How did the Limited Govt party become the Authoritarian party?

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Anonymous wrote:Remind me which political party wants every institution up to and including the federal government to have offices devoted to promoting a political ideology (DEI), along with all kinds of incoherent regulations and policies regarding same?

And which political party wants everyone to pretend that boys can turn into girls and vice versa? And will try to drum out of office or otherwise publicly shame anyone with who argues otherwise?

What’s that you were saying about authoritarians?

Neither of what you are describing is authoritarianism. It is a shame you don't understand what compassion and understanding are.

When university professors can’t get hired without signing statements affirming their ideological commitment to anti-racism in, you know, astrophysics or something - is that authoritarian yet, or still no?

When science projects can’t get funding unless they bend the knee to the same amorphous political principles - still not authoritarian?

how is agreeing not to be a racist "political"?

How would it be if all of said professors were of color, would it be ok for them to not hire asian or white colleagues because of their biases?

Those statements are absolutely not about “agreeing not to be a racist” - nice Motte & Bailey though!

Had you lived in East Germany, maybe you’d be scolding dissidents for complaining about loyalty oaths and whatnot - I mean, Communism’s just about equality! Why won’t you just say the words?

Anyway, when speech is compelled, it’s political

Have you ever worked in the corporate world? Where there are mission statements? And do staff have the ability to disregard those statements when they perform their duties?

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Anonymous wrote:Remind me which political party wants every institution up to and including the federal government to have offices devoted to promoting a political ideology (DEI), along with all kinds of incoherent regulations and policies regarding same?

And which political party wants everyone to pretend that boys can turn into girls and vice versa? And will try to drum out of office or otherwise publicly shame anyone with who argues otherwise?

What’s that you were saying about authoritarians?

Neither of what you are describing is authoritarianism. It is a shame you don't understand what compassion and understanding are.

When university professors can’t get hired without signing statements affirming their ideological commitment to anti-racism in, you know, astrophysics or something - is that authoritarian yet, or still no?

When science projects can’t get funding unless they bend the knee to the same amorphous political principles - still not authoritarian?

how is agreeing not to be a racist "political"?

How would it be if all of said professors were of color, would it be ok for them to not hire asian or white colleagues because of their biases?

Those statements are absolutely not about “agreeing not to be a racist” - nice Motte & Bailey though!

Had you lived in East Germany, maybe you’d be scolding dissidents for complaining about loyalty oaths and whatnot - I mean, Communism’s just about equality! Why won’t you just say the words?

Anyway, when speech is compelled, it’s political

Agreeing not to be racist is not the same as pledging fealty to the state. Please provide an example of what you are referring to, because what you are suggesting is not the same as authoritarianism.

Funny you mention that, because I think it's actually illegal in the US to force people to pledge fealty to the state

However, it's legal to do this sort of thing: https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/higher-ed-new-woke-loyalty-oaths-dei

And before you say harrumph, it's from Tablet, they're..... [conservative]! Yes, I tried to find coverage on the left, but man, it's hard! Anyway, there are lots of in-text citations.

A couple disquisitions on "authoritarianism": https://www.britannica.com/topic/authoritarianism, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarianism

Seems to fit the definition quite nicely - rejection of pluralism and individual agency, "Political legitimacy is based upon appeals to emotion and identification of the regime as a necessary evil to combat "easily recognizable societal problems, such as underdevelopment or insurgency" - and on an on.

You want to get the job, you want to get the promotion, well, bend the knee! And you better use the words our grifter consultants taught us so we know you're not faking! Doesn't matter if your work actually has anything to do with DEI, or if, God forbid, you think it's not the most important thing in the universe. If you want to feed your family, you better act like you do.

Does that sound like.... freedom? Or diversity?

People can get a different job or different employer. No one is forcing you to take that particular job. Boostraps and free country.

Tell that to liberal arts PhDs! World’s already got enough bartenders.

In the context of this thread, why would this statement even apply? The complaint was about physicists who were alleged to have to sign fealty to DEI or something something

Well, them too! Let's be inclusive.

Anyway, on that note, I will see your situational ethics and raise you.

Don't you worry that university DEI pledges might be sort of a back door for anti-Asian hate?

We have a lot of talented profs and researchers in the US who are of Chinese descent, and Chinese culture is racist as shit.

Shouldn't we exempt them from these pledges so we don't throw the baby out with the bathwater?

