Is it typical for elementary to group all IEP kids together in the same class

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it's very typical to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes. It's much easier to provide support that way.

This is not ok. Parents need to file complaints when they see this.

Then you better also open your checkbooks because there are only a certain amount of SPED teachers on schools budgets and they aren't able to split themselves into multiple places at once.

If its not okay to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes, what is your proposed suggestion to deliver service hours? If there are more children with IEPs than there are classes, how else can you manage? At some point, there are multiple children with IEPs in a given classroom.

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the “inclusion classroom” was the term my kids’ public used to use

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it's very typical to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes. It's much easier to provide support that way.

This is not ok. Parents need to file complaints when they see this.

Then you better also open your checkbooks because there are only a certain amount of SPED teachers on schools budgets and they aren't able to split themselves into multiple places at once.

If its not okay to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes, what is your proposed suggestion to deliver service hours? If there are more children with IEPs than there are classes, how else can you manage? At some point, there are multiple children with IEPs in a given classroom.

Nobody is saying that there should be only 1 IEP student in each class. Why do you think anyone is saying that?

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The title of this thread is Is it typical for elementary to group all IEP kids together in the same class

That means if there are 20 students with IEPs, theoretically those 20 students would be grouped together in one class. Is that what "inclusion" means?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it's very typical to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes. It's much easier to provide support that way.

This is not ok. Parents need to file complaints when they see this.

Then you better also open your checkbooks because there are only a certain amount of SPED teachers on schools budgets and they aren't able to split themselves into multiple places at once.

If its not okay to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes, what is your proposed suggestion to deliver service hours? If there are more children with IEPs than there are classes, how else can you manage? At some point, there are multiple children with IEPs in a given classroom.

Nobody is saying that there should be only 1 IEP student in each class. Why do you think anyone is saying that?

Then what is being said? Parents need to file complaints when they see this...this being a grouping of students with IEPs. What is a group then--3, 4, 5? How many students with IEPs make a group?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it's very typical to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes. It's much easier to provide support that way.

This is not ok. Parents need to file complaints when they see this.

Then you better also open your checkbooks because there are only a certain amount of SPED teachers on schools budgets and they aren't able to split themselves into multiple places at once.

If its not okay to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes, what is your proposed suggestion to deliver service hours? If there are more children with IEPs than there are classes, how else can you manage? At some point, there are multiple children with IEPs in a given classroom.

Nobody is saying that there should be only 1 IEP student in each class. Why do you think anyone is saying that?

Then what is being said? Parents need to file complaints when they see this...this being a grouping of students with IEPs. What is a group then--3, 4, 5? How many students with IEPs make a group?

The title of this thread is: Is it typical for elementary to group all IEP kids together in the same class

That means if there are 20 students with IEPs, theoretically those 20 students would be grouped together in one class. Obviously, that number will be dependent on the number of students with IEPs in any given grade. Is that what "inclusion" means?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it's very typical to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes. It's much easier to provide support that way.

This is not ok. Parents need to file complaints when they see this.

Then you better also open your checkbooks because there are only a certain amount of SPED teachers on schools budgets and they aren't able to split themselves into multiple places at once.

If its not okay to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes, what is your proposed suggestion to deliver service hours? If there are more children with IEPs than there are classes, how else can you manage? At some point, there are multiple children with IEPs in a given classroom.

Nobody is saying that there should be only 1 IEP student in each class. Why do you think anyone is saying that?

Then what is being said? Parents need to file complaints when they see this...this being a grouping of students with IEPs. What is a group then--3, 4, 5? How many students with IEPs make a group?

The title of this thread is: Is it typical for elementary to group all IEP kids together in the same class

That means if there are 20 students with IEPs, theoretically those 20 students would be grouped together in one class. Obviously, that number will be dependent on the number of students with IEPs in any given grade. Is that what "inclusion" means?

That would depend on whether there were also gen-ed students in the class, and what content is taught. I do not believe "inclusion" requires that all classrooms have an equal number of students with IEPs.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it's very typical to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes. It's much easier to provide support that way.

