How did the Limited Govt party become the Authoritarian party?

[Anonymous]

Americans hate each other, and have for some time now. There are absolutely no nationally unifying symbols or ideas anymore. Not Thanksgiving, not the founding fathers, not football, not the flag.

When there is that much hate, then each group will want to use governmental power against their enemies, and we see exactly that from the right and the left because they see the other side as enemies with nothing in common and not fellow Americans.

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Anonymous wrote:As far as I can tell, Rs are authoritarian when it comes to abortion and for many people that is the defining voting issue. But outside abortion, ehh...

On the other hand, when it came to covid, censorship, media suppression, fact checking, DEI, trans right over women's rights, politicization of education, the Democrats are definitely authoritarian. You just don't notice because you agree with it. The Twitter files made it clear Democratic authorities eagerly embraced state sanctioned censorship and using private enterprises to censor on behalf of the government.

Between the two parties, the Ds are certainly the far more authoritarian of the two and much more ideological in lock step. The Rs don't have the political or cultural power the Democrats do so they don't have the power to be authoritarian.

Remember MGT arguing that people moving to Georgia shouldn't be allowed to vote? Remember the bill introduced in Florida to dissolve the democratic party or the bill requiring bloggers who write about elected officials to register with the state?

Has either of those things happened?

There’s a link to one of them on the page before this one. The other one is here: https://floridapolitics.com/archives/591585-blaise-ingoglia-bill-would-cancel-democratic-party/

I meant have they been implemented?

or are they just more performances by crazy attention whores that will go nowhere

which is a separate problem in our politics and public culture

They are bills introduced by elected legislatures. If. you think this is a both sides culture things, show bill the other side has introduced

sure, here's one

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/61/text

"anyone who criticizes [stuff I will define as I like] is going to be a criminal"

Did you even read the text that you linked to? It clearly says “white supremacy ideology that motivates a crime” so not sure how you read that as anything but specific.

Sure, just go ahead and define white supremacy for me, cause for some reason I didn’t see a definition in the document, which I did read

Would you say current mainstream discourse defines “white supremacy” as a specific, clearly evil thing?

https://www.newsweek.com/smithsonian-race-guidelines-rational-thinking-hard-work-are-white-values-1518333

https://rrapp.hks.harvard.edu/the-culture-of-white-supremacy-in-organizations/

You sound like Sen. Eastland of Mississippi when he blocked a federal anti-lynching law from coming to the Senate for a vote. “Lynching is murder so it is already illegal in state law so we should trust the states to handle it.” Then Eastland suggested amendments to include “race riots” and “gang violence” in the definition of lynching.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Americans hate each other, and have for some time now. There are absolutely no nationally unifying symbols or ideas anymore. Not Thanksgiving, not the founding fathers, not football, not the flag.

When there is that much hate, then each group will want to use governmental power against their enemies, and we see exactly that from the right and the left because they see the other side as enemies with nothing in common and not fellow Americans.

Americans hate each other? Where ever would you get that idea?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Americans hate each other, and have for some time now. There are absolutely no nationally unifying symbols or ideas anymore. Not Thanksgiving, not the founding fathers, not football, not the flag.

When there is that much hate, then each group will want to use governmental power against their enemies, and we see exactly that from the right and the left because they see the other side as enemies with nothing in common and not fellow Americans.

I never used to feel this way, but yep I’m about ready to see Ya’ll Qaida get the full Nuremberg treatment. They’re killing people, they’re proud of their hate, marinating in self-victimhood, and I’m over it. People suffer all kinds of things and react differently to lack of money or education or prospects, but at the end of the day, they choose to be the way they are to other people.

If you can find me one example of where a Democrat pushed a law that actually harmed the body of a Republican, I’ll listen. But I doubt you can come up with one. This forum is filled with the ways Republicans are harming the health of people, particularly women, trans kids, and black folks.

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Anonymous wrote:As far as I can tell, Rs are authoritarian when it comes to abortion and for many people that is the defining voting issue. But outside abortion, ehh...

On the other hand, when it came to covid, censorship, media suppression, fact checking, DEI, trans right over women's rights, politicization of education, the Democrats are definitely authoritarian. You just don't notice because you agree with it. The Twitter files made it clear Democratic authorities eagerly embraced state sanctioned censorship and using private enterprises to censor on behalf of the government.

Between the two parties, the Ds are certainly the far more authoritarian of the two and much more ideological in lock step. The Rs don't have the political or cultural power the Democrats do so they don't have the power to be authoritarian.