I don't want our country falling any further behind in the sciences than it already has.

Then you should be mad at the GOP who erodes public education and encourages companies to increase executive salaries and bonuses rather than invest in R&D

Sure, they suck too. What do you think of my idea about the DEI pledges?

It’s not a “DEI pledge”. It’s “how will you develop these things we want a prof to do. How will build your research team? How will you build your cohort of funders? How will you excel at teaching? How will you expand the outreach of your field so that we have more people wanting to be physicists (or whatever)? How will you fit into the universities strategic plan of increasing the number of kids coming to us from community college?” Or whatever. This is how professors are evaluated. Why wouldn’t they be? Not all of these factors will be strong in each candidate. Which is to be expected.

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Research has been so grossly centered on the white, able-bodied, hearing, cis-gendered male for so long we don't even know how to treat heart attacks in women and the maternal death rate among black women is horrifically and embarrassingly high in this country. To name just a few. THAT's what they mean. Be INCLUSIVE. No, your research that's only focused on the white able bodied hearing cis gendered male won't be allowed here, because it's inherently racist. This isn't a difficult concept.

Shouldn’t nearly all research everywhere be centered on cis gendered people? Since they’re like 99%+ of the world?

As someone with a rare but debilitating disability, I certainly hope not.

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As far as I can tell, Rs are authoritarian when it comes to abortion and for many people that is the defining voting issue. But outside abortion, ehh...

On the other hand, when it came to covid, censorship, media suppression, fact checking, DEI, trans right over women's rights, politicization of education, the Democrats are definitely authoritarian. You just don't notice because you agree with it. The Twitter files made it clear Democratic authorities eagerly embraced state sanctioned censorship and using private enterprises to censor on behalf of the government.

Between the two parties, the Ds are certainly the far more authoritarian of the two and much more ideological in lock step. The Rs don't have the political or cultural power the Democrats do so they don't have the power to be authoritarian.

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Anonymous wrote:As far as I can tell, Rs are authoritarian when it comes to abortion and for many people that is the defining voting issue. But outside abortion, ehh...

On the other hand, when it came to covid, censorship, media suppression, fact checking, DEI, trans right over women's rights, politicization of education, the Democrats are definitely authoritarian. You just don't notice because you agree with it. The Twitter files made it clear Democratic authorities eagerly embraced state sanctioned censorship and using private enterprises to censor on behalf of the government.

Between the two parties, the Ds are certainly the far more authoritarian of the two and much more ideological in lock step. The Rs don't have the political or cultural power the Democrats do so they don't have the power to be authoritarian.

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Anonymous wrote:As far as I can tell, Rs are authoritarian when it comes to abortion and for many people that is the defining voting issue. But outside abortion, ehh...

On the other hand, when it came to covid, censorship, media suppression, fact checking, DEI, trans right over women's rights, politicization of education, the Democrats are definitely authoritarian. You just don't notice because you agree with it. The Twitter files made it clear Democratic authorities eagerly embraced state sanctioned censorship and using private enterprises to censor on behalf of the government.

Between the two parties, the Ds are certainly the far more authoritarian of the two and much more ideological in lock step. The Rs don't have the political or cultural power the Democrats do so they don't have the power to be authoritarian.

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Anonymous wrote:As far as I can tell, Rs are authoritarian when it comes to abortion and for many people that is the defining voting issue. But outside abortion, ehh...

On the other hand, when it came to covid, censorship, media suppression, fact checking, DEI, trans right over women's rights, politicization of education, the Democrats are definitely authoritarian. You just don't notice because you agree with it. The Twitter files made it clear Democratic authorities eagerly embraced state sanctioned censorship and using private enterprises to censor on behalf of the government.

Between the two parties, the Ds are certainly the far more authoritarian of the two and much more ideological in lock step. The Rs don't have the political or cultural power the Democrats do so they don't have the power to be authoritarian.

You also bothered by Trump’s attempts to censor Twitter when it was attacking him or does it only bother you when a Democrat asks for a nude photo to be taken down?

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Anonymous wrote:As far as I can tell, Rs are authoritarian when it comes to abortion and for many people that is the defining voting issue. But outside abortion, ehh...

On the other hand, when it came to covid, censorship, media suppression, fact checking, DEI, trans right over women's rights, politicization of education, the Democrats are definitely authoritarian. You just don't notice because you agree with it. The Twitter files made it clear Democratic authorities eagerly embraced state sanctioned censorship and using private enterprises to censor on behalf of the government.

