Can someone explain how DeSantis ever wins?

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Anonymous wrote:WTF is wrong with DeSantis? He's exempting gas stoves from sales tax but NOT electric stoves?

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ron-desantis-likely-presidential-candidate-pushes-ban-on-florida-sales-tax-for-gas-appliances-11675287926

So electric stoves are "woke liberal bullshit" now or something? LOTS of people have electric stoves. Many of us don't have gas hookups, many of us live in apartments where there are only outlets for electric stoves.

This is complete idiocy on his part. He is absolutely deranged with these games he's playing.

First of all, he never said any of the crap you're attributing to him. It is you, in fact, who sounds completely deranged with your overwrought reaction.

Nope. You aren't paying attention. He literally passed an "anti woke" bill. He's attacking CRT and many other things and calling them out as "woke." Connect the dots. It's all part of a major theme he's pushing.

Psst: I am fully aware of everything DeSantis is doing and I support it. CRT deserves to be attacked, as do many other parts of the woke agenda.

Of course, his racist pandering is targeted to people just like you who want Blacks to shut up and stay in their place.

DP (who is a Democrat) - this is a reductive view and is a perfect example of why swing voters are turned off by progressive rhetoric. Disagreeing with the DEI/“woke” policies and orthodoxy that have been pushed over the past few years, especially in blue areas, doesn’t make someone a racist. It’s bad logic and also not a winning message.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like his actions (Eg banning dei at colleges) surely must alienate the entire Black vote, a chunk of the Hispanic and Asian American vote, all of gen z and most college Ed whites. Can someone explain how he wins on a national level with this strategy? Makes no sense to me

This article may be capturing the current zeitgeist of the American right, and that their “anti-woke” actions may have broader appeal than the American left’s progressivism: https://americanmind.org/memo/woke-revolutionaries-versus-americanists/

If the right had a truly charismatic leader to articulate its vision, I’d hazard a guess that they’d have significant electoral victories in the near term. That they don’t is keeping things competitive.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like his actions (Eg banning dei at colleges) surely must alienate the entire Black vote, a chunk of the Hispanic and Asian American vote, all of gen z and most college Ed whites. Can someone explain how he wins on a national level with this strategy? Makes no sense to me

This article may be capturing the current zeitgeist of the American right, and that their “anti-woke” actions may have broader appeal than the American left’s progressivism: https://americanmind.org/memo/woke-revolutionaries-versus-americanists/

If the right had a truly charismatic leader to articulate its vision, I’d hazard a guess that they’d have significant electoral victories in the near term. That they don’t is keeping things competitive.

"Charisma" is totally overrated when it comes to elections.

Hell, Joe Biden got elected.

[Anonymous]

The question about DEI is a good one. By 2024, the Supreme Court will most likely have invalidated race-based affirmative action in college admissions. That will have trickle down impacts on the risk-averse corporate world. At the same time, we are likely to see—correctly—reparations payments become reality in California. I imagine that the state legislature will support, and the governor will properly sign off on, payments north of $220,000, as has been proposed. This will lead to momentum in many states. DeSantis’ stance on DEI will play a role in the debate.

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"Charisma" is totally overrated when it comes to elections.

Hell, Joe Biden got elected.

Well, there was something that he had in 2020 that Hillary Clinton didn't in 2016.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The question about DEI is a good one. By 2024, the Supreme Court will most likely have invalidated race-based affirmative action in college admissions. That will have trickle down impacts on the risk-averse corporate world. At the same time, we are likely to see—correctly—reparations payments become reality in California. I imagine that the state legislature will support, and the governor will properly sign off on, payments north of $220,000, as has been proposed. This will lead to momentum in many states. DeSantis’ stance on DEI will play a role in the debate.

I am not so sure repetitions will pass in CA. Why aren’t native Americans getting repetitions first? Latinos were in CA before white settlers came. Many cities had restrictions in where Mexicans could but houses, schools were segregated in many cities -whites in one school, Mexicans in another school. Asians were horribly discriminated against in CA as well. It’s going to get ugly .