Remember MGT arguing that people moving to Georgia shouldn't be allowed to vote? Remember the bill introduced in Florida to dissolve the democratic party or the bill requiring bloggers who write about elected officials to register with the state?

Has either of those things happened?

There’s a link to one of them on the page before this one. The other one is here: https://floridapolitics.com/archives/591585-blaise-ingoglia-bill-would-cancel-democratic-party/

I meant have they been implemented?

or are they just more performances by crazy attention whores that will go nowhere

which is a separate problem in our politics and public culture

They are bills introduced by elected legislatures. If. you think this is a both sides culture things, show bill the other side has introduced

sure, here's one

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/61/text

"anyone who criticizes [stuff I will define as I like] is going to be a criminal"

Did you even read the text that you linked to? It clearly says “white supremacy ideology that motivates a crime” so not sure how you read that as anything but specific.

Sure, just go ahead and define white supremacy for me, cause for some reason I didn’t see a definition in the document, which I did read

Would you say current mainstream discourse defines “white supremacy” as a specific, clearly evil thing?

https://www.newsweek.com/smithsonian-race-guidelines-rational-thinking-hard-work-are-white-values-1518333

https://rrapp.hks.harvard.edu/the-culture-of-white-supremacy-in-organizations/

You sound like Sen. Eastland of Mississippi when he blocked a federal anti-lynching law from coming to the Senate for a vote. “Lynching is murder so it is already illegal in state law so we should trust the states to handle it.” Then Eastland suggested amendments to include “race riots” and “gang violence” in the definition of lynching.

come on, that's silly

look at those links and tell me you think "white supremacy" still means something

if it meant "Nazis" I might feel differently

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Anonymous wrote:As far as I can tell, Rs are authoritarian when it comes to abortion and for many people that is the defining voting issue. But outside abortion, ehh...

On the other hand, when it came to covid, censorship, media suppression, fact checking, DEI, trans right over women's rights, politicization of education, the Democrats are definitely authoritarian. You just don't notice because you agree with it. The Twitter files made it clear Democratic authorities eagerly embraced state sanctioned censorship and using private enterprises to censor on behalf of the government.

Between the two parties, the Ds are certainly the far more authoritarian of the two and much more ideological in lock step. The Rs don't have the political or cultural power the Democrats do so they don't have the power to be authoritarian.

Remember MGT arguing that people moving to Georgia shouldn't be allowed to vote? Remember the bill introduced in Florida to dissolve the democratic party or the bill requiring bloggers who write about elected officials to register with the state?

Has either of those things happened?

There’s a link to one of them on the page before this one. The other one is here: https://floridapolitics.com/archives/591585-blaise-ingoglia-bill-would-cancel-democratic-party/

I meant have they been implemented?

or are they just more performances by crazy attention whores that will go nowhere

which is a separate problem in our politics and public culture

They are bills introduced by elected legislatures. If. you think this is a both sides culture things, show bill the other side has introduced

sure, here's one

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/61/text

"anyone who criticizes [stuff I will define as I like] is going to be a criminal"

Did you even read the text that you linked to? It clearly says “white supremacy ideology that motivates a crime” so not sure how you read that as anything but specific.

Sure, just go ahead and define white supremacy for me, cause for some reason I didn’t see a definition in the document, which I did read

Would you say current mainstream discourse defines “white supremacy” as a specific, clearly evil thing?

https://www.newsweek.com/smithsonian-race-guidelines-rational-thinking-hard-work-are-white-values-1518333

https://rrapp.hks.harvard.edu/the-culture-of-white-supremacy-in-organizations/

That you think Newsweek is still mainstream media is quite telling.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2022/11/04/newsweek-embraces-anti-democracy-hard-right

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m constantly amazed at how much Trump is hated, to the point where people would rather die then keep an open mind. It’s delusional!

Like....Ashli Babbit?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Americans hate each other, and have for some time now. There are absolutely no nationally unifying symbols or ideas anymore. Not Thanksgiving, not the founding fathers, not football, not the flag.

When there is that much hate, then each group will want to use governmental power against their enemies, and we see exactly that from the right and the left because they see the other side as enemies with nothing in common and not fellow Americans.

Mostly because the racist right couldn't get over losing the Civil War or having a black president. The dark times in the country have generally come at the hands of people who are haters on the right.

Thanksgiving is a vestige of white supremecy over the native americans.
Founding Fathers did some good things but still enabled humans to be enslaved in the name of god and freedom and liberty
football? I am not sure where you get that unless you are talking about Kapeernick being blackballed for being uppity
the flag, again this is politicized by the right. If someone feels that there are injustices in the country and chooses to express their concern with a silent vigil, the right finds that disrespectful. Meanwhile...

