this thread is: Is it typical for elementary to group all IEP kids together in the same class

That means if there are 20 students with IEPs, theoretically those 20 students would be grouped together in one class. Obviously, that number will be dependent on the number of students with IEPs in any given grade. Is that what "inclusion" means?

That would depend on whether there were also gen-ed students in the class, and what content is taught. I do not believe "inclusion" requires that all classrooms have an equal number of students with IEPs.

What if there are 4 classes and only 3 kids with IEPs? How do you separate them equally?

This thread is entering ridiculous territory.

Yep.
Basically, it is a common and efficient practice to put students in IEPs in one homeroom so that the SPED teacher that is assigned to that grade is able to push in to one class and keep as an inclusive setting. When schools have students with IEPs spread out in multiple classrooms they have no choice but to pull students out for specialized instruction, "excluding them" from the classroom.

Re: Parent complaints. Go ahead. You're wrong and they will go nowhere

Is it common for there to be 4 classes in a grade and only 3 children with IEPs within that grade?

No, that would be rare and would raise red flags that the school is not identifying children who need IEPs.

Ok. There are 3 kids with IEPs and 2 classes. How do you split them?

You assess each student individually . The I in IEP is Individual. When a Principal builds the classes for the grade (since we are talking about ES here), they should place each student in the classroom with the teacher that works for that student. It may be that all three are in different rooms or all three are in the same room. When my DC was in elementary, with an IEP (for dyslexia and dysgraphia) and a flair in math and science, they were generally placed with the ES teacher that was more math/science leaning. There were three classes in each of of their grades and the students with IEPs were placed in all three homeroom classrooms every year.

That just doesn’t happen in a school with 700 elementary school kids. You may think the principal did that for everyone. But they may have just been doing it for you.

There were over 600 kids in the school and the Principal was known for building good classes. It wasn’t just us. It is somewhat of an art form, but they had developed a good way of evaluating the students based on the prior year teachers input and parents were asked to submit a paragraph about their child too.

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This is how it works. Let's say there are 70 students in the grade. About 14 kids have IEP's. They all automatically get put in one classroom regardless of the need. From serious behavioral issues to mild developmental delays. Then, they mix in a few other kids and call it an inclusive classroom. As a parent, you do not have a choice. Your child goes in that classroom as long as they have an IEP. The only way to remove your child from the classroom the next year is to remove the IEP.

We are not talking about 3 kids with IEP's. Generally, the kids are mixed between the classrooms like PP stated and the child goes with the best fit of kids/teacher. This is a good situation for kids with high needs but often the low-needs kids get ignored as the services and help are focused on the higher-needs kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it's very typical to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes. It's much easier to provide support that way.

This is not ok. Parents need to file complaints when they see this.

Then you better also open your checkbooks because there are only a certain amount of SPED teachers on schools budgets and they aren't able to split themselves into multiple places at once.

If its not okay to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes, what is your proposed suggestion to deliver service hours? If there are more children with IEPs than there are classes, how else can you manage? At some point, there are multiple children with IEPs in a given classroom.

Nobody is saying that there should be only 1 IEP student in each class. Why do you think anyone is saying that?

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Then what is being said? Parents need to file complaints when they see this...this being a grouping of students with IEPs. What is a group then--3, 4, 5? How many students with IEPs make a group?

The title of this thread is: Is it typical for elementary to group all IEP kids together in the same class

That means if there are 20 students with IEPs, theoretically those 20 students would be grouped together in one class. Obviously, that number will be dependent on the number of students with IEPs in any given grade. Is that what "inclusion" means?

That would depend on whether there were also gen-ed students in the class, and what content is taught. I do not believe "inclusion" requires that all classrooms have an equal number of students with IEPs.

What if there are 4 classes and only 3 kids with IEPs? How do you separate them equally?

This thread is entering ridiculous territory.

Yep.
Basically, it is a common and efficient practice to put students in IEPs in one homeroom so that the SPED teacher that is assigned to that grade is able to push in to one class and keep as an inclusive setting. When schools have students with IEPs spread out in multiple classrooms they have no choice but to pull students out for specialized instruction, "excluding them" from the classroom.

Re: Parent complaints. Go ahead. You're wrong and they will go nowhere

Is it common for there to be 4 classes in a grade and only 3 children with IEPs within that grade?