This is not ok. Parents need to file complaints when they see this.

Then you better also open your checkbooks because there are only a certain amount of SPED teachers on schools budgets and they aren't able to split themselves into multiple places at once.

If its not okay to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes, what is your proposed suggestion to deliver service hours? If there are more children with IEPs than there are classes, how else can you manage? At some point, there are multiple children with IEPs in a given classroom.

Nobody is saying that there should be only 1 IEP student in each class. Why do you think anyone is saying that?

Then what is being said? Parents need to file complaints when they see this...this being a grouping of students with IEPs. What is a group then--3, 4, 5? How many students with IEPs make a group?

The title of this thread is: Is it typical for elementary to group all IEP kids together in the same class

That means if there are 20 students with IEPs, theoretically those 20 students would be grouped together in one class. Obviously, that number will be dependent on the number of students with IEPs in any given grade. Is that what "inclusion" means?

That would depend on whether there were also gen-ed students in the class, and what content is taught. I do not believe "inclusion" requires that all classrooms have an equal number of students with IEPs.

What if there are 4 classes and only 3 kids with IEPs? How do you separate them equally?

This thread is entering ridiculous territory.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it's very typical to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes. It's much easier to provide support that way.

This is not ok. Parents need to file complaints when they see this.

Then you better also open your checkbooks because there are only a certain amount of SPED teachers on schools budgets and they aren't able to split themselves into multiple places at once.

If its not okay to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes, what is your proposed suggestion to deliver service hours? If there are more children with IEPs than there are classes, how else can you manage? At some point, there are multiple children with IEPs in a given classroom.

Nobody is saying that there should be only 1 IEP student in each class. Why do you think anyone is saying that?

Then what is being said? Parents need to file complaints when they see this...this being a grouping of students with IEPs. What is a group then--3, 4, 5? How many students with IEPs make a group?

The title of this thread is: Is it typical for elementary to group all IEP kids together in the same class

That means if there are 20 students with IEPs, theoretically those 20 students would be grouped together in one class. Obviously, that number will be dependent on the number of students with IEPs in any given grade. Is that what "inclusion" means?

That would depend on whether there were also gen-ed students in the class, and what content is taught. I do not believe "inclusion" requires that all classrooms have an equal number of students with IEPs.

What if there are 4 classes and only 3 kids with IEPs? How do you separate them equally?

This thread is entering ridiculous territory.

Well if there are 80 children in a grade and 3 of them have IEPs then that seems like a very low rate of children with IEPs but I am not an expert. What is a typical percentage of kids with IEPs in a general education setting?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it's very typical to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes. It's much easier to provide support that way.

This is not ok. Parents need to file complaints when they see this.

Then you better also open your checkbooks because there are only a certain amount of SPED teachers on schools budgets and they aren't able to split themselves into multiple places at once.

If its not okay to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes, what is your proposed suggestion to deliver service hours? If there are more children with IEPs than there are classes, how else can you manage? At some point, there are multiple children with IEPs in a given classroom.

Nobody is saying that there should be only 1 IEP student in each class. Why do you think anyone is saying that?

Then what is being said? Parents need to file complaints when they see this...this being a grouping of students with IEPs. What is a group then--3, 4, 5? How many students with IEPs make a group?

The title of this thread is: Is it typical for elementary to group all IEP kids together in the same class

That means if there are 20 students with IEPs, theoretically those 20 students would be grouped together in one class. Obviously, that number will be dependent on the number of students with IEPs in any given grade. Is that what "inclusion" means?

That would depend on whether there were also gen-ed students in the class, and what content is taught. I do not believe "inclusion" requires that all classrooms have an equal number of students with IEPs.

Does "inclusion" require any particular ratio? Can there be a class where 75% of students have IEPs and that is considered "inclusion"? Would you consider that to be "inclusion"?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it's very typical to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes. It's much easier to provide support that way.

This is not ok. Parents need to file complaints when they see this.

Then you better also open your checkbooks because there are only a certain amount of SPED teachers on schools budgets and they aren't able to split themselves into multiple places at once.