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Anonymous wrote:As far as I can tell, Rs are authoritarian when it comes to abortion and for many people that is the defining voting issue. But outside abortion, ehh...

On the other hand, when it came to covid, censorship, media suppression, fact checking, DEI, trans right over women's rights, politicization of education, the Democrats are definitely authoritarian. You just don't notice because you agree with it. The Twitter files made it clear Democratic authorities eagerly embraced state sanctioned censorship and using private enterprises to censor on behalf of the government.

Between the two parties, the Ds are certainly the far more authoritarian of the two and much more ideological in lock step. The Rs don't have the political or cultural power the Democrats do so they don't have the power to be authoritarian.

Remember MGT arguing that people moving to Georgia shouldn't be allowed to vote? Remember the bill introduced in Florida to dissolve the democratic party or the bill requiring bloggers who write about elected officials to register with the state?

Has either of those things happened?

There’s a link to one of them on the page before this one. The other one is here: https://floridapolitics.com/archives/591585-blaise-ingoglia-bill-would-cancel-democratic-party/

I meant have they been implemented?

or are they just more performances by crazy attention whores that will go nowhere

which is a separate problem in our politics and public culture

They are bills introduced by elected legislatures. If. you think this is a both sides culture things, show bill the other side has introduced

sure, here's one

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/61/text

"anyone who criticizes [stuff I will define as I like] is going to be a criminal"

Did you even read the text that you linked to? It clearly says “white supremacy ideology that motivates a crime” so not sure how you read that as anything but specific.

Sure, just go ahead and define white supremacy for me, cause for some reason I didn’t see a definition in the document, which I did read

Would you say current mainstream discourse defines “white supremacy” as a specific, clearly evil thing?

https://www.newsweek.com/smithsonian-race-guidelines-rational-thinking-hard-work-are-white-values-1518333

https://rrapp.hks.harvard.edu/the-culture-of-white-supremacy-in-organizations/

You sound like Sen. Eastland of Mississippi when he blocked a federal anti-lynching law from coming to the Senate for a vote. “Lynching is murder so it is already illegal in state law so we should trust the states to handle it.” Then Eastland suggested amendments to include “race riots” and “gang violence” in the definition of lynching.

come on, that's silly

look at those links and tell me you think "white supremacy" still means something

if it meant "Nazis" I might feel differently

Except it isn't silly, and when you label it as such, it either shows your ignorance, hate or disrespect. You are entitled to your opinion, but history happened, it was documents and it can be demonstrated. The idea is to not repeat it, and when people like you are shown comparisons with obvious parallels and it is dismissed as being silly, then you are missing the point.

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Anonymous wrote:As far as I can tell, Rs are authoritarian when it comes to abortion and for many people that is the defining voting issue. But outside abortion, ehh...

On the other hand, when it came to covid, censorship, media suppression, fact checking, DEI, trans right over women's rights, politicization of education, the Democrats are definitely authoritarian. You just don't notice because you agree with it. The Twitter files made it clear Democratic authorities eagerly embraced state sanctioned censorship and using private enterprises to censor on behalf of the government.

Between the two parties, the Ds are certainly the far more authoritarian of the two and much more ideological in lock step. The Rs don't have the political or cultural power the Democrats do so they don't have the power to be authoritarian.

Remember MGT arguing that people moving to Georgia shouldn't be allowed to vote? Remember the bill introduced in Florida to dissolve the democratic party or the bill requiring bloggers who write about elected officials to register with the state?

Has either of those things happened?

There’s a link to one of them on the page before this one. The other one is here: https://floridapolitics.com/archives/591585-blaise-ingoglia-bill-would-cancel-democratic-party/

I meant have they been implemented?

or are they just more performances by crazy attention whores that will go nowhere

which is a separate problem in our politics and public culture

They are bills introduced by elected legislatures. If. you think this is a both sides culture things, show bill the other side has introduced

sure, here's one

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/61/text

"anyone who criticizes [stuff I will define as I like] is going to be a criminal"

Did you even read the text that you linked to? It clearly says “white supremacy ideology that motivates a crime” so not sure how you read that as anything but specific.