No, that would be rare and would raise red flags that the school is not identifying children who need IEPs.

Ok. There are 3 kids with IEPs and 2 classes. How do you split them?

You assess each student individually . The I in IEP is Individual. When a Principal builds the classes for the grade (since we are talking about ES here), they should place each student in the classroom with the teacher that works for that student. It may be that all three are in different rooms or all three are in the same room. When my DC was in elementary, with an IEP (for dyslexia and dysgraphia) and a flair in math and science, they were generally placed with the ES teacher that was more math/science leaning. There were three classes in each of of their grades and the students with IEPs were placed in all three homeroom classrooms every year.

This most likely means your child was pulled out for services, which is the opposite of inclusion. Either that or your district is resource rich beyond what is normal.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it's very typical to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes. It's much easier to provide support that way.

This is not ok. Parents need to file complaints when they see this.

Then you better also open your checkbooks because there are only a certain amount of SPED teachers on schools budgets and they aren't able to split themselves into multiple places at once.

If its not okay to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes, what is your proposed suggestion to deliver service hours? If there are more children with IEPs than there are classes, how else can you manage? At some point, there are multiple children with IEPs in a given classroom.

Nobody is saying that there should be only 1 IEP student in each class. Why do you think anyone is saying that?

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Then what is being said? Parents need to file complaints when they see this...this being a grouping of students with IEPs. What is a group then--3, 4, 5? How many students with IEPs make a group?

The title of this thread is: Is it typical for elementary to group all IEP kids together in the same class

That means if there are 20 students with IEPs, theoretically those 20 students would be grouped together in one class. Obviously, that number will be dependent on the number of students with IEPs in any given grade. Is that what "inclusion" means?

That would depend on whether there were also gen-ed students in the class, and what content is taught. I do not believe "inclusion" requires that all classrooms have an equal number of students with IEPs.

What if there are 4 classes and only 3 kids with IEPs? How do you separate them equally?

This thread is entering ridiculous territory.

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Basically, it is a common and efficient practice to put students in IEPs in one homeroom so that the SPED teacher that is assigned to that grade is able to push in to one class and keep as an inclusive setting. When schools have students with IEPs spread out in multiple classrooms they have no choice but to pull students out for specialized instruction, "excluding them" from the classroom.

Re: Parent complaints. Go ahead. You're wrong and they will go nowhere

Is it common for there to be 4 classes in a grade and only 3 children with IEPs within that grade?

No, that would be rare and would raise red flags that the school is not identifying children who need IEPs.

Ok. There are 3 kids with IEPs and 2 classes. How do you split them?

You assess each student individually . The I in IEP is Individual. When a Principal builds the classes for the grade (since we are talking about ES here), they should place each student in the classroom with the teacher that works for that student. It may be that all three are in different rooms or all three are in the same room. When my DC was in elementary, with an IEP (for dyslexia and dysgraphia) and a flair in math and science, they were generally placed with the ES teacher that was more math/science leaning. There were three classes in each of of their grades and the students with IEPs were placed in all three homeroom classrooms every year.

That just doesn’t happen in a school with 700 elementary school kids. You may think the principal did that for everyone. But they may have just been doing it for you.

There were over 600 kids in the school and the Principal was known for building good classes. It wasn’t just us. It is somewhat of an art form, but they had developed a good way of evaluating the students based on the prior year teachers input and parents were asked to submit a paragraph about their child too.

You aren't understanding. At a school like this, ALL IEP kids go to the same classroom. If you have an IEP, you go in this classroom. The only way out is to drop the IEP. When you drop the IEP, then the process you are saying happens - prior teachers and you get to submit a paragraph on what you want.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it's very typical to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes. It's much easier to provide support that way.

This is not ok. Parents need to file complaints when they see this.

Then you better also open your checkbooks because there are only a certain amount of SPED teachers on schools budgets and they aren't able to split themselves into multiple places at once.

If its not okay to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes, what is your proposed suggestion to deliver service hours? If there are more children with IEPs than there are classes, how else can you manage? At some point, there are multiple children with IEPs in a given classroom.

Nobody is saying that there should be only 1 IEP student in each class. Why do you think anyone is saying that?

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Then what is being said? Parents need to file complaints when they see this...this being a grouping of students with IEPs. What is a group then--3, 4, 5? How many students with IEPs make a group?