If its not okay to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes, what is your proposed suggestion to deliver service hours? If there are more children with IEPs than there are classes, how else can you manage? At some point, there are multiple children with IEPs in a given classroom.

Nobody is saying that there should be only 1 IEP student in each class. Why do you think anyone is saying that?

Then what is being said? Parents need to file complaints when they see this...this being a grouping of students with IEPs. What is a group then--3, 4, 5? How many students with IEPs make a group?

The title of this thread is: Is it typical for elementary to group all IEP kids together in the same class

That means if there are 20 students with IEPs, theoretically those 20 students would be grouped together in one class. Obviously, that number will be dependent on the number of students with IEPs in any given grade. Is that what "inclusion" means?

That would depend on whether there were also gen-ed students in the class, and what content is taught. I do not believe "inclusion" requires that all classrooms have an equal number of students with IEPs.

What if there are 4 classes and only 3 kids with IEPs? How do you separate them equally?

This thread is entering ridiculous territory.

Yep.
Basically, it is a common and efficient practice to put students in IEPs in one homeroom so that the SPED teacher that is assigned to that grade is able to push in to one class and keep as an inclusive setting. When schools have students with IEPs spread out in multiple classrooms they have no choice but to pull students out for specialized instruction, "excluding them" from the classroom.

Re: Parent complaints. Go ahead. You're wrong and they will go nowhere

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it's very typical to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes. It's much easier to provide support that way.

This is not ok. Parents need to file complaints when they see this.

Then you better also open your checkbooks because there are only a certain amount of SPED teachers on schools budgets and they aren't able to split themselves into multiple places at once.

If its not okay to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes, what is your proposed suggestion to deliver service hours? If there are more children with IEPs than there are classes, how else can you manage? At some point, there are multiple children with IEPs in a given classroom.

Nobody is saying that there should be only 1 IEP student in each class. Why do you think anyone is saying that?

Then what is being said? Parents need to file complaints when they see this...this being a grouping of students with IEPs. What is a group then--3, 4, 5? How many students with IEPs make a group?

The title of this thread is: Is it typical for elementary to group all IEP kids together in the same class

That means if there are 20 students with IEPs, theoretically those 20 students would be grouped together in one class. Obviously, that number will be dependent on the number of students with IEPs in any given grade. Is that what "inclusion" means?

That would depend on whether there were also gen-ed students in the class, and what content is taught. I do not believe "inclusion" requires that all classrooms have an equal number of students with IEPs.

What if there are 4 classes and only 3 kids with IEPs? How do you separate them equally?

This thread is entering ridiculous territory.

Yep.
Basically, it is a common and efficient practice to put students in IEPs in one homeroom so that the SPED teacher that is assigned to that grade is able to push in to one class and keep as an inclusive setting. When schools have students with IEPs spread out in multiple classrooms they have no choice but to pull students out for specialized instruction, "excluding them" from the classroom.

Re: Parent complaints. Go ahead. You're wrong and they will go nowhere

Is it common for there to be 4 classes in a grade and only 3 children with IEPs within that grade?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it's very typical to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes. It's much easier to provide support that way.

This is not ok. Parents need to file complaints when they see this.

Then you better also open your checkbooks because there are only a certain amount of SPED teachers on schools budgets and they aren't able to split themselves into multiple places at once.

If its not okay to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes, what is your proposed suggestion to deliver service hours? If there are more children with IEPs than there are classes, how else can you manage? At some point, there are multiple children with IEPs in a given classroom.

Nobody is saying that there should be only 1 IEP student in each class. Why do you think anyone is saying that?

Then what is being said? Parents need to file complaints when they see this...this being a grouping of students with IEPs. What is a group then--3, 4, 5? How many students with IEPs make a group?

The title of this thread is: Is it typical for elementary to group all IEP kids together in the same class

That means if there are 20 students with IEPs, theoretically those 20 students would be grouped together in one class. Obviously, that number will be dependent on the number of students with IEPs in any given grade. Is that what "inclusion" means?

That would depend on whether there were also gen-ed students in the class, and what content is taught. I do not believe "inclusion" requires that all classrooms have an equal number of students with IEPs.