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like his actions (Eg banning dei at colleges) surely must alienate the entire Black vote, a chunk of the Hispanic and Asian American vote, all of gen z and most college Ed whites. Can someone explain how he wins on a national level with this strategy? Makes no sense to me

This article may be capturing the current zeitgeist of the American right, and that their “anti-woke” actions may have broader appeal than the American left’s progressivism: https://americanmind.org/memo/woke-revolutionaries-versus-americanists/

If the right had a truly charismatic leader to articulate its vision, I’d hazard a guess that they’d have significant electoral victories in the near term. That they don’t is keeping things competitive.

"Charisma" is totally overrated when it comes to elections.

Hell, Joe Biden got elected.

Bidenly is widely seen as nice and kind. DeSantis... doesn't have that going for him.

[Anonymous]

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"Charisma" is totally overrated when it comes to elections.

Hell, Joe Biden got elected.

Well, there was something that he had in 2020 that Hillary Clinton didn't in 2016.

Biden doesn't really have charisma, but he does come off as a nice, down to earth guy. Hillary comes off as a wooden and awful person. Kind of like DeSantis frankly.

History is littered with GOP governors who crashed and burned on the national stage, and it was often because they were really bad on camera. Scott Walker, Chris Christie, Mike Huckabee, Scott Perry, Bobby Jindal, George Pataki, Jeb Bush?

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Anonymous wrote:The question about DEI is a good one. By 2024, the Supreme Court will most likely have invalidated race-based affirmative action in college admissions. That will have trickle down impacts on the risk-averse corporate world. At the same time, we are likely to see—correctly—reparations payments become reality in California. I imagine that the state legislature will support, and the governor will properly sign off on, payments north of $220,000, as has been proposed. This will lead to momentum in many states. DeSantis’ stance on DEI will play a role in the debate.

Reparations will never go anywhere, even in California. It won't pass the courts and SCOTUS will strike it down. As the PP commented, it's race based when there's plenty of historic forms of injustices against many different people and singling one over the other is just another form of injustice. Nor is it realistic for California to be able to carry it out. If anything, if California pushes ahead with it, it makes it much more likely DeSantis will win, and in a blowout comparable to his Florida victory (where he won the Latino vote, FYI).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The question about DEI is a good one. By 2024, the Supreme Court will most likely have invalidated race-based affirmative action in college admissions. That will have trickle down impacts on the risk-averse corporate world. At the same time, we are likely to see—correctly—reparations payments become reality in California. I imagine that the state legislature will support, and the governor will properly sign off on, payments north of $220,000, as has been proposed. This will lead to momentum in many states. DeSantis’ stance on DEI will play a role in the debate.

Reparations will never go anywhere, even in California. It won't pass the courts and SCOTUS will strike it down. As the PP commented, it's race based when there's plenty of historic forms of injustices against many different people and singling one over the other is just another form of injustice. Nor is it realistic for California to be able to carry it out. If anything, if California pushes ahead with it, it makes it much more likely DeSantis will win, and in a blowout comparable to his Florida victory (where he won the Latino vote, FYI).

CA voters are not dumb. They already voted against racial discrimination through UC. No way they vote for something as farcical as "reparations"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Electoral college is heavily slanted toward states where these groups are underrepresented and where non college whites are over represented

This, 100%. Also there are the very conservative, very religious Hispanics. Also, don’t underestimate the prejudice and loathing of some Hispanics against other Hispanics; in particular on the topic of immigration.

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Anonymous wrote:WTF is wrong with DeSantis? He's exempting gas stoves from sales tax but NOT electric stoves?

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ron-desantis-likely-presidential-candidate-pushes-ban-on-florida-sales-tax-for-gas-appliances-11675287926

So electric stoves are "woke liberal bullshit" now or something? LOTS of people have electric stoves. Many of us don't have gas hookups, many of us live in apartments where there are only outlets for electric stoves.

This is complete idiocy on his part. He is absolutely deranged with these games he's playing.

First of all, he never said any of the crap you're attributing to him. It is you, in fact, who sounds completely deranged with your overwrought reaction.

Nope. You aren't paying attention. He literally passed an "anti woke" bill. He's attacking CRT and many other things and calling them out as "woke." Connect the dots. It's all part of a major theme he's pushing.