Between the two parties, the Ds are certainly the far more authoritarian of the two and much more ideological in lock step. The Rs don't have the political or cultural power the Democrats do so they don't have the power to be authoritarian.

Thanks Herr Goebbels. Great job.

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Anonymous wrote:As far as I can tell, Rs are authoritarian when it comes to abortion and for many people that is the defining voting issue. But outside abortion, ehh...

On the other hand, when it came to covid, censorship, media suppression, fact checking, DEI, trans right over women's rights, politicization of education, the Democrats are definitely authoritarian. You just don't notice because you agree with it. The Twitter files made it clear Democratic authorities eagerly embraced state sanctioned censorship and using private enterprises to censor on behalf of the government.

Between the two parties, the Ds are certainly the far more authoritarian of the two and much more ideological in lock step. The Rs don't have the political or cultural power the Democrats do so they don't have the power to be authoritarian.

Remember MGT arguing that people moving to Georgia shouldn't be allowed to vote? Remember the bill introduced in Florida to dissolve the democratic party or the bill requiring bloggers who write about elected officials to register with the state?

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Anonymous wrote:As far as I can tell, Rs are authoritarian when it comes to abortion and for many people that is the defining voting issue. But outside abortion, ehh...

On the other hand, when it came to covid, censorship, media suppression, fact checking, DEI, trans right over women's rights, politicization of education, the Democrats are definitely authoritarian. You just don't notice because you agree with it. The Twitter files made it clear Democratic authorities eagerly embraced state sanctioned censorship and using private enterprises to censor on behalf of the government.

Between the two parties, the Ds are certainly the far more authoritarian of the two and much more ideological in lock step. The Rs don't have the political or cultural power the Democrats do so they don't have the power to be authoritarian.

Remember MGT arguing that people moving to Georgia shouldn't be allowed to vote? Remember the bill introduced in Florida to dissolve the democratic party or the bill requiring bloggers who write about elected officials to register with the state?

Has either of those things happened?

OTOH, one thing that DID happen was that a handful of people who worked at Twitter shut down the President of the US.

So who has power, now?

I hate Trump and I danced with glee when he had his favorite toy taken away. Shame on me, if we're talking principles.

But I can still be honest and admit that the tools of true techno-authoritarianism, the 21st century flavor, are in the hands of one party and one only.

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Anonymous wrote:As far as I can tell, Rs are authoritarian when it comes to abortion and for many people that is the defining voting issue. But outside abortion, ehh...

On the other hand, when it came to covid, censorship, media suppression, fact checking, DEI, trans right over women's rights, politicization of education, the Democrats are definitely authoritarian. You just don't notice because you agree with it. The Twitter files made it clear Democratic authorities eagerly embraced state sanctioned censorship and using private enterprises to censor on behalf of the government.

Between the two parties, the Ds are certainly the far more authoritarian of the two and much more ideological in lock step. The Rs don't have the political or cultural power the Democrats do so they don't have the power to be authoritarian.

Really? So telling Disney how to operate its business to align with dear leader or banning books (and ideas) is not authoritarianism?

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Anonymous wrote:As far as I can tell, Rs are authoritarian when it comes to abortion and for many people that is the defining voting issue. But outside abortion, ehh...

On the other hand, when it came to covid, censorship, media suppression, fact checking, DEI, trans right over women's rights, politicization of education, the Democrats are definitely authoritarian. You just don't notice because you agree with it. The Twitter files made it clear Democratic authorities eagerly embraced state sanctioned censorship and using private enterprises to censor on behalf of the government.

Between the two parties, the Ds are certainly the far more authoritarian of the two and much more ideological in lock step. The Rs don't have the political or cultural power the Democrats do so they don't have the power to be authoritarian.

Remember MGT arguing that people moving to Georgia shouldn't be allowed to vote? Remember the bill introduced in Florida to dissolve the democratic party or the bill requiring bloggers who write about elected officials to register with the state?

Has either of those things happened?

OTOH, one thing that DID happen was that a handful of people who worked at Twitter shut down the President of the US.

So who has power, now?

I hate Trump and I danced with glee when he had his favorite toy taken away. Shame on me, if we're talking principles.

But I can still be honest and admit that the tools of true techno-authoritarianism, the 21st century flavor, are in the hands of one party and one only.