Does "inclusion" require any particular ratio? Can there be a class where 75% of students have IEPs and that is considered "inclusion"? Would you consider that to be "inclusion"?

It could be, if grade level content were available. Not all IEPs relate to all subjects, and some IEPs are just a few service hours a week.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it's very typical to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes. It's much easier to provide support that way.

This is not ok. Parents need to file complaints when they see this.

Then you better also open your checkbooks because there are only a certain amount of SPED teachers on schools budgets and they aren't able to split themselves into multiple places at once.

If its not okay to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes, what is your proposed suggestion to deliver service hours? If there are more children with IEPs than there are classes, how else can you manage? At some point, there are multiple children with IEPs in a given classroom.

Nobody is saying that there should be only 1 IEP student in each class. Why do you think anyone is saying that?

Then what is being said? Parents need to file complaints when they see this...this being a grouping of students with IEPs. What is a group then--3, 4, 5? How many students with IEPs make a group?

The title of this thread is: Is it typical for elementary to group all IEP kids together in the same class

That means if there are 20 students with IEPs, theoretically those 20 students would be grouped together in one class. Obviously, that number will be dependent on the number of students with IEPs in any given grade. Is that what "inclusion" means?

That would depend on whether there were also gen-ed students in the class, and what content is taught. I do not believe "inclusion" requires that all classrooms have an equal number of students with IEPs.

What if there are 4 classes and only 3 kids with IEPs? How do you separate them equally?

This thread is entering ridiculous territory.

Yep.
Basically, it is a common and efficient practice to put students in IEPs in one homeroom so that the SPED teacher that is assigned to that grade is able to push in to one class and keep as an inclusive setting. When schools have students with IEPs spread out in multiple classrooms they have no choice but to pull students out for specialized instruction, "excluding them" from the classroom.

Re: Parent complaints. Go ahead. You're wrong and they will go nowhere

Is it common for there to be 4 classes in a grade and only 3 children with IEPs within that grade?

No, that would be rare and would raise red flags that the school is not identifying children who need IEPs.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, it's very typical to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes. It's much easier to provide support that way.

This is not ok. Parents need to file complaints when they see this.

Then you better also open your checkbooks because there are only a certain amount of SPED teachers on schools budgets and they aren't able to split themselves into multiple places at once.

If its not okay to group students with IEPs rather than spreading them across all classes, what is your proposed suggestion to deliver service hours? If there are more children with IEPs than there are classes, how else can you manage? At some point, there are multiple children with IEPs in a given classroom.

Nobody is saying that there should be only 1 IEP student in each class. Why do you think anyone is saying that?

Then what is being said? Parents need to file complaints when they see this...this being a grouping of students with IEPs. What is a group then--3, 4, 5? How many students with IEPs make a group?

The title of this thread is: Is it typical for elementary to group all IEP kids together in the same class

That means if there are 20 students with IEPs, theoretically those 20 students would be grouped together in one class. Obviously, that number will be dependent on the number of students with IEPs in any given grade. Is that what "inclusion" means?

That would depend on whether there were also gen-ed students in the class, and what content is taught. I do not believe "inclusion" requires that all classrooms have an equal number of students with IEPs.

What if there are 4 classes and only 3 kids with IEPs? How do you separate them equally?

This thread is entering ridiculous territory.

Yep.
Basically, it is a common and efficient practice to put students in IEPs in one homeroom so that the SPED teacher that is assigned to that grade is able to push in to one class and keep as an inclusive setting. When schools have students with IEPs spread out in multiple classrooms they have no choice but to pull students out for specialized instruction, "excluding them" from the classroom.

Re: Parent complaints. Go ahead. You're wrong and they will go nowhere

Is it common for there to be 4 classes in a grade and only 3 children with IEPs within that grade?

No, that would be rare and would raise red flags that the school is not identifying children who need IEPs.

So is it good faith to suggest that being concerned about grouping all IEP kids together in one class means not wanting a child to be in a class with two other children with IEPs? Or is that just a distraction from the question actually being posed?