The title of this thread is: Is it typical for elementary to group all IEP kids together in the same class

That means if there are 20 students with IEPs, theoretically those 20 students would be grouped together in one class. Obviously, that number will be dependent on the number of students with IEPs in any given grade. Is that what "inclusion" means?

That would depend on whether there were also gen-ed students in the class, and what content is taught. I do not believe "inclusion" requires that all classrooms have an equal number of students with IEPs.

What if there are 4 classes and only 3 kids with IEPs? How do you separate them equally?

This thread is entering ridiculous territory.

Yep.
Basically, it is a common and efficient practice to put students in IEPs in one homeroom so that the SPED teacher that is assigned to that grade is able to push in to one class and keep as an inclusive setting. When schools have students with IEPs spread out in multiple classrooms they have no choice but to pull students out for specialized instruction, "excluding them" from the classroom.

Re: Parent complaints. Go ahead. You're wrong and they will go nowhere

Is it common for there to be 4 classes in a grade and only 3 children with IEPs within that grade?

No, that would be rare and would raise red flags that the school is not identifying children who need IEPs.

Ok. There are 3 kids with IEPs and 2 classes. How do you split them?

You assess each student individually . The I in IEP is Individual. When a Principal builds the classes for the grade (since we are talking about ES here), they should place each student in the classroom with the teacher that works for that student. It may be that all three are in different rooms or all three are in the same room. When my DC was in elementary, with an IEP (for dyslexia and dysgraphia) and a flair in math and science, they were generally placed with the ES teacher that was more math/science leaning. There were three classes in each of of their grades and the students with IEPs were placed in all three homeroom classrooms every year.

This most likely means your child was pulled out for services, which is the opposite of inclusion. Either that or your district is resource rich beyond what is normal.

This is what should happen. This is not what happens in other schools. We had the experience OP is talking about.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it's very typical to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes. It's much easier to provide support that way.

This is not ok. Parents need to file complaints when they see this.

Then you better also open your checkbooks because there are only a certain amount of SPED teachers on schools budgets and they aren't able to split themselves into multiple places at once.

If its not okay to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes, what is your proposed suggestion to deliver service hours? If there are more children with IEPs than there are classes, how else can you manage? At some point, there are multiple children with IEPs in a given classroom.

Nobody is saying that there should be only 1 IEP student in each class. Why do you think anyone is saying that?

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Then what is being said? Parents need to file complaints when they see this...this being a grouping of students with IEPs. What is a group then--3, 4, 5? How many students with IEPs make a group?

The title of this thread is: Is it typical for elementary to group all IEP kids together in the same class

That means if there are 20 students with IEPs, theoretically those 20 students would be grouped together in one class. Obviously, that number will be dependent on the number of students with IEPs in any given grade. Is that what "inclusion" means?

That would depend on whether there were also gen-ed students in the class, and what content is taught. I do not believe "inclusion" requires that all classrooms have an equal number of students with IEPs.

What if there are 4 classes and only 3 kids with IEPs? How do you separate them equally?

This thread is entering ridiculous territory.

Yep.
Basically, it is a common and efficient practice to put students in IEPs in one homeroom so that the SPED teacher that is assigned to that grade is able to push in to one class and keep as an inclusive setting. When schools have students with IEPs spread out in multiple classrooms they have no choice but to pull students out for specialized instruction, "excluding them" from the classroom.

Re: Parent complaints. Go ahead. You're wrong and they will go nowhere

Is it common for there to be 4 classes in a grade and only 3 children with IEPs within that grade?

No, that would be rare and would raise red flags that the school is not identifying children who need IEPs.

Ok. There are 3 kids with IEPs and 2 classes. How do you split them?

You assess each student individually . The I in IEP is Individual. When a Principal builds the classes for the grade (since we are talking about ES here), they should place each student in the classroom with the teacher that works for that student. It may be that all three are in different rooms or all three are in the same room. When my DC was in elementary, with an IEP (for dyslexia and dysgraphia) and a flair in math and science, they were generally placed with the ES teacher that was more math/science leaning. There were three classes in each of of their grades and the students with IEPs were placed in all three homeroom classrooms every year.

This most likely means your child was pulled out for services, which is the opposite of inclusion. Either that or your district is resource rich beyond what is normal.

This is what should happen. This is not what happens in other schools. We had the experience OP is talking about.

Are you saying they should or should not be pulled out?