Twitter isn't the government. The man broke the terms of service. So you are suggesting that the president should not be bound to the private sector rules of a platform he deigns to use?

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Anonymous wrote:As far as I can tell, Rs are authoritarian when it comes to abortion and for many people that is the defining voting issue. But outside abortion, ehh...

On the other hand, when it came to covid, censorship, media suppression, fact checking, DEI, trans right over women's rights, politicization of education, the Democrats are definitely authoritarian. You just don't notice because you agree with it. The Twitter files made it clear Democratic authorities eagerly embraced state sanctioned censorship and using private enterprises to censor on behalf of the government.

Between the two parties, the Ds are certainly the far more authoritarian of the two and much more ideological in lock step. The Rs don't have the political or cultural power the Democrats do so they don't have the power to be authoritarian.

Remember MGT arguing that people moving to Georgia shouldn't be allowed to vote? Remember the bill introduced in Florida to dissolve the democratic party or the bill requiring bloggers who write about elected officials to register with the state?

Has either of those things happened?

OTOH, one thing that DID happen was that a handful of people who worked at Twitter shut down the President of the US.

So who has power, now?

I hate Trump and I danced with glee when he had his favorite toy taken away. Shame on me, if we're talking principles.

But I can still be honest and admit that the tools of true techno-authoritarianism, the 21st century flavor, are in the hands of one party and one only.

Those were bills introduced by elected figures. I guess you also want political control of corporate policies- good bye party of business

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Anonymous wrote:As far as I can tell, Rs are authoritarian when it comes to abortion and for many people that is the defining voting issue. But outside abortion, ehh...

On the other hand, when it came to covid, censorship, media suppression, fact checking, DEI, trans right over women's rights, politicization of education, the Democrats are definitely authoritarian. You just don't notice because you agree with it. The Twitter files made it clear Democratic authorities eagerly embraced state sanctioned censorship and using private enterprises to censor on behalf of the government.

Between the two parties, the Ds are certainly the far more authoritarian of the two and much more ideological in lock step. The Rs don't have the political or cultural power the Democrats do so they don't have the power to be authoritarian.

Remember MGT arguing that people moving to Georgia shouldn't be allowed to vote? Remember the bill introduced in Florida to dissolve the democratic party or the bill requiring bloggers who write about elected officials to register with the state?

Has either of those things happened?

There’s a link to one of them on the page before this one. The other one is here: https://floridapolitics.com/archives/591585-blaise-ingoglia-bill-would-cancel-democratic-party/

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Anonymous wrote:As far as I can tell, Rs are authoritarian when it comes to abortion and for many people that is the defining voting issue. But outside abortion, ehh...

On the other hand, when it came to covid, censorship, media suppression, fact checking, DEI, trans right over women's rights, politicization of education, the Democrats are definitely authoritarian. You just don't notice because you agree with it. The Twitter files made it clear Democratic authorities eagerly embraced state sanctioned censorship and using private enterprises to censor on behalf of the government.

Between the two parties, the Ds are certainly the far more authoritarian of the two and much more ideological in lock step. The Rs don't have the political or cultural power the Democrats do so they don't have the power to be authoritarian.

This is laughable. The fact that it's well written by a person who appears to be sane and educated is frightening.

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Anonymous wrote:As far as I can tell, Rs are authoritarian when it comes to abortion and for many people that is the defining voting issue. But outside abortion, ehh...

On the other hand, when it came to covid, censorship, media suppression, fact checking, DEI, trans right over women's rights, politicization of education, the Democrats are definitely authoritarian. You just don't notice because you agree with it. The Twitter files made it clear Democratic authorities eagerly embraced state sanctioned censorship and using private enterprises to censor on behalf of the government.

Between the two parties, the Ds are certainly the far more authoritarian of the two and much more ideological in lock step. The Rs don't have the political or cultural power the Democrats do so they don't have the power to be authoritarian.

Remember MGT arguing that people moving to Georgia shouldn't be allowed to vote? Remember the bill introduced in Florida to dissolve the democratic party or the bill requiring bloggers who write about elected officials to register with the state?

Has either of those things happened?

There’s a link to one of them on the page before this one. The other one is here: https://floridapolitics.com/archives/591585-blaise-ingoglia-bill-would-cancel-democratic-party/

I meant have they been implemented?

or are they just more performances by crazy attention whores that will go nowhere

which is a separate problem in our politics and public culture