Sure, just go ahead and define white supremacy for me, cause for some reason I didn’t see a definition in the document, which I did read

Would you say current mainstream discourse defines “white supremacy” as a specific, clearly evil thing?

https://www.newsweek.com/smithsonian-race-guidelines-rational-thinking-hard-work-are-white-values-1518333

https://rrapp.hks.harvard.edu/the-culture-of-white-supremacy-in-organizations/

Here ya go since you are so confused. Or maybe you are just trying to cloud the issue in order to avoid accountability.

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Anonymous wrote:As far as I can tell, Rs are authoritarian when it comes to abortion and for many people that is the defining voting issue. But outside abortion, ehh...

On the other hand, when it came to covid, censorship, media suppression, fact checking, DEI, trans right over women's rights, politicization of education, the Democrats are definitely authoritarian. You just don't notice because you agree with it. The Twitter files made it clear Democratic authorities eagerly embraced state sanctioned censorship and using private enterprises to censor on behalf of the government.

Between the two parties, the Ds are certainly the far more authoritarian of the two and much more ideological in lock step. The Rs don't have the political or cultural power the Democrats do so they don't have the power to be authoritarian.

Remember MGT arguing that people moving to Georgia shouldn't be allowed to vote? Remember the bill introduced in Florida to dissolve the democratic party or the bill requiring bloggers who write about elected officials to register with the state?

Has either of those things happened?

There’s a link to one of them on the page before this one. The other one is here: https://floridapolitics.com/archives/591585-blaise-ingoglia-bill-would-cancel-democratic-party/

I meant have they been implemented?

or are they just more performances by crazy attention whores that will go nowhere

which is a separate problem in our politics and public culture

They are bills introduced by elected legislatures. If. you think this is a both sides culture things, show bill the other side has introduced

sure, here's one

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/61/text

"anyone who criticizes [stuff I will define as I like] is going to be a criminal"

Did you even read the text that you linked to? It clearly says “white supremacy ideology that motivates a crime” so not sure how you read that as anything but specific.

Sure, just go ahead and define white supremacy for me, cause for some reason I didn’t see a definition in the document, which I did read

Would you say current mainstream discourse defines “white supremacy” as a specific, clearly evil thing?

https://www.newsweek.com/smithsonian-race-guidelines-rational-thinking-hard-work-are-white-values-1518333

https://rrapp.hks.harvard.edu/the-culture-of-white-supremacy-in-organizations/

That you think Newsweek is still mainstream media is quite telling.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2022/11/04/newsweek-embraces-anti-democracy-hard-right

Another silly comment

The Newsweek article simple describes what the Smithsonian put up in one of their museums. Is the Smithsonian mainstream enough for you? Don’t shoot the messenger.

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Anonymous wrote:As far as I can tell, Rs are authoritarian when it comes to abortion and for many people that is the defining voting issue. But outside abortion, ehh...

On the other hand, when it came to covid, censorship, media suppression, fact checking, DEI, trans right over women's rights, politicization of education, the Democrats are definitely authoritarian. You just don't notice because you agree with it. The Twitter files made it clear Democratic authorities eagerly embraced state sanctioned censorship and using private enterprises to censor on behalf of the government.

Between the two parties, the Ds are certainly the far more authoritarian of the two and much more ideological in lock step. The Rs don't have the political or cultural power the Democrats do so they don't have the power to be authoritarian.

Remember MGT arguing that people moving to Georgia shouldn't be allowed to vote? Remember the bill introduced in Florida to dissolve the democratic party or the bill requiring bloggers who write about elected officials to register with the state?

Has either of those things happened?

There’s a link to one of them on the page before this one. The other one is here: https://floridapolitics.com/archives/591585-blaise-ingoglia-bill-would-cancel-democratic-party/

I meant have they been implemented?

or are they just more performances by crazy attention whores that will go nowhere

which is a separate problem in our politics and public culture

They are bills introduced by elected legislatures. If. you think this is a both sides culture things, show bill the other side has introduced

sure, here's one

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/61/text

"anyone who criticizes [stuff I will define as I like] is going to be a criminal"

Did you even read the text that you linked to? It clearly says “white supremacy ideology that motivates a crime” so not sure how you read that as anything but specific.

