Airplane noise concerns overblown?

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Anonymous wrote:There are many areas.

These areas are affluent *now*, but there are planes. So many low flying planes. That’s why OP asked the question. The question is should I invest here? More importantly, with many choices, should I live here or there? So the point is that decision is subjective, but the facts are OBJECTIVE.

It’s not I’m not sure the traffic increased, because data says it has a lot and it is concentrated

If I were an investment advisor I’d say, invest in the areas not covered by the red lines, especially the thickest red line that blots out the entire neighborhood. Invest in the purple areas or no marking areas. (Referring to the @popville map in. the post above). I’d add, these are lovely neighborhoods with so much to recommend them so in the end it needs to be a personal choice. But please be well informed.

So why are the neighbors fighting the FAA and have unsuccessfully sued it? Because it’s not overblown. And then you come and say oh no there’s no such thing and we are one crazy real estate guy. 🤦‍♂️

Just go to McLean. When the FFA moved from river routes to Lockheeds NextGen software to shave off a few seconds by doing GPS node approaches, dense neighborhoods, schools, pools, churches, farms be damned. The kicker is they only ran “simulated” decibel tests and at low levels the hilly neighborhoods are really taking it on the chin and NE DC palisades has very low level jets by it.

bWI and other River approach cities have the same issues and protests. The jets went from following the river and that contained noise to flying most direct to the run way, to save a buck and be faster.

Real shame. But gift paid billions for next Gen and probably something asinine in a recurring basis too.

McLean lobbied not to have the nodes. MoCo did nothing- they hate Bethesda anyhow and have tons of problems, and DC is stuck too close.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We live in Chevy Chase West (just north of Somerset, pretty close to Kenwood) & the airplane noise has been far worse recently than in years past. In particular, the noise right around 6am is ridiculous for about 30-45 minutes. Absolutely functions like an alarm close. OP who's visiting the neighborhood -- make sure you get there at 545am!

I had no idea.

We live in north Chevy chase and it’s awful. Probably nowhere close to palisades, but there’s a flight path over our house 50% of days I would say. Next Gen truly is a crime against humanity.

[Anonymous]

That homestead orchard in MoCo is another node where the approaching jets turn to approach DCA. It’s higher altitude at least but nonstop.

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There is a tiny sliver of CCMD right up against the district line east of CT WOTP that is close enough to the no fly zone that it rarely gets airplane traffic. That’s where I moved around doing a very thorough scan of MoCo neighborhoods.

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I hope people keep this nonsense up so I can buy a house cheaply in Foxhall or the Palisades. I live on an actual city street now and based on having visited the Palisades I’m 100% sure it will be much quieter than where I am

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I bet you live on an actual city street 😂 and not under the flight path 😂
That’s what we always say, hey, I’ll meet you on our actual DC city street which is (what?) really loud and (what else?), not in those glorious neighborhoods of Palisades and Foxhall where there are no planes and it’s really quiet 😂 and prices should stay up not like on my actual city street

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hope people keep this nonsense up so I can buy a house cheaply in Foxhall or the Palisades. I live on an actual city street now and based on having visited the Palisades I’m 100% sure it will be much quieter than where I am

I doubt it.

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I think there is a lot of good information on this thread for people to make their own judgement calls. The first hand accounts of just how disruptive the flight path has become are frankly impossible to ignore.

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I live in Bethesda, and used to take my son to use the skateboard park at the Palisades Park. I would try to get some exercise by just walking around the park, with my headphones on listening to music. The music would be frequently interrupted by airplane noise. It bothered me, and I 'm pretty sure it would diminish the quality of life if you lived in that area. It's a shame, because it's an adorable neighborhood.

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Why do people live right near airports, under flight paths, and expect zero airport noise?

Have people become this lazy?

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Anonymous wrote:

Shocking how no one else here cares about the above issues.

Or they realize that particulate pollution is emitted by cars, trucks and buses as well as aircraft, and they all carry risks. The commenters here on DCUM are much likely to live alongside a busy road or bus route than they are alongside a runway.

That’s wrong. Those PMs are larger and disperse lower (under your airway vs. above it with push down forces). To get a similar effect you’d have to live and sleep on a major highway with all diesel vehicles, and it still wouldn’t be quite as bad.

That’s an awfully grandiose claim-- got any evidence to support it? And any evidence of the health impact on people?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why do people live right near airports, under flight paths, and expect zero airport noise?

Have people become this lazy?

Cheap, not lazy. Some of these people are willing to put a ton of effort into their NIMBY activities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Shocking how no one else here cares about the above issues.

Or they realize that particulate pollution is emitted by cars, trucks and buses as well as aircraft, and they all carry risks. The commenters here on DCUM are much likely to live alongside a busy road or bus route than they are alongside a runway.

That’s wrong. Those PMs are larger and disperse lower (under your airway vs. above it with push down forces). To get a similar effect you’d have to live and sleep on a major highway with all diesel vehicles, and it still wouldn’t be quite as bad.

That’s an awfully grandiose claim-- got any evidence to support it? And any evidence of the health impact on people?

A ton of strong evidence, some articles linked in the thread if you want to bother to look. I suspect though this is a tactic switch because the stance that it’s just a lone crazy complaining is clearly a malicious fabrication. Why would people not want the noise and potentially life-limiting pollution? Gosh, where do I start?!

The facts are, there is a serious flight path issue that in DC predominantly affects the Palisades and Foxhall neighborhoods. There is a lot to recommend these neighborhoods but the lack of planes and pollution and presence of grocery stores, it ain’t. Thankfully, we are getting a new high school!

Now that the facts are settled, there’s the subjective assessment of the noise perception, health and investment risks. As long as you are properly informed, it’s a free country, and wherever works for you. I do take an exception to being gaslit and am glad the honest neighbors are speaking up. Read the post by the MacArthur resident near the bottom of page 5 that I think is very very accurate.

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The other morning there was a steady stream of air traffic between 5 and 6 am (near Glen Echo). Usually it starts at 6am and is steady for 30-40 minutes. I was surprised it started at 5.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry to ask, but can someone other than the clearly very-bothered individual who makes all of the airplane noise posts on this forum please chip in their perspectives on airplane noise in the Cabin John, Potomac, Glen Echo, Palisades neighborhoods? I was over there today and it didn't seem that bad.

What time were you there 5:40am?