Psst: I am fully aware of everything DeSantis is doing and I support it. CRT deserves to be attacked, as do many other parts of the woke agenda.

Of course, his racist pandering is targeted to people just like you who want Blacks to shut up and stay in their place.

DP (who is a Democrat) - this is a reductive view and is a perfect example of why swing voters are turned off by progressive rhetoric. Disagreeing with the DEI/“woke” policies and orthodoxy that have been pushed over the past few years, especially in blue areas, doesn’t make someone a racist. It’s bad logic and also not a winning message.

Voters in the center, like yourself, broke clearly for DeSantis in the last FL election. His support grew from 49% to 59% in just 4 years.

The national media noticed and is busy to promote paranoia and conspiracy theories against him to prevent the same from happening countrywide.

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Anonymous wrote:I dunno if electric stoves are woke or not, but they definitely suck.

No professional chef, nor anyone serious about cooking, would willingly use an electric stove. Not unless they were forced to by law. And that coercion is the problem.

Artisanal MAGA foodie alert! #SoManly

Yes, men tend to be better chefs than women. Bold of you to acknowledge that truth here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:WTF is wrong with DeSantis? He's exempting gas stoves from sales tax but NOT electric stoves?

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ron-desantis-likely-presidential-candidate-pushes-ban-on-florida-sales-tax-for-gas-appliances-11675287926

So electric stoves are "woke liberal bullshit" now or something? LOTS of people have electric stoves. Many of us don't have gas hookups, many of us live in apartments where there are only outlets for electric stoves.

This is complete idiocy on his part. He is absolutely deranged with these games he's playing.

First of all, he never said any of the crap you're attributing to him. It is you, in fact, who sounds completely deranged with your overwrought reaction.

Nope. You aren't paying attention. He literally passed an "anti woke" bill. He's attacking CRT and many other things and calling them out as "woke." Connect the dots. It's all part of a major theme he's pushing.

Psst: I am fully aware of everything DeSantis is doing and I support it. CRT deserves to be attacked, as do many other parts of the woke agenda.

Of course, his racist pandering is targeted to people just like you who want Blacks to shut up and stay in their place.

DP (who is a Democrat) - this is a reductive view and is a perfect example of why swing voters are turned off by progressive rhetoric. Disagreeing with the DEI/“woke” policies and orthodoxy that have been pushed over the past few years, especially in blue areas, doesn’t make someone a racist. It’s bad logic and also not a winning message.

DP Please republicans woke orthodoxy is racism. Everyone knows it. Look at Reagan the patron saint of conservatism. He just appealed to the racists. Reagan launched his official campaign at a county fair just outside Philadelphia, Mississippi, the town still notorious in the national imagination for the Klan lynching of civil rights volunteers James Chaney, Andrew Goodman, and Michael Schwerner 16 years earlier. He also placed flowers on the graves of the Waffen-SS.

Some of Reagan quotes.
“If an individual wants to discriminate against Negroes or others in selling or renting his house, it is his right to do so.”
“I believe in states’ rights.”
“the South shall rise again.”
“Chicago welfare queen”
“strapping young buck.”

Reagan, who was then the governor of California, gave his opinion of the African delegates to the United Nations who voted against the United States’ position that Taiwan, rather than the People’s Republic of China, should receive U.N. recognition. “To see those, those monkeys from those African countries—damn them, they’re still uncomfortable wearing shoes!”

Lee Atwater about Reagan’s Wallace strategy

“ You start out in 1954 by saying, “N—, n—, n—.” By 1968 you can’t say “n—” -- that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states’ rights and all that stuff. You’re getting so abstract now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I’m not saying that. But I’m saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me—because obviously sitting around saying, “We want to cut taxes and we want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “N—, n—.” So anyway you look at it, race is coming on the back burner.

This is the Republican Party today. There is no difference between Trump and Reagan. People who are against “wokeness” just want to call people the n- word and be praised for it.

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DeSantis just successfully beefed up the AP African American History curriculum. Or he didn't and the College Board came to mirror his beliefs. Either way, progress was made.

The guy keeps winning in the face of hyperbolic and misleading complaints against him.

Does that say more about you folks who purposefully misunderstand him, or does it say more about his ability to get things done?