Sure, just go ahead and define white supremacy for me, cause for some reason I didn’t see a definition in the document, which I did read

Would you say current mainstream discourse defines “white supremacy” as a specific, clearly evil thing?

https://www.newsweek.com/smithsonian-race-guidelines-rational-thinking-hard-work-are-white-values-1518333

https://rrapp.hks.harvard.edu/the-culture-of-white-supremacy-in-organizations/

You sound like Sen. Eastland of Mississippi when he blocked a federal anti-lynching law from coming to the Senate for a vote. “Lynching is murder so it is already illegal in state law so we should trust the states to handle it.” Then Eastland suggested amendments to include “race riots” and “gang violence” in the definition of lynching.

come on, that's silly

look at those links and tell me you think "white supremacy" still means something

if it meant "Nazis" I might feel differently

Except it isn't silly, and when you label it as such, it either shows your ignorance, hate or disrespect. You are entitled to your opinion, but history happened, it was documents and it can be demonstrated. The idea is to not repeat it, and when people like you are shown comparisons with obvious parallels and it is dismissed as being silly, then you are missing the point.

Your response misses the point.

Lynching is a word with a clear meaning. Thus, a law against it could actually be enforced

“White supremacy ideology” doesn’t mean anything at all. Or rather, it means too much - a crazy grab bag of cultural elements. The links I posted describe the way it’s now used in academia and the nonprofit world.

There’s no comparison between this bill and one about lynching.

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Anonymous wrote:As far as I can tell, Rs are authoritarian when it comes to abortion and for many people that is the defining voting issue. But outside abortion, ehh...

On the other hand, when it came to covid, censorship, media suppression, fact checking, DEI, trans right over women's rights, politicization of education, the Democrats are definitely authoritarian. You just don't notice because you agree with it. The Twitter files made it clear Democratic authorities eagerly embraced state sanctioned censorship and using private enterprises to censor on behalf of the government.

Between the two parties, the Ds are certainly the far more authoritarian of the two and much more ideological in lock step. The Rs don't have the political or cultural power the Democrats do so they don't have the power to be authoritarian.

Remember MGT arguing that people moving to Georgia shouldn't be allowed to vote? Remember the bill introduced in Florida to dissolve the democratic party or the bill requiring bloggers who write about elected officials to register with the state?

Has either of those things happened?

There’s a link to one of them on the page before this one. The other one is here: https://floridapolitics.com/archives/591585-blaise-ingoglia-bill-would-cancel-democratic-party/

I meant have they been implemented?

or are they just more performances by crazy attention whores that will go nowhere

which is a separate problem in our politics and public culture

They are bills introduced by elected legislatures. If. you think this is a both sides culture things, show bill the other side has introduced

sure, here's one

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/61/text

"anyone who criticizes [stuff I will define as I like] is going to be a criminal"

Did you even read the text that you linked to? It clearly says “white supremacy ideology that motivates a crime” so not sure how you read that as anything but specific.

Sure, just go ahead and define white supremacy for me, cause for some reason I didn’t see a definition in the document, which I did read

Would you say current mainstream discourse defines “white supremacy” as a specific, clearly evil thing?

https://www.newsweek.com/smithsonian-race-guidelines-rational-thinking-hard-work-are-white-values-1518333

https://rrapp.hks.harvard.edu/the-culture-of-white-supremacy-in-organizations/

That you think Newsweek is still mainstream media is quite telling.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2022/11/04/newsweek-embraces-anti-democracy-hard-right

Aren't the SLPC the kings of the left wing grifters?

The stroke outrage to raise $$$.

[Anonymous]

Former NYC health advisor admits he went to sex parties at height of COVID pandemic
September 21, 2024 - CBS News

NEW YORK — Dr. Jay Varma, New York City's former senior health advisor, admitted he ignored the COVID-19 policies he insisted New Yorkers follow during the pandemic.

A New York City Council member wants Varma investigated after he said he attended sex parties and a dance party at the height of the outbreak, even as he told New Yorkers to stay away from others to stop the spread of coronavirus.

Varma's admission came after a heavily edited video surfaced.

https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/dr-jay-varma-nyc-health-advisor-sex-parties-pandemic/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It really does boggle the mind. How did the party that strived for limited government for decades suddenly swing so far to being an authoritarian party that strives to impose its morale and political opinions onto everyone, across a spectrum of issues? And the blatant hypocrisy of demanding government stay out of their decisions and away from their bodies when it comes to their own personal beliefs, such as with vaccines, but demanding government interfere with people’s decisions and bodies when it comes to what they believe is right?

I used to be a moderate swing voter, and voted for Republicans just as much as Democrats over the years. But I just can’t vote Republican now, even though I may want their conservancy on some issues. I don’t trust them anymore not to suddenly take away rights just because that’s their own opinion, the hell with what anyone else thinks or what is democratic.

American voters just keep getting dumber and dumber. They don't even know what the foundations of the Republican and Democratic parties are. Idiots. Complete idiots everywhere among us. They will vote for any live pulse as long as they have an R or D next to their name.